Aloha this is Martina Wing live from Hawaii talking about
Manta Rays. It's Wednesday 11 a.m. I'm back here talking about my true
passion these Manta Rays. Of course I have two Manta Rays here to show you.
As you know we have abundance of Manta Rays here that I see along the Kona Coast and thanks
for being here. I always like to share my knowledge and
my imagery that we accumulated over all these years on Wednesdays.
Let's dive right into this. Where are we we? We are in Hawaii. We're on
the Big Island. This is where I live. I live here in Kailua Kona. I've been diving with
the Manta Rays for about 19 years. I dive with them and film them. This has been the
biggest part that I've done all of these years. I snorkel guide, dive master, and I educate about them.
This is just my thing. Tara is back super (FB live)
Thanks for being here. For many years here on the island
we've had an incredible population of Manta Rays.
which they have learned to come to dive sites. We have people doing night dives here.
At the night dive it accumulates plankton from the lights, then the Manta Rays show
up in abundance. Well sometimes one manta, sometimes more.
We have these two dive sites here that I regularly talk about, the airport location and Keauhou.
If there's something you'd like to learn more,
then check out the other Facebook lives we have done. Today, I will talk about something
that is called the healing powers of Manta Rays.
I have two really cool examples.
These two Manta Rays where you will see
how they went through injuries,
man-made injuries in this case. Then how they actually were able to heal themselves
and what's the time frame in for the injuries - for the
manta rays to recover. For that I prepared a few things for you I'm going
to switch the camera around so flip the camera so you can see better and let me
do this very quick and I keep talking here we go
The healing powers of manta rays. I'm going to switch back one
time in-between these video clips I'm going to show you because I also have props
on it on the other end but so bear with me that I'm going to switch over two times
today but let's dive right into it and talk first about Melainah Ray
and then later on I talk about Hans Ray. Lets go to the next slide is
this one. This video clip is normal swimming behavior I
want to establish first how manta rays look like when they swim or how they behave
when they come to us during the night dives with the lights accumulated the mantas
just enjoy the abundance of food and quite often they do this barrel rolls or
rolling in front of us or just go in figure eights
come pretty close to lights because the light is where the food is. This
is the footage of normal behavior. This was on February 15th. I just
want to play this one more time.
I want to establish real quick
this is was February 15, 2011, Melainah Ray was fine doing good and
there was no injury on her and she was doing her barrel rolls. Now I want to
switch to the next footage and we are at ten days later and unfortunately this is
going to be a little bit cruel for you but this is the real thing this is
how Melainah Ray was injured and you see a very deep gash
on her wing. I show you this footage definitely for
how behavior has changed. Now check out how slow she swims, she still around my
lights. These are bright lights and there should be food but
she's not feeding. Her mouth is closed and she's trying to maneuver as
usually does but if you ask me I think there's something off. She is not only
visually injured but I believe that she feels pain and she knows she cannot
move. She wants to move normally but she just cannot.
This was the entry question do manta rays feel pain and I
think I made my case right away that yes mantas feel pain and when you see
normal behavior to how she moves now . She's trying to make it
work like animals do you know they keep going but she's definitely behaving
differently. This is the end of the clip I want to go to the next
picture and I have some close-ups of these
injuries, not pretty but brace yourself but that's the way it goes.
Here's the injury on how right-wing, pretty deep. The question is always how does
that happen. I'm gonna get to the see in a second then the next one is a picture
on the same night so we took the pictures on the same night February 25th.
More of a close-up same night and
you can see. Gene Lafferty is here. Gene, how are you doing, thanks for coming
today. The injury is very red and then
the next one image I want to show you is how deep it is and how wide the wing
is. Here you can see really bad injury. We can cannot say
that any differently. Now we're going to jump a little bit about seven days
later. Thanks for the shaka Gene. Thank you. March 3rd so it's about seven
days later I'm not sure if that was a leap year or not but in six, seven days
later.You can see it's still super red nothing has really has changed for her
behavior wise she was just still going slowly around us but she showed up. I
mean this is a good sign she was still around the campfire these lights
that we put out and maybe you see a little bit of healing here around the
wound. Now I'm jumping to the end of the month and nice surprise check this
out. How the wound is healed up just around here, the depth, of course
it didn't heal back together it just stays the same depth of it but
definitely the wound is healing so this took now four weeks since the original
injury. Finally I'm jumping to six months later to
September and you cannot see no redness anymore. The depth of the wound is there
but there's no redness to it. The pictures were all taken at the same
time, September 9th and that's how she looks like today, six years later. She's
still going strong. We don't see her as we used to do. In the years 2012, 2013 and 2014
we saw a lot at night but in the last few years, the last two years we haven't
seen as much. She changed her behavior and where she feeds these days.
I'm going to switch over quick. I want to show you what maybe could have
caused this. Let me just flip over. Thank you
I have some props here and want to show you some fishing line that we've taken
of manta rays. This is a pretty thin line. I don't think that was
the cause for the injury. This is one of the lines we had. I do believe that this
all was man-made stuff. Carrie is here too.
Thank You Carrie. I see you tomorrow night, can't wait!
The next prop is a little thicker fishing line you know like goes
like this and this is all stuff we've taken out of mantas over the years.
Now this line is a little thicker, who knows. I don't think it was the
injury from Melainah but just give you an idea what these mantas have to deal
with. There is one more, that's a small one but just check out how much line we
have here. I think that's incredible. This is from line when the
fishermen come from shore, throw their hooks in and then the manta
gets hooked. It takes off and then the line just throws out.
I don't really know what happened to Melainah but I want to show
you a hook that we took out . This came off Vicki Ray. This was
an incredible encounter. I have footage of that too but I didn't
I'm not gonna play it today. For Melainah Ray maybe it was more of a
fishing line just really going in and cutting it through. Maybe it was
propeller. We don't know. We don't really know. I just wanted to give you some props
and what it could have been. We are still discussing
what happened to Melainah. Michelle is here too. It's quite a party today. I like
it. Thank you. Thanks for being here. This was all about Melainah Ray
and how she got injured and how she healed up and I have another example
for you I'm gonna switch back over to the footage. This is the next manta ray,
and his name is Hans and we have some footage of Hans Ray. That's July 11th
2014. This was the first night we saw him and you will see here on his cephalic
fin. Something is really wrong and behavior-wise he used to be
like all the other mantas, just swim around but in this case he's really
jerking around and on the outskirts. He doesn't want to come close and is
not happy. It's making a loop into the divesite and then
immediately goes back out. I was diving that night and I didn't see him
again. Lucky for us he came back the next night. The next clip
is July 13th, two nights later and several dive masters tried to
rescue him. There was Jordan Davis
and Jeff Millisen.
I filmed Jeff when he takes the hook out of him. Hans Ray comes in and he thinks
he wants to feed, that's for sure and here Jeff is going to reach out and takes the hook
out that had cut down his cephalic fin so badly. He was gentle, a super
rescue from Jeff and you can see the hook was not too big but so much damage
to the animal. I want to play that again for you. Its cool how he gently
removes the hook. Good job Jeff! We've rescued many manta
rays over the years, obviously with all the lines but this was definitely a good
gentle approach. I'm very proud of our community to always do the right thing
and trying to fix things for these animals.
That's July 13 and the next clip is the same night
after the hook came out, Hans Ray came close to my camera.
Another cool picture but do you see how damaged this cephalic fin is, see how
deep the gash is here. The cephalic fin has almost no use to it anymore.
The right left side is okay, the other side is just deeply cut down.
I'm going to show you that again, how deep it cut because I have a really
nice surprise for you with the next clip. I am trying to make this a happy
ending and also look at the back of his body. There was fishing line wrapped
around him with some damage on
the bottom right here. Now we're going to September
and September 18th. You won't believe what you will see, this is the same manta ray and look
at his cephalic fin. It actually healed back together! To me
this was just unbelievable how you would have to look for this area here. This is
what was injured, also the back healed back together.
From July August September, it's in a two month period
he healed up this much. His cephalic fin is not totally usable but
the healing part of this I think is
incredible. If you all agree give me a thumbs up or something like it.
I want to show you the good news here again this manta is lucky that
it had these healing powers and I think I rest my case.
I do believe manta rays feel pain, it behaves differently and all the years
I've seen this when they came in to the divesite with the hooks. They were always
like "We don't like it". Melainah Ray recovered, it took about six months to
be fully recovered and Hans Ray healed in about two or three months.
I think this is pretty cool stuff and I love "my" mantas and I know you
love them too!. Anyways I'm going to switch back over. I think that's it for my
presentation.
That's my case "Do mantas feel pain". I do believe they feel pain,
check out the footage if you started a little bit later into the into this
Facebook live and thanks for being here. If you want to watch the recap of
course as this is all good stuff to watch. When I prepared for this Facebook live I
wanted to talk about the mantas' healing powers and Michelle created
my outline you know, I have to be structured and that's
what my teacher Tracy tells me all the time but then she came up with how do
mantas heal people? I mean I could make another Facebook live and bring you
many many stories but I do believe when you see mantas in their natural
environment there's so much that goes on in you (including myself).
I did it the very first time in 1998, it was a very sad chapter of my life. I
saw these manta rays and something clicked in my head but I do not want to
talk about me tonight, I want to show you this email.
Her name is Elica and she came out in September. She snorkeled with the
manta rays here, I took her out with Michelle and Elica sent me a long
email how profound and touching it was for her. I thought it was
very interesting and I will share with you a few words from her where she
said the Moonlight Manta with Martina and Michelle and the mantas were definitely
a highlight of our trip. We have many people saying seeing mantas at
night it's the highlight of that trip. Elica works in Silicon Valley she has
a startup company and we talked about it briefly and she was really nervous at
night when we went out but she enjoyed it so much. She was glowing
like everybody actually glows but she stuck out because of this email.
She knows that she needs to connect back to nature. She said Silicon Valley
and this environment is so competitive and just trying to be
compassionate to these people, even in business you can be compassionate and be
fair. But Silicon Valley doesn't really have that environment and so
she's so happy that she came to Hawaii she knew that she wanted to rest here and
recover and refuel but seeing the mantas gave a push and she
actually ends this email that maybe they can move to Hawaii. Silicon Valley is
just a temporary home for her, maybe she one day she comes to Hawaii and can
settle here and I do wish that. I do wish that many people have the ability to at
least come to Hawaii and see what's going on and maybe change their behavior
and be more compassionate for animals and to each other.
It's what the world needs and I know Carrie did it before Tara did it
before. Gene, Michelle, you've all seen the manta rays before. Leave a comment down
below and tell us in a few words how profound it was and changed your life
seeing the manta rays in their natural environment. That's my call to action
for today. If you have good stories to share with us, if you've seen
mantas before, if you want to see them, leave a comment in the comment section
give me a Facebook like and I love to connect with everybody. This is my
story for today I see you again next week Wednesday. Thanks Gene. Thanks, big
Mahalo. Mahalo by the way for everybody who doesn't know that means
thank you in Hawaiian and I appreciate that as well. I see you again next week give me a
like give me a share, talk about mantas and how they touched your life and see you
later. Thank you so much! bye-bye!
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