Hey there modern vegans and vegan curious.
It's Margaret, and welcome back to ModVegan.
Have you ever tried to imagine what a vegan world
would be like?
Well that's what Simon Amstell does in the new film
Carnage, which is available through the BBC iPlayer.
I recently had the privilege to sit down and watch this film,
and this is my review of it.
I first heard about this film from one of my Patreon supporters,
Wendy from the Nomadic Vegan.
And Wendy has a fantastic travel blog,
all about traveling as a vegan,
and she has a Patreon of her own,
and I'll include a link to her blog
in the description box below
so that you guys can check her out.
But anyway,
Wendy let me know about this film
and asked me if I'd had a chance to see it.
And I had not and I'm very glad that she told me about it.
Because I think it's something that vegan should see.
We don't get that many movies that are specifically about veganism.
And even more so, about vegan activism.
And this one - it's not just a film about veganism.
And it's not your typical film about veganism,
because it's a comedy.
And that is all too rare in this circle.
We don't often get to see a kind of a serious comedy
about veganism.
And it's a very funny film that kind of imagines
what if we lived in a vegan world?
And how would we get to a vegan world.
So this isn't even an alternate universe or anything,
it's based off of our society today,
and it imagines what would happen in the future
if we were vegan.
And one of the interesting things that the film makers conclude,
is that if we were to live in a vegan society in 2067,
which is where this film starts out, in 2067,
if we were vegan then, how would we feel about our past?
And that's probably something - if you are already vegan,
you've already had to answer that question.
I know that I have.
If you are vegan, you look back at your past
and you'll think to yourself, you know,
how did I ever eat animals?
How did I do that?
And it's something that's fairly natural to question if you
are vegan yourself,
but in this film, it's intended for a vegan and a non-vegan
audience.
And so, by placing this film in a world that's already vegan,
they're able to look at older people living in this world in 2067,
who grew up eating animals.
And how they might feel about their past.
And so, by looking at this film through the lens
of people living in 2067,
the filmmakers are able to answer this question in a different way.
By having those people look back on their past
and think about the time when they thought it was okay
to eat animals.
And it's almost reminiscent of listening to -
maybe people who were racists as teenagers in the 1960s
look back on their young adult years with shame,
remembering the way that they had behaved in the past.
And that's kind of what happens with the characters
in this film.
The film opens with a psychologist who specializes in these issues.
An older woman who did eat meat as a child.
And drink milk.
And the scene with her is absolutely hilarious.
Dr. Yasmine Vondenburgen is one of the most celebrated
psychotherapists in the world.
But now, she's putting her reputation on the line.
By discussing the one thing we'd all rather forget.
In her taboo busting and deeply personal book,
"The Guilt of Eating Your Brother",
Vondenburgen suggests that former carnists like her
are under threat from a new psychological sickness.
"It's still difficult to say it out loud.
I ate animals.
I ate fish.
I drank the milk from cows.
From cows!"
What's funny is that if your a vegan,
we kind of know what this feels like,
because a lot of us feel exactly that way.
So it's not that foreign to feel that it was a terrible thing
that you did in the past.
But for the non-vegan audience watching this film,
it may give them a different perspective.
Because they're being asked to look at this
through the eyes of someone who has seen things from the other side,
so to speak.
And it's very well done, it's quite amusing.
There's a scene that follows immediately afterward,
where she's leading a support group for people who used to eat meat as young people,
where they're having to name the names of cheeses
that they used to eat when they were kids and things like that.
That it's so traumatic that it took them weeks to get to this point.
It's pretty funny.
But it also points to a deeper truth.
That this is something that if it were -
if you are a vegan you probably already think it's wrong -
but if it were wrong, you might feel pretty bad about it later.
Especially depending on what you know in the future.
And so, the way that the movie goes after that opening scene,
they kind of go back in time.
And they examine the very beginnings of veganism
back with the founding of the Vegan Society,
and during the midst of rationing in World War II
and everything like that.
And they have some - I especially suppose, as a vegan,
- these days whenever I see images of people eating meat
and stuff like that, it does kind of bother me.
And I think that's one of the things that's kind of amusing in the film.
Because, if you're a meat-eater, you probably will see these scenes
and you're not going to think twice about them.
But as the film goes on, it just becomes funnier and funnier,
and it's just a very clever way of doing it.
I know in an interview Simon Amstell told an interviewer
that one of the reasons he decided to make this a comedy,
was because too often, we take these things far too seriously,
and what happens - it's not that we take it too seriously,
it's just that, when you're too preachy,
often the meaning gets obscured.
And there's no chance for people to empathize with you,
or to even empathize with the animals
before they're kind of offended right away.
So this is a very clever way of doing it,
it's a very good way of bringing people into this idea,
and helping them to see things from a different perspective.
And I really enjoyed that.
In terms of this alternate future history of veganism,
they start out with vegan celebrities in 2017s.
There's this rise of vegan celebrities.
And they even have this kind of animal rights leader.
And he's initially a member of PETA.
My favourite line in the entire film is when he's talking about how he wasn't with PETA
for very long,
because it felt like all he ever did was "pretend to die"
and "be ignored".
So you know, at those protests where demonstrators pretend that they're dying or something like
that.
And yeah, it was very amusing.
Because I think everyone knows -
whether you love PETA or whether you hate PETA,
probably everyone has kind of observed that about PETA and their demonstrations.
So, I thought that was pretty funny,
especially as a vegan that made me laugh.
I think most vegans who watch the movie would probably find that pretty amusing.
But through this civil rights/animal rights-type leader,
they definitely cast him in a very admirable light
as kind of the leader of the movement and everything.
You kind of watch his journey, watch his struggle,
and you see the change in people's attitudes.
But there are several things that really have coincided
in order to create this vegan world.
It's not just the protesters.
It's also the outbreak of a horrible disease
that happens to affect lots of people
where they realize the effect on their health of eating animals.
And it's not immediate.
This is something that takes 50 years from our current day
(because it's set in 2067).
This is a 50 year process.
So it's not something that happens terribly quickly.
And that's very important.
I think that sometimes, as animal rights activists and advocates,
and just as vegans,
we definitely hope to see a vegan world tomorrow.
You know, we all do.
We know it's not going to happen, but it's something that we hope for.
So in the film, there's all these things that happen
that might be pushing society more towards veganism.
But in the end, what makes society go vegan
is being able to hear the thoughts of the animals.
And that's what eventually makes people realize
the horrible atrocities they have been committing this entire time.
And it kind of reminds me a bit of my own children, watching this film.
Because, in the future,
children are embarrassed that their parents ever ate meat.
These people who did eat meat when they were kids
feel terrible about it and horribly guilty.
And when I see my own children, it's very interesting.
Because I've only been vegan for maybe a year and a half, or so.
But my children also have only been vegan for around a year and a half.
I would say vegetarian at least for a little bit more,
about a year and a half, and only vegan for about a year or so.
Or maybe a little bit less.
And yet, it's taken such a - it's had such a profound influence
on them.
Seeing my children and the way they go into a restaurant.
And they see people eating meat and it disturbs them.
I remember walking past a restaurant here on Steven Avenue
in Calgary, which is kind of a popular street
that is kind of a pedestrian place in the heart of the inner city.
And there's plenty of restaurants there.
And I was walking there with my children one day,
and they saw a restaurant that's in the Hudson Bay building.
And it's a higher end restaurant.
And I definitely will never be taking my children there.
They use meat kind of as a decoration.
And my kids were horrified.
They just saw it while we were walking by
and I think my older daughter saw it in the window,
and she said, "mommy, why do they have dead bodies on display?
What's wrong with them?"
And the way that they see it is so much more stark
than the way I do.
Or at least, the way that they express it
is much more clear, and much more evident than the way
that I would.
And it's very meaningful, I think,
that children would see things in this way.
That they have this uncensored view of what right and wrong are.
Even at a grocery store the other day.
Because often we'll go to those health food store type
community grocery stores.
And one of the things that my kids really don't like about those stores
is how much meat is on display.
And they simply can't stand it.
I was in one store the other day, yesterday, in fact,
with my daughter - with both my daughters.
And my older one said "I don't want to walk in that part of the store, mom."
And even though that's also where vegan protein stuff is as well,
she didn't want to go in that part of the store,
because she was like "I don't want to look at dead bodies."
And, I'm like "I kind of get that.
I understand why you might feel that way."
And so, I see how in this film,
the idea of this future generation that just sees this entirely differently -
and they way they kind of judge the previous generation -
that's fairly possible.
And if, as time goes on - and I think it will happen -
when we have more children growing up with a different view of the world -
yeah, it's likely that they're not going to think that well of us.
And it's certainly interesting to see my children's - just
honesty about the things that they see.
And their disappointment in the way that people behave.
And their questions about how people can do the things that they do.
I think it's something that as you grow older,
you sometimes - you get lulled into that.
And it's something that is mentioned in the film.
There was this idea, in the past( this is the psychologist speaking)
but she talked about how this was sold to them as dinner,
that they weren't thinking about the slavery and the murder
and everything like that.
That they were thinking about it as food.
And that's part of the problem,
and I think this film illustrates that very well.
And it illustrates it humorously.
And I just - I did enjoy it.
It's available here on YouTube right now.
You can find a link to it.
That link will probably be taken down,
so I'll just put a link - you can look for it here on YouTube,
and if you happen to be in the UK,
look for it on the BBC iPlayer.
And I'm sure it's going to be available through iTunes
and stuff like that very soon.
But it was a very entertaining film.
My kudos to Simon Amstell for directing this fantastic film.
I really enjoyed it.
There were some great performances in the film,
and it was quite a joy to watch.
And I think it might be even for people who aren't vegan.
Because it was rather amusing.
Some of the images that they have of future protest
remind me quite a bit of some of the stuff
that Direct Action Everywhere does,
with the putting flowers in front of butcher stops and things like that.
And it's interesting,
because the film kind of shows that as if it were the kind of new wave of activism.
Which I think would be nice,
because it's something that I would like to talk about
in the future, but I'm very interested in creative,
non-violent vegan education and activism
that relies less on shock so much,
and more trying to help people to empathize with the beings
that we share this planet with.
And I feel like there's a great deal of value in that,
and I think that's a large part of what this film does.
It just gives you an entirely different way of looking at things.
It shocks you, it makes you laugh,
and it also causes you to empathize with animals
perhaps in a way that you may not have before.
So anyway,
I strongly recommend it.
It was a lot of fun,
and so nice to see a vegan film,
and especially a vegan comedy.
It may be a first.
If any of you know of another feature length vegan comedy,
let me know, because I'm not sure if I've seen one.
But this one was great,
and I especially enjoyed all of the commentary in it.
Some of the commentary was very well written and very clever -
super enjoyable.
So if you get the chance,
do watch it.
I want to thank you all so much for watching.
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