Listening on iheartradio, hey Jordan you're on the air with Congressman Pocan.
Hey Thom and Congressman Pocan thanks for taking my call
Congressman I think you were a little disingenuous with the last caller
about the opposing going away of the small business tax deduction that's not
a part of the bill and I don't I mean for you not to call her out and let her
know that that's not an issue is disingenuous. Yeah Jordan so I think what
I said and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear is there is not a bill right now there
are two separate bills so there has to be a conference committees what they
voted on this week so we don't know what the final bill will be what there is in
the Senate bill and there's been a few articles about loopholes about around
the carried I'm sorry not the carried interest but the provisions that
people like Ron Johnson from Wisconsin the pass through income provisions that
are gonna probably encourage people to reorganize to do that because there are
loopholes so I didn't address it because there's not a final bill yet
Jordan I think it's disingenuous is to say this is in the House bill or this is
in the Senate bill because we don't know what's in the final bill yet now one
could I was also yeah, I'm sorry go ahead. We've also had a bunch of truckers
call into the show over the last week apparently this has just got the
trucking channel on Sirius XM you know on fire that there are provisions that
change the way that if you are not incorporated but you are functionally a
contractor which is the case for many over the whole over the long haul you
know over the road truckers the trucking companies don't actually call them
employees they 1099 them and so those people take tax deductions for all their
expenses when they're on the road their fuel taxes their meals lodging and
things like that and apparently this bill is written so badly or maybe it was
intentional that it's gonna screw those truckers and of course it's not just
truckers but they're they're the ones who are seeing it first you know I
think about that yeah I don't know specifically in that provision but I
know there are a number of things that they did write sloppily because they did
this in such haste that they're gonna for sure have to
address so one other thing I was going to mention though to Jordan's question
is the one scenario that you could see happen although I think the
likelihood is like at five or ten percent chance is that if the House just
really wants to get this done and Paul Ryan really does want to get
this done if they just voted for the Senate version instead of you know doing
a full conference because there are going to be a lot of difficult things to
work out that could be a scenario that we have discussed but I don't find it
very likely the problem is right now because there are two different versions
unless there's something that's in common in both and even then it could
still change through a conference committee I don't know if I can say
exactly what you know is going to be in the final bill and what we're looking
for so we have to kind of take everything into consideration as we make
the calls on this right. Russell in Here
Hills Illinois you're on the air with
Congressman Pocan. Nice to talk to you
how's this playing in your whole state I mean like your governor is up for
re-election you know Paul Ryan Tammy Baldwin the net
cuz I tell you how are they feeling about this yeah they've ready to turn
over a new House and Senate because you come down Oi this guy who wrote the
Builder Goldstein rusting he's got ten people already lined up to run against
them and our governor's just getting slammed on this because he's a
Republican they figure doesn't lose three seats in the house here and there
how's it playing in your state. Russell you know I think in Wisconsin
one you know this is just bad for their brand at the end of the day if they do a
tax cut bill that you know really only cuts taxes for the wealthiest and the
middle class wind up you know in some cases paying more and in some cases down
the road going to be paying for what they've added to the deficit I think
it's going to hurt the overall brand specifically though Paul Ryan is the
author of the House version of the bill and he has Randy Bryce and Kathy Meyers
in a primary right now running against him Randy has
you know I think got the momentum at this point and most likely to be the
nominee and running a very good strong race so you know we have seen across the
country in many places Paul Ryan's numbers are lower than Donald Trump's
numbers people get this he's slightly higher in Wisconsin but that is a
reality so I think what we're gonna find is you know people will pay a price
especially in Paul Ryan's district you know my hometown is in there Kenosha
14,000 people used to make cars no one does today
Janesville his hometown 10,000 people until just not that many years ago made
cars no one does today they already aren't happy with the
economy and how it's treating them and this tax bill certainly does them no
favors and I think you're gonna see some real ramifications and that's what we're
seeing in the generic ballot on House races across the country Dave and
Armstrong Creek Wisconsin you're on the air the congressman Pocan
all right Tom hi commerce congressman Pocan I'm glad to hear you're feeling
better thank you Dave yeah my question is when you guys put together a budget
proposal do you free plan funding for disaster relief like you know the
inevitably if we're gonna have more hurricanes and wildfires and stuff like
that and who knows we're due for an earthquake I mean do you guys have the
money set aside for that or how does that work
there's always a small amount or a small but on amount that's put out there but
then obviously when something happens that's when we come back and then we put
in additional funds and sometimes the question is where does that money come
from and that becomes part of the fight but you know obviously we can't predict
for example this year the Hurricanes went way beyond any funds that were
previously available therefore we had to supplement with some serious money and
quite honestly we probably have to do more yet to make sure that we're helping
people who are in need across the country so yes there's some accounting
for dollars for emergencies but certainly not enough to cover what
happened this year Jeff in Fort Dodge Iowa you're on the air with congressman
Pocan thank you happy holidays
I'm concerned that every time we do is tax bills or anything it always hurts
our seniors and our elderly so badly and the mainstream media will not talk about
this at all how do we get the word out to our
seniors and our elderly about what this is going to do to them
and I think it's the strongest voting bloc that we have is our seniors and our
elderly and they just don't know about what's to happen to them if you guys
could explain that for those for these seniors and how do we get that word out
yeah and if I could add a question to that congressman sure if if I Benny when
the reason I were going through the airport security the you know to fly out
here the guy was checking the expiration date on everybody's driver's license and
once again I was thinking okay you can't fly if your driver's license is expired
and you can't vote if your driver's license is expired how did you lose
citizenship just because your driver's license expired this this it seems like
we need a piece of legislation that doesn't automatically disenfranchise
elderly people and it seems like this is part of the Republicans grand strategy
to get all those older people in Florida who always reliably vote Democratic to
no longer be able to vote not just for all over the country yeah and I think
you know and what you're seeing is a bit of a newer development right on some of
the ID stuff and how it's happened I mean III think just the point I would
really stress because a lot you know to get lost in the weeds of some of the
provisions because there are many different parts of the provisions and
because we don't have a single bill yet because there's provisions in the house
and there's provisions in the Senate that in many cases are different the one
thing that we can point to is the very spoken comments of people like Lindsey
Graham and Marco Rubio and others who've said things like we're gonna have to
next go after Social Security and Medicare I mean it's very obvious if
they balloon the deficit by either a trillion or a trillion and a half like
we're seeing with these bills they're gonna have to come up with it somewhere
and if the comments of the people who are promoting
this legislation is that's where they're going we have to make sure people
understand that because the the vast majority of the public does not support
cuts to Medicare or Social Security it's it's what we've paid into our entire
lives and that's the benefit you get when you are retired or you need it in
the case of Medicare and Social Security we need to make sure people understand
that's the same comments of the people passing this bill
it's just part two there's a part one and a part two to this overall plan and
I think we have to really stress those very comments of the policymakers
promoting the legislation do we have we were about a minute out from the break
here do we have any sense of exactly how they're gonna do I you know it's like
with with Bill Clinton quote ending welfare as we know it they sort of
backed him into a corner you know with the hole on the one hand you know we've
got to clean this up we got you know their welfare queens schtick and on the
other hand you know gee bill you got to pass a balanced budget it was you know
stage two of the two Stanek laws theory and he went along with it
and I don't mean this as a hit on Bill Clinton at all I mean this is just how
well the Republicans do this kind of stuff and even set Democrats up to to
shoot Santa Claus or shoot themselves in the foot do we have any sense of you
know when and how this sales pitch is coming you know they haven't shown that
much of a card yet because right now they're just desperately trying to get
this done passed the must pass CR even if it is for two weeks and then for a
few more weeks at a time because you know they're just really having a a
difficult divide and there their own caucus between the defense Hawks and the
tea party and in in funding but I think because we've seen the comments that
this is where they're going and we know the history of every budget that Paul
Ryan introduced in the house you know it's pretty obvious and I think the
biggest change I've seen is that they are far more brazen they don't try to
sugarcoat things anymore they think they can just get these things done and then
you know Donald Trump will talk about fake news and then you can't believe
what actually happened you can't believe the facts so I worry that you know they
are so brazen and so desperate to get all this done while they're still in
charge you know you may see a sped-up in
different process than you would normally see done in politics
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