hi today we are with Johnny FD he's an entrepreneur
he's a digital nomad lifestyle advocate and he is one of the founders of the
Nomad summit here in Chiang Mai
Ola sorry I don't speak Spanish so hopefully these
subtitles you guys can read it but really excited to be able to share all
this information with everyone here
one of the reasons I came here to Chiang Mai
is because of people actually I've been here for a month and I think I barely do
did any tourism stuff because I've been so excited and overwhelmed about the
people that I've met here and it's been all about networking and making friends
and meeting like like-minded people and I have to give thanks to Johnny in a
lot of sense of this happening because thanks to him many people came here to
this summit this event about a Digital Nomads, in a moment and we're going to talk about
what a Digital Nomad is, in a little bit, so but before of that I would love
if you can share with us like a little bit of where you are right now in your
life and how did you get here so I started in I had a corporate job in
America I worked at a very big American corporation called Honeywell I had a you
know dress shirts and ties and meetings and all the things that you
think will make you happy that is everything they taught me when I was a
kid saying ah if you go get good grades in school you can go to
a good university and you get to graduate with honors maybe you can get a
good job you work for a big company and then you were happy for the rest of your
life and it was not like that maybe the first
year or two was fun because it's new and exciting and then one day I realized
what am i doing I'm waking up every morning and driving to work I have to
put on this stupid shirt that I hate putting on and the winter it's cold in
the summer it's hot I just was not happy I never got to
travel I never really got to experience life I never really got to experience
life outside of my little bubble on weekends I didn't have time to even
enjoy myself because I didn't have the money to go on vacation I had so many
responsibilities and I decided that's enough I quit
in 2008 I moved to Thailand
sorry what was it trigger that... there's always like a
trigger or there's always like something that that that makes you say okay
fuck this I'm making a change
I think between the time I actually left my job
it was I said quit but really the company was got BOTS and they had an
option I can either stay on and probably get laid off or I can quit so I said ah
let me just try something new and I was so unhappy I didn't know what I want to
do I didn't know who I was I was at the time maybe 27 and I was you know getting
a bit older I didn't have any money I didn't have a girlfriend just nothing
was good in my life so I spent a lot of time in personal development I wanted to
just become better or become happier and that led me to all different things and
I read books about how to pick up women thinking that would make me happier but
it did not I read books about the law of attraction and the secrets maybe I can
think my way into happiness and that did not work you know and then I find you
know found money books about like making money the four hour work week by Tim Ferriss
that's a big one yeah and it just all kind of was in my
head and when I came to Thailand it was actually on vacation it was only
supposed to be for three weeks "tres semanas" and it's now been eight
years and it's amazing I mean if you look behind us this is our what we call
co-working space it's a shared office and we loved it so much that we are
actually paying to work and I think a lot of people don't understand the
concept of co-working space they said why would you pay money to go into an office
and work and it's because all of us are entrepreneurs what we called digital
nomads where we get to work on our own business or even remotely for another
business but we can do it from a place like this I mean right now it's sunny
it's beautiful we're just dressed in t-shirts and shorts and it's just a good life
so probably this audience don't know what a Digital Nomad is so could you
introduce a little bit what is a digital nomad and why to try this lifestyle so a
digital nomad is somebody who can work and earn money location independently
and be able to move from place to place based on what they're happy with some
people say it's similar to being an expat but an expatriate is someone who
usually just decides to move and they just stay there forever so if I never
travel a lot and I was just living here maybe I'll be an expatriate but for me
as soon as the weather is not good here or I'm not happy I take my laptop and
close it I moved to Bali I moved to Prague I moved to you know Hawaii
I'll move somewhere else and be able to just open my laptop and continue working
continue earning money and I think that is the real essence of being what
DigitalNomad is is someone that just has the freedom to be able to close the
laptop whenever they want move hop on a plane and then start right back over
again so this did you don't know what thing didn't happen like overnight like
many people think it's okay I'm going to just set up and commerce and I'm going
to be a deetle Noma like what was the journey they journey for you so mine it
started in 2008 when that we've a keishon turn into
you know a few years where I decided I'm not happy at home so I might as well be
happy here and just do things like teach scuba diving or as a tour guide or do
more Thai kickboxing and have just enough money where I can live and I
wasn't making more than $600 u.s. a month so even here it's very very little
we could just get by but I was happy I got to do what I want to do I got to
move to different islands so if I got bored in one island and I want to
explore somewhere else and travel and see more yeah sorry by the way you went
to to wear a suit to be a scuba diver and then I my tech fighter yeah and it
almost and I wrote about that I have a book called hobbies in Thailand which
unfortunately only in English so sorry you guys don't enjoy reading English
books but it explains the whole journey in detail where I cut my job and moved
to Thailand and learned how to scuba dive and when I got I don't say boarder
scuba diving but when I feel like I had enough I wanted to get in shape so I
thought ah Thailand everybody's doing Muai Thai kickboxing let me try this and
I ended up competing I had six professional fights and I loved it and
then I woke up and I was now 30 years old that was a four year journey and I
realized oh man I had a great three or four years but now I'm even older I have
even less money because all my savings are gone and I'm living at Thailand and I
can't even really afford to fly home and look for another job because I'm
spending all my savings so what can I do I have to figure out a way where I can make
money online while while traveling
okay and what was like
so my first step was I
knew I had a blog already who was called my fight camp .com I don't update it so
much anymore but it's all about more Thai and kickboxing and I liked I just
liked to post on it it wasn't a way to make money I like to share their
information one of the best gyms how much it cost to
eat and live and I decided I have all these people reading all this free
information I put out there why not turn into an e-book where the people can buy
it and read it at home and that's a book made me about $200 a month and for
me I was like wow I cannot believe I'm making $20 a month this is amazing
because what's nice about being that this digital no matter this lifestyle is
because the time zone difference is so different in Thailand, then America
or South America usually people there buy things while we were sleeping
yeah we wake up and we have a say oh you so two more books like this is it this
is the term you can hear a lot about its passive income like basically the idea
is to make income even when you're sleeping it's not never totally passive
but yes there is to break this link between time and income yeah exactly and
I think a lot of people get the misconception thinking oh it's so easy
you just set it up and you go to sleep and you make money but it takes a lot of
work just like any business you know if you want to start a restaurant it takes
money it takes to time takes effort but what's nice about this is if you can do
it you can set it up then you can go to sleep wake up and you have money yeah
and it's a lot of work, how much time in your experience for example it takes for
someone to make a dropshipping business or an Amazon FBA
yeah like six months to a year so my my first business that made me more than a
thousand dollars a month was my dropshipping business so if you guys don't
know what dropshipping is it's a way we can sell physical items online and not
have to control the inventory so if I want to sell these tables here or this
chair where this camera or this microphone instead of me buying a
hundred units or a thousand units and ship it to my house and then or a
warehouse and they have to ship it again to the customer when they buy it I can
just make a deal and say hey this maker of this table can I become an authorized
dealer can I sell these tables and I get the wholesale discount I bring
in customers and it really depends a lot on the manufacturer if they want to work
with you or not unfortunately like canon is probably not
going to want me to sell their cameras online because they have big stores to
sell it for whoever makes this table maybe they don't have a marketing team
maybe they don't have a website yeah that's very a attractive for a
manufacturer like it's an extra channel that they don't have before they
don't have to do pretty much anything yeah just have to deal with the buyers
yeah exactly so with dropshipping it's a nice business
to start out in because you don't need that much money to start usually people
can start it for less than $2,000 versus if you start even a cafe it maybe will
cost you ten times that much money before people get too excited after
watching this unfortunately I don't know if dropshipping that model works yet in
South America because it's very it's very new is very different yeah I know
but I know people in South America drop shipping yeah but they come cheap to US
or Europe okay yeah so but you can still do it if you want like that's the idea
of drop shipping you're not the one actually tipping so you have to set up
an e-commerce and yeah you can do it pretty much anywhere yeah so I think
you're definitely I actually do know someone in Nicaragua who is drop
shipping to the US and making enough money to feed his whole family yes I
think for kids but here's the the hard part is if you want to sell to in
America you need to set up an American company new network and bank accounts
it's not as hard as getting a green card but it's still some of the same steps
yeah the nice thing is if you are making US dollars and you can make $3,000 u.s.
a month it's great to spend in South America or somewhere else or in Thailand
so that that's one of the ideas in the Four Hours Work-Week, earning USD
spending pesos yeah I love it you know I've been earning US
dollars now for you know the last three or four years through all the different
passive income channels I have and I spend it in Chiang Mai Thailand which is
one of the cheapest places in the world to live so probably eighty ninety
percent of my income goes into savings or I can invest it and make more money
from it okay so this Digital Nomad lifestyle sounds really appealing and
there's so many people wanted to try it out but I think so many people get into
this for the wrong reasons like they're actually like like before giving like my
take on this side I would like to hear your side sure yeah what do you think
are good and bad wishes to become no I
don't think there's necessarily a bad reason because everyone has a different
priority in life I think the the question would be what makes somebody
successful and what makes someone not successful because as somebody who wants
to come because they you know for whatever personal reason that's up to
them that's not me to judge but if they complain saying that oh I cannot make
any money this is bullshit or this doesn't work then I could ask how how
much you know time have you actually put into studying how much time have you put
into actually building the the business are you following directions or are you
taking personal responsibility and doing it yourself or you just expecting
everyone else to do the work for you so these are questions that I would ask any
business owner or not not just one online I think the biggest problem with
the digital nomad movement is because people see photos and videos of us just
relaxing and looks like we're not working you know people see us on the
beach with a coconut or you know we're sitting even just in this nice Gardens
people might be watching this in your office thinking like all shit you know
they you know like just unhappy you know and it's it's this is the reward after
you've done the work so I think and nobody's filming us just working ten
hours a day for two months it won't be interesting right exactly show that in
YouTube yeah exactly so I realize that if you
want to be successful you wanna be a good digital nomad that you have to be
willing to put in at least two months of work if not three months for me that's
how long it took me to build my dropshipping stores I've now done two of my own
and they both took two months yeah so yeah what I mean like at the beginning
with the question like is that many people is in this like search for happiness
this right and this Digital Nomad thing looks very appealing and may be a good
way to try this out but at the same time you can see depressed nomads
it's weird especially online I think if you guys read any Facebook group or
reddit or something you'll see a lot of unhappy nomads lots of hate saying like
ah this does not work so I'll scan and I honestly believe those are the people
that just they're not happy in their life no matter what they do I think it's
unfortunate I wish I could help them but I know that if they are not ready to you
know take control of their own lives their own destinies there's nothing I
can personally do I can tell them everything that you know and and I'm
sure some of you guys know people like this you know whatever great thing
there's the world they're like oh no that's not for me or that doesn't work
unfortunately because people sometimes see you know come to Thailand it's this
great easy place they think okay if I come then automatically I'll be happier
yeah that's not true with anywhere in the world
yeah and this is a big thing like why are you actually doing whatever you're
doing like it's us because it's this magic formula
to success you're trying like to buy happiness here it's not going to work
like that like in also in place it's all about you and not it's not traveling
that it's going to make you happy if you're not happy first within yourself
so so many people think because they become nomads they will be happy like
this make they mean they make this associate association it's actually not
true and there are actually many moments that feel very lonely for example that
are very depressed for whatever reason for many people did this comes like a
previous step to something else something more relevant and here's where
I want to ask you about purpose I know this was also a journey for you right
now like what how at the beginning it was about freedom it was about doing the
things you wanted but at some point the motivation changed yeah so for me the
beginning the first couple years before I was even really making money it was
about freedom of time you know I wanted to have time to do things I liked doing
whether it's scuba diving or reading a book laying on the beach or doing some
sports like Muai Thai and then I realized okay it's good to have time but
now I need some money so then I started the businesses and I think to be honest
the happiest I ever was personally was when I was making about maybe three to
five thousand dollars a month and back home actually especially in expensive
city like California it's not that much money you can barely live but a place
like this you know you like you do whatever you want you can ever the
nicest place you have extra money you can fly somewhere
I had also free time I had time to go to the gym you know relax and get in shape
so that was actually the best moment of my life I would say the best two years
of my life I was right around that that range I was comfortable and then I
really started focusing on making more money and I don't even know why I
started I think it was because at that time me and my girlfriend for three years
had broken up and I was depressed because of that it wasn't you know the
life or anything I'll just you know I had a great relationship for so long and
it ended it's like ah let me just work so I just put my head down I just worked
for it work work and I somehow grew my income from about five thousand month to
three times that so fifteen thousand US and all of a sudden wow I have rich you
know maybe I'll be happier now man I wasn't and I just I was probably working
more I'll definitely working more I was spending but the same because there's
nothing to spend money on here and I was like well now what you know so then I
realize maybe it's not about me anymore I have everything I need like what else
can I give back or make a bigger impression on the world or at least the
digital in my community so I focused a lot on building the nomad summit which
is the big conference where we get digital nomads from around the world who
come in we've had speakers from South America we've had speakers all crossed
from Asia we had a girl this this year March who was a VA she was only making
$2 $5 an hour at a VA it's aVirtual Assistant it's mainly like an assistant
that you can hire online and you talk to them online
they usually are very cheap and come from very cheap places yeah so she came
from probably the the lowest paying job maybe in the whole world to now building
her own business as a Digital Nomad and then hiring her own VA these virtual
assistants and the scene is that it's not just Americans who can do it even though
there's probably more of us doing it because we probably started earlier all
the great resources are in English as well thank you for this for you
translating this then but then more and more people from other countries are
starting to do it and I actually think that even though it might be harder for
people just start if you're not if you're not an American of England or
something the rewards are actually higher it's
more fulfilling you have less competition and the dollar is worth more
if you could do it and even though I think a lot of people right now they are
selling to the US market I actually think for the people with listening at
home if you really want to make a difference and also make even more money
long term is to do it in your market that Americans could not compete it yeah
I tell you Latin and the spanish-speaking market it's quite big
and and it's very very unattended and everyone wants to go and sell to the
english-speaking people and I think that's a shame
I think that there's a real chance there, a real opportunity I mean I I know
for sure I know some big internet marketers who are making $10,000 plus a
month and they are only selling to Brazil, I don't know why specifically
Brazil but I think I know for sure if you take out some advertisements on
Facebook in America you're paying maybe $2 or $3 per customer at least but in
South America right now you guys are watching this live or not alive but you
know the next few months in 2017 I'm willing to bet that whatever country
you're advertising to especially in a spanish-speaking market you're
you know pennies 10% yeah probably 10% of what you have to be in America yeah
so I think it's really interesting like how the motivations changes along the
time it gets to the point like okay I have everything I thought I needed
there's some there's always like a something else there's always like a
next step and it always at the end comes to purpose like to give back something
that's big and bigger than yourself and for you is what is this is it it is
about this summit that you're making so the Summit is a big part of it because
to me it's like the one place where people from all around the world can
look forward to so if you're watching it at home you're like ah I cannot you know
come to Chiang Mai, but oh the summit is not until January 2018 I have a whole
year to prepare for it no wait I make that my goal I will say January 2018 I'm
right write this down I will be in Chiang Mai for the Nomad
summit and by having that as a goal it makes it a much easier to work hard
every day and say okay if I can make one thousand US a month from some kind of
online business which is very very possible to do then you can come and
then if you reach this goal you calmly celebrate
you're surrounded by four hundred other people who have done the same thing and
it just feels like it feels like you're at home it's like and I think the big
thing at the summit for me at least it was about networking and inspiration
also like hearing the stories it's always inspiring to know your story for
example and further people that summit so the next thing I'm really interested
into is something that my coachees always ask, and it's about traveling
how can I travel more how can I get travel to be part of my lifestyle what do
you say to these people that will like to make a change in distance and travel
more or actually be able to travel while they work so first off I think
congratulations if you've already traveled you've already been somewhere
because at least you had a taste of what you want and what the world is like
I was you know just thinking this is the first time in human history that we are
able to see the whole world in one lifetime our parents our grandparents if
they wanted to travel from South America to Asia it might take them three months
to get there and now even with a long flight it's possible to do it within two
or three days you know maybe even one day for most places in the world and if
we don't do it it's like we're missing out on a great opportunity and this is
also the first time in human history where it's possible to be able to open
up this little you know light machine and just type in things and just work
from wherever you are you know if I had my laptop here I can just sit here for
the rest of the day have order of coffee and I can run a business I can run a
business that is shipping products from the from the US across to another
country and this none of this was possibly for and I think this is a big
thing like this is not something you can only do if you're rich or if you're like
this smart guy on this planet like this is actually something that anyone if
you're actually willing to put the effort and work you can do it yeah and I
want to give you guys a couple options right if you're not the entrepreneur
type it's okay I think a lot of people think that if
you wanna be the Digital Nomad you have to run your own business, you
you have to be your own boss you have to take big risks yourself I don't think this is true
there is a lot of ways where you can either freelance for somebody else or
you can be a employee for a company that lets you work remotely and maybe you
would never be rich from this but you'll be rich in a sense you have the location
freedom and you can live somewhere cheaper while still making a decent
salary from either back home or for an American company and you can continue
traveling so also I would like to add to this like
it's not about being here if you're here like you can have give a first step
right like if you want to have your own business maybe start as a freelancer and
make this happen free and you can learn some the skills along the way make some
connections you can come out here you can start enjoying not only being here
but also meeting other people that are also doing it I think that's the best
first step I mean it took me four years of being in Thailand to even discover
this for now you guys can discover a lot faster because of the community of
interviews like this and books and it took me you know a long time didn't even
start making money online I was my first goal was mixing $600 a month because
that is the bare minimum you need to live in Chiang Mai and then my next goal
was to make a thousand dollars a month so I can live a little bit better then
my next goal was to make $3,000 a month so I can replace my US salary while
living here and then all the other goals after that it's they were not necessary
you know it's nice to be able to make over $100,000 a year while sitting out
here but it's not necessary and not for everyone
not everyone's gonna be happier because you're making you know 250 thousand
dollars a year some of you might think you're gonna be happier but in reality
like what am I gonna spend that money on even more if you're in Thailand what do
you think it's like the biggest lesson you've had in your own journey I think
my biggest lesson I've ever had was not to listen to other people who have not
done it themselves when I first said I want to move to Thailand everybody told
me not to come everybody my family my cousin's my
my friends even people I didn't really know and I just told them hey people
coming for three months I didn't even tell them I'm coming for eight years and
they were like oh what about this what about this what about this
and luckily there's enough information now on videos we can see okay these guys
can't do it why not me they don't look so smart but back then it was really
hard on us I think still it happens now where maybe if you look hard enough
actually in Chile no one knows about this Digital Nomad thing and everyone
thinks I'm crazy so I get what you mean yeah and even especially we read stuff
online people always like oh yeah it doesn't work this doesn't work this
doesn't work my advice to everyone is just try it yourself you know use some
common sense but just do it before you listen to someone else or find someone
who's actually been successful at what you want to do and then follow them okay
and what will be like the key piece of advice for someone that's in their job
maybe in this typical like corporate environment and they're sick of their
lifestyle of their job and want to maybe become a nomad or just make a change of
job or left his career the easiest first step is to be able to start making
some money on the side even if it's just a hundred dollars online if you can do it
through freelancing remote work or you can do it you know as an entrepreneur or
selling something on your side I think by just making even a hundred dollars
you had the feeling of what it takes you know it's possible and you also know
okay if worst comes to worst I can just spend my time on this and maybe try to
grow that $100 to $600 and with the skills that you'll learn from that and
the freedom that you have of time and location then you can say okay now I'm
taking the six hundred dollars a month I'm making online from freelancing
and I'm now living in Chiang Mai I'm meeting all these cool people I found
out this guy he's selling books this guy is selling you know this this guy is
doing this maybe I try this okay one last question I forgot to ask like
is that the II don't know mad thing for everyone or for some like who do you
think the this is worth it I think it's definitely worth it if you hate just
being an office everyday if you are if you have a job that you're not happy at
stop doing that job you know maybe you'll be happy at a different office
job or maybe you'll be happier you know being your own boss being an
entrepreneur living out here if you're if you've always dreamed about traveling
and see more of the world and taking kind of life into your own hands where
you can
you can go where you want to go do what you want to do then this lifestyle is
definite for you and there are so many people doing it you know if you want to
see photos on my Instagram you know if you want to be my blogs JohnnyFD.com
I'm sure Google Translate is pretty good ads make it to Spanish now there's a lot
of people doing it now and it's not just for the geniuses or if you were very
smart it's really for anyone who wants it's enough and it's really to put in
the effort and just go for it yourself so thank you very much you need not just
for the interview also for the summit ah yes, I'm really thankful about the summit
because before actually there's there's no a real like community of nomads right
now like there are just all over the place and and yes they some meet each
other and stuff like that but but there's no real sense of community and I
think there are some initiatives like this at Nomad summit and d NX and
another initiative that are actually trying to to create community and
collaboration and I think that's really awesome that's something I know I really
like so I'm really thankful thank you for that
yeah can you tell us like where to know more about the words they can fund you
so my blog is JohnFD.com and the nomads summit they probably the best way
is view look on YouTube for Nomad summit you can translate all the talks in
YouTube what's up with closed captions and subtitles
I didn't realize it's possible and it's it's decent I think it's it's getting
better technologies getting better you can try to guess what they're talking about,
but we upload
talks for free on the nomad summit YouTube channel because we want to be
able to share this information you know we would love for you to come in person
and meet each other in person but I want to at least be able to give you the
information no matter where you are but if you think this is something that you
want to do my biggest suggestion is to go find a pen and paper and write down I
will be in Chiang Mai 2018 January to come to the Nomad summit okay thank you
very much thank you yes
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