speaking of gurus so one of the things that has been a central theme it seems
like though of your connection to others is the fact that that connection though
involves service to others and it seems as though this is a message of many
individuals who I don't know if you want to use the word guru or other
terminology of people who others look to as a GPS but it seems as though there is
always a centrality of a recognition of our oneness and from that a recognition
that our life is one of service if there is a there's a certain contradiction in
the question in the sense if there is oneness maybe the question of service
now I'm asking aren't you if you get to do something for your children do you
feel that you've done a great service do you know it's a privilege that you have
the opportunity to do this but if you happen to do something for that urging
who is on the street was helpless suddenly it becomes service or in other
words when your heart is bereft of love you can do service if you have love in
your heart you can never do enough in this life to handle not enough this is
the experience of every human being whether you are in love with one person
or whatever even if you're in love with one person when you really in love with
one person these two hands are not enough how much ever you do it's not
enough isn't it when there is no line you keep accounts of all the things that
you do and it's a service and if you do a lot of service you will create such an
unrealistic expectation about people that in really it will lead to
frustration activity when you if you really see suppose your little finger is
rotting up if you attend to this is the service if you have experience the
oneness of the existence there would be no such thing as service it would be
just expending yourself to do whatever you can do is a natural process in our
lives if we do not do what we cannot do that's not an issue but if we do not do
what we can do we are a disastrous life
whatever we can do must happen and we as a generation of people are in a unique
space for the first time for the very first time in the history of humanity
even 25 years ago this would not be possible for the very first time we have
the necessary resource capability and technology to address every human
problem on the planet the only thing that is missing is inclusiveness in the
way we are experiencing ourselves if there is a more inclusive experience of
yourself and the rest every other life on this planet we are capable of
offering solutions to everything for the first time in the history of humanity
the question is are we going to just sit on the threshold and die or are we gonna
cross it this is the big question I want to see that we as a generation of people
do not become a way in generation that we will do things that we can do what we
cannot do it's fine
in some ways this brings up though the issue of has has been quoted eighty-five
people I have more resources in terms of financial capability from 3.5 billion
people which is extraordinary anak certainly in the United States we've
seen this ever-widening divergence between the haves and the have-nots and
while I think we would all agree that within ourselves we have the capability
to change or the potential but why don't we have that or why does not so many
people sing we have this intent in fact as we were discussing sometimes having
more makes individuals want more not to give more see whatever 2 to 5% of the
population holding or 80% of the world's wealth that's what is I don't know if
that's density is perfect but so many of that one thing is we can see it is a
great problem when I see it as a great possibility now you have to change only
2% of the population to transform the world they need not because because they
don't show up because we have developed this in the world right from the time of
Marx you know Karl Marx and talking about he's not supposed to talk about
him in the valley but I am talking about him he might have known a lot of it
about economics but he doesn't know much about human nature he predicted that the
richest countries in the world will take to communism just the reverse happen
wherever the poorest populations are there they are the ones who fly the red
flag even today yes so four is talking about communism means
those who have nothing to share want to share those who have something to share
become cautious about this whole thing naturally if I have a lot and I say I
want to share it with you who will suspect me
I got nothing and I'm talking about sharing this is dangerous policy so we
need to change the equation it is not for those who do not have to talk about
sharing because what little they have they're not willing to share
they're expecting somebody else who have a lot to share what little they have
they cannot share so the transformation to bring about a transformation in the
world we are in a better place than ever before because the wealth is accumulated
in 5% of the population the power has accumulated in the hands of 25 to 30
people on the popular in the world if you transform this 25 30 people the
world will change that is not that doesn't look like an impossible thing
but if you tell me you're gonna make 7.2 billion people meditate tomorrow morning
I will say that's a hopeless goal but we want to make 2% of the world to meditate
an experience life in a larger way than the way they're experiencing right now
it is for sure a possibility isn't it
let us Sarah Palin say good luck with that one
well yes I certainly appreciate that example but you know if we were compared
it to a nut the have-nots have a very thin shell sometimes and are more open
to have their shell cracked because they have nothing to lose
while the perception is among these people I would suggest you they have an
extraordinarily thick shell and sometimes even an atom bomb doesn't seem
able to crack that she'll so well that may think of 2% of the nuts
I have I have had the you know the opportunity and the privilege to be
among those 2% of the people in the Economic Forum's and various other you
know business situations and what I found is at least 90% 80% of them let me
be critical 80% of them are fantastic human beings it is just that there is a
structure to climb and suddenly asking them to break the structure is not
practical and it's not going to work there may be about 15% or maximum 20
percent of the people are super arrogant about what they have accumulated but the
rest of them I have always found it's a pleasure to talk to them because they're
brilliant people they're not successful for nothing they're brilliant people and
believe me it is not love it is not compassion it's not other things which
is going to change this world it's just cents we just have to have
sensible human beings sense is what needs to be Kindle if you're sensible
you understand the only way that all of us can live well the only way we can
exist in a certain way on this planet is by doing certain things
this sense is easy to bring into people who have a certain level of intelligence
naturally and they have exercised this intelligence to accumulate because that
is how we have structured the society everybody is trying to accumulate but
now we are talking against people who have managed to do it we have not
created a social structure where it's of a different nature the social structure
right from the school is how to be better than the guy who's standing next
to you so those who are successful we should not resent that ever it's very
important it is important the success is acknowledged it is just that we want to
make success more universal not so narrow there is a saying in the African
law when the lion feeds everybody gets to eat because it doesn't eat everything
okay he eats select parts rest others eat
anyways so similarly this whole economic engine that we have created is of a
certain kind where human consciousness is not shaping the Commerce Commerce is
shaping the human consciousness this is a topsy-turvy way of creating the world
we are bound to pay a huge price for this it is like if we succeed we will
fail that's our situation there is a there's a proverb in India about a
classic situation like this where a man is sitting on the wrong end of the
branch and cutting the branch when he succeeds he will fail that is the kind
of economic model that we have created if it really succeeds if all the seven
billion people become super successful that means the end of the world yes so
now we have to have the courage that we have come this far we have to have the
courage to dismantle something that is successful and remodel this but we will
wait for it to fail and then remodel it which
a silly way of doing things we must have the courage to change the model of how
we have constructed this world when it's humming with success do we have the
wisdom and the courage and the consciousness to do this that's a
question but for that to happen we don't have to change seven billion people on
the planet if we change the consciousness and the mindset of a
hundred people on the planet it can happen easily I'm not saying it's easy
or not it is a possibility between the possibility and the reality there is
always a distance to walk do we have the commitment and the courage to walk the
distance that's all the question is well I think that question I mean they're
there but now I want to tell you a successful story of this it's about
eleven years ago a few responsible people in India came to one of our
programs in the center then they saw the projects in the works and whatever we
were doing and then they said so true this is great but what about the nation
I said say I don't have to go and do everything in the nation that's not
practical but we can do this I have a list of 2000 people who can make a
difference for this country they're in different levels of leadership I am NOT
talking about Prime Minister Chief Minister they come and go in five years
but there is another set of leadership which stays there for 25 to 30 years in
position if you transform these 2000 people you will see the country will
change they said 2,000 people well I can get
all of them he said I said get them just get them to me for four days well we
don't in batches in four years are five years they said they will do it now it's
almost 11 years we have touched about 45 to 46% of them and quietly they're
transforming the country no question about it
there is no fireworks happening but transformation is like this when the
flower blossoms there is no band being beaten
it just happens quietly and it is for sure happening believe me I'm hands-on
in touch with these people in many different levels have they changed
everything no I'm saying if 10% of the way the
thing can feel about everybody around them changes there is a huge change and
they're definitely doing it so these are business leaders bureaucratic leaders
various people a different set up they hold responsible positions for 25 to 30
years in the life of that nation and that's making a big difference let maybe
trying to context that example but again getting back to the 85 people who are
not bound to a country or tradition or a connection perhaps to any particular
philosophy and I think as we've seen in this country and it has been reality
shown by economists this idea of
creating situations where the wealthy the extremely wealthy are able to make
10 10 20 30 40 % on their money every year fundamentally because they have
access that no one else has and allows them to accumulate more and continue
this separation and then we talk about trickle-down economics which there's not
one example that has ever worked and it's like the example so far and again
I'm not against transformation I'm just talking about at least reality that I've
seen we are we have very seldom if ever the same despots dictators or people in
high levels of power voluntarily give up that power I'm not at it this is the
whole thing see when it is spoken from outside they feel threatened and they
will only tighten their fortresses that's why I brought in the example of
my he thought the ritual Dueck but the poor
wanted and it never worked it's a great idea but gone bad
because you're trying to work it from the wrong end if Mark had marks had
devices to transform the consciousness of the welding and then he talks about
communism that would have been the most fantastic thing okay but now you're
going on the street and those who have nothing are talking about sharing now it
becomes ugly now this whatever this eighty five people that we're talking
about kept me ten of them just one weekend I will see that they transform
the remaining 75 and I'm not somebody who lives in some dream state I am very
much grounded I know this may look very looking at the world the realities of
the world I understand very much where you coming from
it's not that I have not faced that situation every day I am against the
wall okay but a wall is not an impossible thing a wall need not be
broken you can always have the skill to climb across or you can make the other
guy climb across I have frequently been asked to speak at Aspen and typically
it's associated with having an event with affluent people and and sometimes
in those situations I feel like somebody in the zoo you know they brought this
particular animal out to look because that's a favorite animal that week so I
got invited to an event following a talk at an individual's house and I would
suggest you that this home which was only 30,000 square feet probably was
worth a significant amount of money in that air
and the gentleman who was hosting it was in his 80s and he was a survivor of the
Nazis and as a teenager and had become an extraordinarily successful
businessman and when you walk into his home there is probably a painting that's
12 feet high of him standing with his skis with the mountain behind him and
I'm sure that there's no ego involved there and then he proceeds to have a
conversation with me and I'm not quite sure because I wasn't particularly
important but he has a conversation with me and in the conversation he points to
his watch he says see this watch my custom million dollars so he said
there's only ten in the world this I can show you my garage it's a ten-car garage
there's ten million dollars boy who escaped the concentration camp he's
bound to have these things you should excuse him for the story appreciate your
comment so as part of this conversation he's having with me he says you know in
my entire life I have never felt loved or have been able to give love which is
horrible right here this man who nominally has everything has nothing so
I talking to him and it turns out he's divorced and he has children who are
there actually and I have two conversations for a while I say if you
meet with me for one hour day for the next ten days I will change your entire
outlook on life and you will have love I guarantee it just like the Men's
Wearhouse guy
so do not just so you know his first question is how much will it cost so I
say well then this match worth around a billion dollars I say it will cost you
$100,000 in an hour but I guarantee it he looks at me for a little bit he says
how about 50 ok so then his daughter overhears this conversation and she says
Papa you should do it she goes in fact this is his daughter she said I would
give up my entire inheritance to see you happy because I've never seen him happy
in my entire life you know his responses you don't
understand the value of money and that's how our conversation ended this is uh
I'm not sure if I could have done it two hours
now I could have died for free and for any of you out there I will do it I'll
try we need to we need to come to terms with this today all of you are here in
United States of America enjoying the comforts that you are enjoying with a
lot of complaints of course not understanding at least materially you
are living in the best possible space that you can live in okay and this is
all happened because you chose a certain model of economic policy this policy of
capitalism was a sensible thing to choose when you only thought of your
nationalistic way of existence when you saw the rest of the world as a source
for your whatever that system will not work in future it may work for another
25 years after that it will not work we have to reject this whole thing but
first of all you must decide whether you want a market economy like this or you
want socialism or communism you must decide if you go for market economy
some people will race ahead if you want to resent them then you must go for
communism if you go for communism some people will tell you what to eat what to
wear where to sit where not to sit if that's ok with you
it's fine I'm saying you cannot choose to go in this direction and long to go
in this direction every system will have its negativities but I am saying right
now because we're talking about transforming the world by transforming
an individual human being I think it's a tremendous possibility right now that
the wealth is concentrated in a few individuals hands if you transform them
every human being is willing to transform if you approach him properly
for a man who values money so much whoever the person that you were talking
about because he's come up you can understand the guy boy a little a young
boy who has kept concentration camp and who came to a new place you know in the
really a new world literally and built his life he thinks in a certain way he's
added up from pennies to billion dollars okay from one penny to penny he's come
two billion dollars so that's all he thinks you shouldn't have talked money
to him if you ask me you should have offered it to him if you spend one hour
with me I'll give you $100,000 this is my team if you bring these 85 no no no
if you bring these 85 people to me I will give them $100,000 each they have
to spend a weekend with me you have to do it the way it works we are living in
this world we have to do it the way it works in this world people come to me
always you know even in the foundation we are a little over 3,600 full time
volunteers and over 3 million part-time volunteers NASA complaints and
complaints and complains every day the number of complaints that I handled you
would kill you okay so people come to Minnesota I can't bear with this person
I can't work with this person I tell them see this is the kind of
people we have on this planet if you want to work with ideal people go to
heaven today leave today if you want to do some work in this world these are the
people
actually perhaps on that note maybe we should open it up to some questions and
there are microphones that are difficult questions for him nice questions for me
so my question is actually on products since the government there is gonna be
changing increase soon and I wanted to find out you know Hinduism concentrates
a lot about inner transformation but I see a lot of lack of you know a social
consciousness and service or as you term you know going out and having a sense
that you know this is my country what do you see needs change in India
why do you think it's like sorry why do you think it's like I think because from
early on I mean from ages no not why do you come to this conclusion that it's
lacking I see it no it's not true you were looking at it from a you're trying
to put a template a Western template on India which we were very proud that we
are like a cosmic Yas understand we feel homesick if there's too much order
do not misunderstand that as lack of you know passion for what it is there's an
enormous passion you should see you just see there is no other nation where such
a large Democratic exercise happens the way it happens in India no other country
in the planet can fulfill that believe me you should see how it happens even
the poorest in the remotest possibility where there's no road electricity even
there he gets to vote ok it's a big thing anyway what is the possibility the
next five years if will be scintillating for India probably 10 years so big
changes are going to happen for sure because what has been lacking for India
is an Indian has never been the leader of the country when I say this I'm
saying our education systems and India have been such once we get English
educated our brains are in Greenwich Mean Time yes so there is no there is
there has not been a leadership who understands people the way they are
somebody who will not ask Indian people to fit into another format which is not
theirs they made them they made ordinary people feel ashamed just because they
don't know how to speak English they can speak their mother tongue fluently but
people are ashamed that they can't speak English when you see nation is just an
idea let's understand this it's not some god-given thing it's just an idea if you
know a certain fashion in this idea nation become strong when you are
ashamed of being who you are how will there be passion about it for the first
time we are having a leadership just passionate about who we are okay
this is very important this is over ten twelve thousand year old culture which
is so complex that you cannot put it into simple logical analysis that you
normally put other societies into because it is too complex and it's too
multi-dimensional multi-ethnic --all everything multi okay it needs a very
organic leadership not a synthetic leadership which drops there because
somebody is somebody's son or daughter okay that's what has happened in the
last thirty years
next question thank you very much I'm wondering of other ways that she would
suggest of turning that and walking the four miles instead of the twenty four
thousand miles you mentioned perhaps finding a guru was one way so that was
one question and also how does one find a guru here in the United States thank
you you must understand the basic human predicament all that you experience all
that you experience light and darkness pain and pleasure agony and ecstasy
whatever whatever everything that you experience happens
within you is that so do you see me right now
do you see me right now where am i use your hands and point out how you got me
all wrong you know I'm a mistake now this light is falling upon me reflecting
going through your lenses inverted image in the retina where do you see me now
within yourself where you hear me right now within yourself where have you seen
the old work within yourself have you ever experienced anything outside of
yourself your entire experience of life happens only within you
so what is happening within you to make it happen the way you want it is not
something that's beyond you it is just that right now all the five sense organs
the five faculties of perception are all outward bound if I do this you can hear
this but so much activity in the body you cannot hear this if an ant crawls
upon your hand you can feel it so much blood flowing you cannot feel it in the
very nature of things sense organs are outward bound because there survive
there are instruments of survival but the seat of your experiences within you
this is your fundamental predicament you need a sense which can turn inward if
you have access to the basis of your experience would you create highest
level of pleasantness for yourself or misery definitely highest level of
pleasantness isn't it the problem is not of intent the problem is of access so do
you need some guidance on this for sure you do so don't use the word gurus
because it's supposed to be a four-letter word in California it has
all kinds of wrong connotations yeah GPS right now if you buy the GPS you buy
from the best company yes which was working well the same thing you must do
you must ask the maximum number of people if it's working well for all of
them you can do it too and anyway if you buy a GPS you're not committed to it for
life if it works you keep it otherwise you throw it same thing with me I will
give you something which works you keep it otherwise threw it what's the problem
you paying more to buy a pair of shoes she's asking a hundred thousand dollars
in our
I'm just and just asking for the costs of the hall and the microphone and the
stuff okay because I have produced a large a large large a huge mass of
slaves who are willing to work seven days of the week 365 days to provide
this for you you understand not waste their lives make it happen for yourself
you
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