Rodrigo, thank you so much, my friend
Thank you.
It's so hard for us to meet...
Hi everyone!
...when I come here
Alright, everyone. For those of you who
don't know Rodrigo, which I find hard
at this point people not knowing
who he is
but for those who don't know
this guy here is an amazing guitar hero
without trying to be a guitar hero
which I believe is one of the hardest things to do
because a guitar hero who wants to be
a guitar hero is like
annoying
annoying right, man?
You know, I remember something funny
many years ago we were on our way
to playing a gig together
and you were in my car
and I put some music on for us to listen to
during our trip and when we arrived
you said something really funny
I thought it was a big compliment, you said
Man, during the whole trip
that was about 2 hours long
I didn't hear a single guitar hero
Yeah, guitar is pretty annoying
The guitar player plays his show and then
when he opens the green room door backstage
there's only men waiting for him there
wearing black shirts! No, I'm out!
Yeah, me too! I'm out of this kind of thing!
That's right!
I also remember a time when Suricato
was kind of beginning
I think one of the things I like the most
about your story
My friend, everyone who likes biographies knows
that fuck, only who works their ass off,
and goes through certain things gets to
where they want to get, right?
And remember a time when you moved to
Vargem Grande, I think,
you were short on money, things were tought
and my friend, you kept, you recreated,
an identity...
I gave up on music, in fact
it was a year when I had almost no work,
I gave up on music and wanted to switch to
photography, work wth my girl in a few productions
and all
and unemployed I began writing songs for her
It's always a good reason, right?
Then I said, well I'm here already
not making anything so,
I'm going to make music for you.
Then I started making a record and from there
I started getting invitations
sometimes it's great that we take something
out of our lives, the importance
of music, right?
So that other things can also enter
our lives.
Marcelo D2 (Brazilian artist)
said on a interview
Music is one of the sides of my life
I also make rice, coffee, other things...
and make music!
not just music, right?
Yeah, well...
And then later Suricato
ended up making it big, right?
You guys played Rock in Rio
You guys travel
...Lollapalooza...
many awesome music festivals
and...well..I'm gonna say it's recent
but it's not that recent anymore
that you joined Barão (Barão Vermelho - band), right?
Yes
Frejat (ex-singer) decided to focus
on his solo career
right
and I thought, man, I can't think of
another choice that could have been so right
haha So nice!
because man, I even said...
I also know Rodrigo Santos (band member/bass)
and I remember that at that time I said
man, that's so awesome! So awesome!
Because man, like, you are kind of
complete because you play many instruments
very well and very tastefully,
you are also very generous when it comes
to playing...
No, no! Stop that!
A generous guy when comes to playing
even... I've been keeping up with this
whole new moment of Barão
and a guy who writes great things...
you know that sometimes 2 guitarists
playing together could cause problems, right?
yeah, yeah
Cause there's something
about the ego, the guy thinking
fuck, he's going to do something cool
and what 'm doing is not important
It's like this... for a guitar player to say
that the other guitar player is generous
is because he only soloed for 1 minute
and split his solo with the other player
But something I thought was very cool was
Fernando Magalhães (other gtr at Barão)
saying that you, Rodrigo, is super generous.
He writes that openly.
And fuck, that's what I thought too so
I'm super stoked!
Aw man!
So how is going with this story with,
let's talk a little bit about Suricato and Barão also
How is that going?
Well, Suricato is a creative core,
it's an extension of my work
I can't break free from myself, right?
You guys who are outside of Brazil
have a culture where it's very normal
for an artist to have different works.
That's part of the artistic being,
having an art work with this guy and that guy
and that completes you.
You refer to projects, right?
Not here!
Here it seems there's something like
It's my beloved team and I only cheer
for that team and I will do that for the rest of my life.
And I've never seem myself on that role.
I like to roam between projects and to
have the possibility of now having these two
projects: Suricato that suggests something
entirely different musically and Barão,
Barão Vermelho that is an iconic band
Yeah!
with the solidification of a repertoire
that my generation can't consolidate.
It's a new generation where there's a lot
repertoires available and art
so none of those songs last more than
5 years on your affective memory.
Yeah, right? It seems you just don't make,
either you just don't make timeless music anymore
or the relationship with music changed also.
The relationship with music changed and
here in Brazil specially,
we depend way too much on the media
to disseminate that, right?
My band Suricato, for those who don't know,
had exposure on TV for 3 months
on Sundays almost at dawn.
3 months only
and it was enough to be a huge watershed
on my career.
Now I imagine these bands,
predecessors to Suricato, like Barão Vermelho,
the golden decade of national rock,
they had TV exposure for over 10 years
on every TV show!
So that's something we will never have again.
Yeah, yeah that's complicated nowadays.
Yeah, yeah, right
We will not have that anymore
So it's cool having this job with Barão
initially as a spokesman of well known songs
until we begin to write new material
and my thing as a singer songwriter
with Suricato and other projects I have.
It has been wonderful!
Well, thats great!
I see that you are kicking ass just
for a change! I've always known that
was going to happen anyway!
So what's the suggestion here?
The idea of the show I do with Fred
the Frea King Show
that we shoot in New York
he shows me uh uh artists
that I find to be very interesting
because he shows me artists from
the USSR from any music genre, ok?
And you end up finding
things that you maybe never...
maybe because there's so much
going on nowadays that it's hard.
I have found out about artists that
man, are now on my Spotify, you know?
That's wonderful!
And the idea of shooting this here in Brazil
is what?
It's so that the people of the USSR and
United States and anywhere else,
here from Brazil because in portuguese
probably the people from here
will watch it,
is that there is a music exchange.
People from there could maybe discover you
and go, who's Rodrigo Suricato?
Who is Suricato?
Yeah, cool
Who is Barão Vermelho, you know?
Just like we will watch here things
from them that we don't know about.
Because also for both you and me,
it's the very first time I'll see this! Got it?
That's awesome!
So, let's do it!
Let's do it!
We will start here with this band
I hope I say the name right,
this is a guy who is a balalaika virtuoso,ok?
Alexey Arkhipovsky
Alexey Arkhipovsky or something like that
It says here that he started out...
he was born in 67
and he conquered a million things,
like it seems he's the number 1 balalaika
player in Russia
That's cool!
and we are going to watch a video
of him playing
you know that show Eurovision?
Yes!
So this is his performance on Eurovision.
Do you know how to play the balalaika?
No.
There were some modulations there already
Yeah
I feel like buying a balalaika
to learn this fucking thing, right?
Yeah, it's wonderful!
he is kind of crazy, right?
Yeah!
I think it's really cool when there's
a performance.
Yeah, a performance!
Usually guys that are super virtuosos
are very serious, right?
Yeah, it's something more scholar like and he...
Yeah
And there's no pick, right?
There's no pick?
It's all fingerstyle
I don't see a pick
there's a little delay.
there's a little delay! I was gonna say that now!
Guitar players are very annoying!
We are very annoying!
There was some Deep Purple there, look!
Yeah!
He's probably playing harmonies that are
traditional in Russian music and we
don't know that, right?
Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
What's really cool is that it comes to
a moment where the music choices
are kind of similar, right?
Oh, he's making some percussive sounds there, look.
If that was a guitar, you'd say that's
bad cable connection!
That is interesting!
Super virtuoso!
The old trick, the old trick!
The old trick!
Wonderful!
So cool that he would get a
folkloric instrument and bring this
joviality to the folklore and
that added to the whole performance
is really cool.
Yeah!
What's so cool is that us on Suricato
use to make...we really like
different instruments. We do research
on instruments and doing those researches
it's funny how sometimes cultures that never
had any type of contact...
Have similar things, right?
very similar!
This is really funny.
I think that our minds have limits, right?
Yeah
I'd only have this idea!
In the old days, before this whole
globalization thing it was harder...
Yeah
even the whole thing of stealing songs, right?
It was easier for someone to hear
something over here and take it,
pretend it was his.
Yeah.
Nowadays... but then you also see the
limitations...
you see how there's an idea here
then someone else on the other side
of the world had a very similar idea
very similar.
and no one new each other!
It's normal, right?
There's a story of Humberto Barros,
he is a keyboardist friend of ours,
I ran into him the other day at Baixo Gavea!
Yeah?
I think this story is about him...
I think people were at a recording session
and Humberto, almost at the end
of the session
people were getting ready to leave
and he had a wonderful music idea!
Then people said,
Humberto let's record this right now
so you don't forget it tomorrow
and he said
No, I would only have this idea!
I will remember it tomorrow!
This is the only one!
It's fine. I would only have this idea!
I will remember it. No need to write
it down.
Humberto is so funny!
Wonderful!
So here we give the ranking
from zero to five stars
you can rank anything in between,
1.75 ...
We rank video and music, altogether
So what would be your ranking
for this guy?
Ahh, I would give 5 stars to this guy
for the technique,
the amount of time he dedicated to
the instrument and the timing of
reading the audience. Because by himself, in a
scholar kind of way he may not have
captivated people's attention on a
live performance, right?
Maybe if we were only listening
to the audio, just the audio,
we would have skipped the track already.
Maybe, yeah, but watching it, it grabs your attention
Yeah, something audio-visual like that...
I said this is wonderful!
The time of dedication and the time of
knowing when to bring something
to the audience because sometimes
the virtuoso thinks that it's a demerit
bringing entertainment along with
the performance.
Which is so stupid!
So stupid!
Look, I always say something that is this...
there is a reason why
this is called the entertainment
industry.
We can't forget that!
Of course!
You know? If you want to be the guy...
like, sometimes I have a problem
with musicians... like, specially
hired musicians, right?
Many times he will play for an artist,
of course, first you need to know
what kind of artist you are
playing for
and what kind of stage presence
matches that type of music
and that artist.
Of course!
But there are people who are so
uptight who are scared of
making mistakes...
It's the fear of making mistakes...
Man, make a mistake, you know?
Yeah
You can make a mistake, but like
the audience, when you have that
connection with the audience,
with the band.
there's musicians who play only looking down
Right
No, man, look at everyone,
enjoy it, have fun,
create a connection with the crowd.
That is worth way more than
not making any mistakes at a show, you know?
Exactly!
We can't forget that, right?
Sometimes you get so defensive
and end up not having that exchange.
Yeah!
because nowadays there's that thing that...
I saw an interview with
Pat Metheny once where he said that
what gets artists and musicians uptight
is this thing that everyone is
filming everything all the time.
Everyone gets afraid of making mistakes
Yeah
and then people upload it on youtube
in the old days there was none of that
so you felt free and if you made mistakes
it was alright, fuck it, you know?
Yeah
So I will agree with your ranking
and will give it 5 stars also
for the same reasons.
I think he held this fuckin thing
together by himself
and did a great job
and doesn't let us get bored with it.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is something really hard to do!
Let's move on to..
Britney Spears!
Noooo!!
Now we are going to watch this one...
I'd like to know how to say
these names correctly because Fred
didn't teach me.
I would say Mashina Vremeni ?
Mashina Vremeni
right?
Yeah. This one is easier, right?
This band, look at this,
this band is classic rock,
Russian rock band, you see?
Uh uh they started a long time ago
they have been around, let's see,
since 69...
that's right? You see?
And like... classic rock, blues and
Russian folk music.
So I think it's right up your alley!
Cool! I want to see it.
Nice voice
Good!
One thing that is theirs...
I'm not a big fan of that tone,
I think it's kind of...
But I'm digging it!
I'm digging it!
It's just that guitar tone is
kind of aggressive.
Yeah.
Guitar...
He is the one saying it!
I think that not every language
is good for singing blues and I'm
surprised!
Yeah, I agree.
This guy singing in Russian and all,
because in Portuguese...
I think that Portuguese and Blues don't
go together as nicely.
Now, how funny, right?...
And now!
No, no! How funny! he's playing
a Strat, but I'm not digging the tone!
It's a Zoom kind of tone, right?
Guitar players being guitar players,
right?
Doesn't care about the band,
he is the one far away,
the one sitting down, careless,
he will only come in to solo.
He waits for his moment!
Guitar players are guitar players
anywhere in the world!
We are so annoying!
Look, look at him!!!
I'm only missing more changes...
Yeah, yeah, yeah
the song is kind of linear
it's way too linear, yeah
it's a family kind of environment, right?
You can see that clearly...
Where families go out to lunch on Sunday, right?
I was truly deeply touched by the lyrics, because, like...
that's what caught my attention the most...
Yeah! that's a problem we have!
It's hard to...since we don't speak
Russian or any other language like
Ukrainian or whatever so,
many times you miss out on the meaning...
Sometimes the video is self explanatory, right?
You can understand it.
But in this case, I have no idea
what they are talking about.
Yeah, yeah
So we will analyze more other things...
Yeah, there's this anxiety that it gives you,
like for instance, if you were
listening to Samba in French, right?
That makes us feel some affliction,
but this one didn't make me feel
like that for having Blues sung in
Russian.
I agree! I didn't feel it either.
It was fine.
Now there's something else I say,
and I always give the example
of the same band,
because to me it's a band that
many people know and like...
Like there's bands that I don't know
what they are singing about,
like Sigur Ros that I like so much.
I love it!
Right so, I don't know what they are saying.
I have no idea!
They could be talking about their
house plumbing system
yeah
and I don't know what it is,
but I'm like tripping on it, you know?
Yeah, it's true.
There are other things in the song that
captivate your attention, right?
Yeah
So, what else did you think?
What would your rank be?
Well, man, differently than the balalaika
balalaika, right?
balalaika.
that is a new information for me,
this one I've already heard before, right?
Yeah, yeah!
This I've already heard before,
I know where it's going so,
my ears get used to it a little.
I give it 3 stars, I think.
3.5 stars, I think.
Ok, cool.
That's good, right?
Yeah, man. Look, I'm thinking
the same thing.
I'll also give it 3.5 stars
Our rankings are very similar.
Because I liked the song, but I think
that the song didn't go anywhere.
Yeah
And the guitar didn't hold it
together and took it somewhere else.
Yeah
There wasn't a lot of elements
coming in and out.
This type of music many times doesn't
have that, but there had to be
something else, man.
Yeah, and there is this thing that
I like to get away from...
I am... I really like Blues,
but this thing of the
caricature of the Blues, you know?
The loner, alcohol, cigarettes,
the moon my partner,
me by myself and my motorcycle,
I think is too cliche.
Yeah
I like it when it takes the Blues to
another place that is not
so ghetto, so heavy, you know?
This thing where there are only
people who didn't succeed in life,
playing like, you know?
I like it when it goes somewhere else.
I will say it. I didn't like the
guitar tone.
Yeah, yeah
I didn't like it. Not a fan.
Yeah, but what did you think of the keys sound?
I was also not a fan.
You are not being generous with the guitarists!
No, no. I will also say that
I wasn't crazy about the keys sound, but
ok. To me it was ok.
3.5. 3.5 is fair, right?
Alright, then.
So let's go... Oh man! This band
I fucking love them!
I hope this video is cool.
I think this is a live video.
Their videos are usually different.
For instance, this video we just watched,
is kind of easy to shoot.
Just one set, there's not much
happening ...
Yeah
This band, they have this thing that
their videos look like short movies you know?
I think not this one though,
I think this is live,
but it's going to kick ass!
Their music is a mix of...
The Hatters, right?
I would compare them to
Gogol Bordello.
So it's that kind of thing
Russian folk with Punk Rock,
and they go crazy on stage...
that kind of thing.
Yeah
I think you'll dig it.
Holy shit!
The bass...
That's the biggest Doritos I've ever
seen in my life!
I want to play with a Doritos
like that one too!
Fuck!
Wonderful!
Really cool.
They are singing in English, right?
Man, I hate,
I hate this hi hat.
It matches the song, but man...
It reminds me of the 80's, you know?
That whole thing, no!
Yeah, but you are thinking of
Paulo Ricardo (Brazilian artist),
RPM (Brazilian band), right?
Yeah, of course!
Here in Brazil there was too much
of that!
Just the Doritos alone is worth
5 stars, I think.
Fuck, the Doritos alone is worth 5 stars!
Alone!
Now the drum groove is not that one anymore.
Yeah
Now it changed.
If I stop looking,
it sounds like a traditional band.
And then you look...
It could be elderly people playing, right? More excited
And when you look, the whole performance thing...
We listen with our eyes also.
Yeah
The Doritos... fuck
I can't stop looking at it!
Ahh you see? it's a guitar,
and he attached the Doritos to it.
It's like, man, the crowd...
it's very much like a Gogol Bordello's show
that I saw in New York
one year ago with my ex wife.
Man, it's like this the
entire time!
People jumping, it's insane!
This is wonderful!
So good, right, man?
Fuck, 5 stars!
This is one of my favorite bands, man,
because they are very bad ass, man.
5 stars to the Doritos and
5 stars to the band! Fuck!
And a hug to the Doritos guy!
Wonderful, man!
This band is wonderful!
I didn't know them. I will listen more.
Man, it's so good.
That's what I was telling you,
it reminds me a lot of Gogol Bordello.
It has the same vibe,
the instrumentation is similar,
they also have girls doing all
that performance.
Yeah, I've never seen it live.
And playing instruments, and climbing
things and messing with the crowd.
Man, they don't stop!
It's like this the entire time!
Gogol Bordello's show is like this
the entire time!
And I'm sure these guys' show is
like that also!
Man, how wonderful!
They play traditional Russian instruments also,
you know?
Gogol Bordello or them?
Them!
Yeah
So it's really cool.
Now you said something that
reminded me of a story, but I
can't say the artist's name...
This thing about listening with
your eyes, right?
Once I was recording at the
old AR Studios
of our friend Andre Rafael,
and I was recording this album for
a musician that was very famous
for a band he was a member of that
was extremely successful in the 80's.
It was his solo album and
it was kind of brit rock, right?
I was recording a guitar,
it was guitar day and
I was recording this guitar
kind of on the downbeats
brit rock like...
And he was being a pain
for the entire session,
since the very beginning.
It was complicated,
it was fucked!
Really fuckin annoying!
Then there was a moment where
I couldn't take it anymore.
He stopped the take while I was in
the middle of this thing.
He stopped it and and said,
Hey Alex, you know what it is, man?
It's that missing seeing your shoulder
move like this...
And then I said,
Stop it! Unmute the talk back mic.
Turn on this mic here.
Everyone was facing me, right?
There was this big glass and
everyone was facing me from the
mixing room.
I said, Hey Mr -
I can't say his name here -
You can say it, man...
before I play another note on your album,
I'm going to ask you a question.
Depending on your answer,
I go on or I stop.
Here's what I wanna know...
Do you listen to music with
your eyes or with your ears?
And then the producer that was
right next to him did like this, look...
Then he stopped and said,
you're right!
And he didn't say another word
for the rest of the session and
the album came out great.
I'm not seeing your shoulder...
Fuck! I'm not seeing your shoulder
move like this, man!
Listen, my friend! Fuck!
So, you gave it 5 stars
to these guys, right?
5 stars
to them and 5 to the Doritos.
I will agree
these guys... I'm a little suspicious
when it comes to them, because
these days they are one of my
favorite bands - The Hatters.
Man, I'll listen to them more.
Really cool. Yeah, these guys are
worth getting to know for sure.
And are they an old band? No right?
It's a new band, right?
They are around, man. No, I'm not sure
if they are old, but it's not like
they started yesterday.
It's funny how we are ignorant, right?
At least myself...
It's not ignorance, man!
There's too much going on nowadays.
There's too much going on!
That's why I'm saying this
exchange of ours is very favorable.
You guys should also get to know,
listen to Suricato,
Barão Vermelho,
listen to other things from Brazil
that we will show here.
So guys, according to the math
the balalaika Alexey is tied with
Yes
Hatters.
So...
Teach me a word in Russian!
I will teach you one.
It's how we say goodbye, it's...
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