(Singing) I know my God has made the way for me.
I know my God has made the way for me.
ANNOUNCER: Today on the Believer's Voice of Victory,
Gloria and Kellie Copeland show that the greatest blessing of
your Christian walk is fruit by fellowship. Become involved in
what Christ is doing through the Church worldwide. Here's Gloria.
GLORIA: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Believer's
Voice of Victory. Kellie's back with us today
talking about the fruit of the Spirit. It is so vital to
your well-being. Why? Because if you have the fruit operating out
of you, you've got patience, goodness, kindness, love. What
is it you don't understand about how great a live that'd be? You
don't have to get mad and frustrated. So give us some
more, Kellie. We like it. KELLIE: Well, I was going to
save this for next week, but I had the Lord speak to me this
morning, and I just thought it was so good. It's like--I'll
probably say it again just because it's so good. GLORIA:
That's permissible. KELLIE: (Laughs) We are not stuck. This
is the good news of what we're talking about today and talking
about oneness. If you weren't with us yesterday, we're talking
about, oneness with Jesus produces these things. To try to
walk in the fruit of the Spirit as a work of the flesh doesn't
work. GLORIA: It can't be done. KELLIE: Paul said--Paul's like,
"I'm shocked that you all would go back to that. After having
been delivered from the work of the flesh, why would you try to
go back to the flesh?" GLORIA: Yes, amen. KELLIE: So a lot of
times, we try to bring like, "I'm going to walk in love with
this person!" No, no, no, no, no. I mean, if that's all you
can do, then do your best like that. But He said this morning
to me, "We're not stuck in life with our own abilities. We're
not stuck in this life, living it out with what all we have."
Like Paul talked about, we read yesterday, he said, "I used
to--I could boast of myself. I used to--you know, I was this. I
was the Hebrew of the Hebrews. I was all these things. I was the
greatest Pharisee. I was this, I was that." But he said, "It's
all nothing compared to knowing--experiencing and then
knowing Jesus." GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: All the things that you
can do, all the abilities that you have are nothing compared to
knowing Him. And they are nothing in your life. I mean,
the results of everything you can do equals nothing compared
to what the Spirit of God does in you when you become intimate
with Him, when you become one with Him. We read yesterday
about His explosive resurrection power in our life when we have
that oneness with Him. That's the result. So the result of
oneness with Him is the fruit of the Spirit. It's not something
you have to strive for to earn, to gain, "I'm going to walk in
love. I'm going to have self-control." Do you know I
read in here that self-control is not--I'm going to save that
one, but self-control--it really should be translated something
different. And I'm not going to tell you what it is right now.
I'm going to hold that. GLORIA: Hmm. KELLIE: So you have to keep
watching. But what He said, "We're not stuck in this life
with our own abilities, with our own love, with our own joy, our
own peace, our own ability to make things okay in ourselves,"
because, I'm telling you, things happen sometimes. There's
nothing in you if you don't have the fruit of the Spirit. If you
don't have that relationship with Jesus, there's nothing left
to come out of it with. And people struggle. I mean, people
get on drugs to help them with things. People commit suicide
because they can't see the way out. People do all kinds of
things. Sadly, Christians fall in that trap as much--not as
much, maybe, but as well as sinners, people that don't have
Jesus. When I say, "sinner," it's not about the sin, it's
about the fact that you don't have freedom from sin. GLORIA:
Yeah. KELLIE: But Jesus brought--came not to condemn you
for that, "I'm not here to condemn you for that. I'm here
to give you Jesus," because He came to release us from all of
the control of those things. Even--we are not stuck with the
fruit of our own feelings, Mom. GLORIA: We choose. KELLIE: We
choose. And, you know, I've even had this revelation lately that
I haven't bounced off of you yet. So feel free to comment on
this. But I really believe it's the truth. GLORIA: Okay. KELLIE:
You know, we--I've grown up learning to not be led by my
feelings. And that's 100 percent right. I had fallen into a
place, I think, where I would rebuke--like if I felt fear, I'd
rebuke the feeling of fear. That's different than rebuking
fear. I should be grateful for the feeling of fear because, if
fear is there and I didn't feel it, I'd be in trouble. If doubt
is there and you don't feel it, you don't know it, you're in
trouble. So I quit rebuking feelings and I started rebuking
the actual existence of fear, not the fact that I felt it,
because if it's there, you want to feel it so that you can do
something about it. And that is what our feelings are for. If we
begin to understand when you feel fear, God is telling you,
"You need to do something because there's some fear there
because you felt it." Isn't that good? GLORIA: I'm thinking about
it. KELLIE: It enables us. (Both Laugh) But by the feeling of
it--God gave us feelings. He's the one who put that in us as
informants. Our feelings are to inform. Our feelings--our
physical feelings inform us something's going on, "That's
hot." Our inside feelings--our soul feelings inform us, "You've
got some doubt. You've got some fear. You've got some
anxiousness." You've got whatever that feeling may be.
And when it's something that needs to be resisted, it's not
the feeling of it you want to resist. It's the thing--it's the
actual fear. It's the actual doubt. You want to take care of
it. So I began realizing this, that we are not stuck with the
fruit of our own feeling. Like, when I feel fear--if you feel
fear but you don't have the oneness with Jesus to have the
fruit of the Spirit in your life, you're stuck with the
fear. You're stuck with that fear. But we're not like that.
We've been given His presence on the inside of us to live out of.
So for every feeling that you have, there's a Savior. For
every negative feeling, I should say, there's a Savior, because,
you know, there are positive feelings. You don't have to
resist all of them. Sometimes it's just like you feel the love
of God and you're like, "Thank You, Lord. That was--that was a
blessing to me," because you felt the love of God. He loves
you whether you feel it or not. But I have noticed that the more
in His presence I am, the more I experience His love for me, the
more I put my time in His Word as a--not as a duty, because
you're not going to feel a whole lot but frustration if you're
doing it as a duty, but when you do it as a oneness with Him,
this is how I hear from His Word. GLORIA: Well, that--all
those things are the fruit of the Spirit. As you--as you spend
time in the Word, you're spending time with the Lord,
spending time in the Spirit. KELLIE: Just like Mary. GLORIA:
And you recognize--then you begin to recognize the things
that are not--you don't have to live with-- KELLIE: Right.
GLORIA: --like sickness, disease. You don't have to be
sick because He bore your sickness. So you just--you grow
up. And the fruit of the Spirit is not a law. It's not sets of
laws, but it's--it is the result of your time with the Lord and
your knowledge of what He says, your fellowship with Him. And we
yield to the--so we don't--we don't--if the fruit of the
Spirit is love, joy, peace--so we don't yield to strife, and we
don't get upset and mad. If somebody does something wrong to
us, we forgive them so we can go free. That's a lot--that is the
fruit of the Spirit. And it's very healthy. Walking in love is
a very healthy--much more healthy than being in strife and
unforgiveness. And if you've got something against somebody,
forgive. That's what the Bible says, "Forgive if you have
anything--ought," it says, "against anybody." We are to
forgive. "Yeah, but you don't know what they did." I don't
know what they did and I don't care, but I know what they're
doing to you now. They're putting you in a place where
you're vulnerable. So we forgive. That's the best place
we can be, is to forgive and let it go. Amen? KELLIE: Well,
the--you hit the nail on the head. And when you're--people
are saying, "Well, I'm trying to forgive," then you're not doing
it out of the fruit of love and forgiveness. You're doing it out
of your own ability. And, you know, check marks to you for
understanding that you need to do it, but you're going to
struggle with it if you're doing it in the flesh. GLORIA: And
roll the care of it over on Him. KELLIE: Absolutely. And then
realize, "Okay, if I'm not forgiving this person, then I'm
not--I need to spend some time with my Savior about that and
let Him pull that out of me," because the lovely thing about
Him is, when you go to Him with something like this--just like
we talked yesterday about Martha serving in the kitchen and
her--she--He got onto her for her cares and her distractions,
but Mary, He said, had chosen the thing that was needful and
to her advantage. And He wouldn't be taken away from her.
But as we go to Him, like Mary, to sit at His feet, to hear His
Word, Mom, He will not--you know, there are some unhealthy
people in this world. There are some unhealthy people that you
think, "I have to forgive them for something new every day."
And some people-- GLORIA: That's true. KELLIE: --you know, you
can separate from. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: You
can--like--and then some people are in your family, or they're
there-- GLORIA: That's a good point. KELLIE: --and they're
always going to be around, and you have to remain healthy and
in a good place even though they're around. GLORIA: That's
true. KELLIE: But what I've found about the Lord is, not
only will He put the forgiveness in you--it's already in you, but
He will--His presence--time in His presence will bring that out
of you. And He'll begin to pull things that don't belong out of
you, in His presence. I mean, when you are one with Him and
you're spending time with Him, He will do that. But He will
also lead you in a way where you stay healthy, where you--you
know, you turn the care of someone else and what they're
doing over to Him. That's up to Him. But He will allow you to
stay in a heart-healthy place where it's not just that you're
forgiving, but you're not remain--then you begin to be
untouched by what they might try to continually do. You stay in a
good place-- GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: --because He's
leading you. He's not just about you forgiving--forgiving and
then just keep getting beat up. He's going to get--whether it's
emotionally, mentally, verbally, or just--somebody just is
unloving and uncaring, He will begin to save your situation.
GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: So I--and I had Him do this to me
recently, where He just began talking to me about something I
didn't even realize I was carrying. And He was talking to
me about forgiveness. Well, when He talked to me about it, it was
the easiest thing to do because He--it--His faith was engaged in
me being free from it as--more than mine was. I didn't even
know I needed to do it. GLORIA: You know, the Scripture says to
count it all joy when you fall into different tests and trials.
Well, that's what you did when you fell in--you counted it
what? You counted it as not important--you should have
counted it if--anyway as, "I forgive. That's over. I'm not
taking it anymore." I don't mean I'm not taking the trouble that
that caused me. I'm not taking the care-- KELLIE: That's good.
GLORIA: --of that anymore. I roll it over on the Lord. I
forgive that person. If you--if you don't forgive the person
that did you wrong, you're still carrying the care of it, and
it's still going to cost you, because faith and joy work
together. And faith and unforgiveness don't work
together. So we forgive if we have--this is a great scripture.
It covers everything. "Forgive if you have ought--" Forgive if
you have anything against anybody. What happens then? You
go free. You don't have to--you don't have to feel bad about it.
You don't have to be mad about it. If it comes back to you, you
just say, "I've forgiven that. I don't carry that care. I don't
have ought against anybody, in Jesus name." Now, that's love.
That's what love does. And love here--here's the key, too. Faith
works by love. So if you're going to be in unforgiveness,
you're not able to be in love at the same time. You forgive if
you have anything against anybody. You go free. Glory to
God. You don't have to take it. You don't have to put up with
it. You don't have to think about it. I forgive and that's
it. KELLIE: And the-- GLORIA: "Bless them, Lord." KELLIE: The
absolutely awesome thing is that when you're in His--when you're
just determined and you're in that oneness place with Him, and
you keep Him in front of your eyes--and yeah, not looking at
this, but keeping Him in front of your eyes, He'll diagnose the
thing for you. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: And there's just
something that happens when He talks to you about it. It just
seems like, "Yeah, okay." And you let go of things. When you
allow Him--we talked--the last time we were on the broadcast,
we talked about letting Him diagnose you like He diagnosed
Mary when--Mary and Martha we talked about yesterday. He
diagnosed her. And He told her what was wrong. Well, when He
does that with us, we can receive that and-- GLORIA:
That's right. KELLIE: --let go of things that have been hard
for us. So, Mom, that's just--we can't live this life without
walking in love. GLORIA: Hmm-mm. KELLIE: I'm-- GLORIA: Faith
works-- TOGETHER: --by love. KELLIE: Everything. GLORIA: You
don't forget that. KELLIE: The love--and-- GLORIA: Don't forget
it. KELLIE: --God is love. Jesus is the expression of love.
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: And He's in us. And when--but we
think, "Oh, I've got to walk in love. I've got to walk in--" No.
Just walk in Him. Stay in Him. GLORIA: Just say, "I yield to
love--" KELLIE: I yield, yes. GLORIA: "--love, joy, peace,
goodness, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness,
self-control; the fruit of the Spirit." You have that if you're
born again, that--all that fruit. You may not be yielding
to it, but all that fruit is available if you'll find out
about it and yield to it. Let it--let it tell you what to do.
"I forgive, I forgive, I forgive." KELLIE: We were
reading in Philippians 3--this picks up when we--we read
yesterday--I'm reading out of The Passion Translation in Verse
10. You know, "My doing right is by the grace of God. I will
fully experience oneness with Jesus and the explosive power of
His resurrection working in me." GLORIA: Mm-hmm. KELLIE: That's
how I do right, not because, "I'm going to do right," but by
His explosive power working in me-- GLORIA: That's a good
scripture-- KELLIE: --it propels me. GLORIA: --way to say that.
KELLIE: The Bible says, "The love of Christ compels me." You
know, everything in me that's Him, that I spend time with Him,
He develops. He can develop it-- GLORIA: Sure. KELLIE: --when I
am-- GLORIA: Free. KELLIE: And it's not--it's--yes, it's
praying. Yes, it's reading the Bible. But, Mom, I tell you
what, my worship has increased. My first open door to this new
life with Him--with Him was beginning to talk to Him about
showing me where I needed to change, allowing Him to come in
and talk to me about me. That can be one of the hardest
things. And why is it? Why is that so hard to let God talk to
you about you or even somebody else? Why is it so hard to let
someone talk to you about the--what's difficult about
dealing with you? That's a hard place for most people. GLORIA:
That's called correction. KELLIE: I know. I was trying to
phrase it another way. GLORIA: And people don't like it.
KELLIE: People don't like it. But why? GLORIA: But it's a
blessing. KELLIE: It is. GLORIA: It's really a blessing to be
corrected. KELLIE: And even if somebody's misperceived what you
meant by what you said or whatever, don't you want to know
if what you said hurt somebody? You know, and sometimes it's not
delivered in the most caring way. But you know what? You can
always take that to the Father and say, "Lord, is there
something in this that I need to see?" But when you're willing to
not be right in your own ability to be right-- GLORIA: Yeah, and
refuse to have anything against anybody. That's the Scripture.
KELLIE: Yeah. And let the Lord work things out. Let Him point
out things to you. Allow other people the time and the grace to
change. That's between them and Jesus. But when the Lord works
on you, you realize-- GLORIA: You know-- KELLIE: -- "Why is it
so hard for me to be wrong? I am human. Jesus came because I am
human." GLORIA: We have--may have already said this, but this
is a key scripture: "Judge yourself, and you'll not be
judged." KELLIE: Yes. GLORIA: So that's what we're supposed to do
when we walk out of love, when we do things that aren't right.
We're supposed to judge ourselves, repent, fix it. And
that way judgment doesn't come on us. But if you just keep
going with an old, unforgiven idea against somebody and you
refuse to let go, you'll begin to have symptoms of sickness,
disease, poverty. You open the door for the curse when you
don't walk in love. So we can do that. We can do this. Remember,
the--I think the Amplified says, "Love is not touchy, fretful,
resentful; pays no attention to a suffered wrong. Does not
rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but rejoices
when right and truth prevail." Now, let that be a standard to
you and to all of us. Be quick to forgive. Somebody does you
bad, you just be quick to forgive. KELLIE: That's so good,
Mom. GLORIA: And you go free. "Well, what about them? They did
me wrong." They're not your problem. Right now, you're your
problem. You've got to forgive. It's just that simple. There's
no way around it. We can free--or we have the power of
forgiveness because we have the love of God shed abroad in our
heart. Glory to God. Hallelujah. And we're going to practice it.
KELLIE: Well, when you practice it--and, you know, Mom, even
though you said, "judge yourself," we don't even have to
do that by ourselves. We just--to judge ourselves, we
present ourselves to Him. And He'll say, "Yeah, hmm-mm. Don't
like that." I mean, look at Revelation 3. He said, "Love
this about you," because He's talking to the Church. "Love
this, don't like this." GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: "Like this
about you, but you need to fix this. This is going to get you
in trouble." So we present ourselves to Him. It's not hard.
It's the most--I don't even know how to describe it in my life
how He's just pulled things out that were not good. But it
was--it was easy. In your worship--so spending time with
Him is judging yourself and putting yourself in front of Him
to say, "Show me." GLORIA: Making changes. KELLIE: Making
changes that He puts in front of your life. But you've got the
empowerment on the inside to change your-- GLORIA: Sure.
That's right. KELLIE: --entire world. He has empowered you to
change your family. And, you know, most families change from
one--it's like one decision made in one person's life in a family
will begin to--it's like a snowball effect in a person's
life and then a family's life and then a village's life and
then a culture and then a world. GLORIA: And what's the result?
The love of God-- KELLIE: The love of God. GLORIA: --shed
abroad in our hearts. Hallelujah. And, remember, love
never fails. Glory to God. Kellie and I'll be right back.
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