Hi, I'm Tamara Lackey and I'm this
episode of reDefine show for AdoramaTV.
I speak with josé Rosado and we
discussed his writing, his photography,
and his podcasting, but mostly we talked
about the vulnerability, insecurity and
depressive nature often, of being a
creative. He created an organization
called Creatives Against Depression to
open up the conversation to make it less
quiet, and I think you'll find it really
interesting. Check it out!
Hi Jose, how are you? Good. How you doing?
Good.
Thank you for joining me we're here
in Union Square, New York City.
Mm-hmm we're not literally in the square we're,
right next to, five feet away! Yes, yes, and
you drove in from, well I was actually in
Philadelphia. In Philadelphia.
Tell us a little bit about your
background in photography? Sure! I, I always
appreciated photography, never ever
picked up a camera until my senior year]
of college. Okay I took this intro to
digital photography courses, like free
elective. Right. And I really liked it.
Okay, and I was like this is pretty cool
and then I graduated, and for my
graduation my parents got me a D50.
Yes and I took, yeah, I took the whole course
with a HP R707, do you remember they
made digital cameras? They did a little while and
then I got the D50, and I was already
committed to go to grad school. I was
going to go to Drexel to get my MBA, and I
figured.. okay. I'll just do this mm-hmm to
make money, while I'm in grad school. Yeah.
And you know then I'll get a real job,
yeah, and then I graduated in '08. So, so
it wasn't a great time to get a real job in New
York, no less, you know! So I kept falling
back to photography, and what I thought
would be you know six months, ended up
being six years. Yeah you know I did it
full-time for six years, and it was great.
When I graduated, I quit the job of the
studio, and moved to Philadelphia. Okay
and I had nothing. Yeah! so I was horribly
depressed. New city! Right. You know, you know, you're
not throwing that out as I was depressed, no
genuinely, no.
Oh yeah I've been, yeah I've
suffered with that since I was 14 right?
And it it got real dark for two years,
yeah, and luckily I had photography you
know and I just said you know what, I'm
going put out feelers and resumes, and
apply to places, but I'm going to put all my
effort into photography, because this is
the only thing that's paying you right
now. Right, and I started treating it like
a business and approaching it with an MBA
kind of mindset. Yeah. And doing pretty
fairly well. Right, and and then was that
part of like coming out, and personally
dealing so much with depression. Was that
part of your kind of movement into
because you created that Creatives
Against Depression right? Yeah. That was
something that, so this, like this all
kind of went along with the, the, merge or
the emergence of social media. Right.
Okay, so back then when I was starting out it
was like MySpace and Facebook was kind
of there, right, so it went from that to
all of a sudden, like social media was a
business entity. I would treat it like a
business, and I for years, I saw so many
friends who like you, were speaking
around the world, traveling, had highlight
reels like Chase Jarvis. Right! Right.
Right, and I talked to them and I'd be
like how's it going? I see all the stuff
you're doing... it's crazy. Yeah... and they're
like um it sucks... I'm depressed, like I, I
don't want to pick up a camera. Yeah!
I don't want to shoot any more but I can't
say that. Right! Right, cause I got this
sponsorship, and this sponsorship, and
this commitment. Yeah! And I'm like.. well that sucks..
The disconnect.
How come you, and you can't be open about
it? Right? So you just, you know you're
alone, yeah! And you can't acknowledge
to anybody for fear of losing clients
and all that other stuff. Yeah, and over the years,
the, the people I would talk to got more
and more, and more of those kind
of stories. Yeah and also it was a sense
of vulnerability, you're like, if you're
ready feeling that low, you
really want to open yourself up to
sharing that. Right! It's funny I was
talking even last night, so just finished
a gallery exhibit here. Which was, looks
great. Thank you, thank you, but I was
talking last night to a photographer, and
I was sharing how I was going to meet with
you, and he's like, so he's like, are you
gonna talk about the fact that we could
do things like this, but then we drop
hard. And I was like...yeah! I think that's
what we're going ti talk about, because you
know sometimes you feel like it's just. I
got a lot of energy, I don't have a lot
of energy, and sometimes it's a lot more
than that you know. It's hard to
recognize, when I thought about it, and I
was talking to someone, a psychiatrist
and I said. 'You know do you feel this, do you
feel this?' I'm like yeah, but you're just
talking about being a full-time creative.
There's highs, I'm moving, I'm going there's 100
miles an hour, then there's that low. Yeah.
And I get depressed, and I get angry and
I get bitter. but then as soon as
something comes. And lonely. Yeah! I strike
Yeah! Cause you know how it is right? strike while the
iron's hot. You never know when it's going
to stop. Right. There is that scary part of it, you
know, so I said you're just explaining a
professional photographer. You call it
bipolar, I call it photography.
I thought yeah, I thought my
career is, it's as a real artist. Yeah, it
messed with me, because I then I started
reading articles where they're saying is
bipolar, you know something that skews
more towards creatives. It's one of those
things that like you mentioned, it's been
around forever. Uh-huh, so a lot of the
media stuff you mentioned, happened when
I got laid off. Huh, so I got laid off, I
had a, had a job as a, working for a
New York company, and I was working
remotely, so I could still do photography,
I could still travel, and do all that kind of
stuff, and I got laid off in 2014, I
went from being a single guy in the city
to now, I had two kids I'm raising.
I'm in the suburbs with the house, so the whole
thing changed, and I lost my job.
It was the same frustrations that I
had when I graduated in
'08, but now compounded. Oh yeah! I kind
of had like a breaking point, and I set
my, my parents and Jessica down, and I
said.. I can't, like give me one month, I
want one month to not apply to jobs, yeah?
I just want to do my art, so I started
writing, and what was different was, years
past, when I started blogging, it was like
behind the scenes, right it was like BTS,
here's some shots of the set up, here's
what we got. 'Which is not writing.
Right! It's boring, and I hated it, years ago.
Yeah, so I said you know what? Let me do
something different, and around that time
like you mentioned, the vulnerability, I
started realizing, hey like, I'm in this
struggle, I'm frustrated, I'm thinking
that I should, I'm employable, I'm passionate and
I'm professional. Like I really want just
a break, and I started writing about that,
I started writing about my emotions, what
made me feel, all the vulnerabilities, and
everything like that. And all long form
everything was like 1,200 words or more,
and two weeks in, I got a job offer to
write for Fstoppers, well I was like
hold on a second, in two weeks time I was
doing my own thing. More progress than I did for eight
months going full-tilt.
Yeah, so I said alright, let me keep going,
and, and, the writing started getting
better, and I started actually picking
writing clients, and getting paid to do
it, and it was you know, awesome. I started
writing for Chimera Lighting for Borrowlenses
and all this stuff, and I said all
right. I had the idea with a podcast for
a while, we're at PPE, and I started the
same thing. I started saying okay, who can
I interview, who do I know and I starting all
my friends, and Doug Saunders one of the
first people Zach Sutton was another one
and then we're talking to Doug, and who walks
by with Jeremy Cowart,
then Jeremy Cowart came on the next day
then Pratik Nail the retoucher, his
girlfriend Bella, and I started realizing,
in one day, we talked to all these
amazing people, right, and that night I went to..
was it, it was the black and white party,
You ever been to that one?
I don't know it's such a whirlwind. Yeah, so I went
there. Everyone wearing black and white?
No they just call it the Black and White party.
Yeah I think it's by RGG, okay. Maybe...
I think, and so I went there, so I started
talking some people and then I bump into
some people from Creative Live. Cool started
talking to them, and in walks Chase Jarvis
and we start chatting, and I said, listen
I started this new podcast called the
Angry Millennial you know? He was.. 'Dude..
just stop because I'm in. You know like
what's the Angry Millennial mean? So the
Angry Millennial. The words... but what is
it what is the point of it? So you know
what it is, everyone asked me is it like
a Louis Black thing? Are you just
screaming the entire time? And you've
been on it right? Likeyou know what
it is? It was the hangups...
like I never knew I was a millennial.
Like I said, when I graduated people
started talking about our generation is
a generation of filled institutions, you
know first adult children of divorce, you
know realizing college is not all it's
cracked up to be, you know the economy
collapsing, and then you have the 'gig
economy' you know, where no one's a
full-time employee. Right, right. And it
was very frustrating for me because I'm
old enough that I'm like on the cusp of
Gen X, and yeah and I sit there and say I
want to do all the things that Gen X
people do. But as a millennial I graduate
at a time where there's nothing, yeah it
was very frustrating. I was very angry
for years right, and that was something I
had to make peace with. I know and kind
of let go yeah, and stop being so angry
and just say... hey here I am, you know
essentially this is a whole period right?
I'm doing all my own thing again, yeah
which for me, I was I've did it for years
and I was over, it I was like I don't
want that feast and famine for my kids.
Right so I was like, I want something
steady and my arts my ar,t no longer
like a job right? And it you know here I
am doing that, and I did it for a year. We
did a hundred episodes, okay, and it was
awesome and we talked to amazing people!
You know, you were on there!
Dixie Dixon, everyone in the photography world
and we went out, and did like comedians,
and film people, and it was a great mix
of entrepreneurs. People are sharing
these things that are so profound.
And I started really thinking about it
and a lot of emotional intelligence
played into it, but I started looking at
like, the breakdown of an interview, and it
said 2/3 of it are, well it's long-form, right
so it's an hour long, yeah!
So 2/3 of it are talking about you your
business, what's going on, shop this
person out, shop this company out, and
then at the, with like the last third we
start going in deeper. Things and they're
all set questions, so I asked these same
questions to everybody. Okay and what
people shared was huge, and that's when I
started, it started going more towards
a mental health thing you know? Talking
about vulnerability, about anxiety about
you know depression, and those sort of
things, and I kind of wanted to go more
in that direction right? And around that
time you know, Dave Mirra, he was an
extreme athlete. Yeah, he did like
everything you think of, right? he was
like I think, he still is, the most gold
medal-winning, x-games athlete of all time.
So I met him years ago, shooting a rally
event in New Jersey, and I had grown up
watching this guy. He was like maybe five,
ten years older than me, so I grew up
watching him and to meet him was great,
and I got to meet him, and Tanner Foust
and Travis Pastrana and all those guys,
and he was the nicest one out of all
them right? And he was in the
podium that day, so when I went to go
shoot the podium, he had two little girls
and I didn't know her had kids. Yeah, that's so
cool I didn't know he had kids, and that
was it. I didn't know fast forward five,
six years, and now I'm in you know
Baltimore, my whole life has changed
right and he took his own life,
and it just made me angry, you know it made
me angry to feel like you know, he had no
other way out, like the isolation right?
You know? Yeah! And it's, it was, it was one
of those things that I said, you know
what let's just, I got it gotta do more,
so I started the site Creatives Against Depression,
then the blog, then it became a medium
publication. We also started, I teamed up
with Mickey Coachella, who was, or is a
comedian and a radio DJ, down in
Baltimore, and we started doing weekly
support groups, support groups because we
realized there are none! Like literally
if you suffer from anything else,
alcohol abuse, addiction, you know, cancer
grief, loss, anything, stress - there's a
support group right? But not for mental
health. I think one of the most bizarre
things about all that, is the reason we
talked about stigma, especially the
history, and why that might contribute to
current, you know societal stigma, but
also there is the self-imposed quiet,
that isn't always, 'I don't want
to talk'. Sometimes it's 'I don't want to
bring people down around me' you
know. I feel like there's an expectation
of me to be this like for work and
this and that, but then there's also, 'this sucks but I'm going to get past it', so you
don't treat it like a real issue. Right?
So you're you know, 5, 10, 15 years down
the road right, and you've lost so much
at that time,
because you keep thinking optimism right?
Like you can be really depressed and
also feel like you're going to get out someday,
and you know what's, what's even
worse, is it's true. There is episodic,
you know, depressional little episodes right.
That kind of thing, where it could be
just a rough time. Yeah and you know for me for a
long time that's what it was, it was I
moved had no friends right. I lost my job,
I couldn't get work. I lost my job again.
You know, so things that people
will be like that's totally
understandable but at the same time then
I look back, and realize it was kind of
steady, there the entire time.
Oh yeah, so we still have the site and
the blog and the medium publication. So
if anyone wants to be a part of like the
blog and some writing articles or even
just literally funding articles online
and sharing them, we're always looking
for for new writers, contributors. We are
still doing the talks at colleges.
Yeah I started just now recently. I
accepted an adjunct position at the
University of Baltimore, so we're going to
try and do one there, and one at Mica in
Baltimore, and it it's one of those
things where again, like it's a huge need
you know? So it's not just the greatest
part, but realizing also we're obviously
more susceptible to it, but we started
one called 'Together We Got This', so it's
more of like an open umbrella to the
public, and then we say, hey, if you also
happen to be creative you know, and you
know we know those woes. You sit there
and say it's constantly a struggle
between am I sick? Or am I not?
Am I you know, just a loner sometimes? Or
am I really escaping and isolating myself?
And, and then, you couple that with I'm
really anxious but I'm really ambitious,
and I've got to get offline, and do that, do
these things. That's mental gymnastics all the time!
Yeah, it never turns off right right? And
that can be a lot, yeah, yeah. Well I'm
guessing a lot of people who are
watching this can understand they should
go to CreativesAgainstDepression.com
You went with the dot-com? Thank you.
And then the other site you said
Togetherwegotthis.com, I'm sorry org, .org.
Okay and where can they go to find more
about you and your work?
if you go to joséRosadophoto.com
Ok
Joserosadophoto.coml
Ok and on the social medias?
Let's see Instagram @joséRosadophoto
twitter @JoseRosadophoto and on
Facebook it's Jose Rosado photography
and Creatives Against Depression as well ok?
Perfect. Thank you, thank you. It's great
seeing you again. Yeah.
Thank You Jose for
talking so openly about something we all
need to be talking about more. Check us
out here next time on AdoramaTV and
don't forget you can subscribe.
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