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>> Rosemary: ON THIS TUESDAY
NIGHT, JUSTIN TRUDEAU MAKES ONE
OF THE BIGGEST BETS OF HIS
POLITICAL CAREER, PUTTING
BILLIONS OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON
THE LINE TO BUILD THE
CONTROVERSIAL TRANSMOUNTAIN
PIPELINE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS RISKY MOVE
FROM ALL OF THE ANGLES.
WHAT'S AT STAKE FOR THE INDUSTRY
THAT IS SUPPOSED TO FOOT THE
BILL, FOR OPPONENTS WHO PROMISE
THEY WON'T BACK DOWN, AND FOR
LEADERS IN OTTAWA, B.C. AND
ALBERTA?
WE'LL BREAK IT ALL DOWN WITH "AT
ISSUE."
CHANTAL AND ANDREW AND ALTHIA
ARE HERE TONIGHT.
>> Ian: ALSO TONIGHT WE'RE
LEARNING MORE ABOUT
THAT HACK OF 90,000 BANK
CUSTOMERS.
WHAT COULD THE CRIMINALS DO WITH
THAT INFORMATION?
>> Andrew: AND THE "ROSEANNE"
REBOOT CANCELLED.
IT HAD REEMERGED AS ONE OF THE
MOST POPULAR SHOWS ON NORTH
AMERICAN TELEVISION BUT ABC
PULLED THE PLUGS JUST HOURS
AFTER A RACIST TWEET BY ITS
STAR.
SHOULD WE BE SURPRISED OR WAS IT
JUST A MATTER OF TIME?
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>> Rosemary: FOR MONTHS THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS SAID THAT
THE TRANSMOUNTAIN PIPELINE IS IN
THE NATIONAL INTEREST, THAT IT
WILL BE BUILT.
TODAY OTTAWA BACKED THAT PROMISE
UP WITH A CASH OFFER, BUYING THE
CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT AND THE
BAGGAGE THAT COMES WITH IT.
SO IS THIS A SOUND INVESTMENT OR
A BIG POLITICAL MISTAKE?
LET'S START WITH THE DETAILS OF
THE DEAL.
>> The Hon. Bill Morneau: THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS REACHED
AN AGREEMENT WITH KINDER MORGAN
TO PURCHASE THE EXISTING
TRANSMOUNTAIN PIPELINE AND THE
INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED TO THE
TRANSMOUNTAIN EXPANSION PROJECT.
>> Rosemary: OTTAWA WILL BUY
THE DELAYED PROJECT FROM KINDER
MORGAN, THE PRICE TAG
$4.5 BILLION, THAT'S TAXPAYER
DOLLARS THAT THE LIBERALS ARE
SPENDING, TO ENSURE THAT THE
PIPELINE GOES AHEAD.
IT COULD SPEND BILLIONS MORE IN
CONSTRUCTION.
IN RETURN KINDER MORGAN AGREED
THEY'LL GO AHEAD WITH THE
TWINNING OF THE PIPELINE WHILE
THE SALE IS FINALIZED.
THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT TO
BE A LONG-TERM OWNER THOUGH AND
IT'S ALREADY LOOKING FOR
OTHER COMPANIES AND INVESTORS TO
EVENTUALLY TAKE IT OVER.
>> The Hon. Bill Morneau: IT'S
AN AGREEMENT THAT WE BELIEVE
WILL DELIVER A REAL RETURN ON
INVESTMENT FOR THE BENEFIT OF
BRITISH COLUMBIANS, ALBERTANS
AND ALL CANADIANS.
>> Rosemary: BUT ONE THAT IS A
BIG GAMBLE THAT THE GOVERNMENT
HOPES WILL PAY OFF WHEN IT
CASHES OUT.
SO A BIG GAMBLE FOR GOVERNMENT
AND ALSO FOREVER THE PRIME
MINISTER WHEN IT COMES TO THE
POLITICS OF ALL OF THIS.
THAT'S WHERE KATIE SIMPSON
BEGINS OUR COVERAGE TONIGHT.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: THANK YOU FOR BEING
HERE...
>> Reporter: CALL IT THE START
OF THE PRIME MINISTER'S
REASSURANCE TOUR.
JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS REACHING OUT
TO BUSINESS LEADERS AT HOME AND
ABROAD TO URGENTLY
MAKE THE CASE THAT CANADA IS
STILL A POLITICALLY STABLE PLACE
TO INVEST.
>> Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau: WE'RE DEMONSTRATING
THAT, YES, WE WILL DO WHAT WE
NEED TO DO TO GET THE PROJECTS
THAT WE PROPERLY APPROVED BUILT.
[Applause]
>> Reporter: ALBERTA PREMIER
RACHEL NOTLEY IS HAPPILY ECHOING
THIS
MESSAGE SINCE THIS IS A BIG WIN
FOR HER AND HER PROVINCE.
>> THERE IS WORK YET TO BE DONE
BUT ALBERTA THIS IS A MAJOR STEP
FORWARD FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE
OF US.
>> Reporter: BUT B.C.'S
PREMIER DOESN'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
JOHN HORGAN SAYS THAT A CHANGE
IN OWNERSHIP CHANGES NOTHING FOR
HIS LEGAL CASE AGAINST PIPELINE
EXPANSION.
>> I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK FOR
THE PEOPLE OF BRITISH COLUMBIA
WITH THE FULL FORCE OF MY
EFFORTS WITHIN THE COURTS AND
WITHIN THE RULE OF LAW.
>> Reporter: THE STAKES ARE
HIGH FOR THE POLITICAL LEADERS
IN THIS THREE-WAY STANDOFF.
BUT THE PRIME MINISTER MAY BE
THE FIRST ONE TO FEEL
SIGNIFICANT CONSEQUENCES IN THE
POLLS IN THE NEXT FEDERAL
ELECTION.
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THE
LIBERALS JUST LOST EVERY SEAT IN
B.C.
THIS IS NOW THE PEOPLE OF B.C.
PROTESTING THE GOVERNMENT OF
CANADA THAT WANTS TO PROCEED
WITH THE PROJECT THAT IGNORES
OUR CONCERNS.
>> Reporter: WHEN TRUDEAU
RETURNS TO THE HOUSE OF COMMON
>> Question: PRIME MINISTER, IS
YOUR POLITICAL
CAREER AT RISK OVER THE DECISION
THAT YOU MADE TODAY?
>> Reporter: HE'LL BE EXPOSED
TO FRESH CRITICISMS FROM THE
CONSERVATIVES.
>> Andrew Scheer: HE HAS STILL
FAILED TO CREATE CERTAINTY
IN THE CANADIAN ENERGY SECTOR.
USING TAXPAYERS' MONEY IS JUST
JUSTIN TRUDEAU TRYING TO BUY HIS
WAY OUT OF HIS OWN FAILURE.
>> Reporter: AND ACCUSATIONS
OF BETRAYAL FROM THE N.D.P.
>> GIVING $4.5 BILLION TO A
TEXAS OIL COMPANY IS A FAILURE
OF LEADERSHIP THAT SHOWS THAT
PRIME MINISTER TRUDEAU HAS NO
VISION FOR THE FUTURE.
>> Reporter: TRUDEAU AND
MEMBERS OF HIS CABINET ARE
HEADED TO THE OIL PATCH TO
PROMOTE THE GOVERNMENT'S
DECISION.
THE FINANCE MINISTER WILL DO THE
SAME THING BUT ON THE
INTERNATIONAL STAGE.
HE'S HOSTING HIS G7 COUNTERPARTS
FOR A SERIES OF HIGH-LEVEL
MEETINGS LATER THIS WEEK IN
BRITISH COLUMBIA.
KATIE SIMPSON, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.
>> Rosemary: AS YOU SAW IN
KATIE'S STORY, ALBERTA'S PREMIER
IS CERTAINLY PLEASED.
RACHEL NOTLEY'S GOVERNMENT IS
READY TO PUT IN $2 BILLION
ITSELF FOR UNEXPECTED COSTS TO
MAKE SURE THAT THAT PIPELINE
GETS BUILT.
THE CBC'S ERIN COLLINS IS IN
CALGARY FOR HOW THE DEAL IS NOW
RECEIVED BY THE INDUSTRY.
>> Reporter: SUMMER IS
CONSTRUCTION SEASON IN CANADA, A
SHORT WINDOW TO GET A WHOLE LOT
OF ROAD WORK DONE.
SAME DEAL FOR THE PIPELINE
INDUSTRY.
IT'S WHY KINDER MORGAN SET THAT
MAY 31st DEADLINE FOR CLARITY
ON THE TRANSMOUNTAIN PIPELINE
EXPANSION.
AND FOR THE ALBERTA GOVERNMENT
TODAY'S PURCHASE OF THE PROJECT
BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALWAYS
BROUGHT CLARITY IN SPADES.
>> TO ALL OF THOSE ALBERTANS,
PICK UP
THOSE TOOLS, FOLKS, WE HAVE A
PIPELINE TO BUILD.
[Applause]
>> Reporter: SO TODAY'S DEAL
SHOULD GET THOSE TOOLS MOVING IN
TIME FOR THIS SUMMER'S
CONSTRUCTION SEASON.
THE BIG QUESTION?
WHETHER THE $4.5 BILLION PRICE
TAG IS WORTH IT.
>> IT'S HARD TO SAY A GOOD DEAL
TODAY.
>> Reporter: EXPERTS SAY THAT
THE FEDS PROBABLY PAID A FAIR
PRICE IF THE LINE IS COMPLETED
ON TIME AND ON BUDGET.
A BIG "IF" WITH BILLIONS LEFT TO
SPEND ON THE PIPELINE AND MORE
POLITICAL HURDLES AHEAD.
>> IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING
BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS CAN
DELAY A PROJECT WHEN IT'S PARTLY
BUILT AND YOU'VE GOT 700 PEOPLE
IN THE FIELD READY TO WORK.
IF YOU HAVE TO SEND THEM HOME
THAT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.
>> Reporter: WE HAVE SEEN THIS
STORY BEFORE FROM HIBERNIA TO
PETRO-CANADA, THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT HAS WADED INTO THE
PRIVATE SECTOR IN THE PAST,
OFTEN TURNING A PROFIT IN THE
PROCESS.
AND INSIDERS SAY THAT THIS DEAL
NEEDED TO BE DONE TO SETTLE
SKITTISH INVESTORS WORRIED ABOUT
SPENDING MONEY IN CANADA.
THE BIG WORRY NOW -- WHAT
NATIONALIZING THIS PIPELINE WILL
MEAN FOR FUTURE ENERGY PROJECTS.
>> THE RISK HAS BECOME ALMOST
TOO IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE PRIVATE
SECTOR TO HANDLE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE
SHOULD BE REFLECTING DEEPLY ON
TODAY, ABOUT HOW DID WE GET TO
THIS STATE OF AFFAIRS IN CANADA.
>> Reporter: WELL, THE FATE OF
FUTURE PROJECTS IN CANADA MAY BE
DIFFICULT TO PREDICT, BUT IF ALL
GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN
TRANSMOUNTAIN SHOULD BE PUMPING
MORE OIL TO THE COAST AND MORE
CASH INTO GOVERNMENT COFFERS BY
2020.
ERIN COLLINS, CBC NEWS, CALGARY.
>> Rosemary: NOW THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT MADE IT CLEAR TODAY
THAT IT DOESN'T WANT TO BE THE
LONG-TERM OWNER OF THIS PIPELINE
SO IT'S ALREADY
ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR A BUYER OR
BUYERS INSTEAD OF ONE COMPANY
AND IT COULD BE A GROUP OF
INVESTORS.
FROM, FOR INSTANCE, A PENSION
FUND LOOKING FOR SOME LONG-TERM
INVESTMENT WITH LOW RISK.
A FIRST NATION OR A GROUP OF
FIRST NATIONS.
OIL SHIPPING COMPANIES WHO WANT
TO GET THAT STUFF TO MARKET AND
ENERGY COMPANIES, OTHER ONES OR
POSSIBLY KINDER MORGAN
THEMSELVES.
SO WHO BUYS THE PIPELINE MAKES
LITTLE DIFFERENCE TO THOSE WHO
FEEL THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE
BUILT.
MANY ARE IN B.C. WHERE THE
PIPELINE WOULD END.
BRIAR STEWART NOW WITH THE
OPPOSITION.
>> WE ARE HERE TO FIGHT THE
SAKED REPUBLICANS OF MOTHER
EARTH, CAN I HEAR SOME NOISE?
>> Reporter: A FEW
HUNDRED PEOPLE ARE GATHERED AT
THE RALLY TONIGHT AND THERE'S A
LOT OF SIGNS PROTESTING KINDER
MORGAN AND A LOT OF THE ANGER IS
DIRECTED AT THE CANADIAN
GOVERNMENT.
NEAR THE BURNABY TERMINAL WHERE
ACTIVISTS HAVE BEEN STAGING
ANTI-KINDER MORGAN PROTESTS FOR
MONTHS, THE FOCUS TODAY WAS ON
THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT.
>> THE FACT THAT TRUDEAU IS
SUPPORTING IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT
WE'LL BACK DOWN, IT'S THE OTHER
WAY AROUND WE'LL KEEP UP AND IT
WILL BE MORE INTENSIFIED.
>> EXTRAORDINARY BURR REGARD
INLET IS THE FIRST NATION THAT
IS FIGHTING THE PIPELINE IN
COURT AND THEY'LL CONTINUE TO DO
THAT THOUGH IT'S THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT THAT IS NOW BUILDING
THE PIPELINE.
>> IT'S RIDICULOUS BECAUSE
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING
OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF
CANADA AND OUR FUTURE
GENERATIONS.
>> Reporter: B.C.'S LOWER
MAINLAND IS A KEY BATTLEGROUND
WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT AN
INCREASE OF TANKER TRAFFIC AND
WHAT IMPACT A SPILL COULD HAVE
ON THE PROVINCE'S COAST.
MANY ARE IRATE THAT THE
GOVERNMENT IS FINANCIALLY
SUPPORTING AN OIL PIPELINE AND
CANADA HAS SAID THAT IT WANTS TO
BE A LEADER WHEN IT COMES TO THE
ENVIRONMENT.
>> IT'S NEVER A GOOD IDEA TO
VIOLATE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S
RIGHTS AND FUEL CLIMATE CHANGE.
>> Reporter: JUST OVER 100
KILOMETRES TO THE EAST ON CHEAM
FIRST NATION THERE'S A DIFFERENT
ATTITUDE WITH THIS PROJECT AND
THE GOVERNMENT'S COMMITMENT TO
IT.
>> SO IT COMES RIGHT THROUGH OUR
TRADITIONAL TERRITORY.
>> Reporter: CHIEF ERNIE CREY
SIGNED A LUCRATIVE BENEFIT
AGREEMENT WITH KINDER MORGAN
WHICH SHE SAYS NOW WILL BE
HONOURED BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT.
ON TOP OF THAT HE SAYS THAT BAND
MEMBERS WILL BE EMPLOYED IN
BUILDING THE PIPELINE.
>> I HATE TO THINK OF WHAT WOULD
HAVE HAPPENED IF KINDER MORGAN
WENT AWAY AND THERE WAS NO PLAN
TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PIPELINE
IS BUILT.
IT WOULD HAVE IMPACTED THIS
COMMUNITY IN A PROFOUND WAY.
AND THAT GOES FOR THE 42 OTHER
FIRST NATIONS THAT HAVE
AGREEMENTS.
TWO POLLS ARE PEGGING SUPPORT AT
55% WHICH MEANS THAT THIS
PROVINCE IS STILL VERY MUCH
DIVIDED OVER THIS PIPELINE.
BRIAR STEWART, CBC NEWS,
VANCOUVER.
>> Rosemary: SO WHAT COULD
THROW A WRENCH IN THE POSSIBLE
CONSTRUCTION?
BRIAR SAY THAT SEVERAL FIRST
NATIONS SAY THEY WERE NOT
ADEQUATE CONSULTED AS REQUIRED
BY THE CANADIAN CONSTITUTION.
A DECISION IS EXPECTED ANYTIME
NOW FROM THE FEDERAL COURT OF
APPEAL AND IF THE JUDGES RULE IN
THEIR FAVOUR IT COULD SEND THE
PIPELINE BACK FOR ASSESSMENT AND
MORE CONSULTATION, A MOVE TO
CAUSE LENGTHY DELAYS.
AS FOR THE B.C. GOVERNMENT'S
LEGAL QUESTION ON IF IT HAS THE
RIGHT TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON
MOVING DILUTED BITUMEN THROUGH
THE PROVINCE, WELL THERE'S NO
TIMING ON HOW LONG THE TOP COURT
MAY TAKE TO SCHEDULE A HEARING,
LET ALONE RELEASE A DECISION.
SO IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT
THERE'S A LOT AT RISK HERE BOTH
POLITICALLY AND FINANCIAL WHICH
BRINGS US TO THE ANALYSIS.
ANDREW AND ALTHIA AND CHANTAL
ARE HERE FOR A SPECIAL "AT
ISSUE."
SHOULD TAXPAYERS BE CONCERNED
ABOUT YOUR RETURN?
WE'LL UNPACK IT LATER ON "THE
NATIONAL."
>> Andrew: HERE'S A LOOK AT
WHAT ELSE WE'RE WORKING ON
TONIGHT... ABC CANCELLING IT
FIFTH REBOOT OF "ROSEANNE."
KILLING ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR
SITCOMS ON TV.
>> Rosemary: AND RACIAL BIAS
IS AT THE HEART OF WHY STARBUCKS
SHUT DOWN THOUSANDS OF STORES
TODAY ACROSS THE U.S.
WE'LL LOOK AT ANTI-BIAS TRAINING
AND WHETHER IT COULD BACKFIRE.
>> Ian: WE HAVE DETAILS TONIGHT
ON THE CANADIAN BANK HACK THAT
AFFECTED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
CUSTOMERS.
THE HACKERS ARE MAKING GOOD ON
THEIR THREATS.
CBC NEWS FOUND SOME POSTED
ONLINE.
THE PERSONAL INFORMATION OF
90,000 CUSTOMERS WAS COMPROMISED
AT BANK OF MONTREAL AND CIBC'S
SIMPLII FINANCIAL.
AS AARON SALTZMAN TELLS US, THE
HACKERS HAVE NOW REVEALED HOW
THEY GOT ACCESS TO IT.
>> THEY'RE OFFERING 100% OF THE
MONEY LOST...
>> Reporter: SIMPLII FINANCIAL
CUSTOMER EVAN KOSINER
THE BAD NEWS ON THE SAME DEVICE
GOT
THAT HE USES FOR BANKING.
>> WE GOT A NOTIFICATION THAT
HACKERS HAVE POTENTIALLY TAKEN
OVER YOUR ACCOUNT AND IT COULD
BE A CAUSE FOR CONCERN.
>> Reporter: ALREADY THE
HACKERS'
HANDIWORK IS SHOWING UP ONLINE.
CBC NEWS FOUND A LIST OF 100
NAMES, B.M.O. CUSTOMERS AND
THEIR BANK ACCOUNT AND DEBIT
CARDS AND SOCIAL INSURANCE
NUMBERS, HOME ADDRESS,
OCCUPATION, MARITAL STATUS, AND
EVEN THEIR AIR MILES NUMBER, OUT
THERE FOR ALL TO SEE AND ANYONE
TO USE.
IN AN EXTRAORDINARY TWIST, THE
HACKERS REVEALED HOW THEY GOT
THE INFORMATION.
IN AN EMAIL THE HACKERS SAY THEY
USED AN ALGORITHM TO GET ACCOUNT
NUMBERS AND THEN POSED AS
AUTHENTIC CUSTOMERS WHO HAD
FORGOTTEN THEIR PASSWORD.
THAT, THEY SAY, ALLOWED THEM TO
RESET THE BACKUP SECURITY
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, GIVING
THEM ACCESS TO THE ACCOUNT.
SOME EXPERTS SAY THAT BANKS
AREN'T DOING NEARLY ENOUGH TO
PROTECT CUSTOMER INFORMATION.
>> THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY CAN
DO, SUCH SIMPLE ITEMS AS
ENCRYPTING THE DATA THAT YOU
HOLD IN YOUR SERVERS THAT EVEN
IN THE EVENT OF AN ACCIDENT OR A
MALICIOUS HACK THAT DATA IS NOT
GOING TO BE USEFUL FOR ANYBODY
THAT GETS ACCESS TO IT.
>> Reporter: WHEN THEY DO GET
ACCESS IN MOST PROVINCES THERE'S
NO RULES FORCING THE COMPANIES
TO NOTIFY CONSUMERS OF A
SECURITY BREACH.
>> WE HAVE NO IDEA OF SIZE OF
THE PROBLEM AND HOW MANY
COMPANIES HAVE PROBLEMS WITH
THIS AND HOW MANY RECORDS OF
PEOPLE'S PERSONAL INFORMATION
ARE
LOST EVERY YEAR.
>> Reporter: TOO MUCH FOR EVAN
KOSINER.
YOU ARE REMARKABLY CALM WITH ALL
OF THIS GOING ON?
>> AGAIN, I HAVE BEEN THROUGH
THIS TWO OR THREE TIMES THIS
YEAR.
>> Reporter: THAT'S RIGHT, HE
WAS ALSO CAUGHT UP IN HACKS AT
HOME DEPOT AND NOW HE CAN ADD
HIS BANK TO THE LIST.
AARON SALTZMAN, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Ian: SECURITY EXPERTS OFTEN
GIVE US THE SAME AND IMPORTANT
ADVICE -- MONITOR YOUR ACCOUNT
ACTIVITY AND CONSIDER TO PAY FOR
ONE OF THOSE SERVICES THAT WILL
NOTIFY YOU
WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES FOR CREDIT
UNDER YOUR NAME.
HAVE UNIQUE PASSWORDS AND CHANGE
THEM OFTEN.
WHY?
WELL, HERE'S WHAT HACKERS CAN DO
WITH YOUR PERSONAL
INFORMATION... THE KIND OF DATA
THAT HACKERS SAY THEY'VE STOLEN
IS VALUABLE IN TWO WAYS.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S FINANCIAL
DATA AND IT CAN BE USED TO BUY
GOODS ONLINE LIKE ELECTRONICS
WHICH ARE THEN RESOLD.
EVEN MORE ANONYMOUS, CRIMINALS
CAN BUY GIFT CARDS AND IN TURN
IT CAN BE USED TO BUY RESELLABLE
GOODS.
BUT IT GETS WORSE.
THIS IS KIND OF SENSITIVE
PERSONAL INFORMATION THAT CAN BE
USED TO TAKE OVER A PERSON'S
IDENTITY.
SO HAVING YOUR NAME AND YOUR
DATE OF BIRTH AND YOUR SOCIAL
INSURANCE NUMBER ALLOWS THE
CRIMINALS TO APPLY FOR BANK
ACCOUNTS, CREDIT CARDS, BUT ALSO
TO RENT ROOMS AND TO GET CARS,
EQUIPMENT, ALL IN YOUR NAME.
BECAUSE MANY OF US TEND TO
RE-USE OR ONLY SLIGHTLY VARYO
PASSWORD, KNOWING A PASSWORD
FROM ONE ACCOUNT CAN HELP
A HACKER TO GET TO OR AT LEAST
GUESS OTHERS.
THE DATA IN THIS BREACH CAN HELP
TO CRAFT CONVINCING EMAILS THAT
CAN PROMPT YOU TO CLICK AND
DOWNLOAD MALWARE, THAT'S CALLED
SPEAR PHISHING.
IF THEY GET AHOLD OF EMAIL OR
SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS THEY CAN
USE THAT TACTIC ON YOUR CONTACT
LISTS AND LEAPFROG TO YOUR
FRIENDS AND OTHER VICTIMS AND
THEN ON TO EVEN MORE.
BUT THESE HACKERS SEEM TO WANT
THEIR CASH FAST AND THIS MAY
NOT BE THE ONLY SCAM THEY HAVE
GOING.
THEY WANT THE RANSOM PAID TO
THIS DIGITAL WALLET IN THE
CRYPTOCURRENCY KNOWN AS RIPPLE.
IT'S BEEN ACTIVE FOR WEEKS AND
THERE'S ALREADY MILLIONS OF U.S.
DOLLARS' WORTH IN THERE.
IF YOU ARE A B.M.O. OR A SIMPLII
CUSTOMER YOU'RE PROBABLY
WONDERING IF YOU'RE AFFECTED AND
IN PARTICULAR IF YOU'RE ON THAT
LIST OF 100 NAMES THAT AARON
MENTIONED.
BOTH BANKS SAY THEY HAVE BEEN
PERSONALLY BEEN CONTACTING
AFFECTED CUSTOMERS AND THAT
THEY'LL FULLY REIMBURSE ANY
LOSSES.
B.M.O. TELLING THE CBC IN A
STATEMENT THEY HAVE BLOCKED
ONLINE AND MOBILE ACCESS TO
AFFECTED ACCOUNTS SO IF YOUR
CARD STOPS WORKING CALL THE
BANK.
FREE CREDIT MONITORING SERVICES
ARE ALSO BEING OFFERED.
>> Andrew: LET'S MOVE NOW TO A
STORY THAT HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE
TALKING TODAY, THE RISE AND FALL
OF "ROSEANNE."
HER CHARACTER ROSEANNE CONNOR
WAS BRASH, OPINION EIGHTED AND A
DIE-HARD REPUBLICAN BUT THOSE
QUALITIES GOT THE ACTOR ROSEANNE
BARR IN BIG TROUBLE ON TWITTER
TODAY.
SHE WENT TOO FAR AND POSTED A
BLATANTLY RACIST TWEET.
AND ABC ABRUPTLY CANCELLED HER
SHOW CALLING WHAT SHE WROTE
"REPUGNANT."
HERE'S STEPHANIE SKENDERIS WITH
WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT MIGHT
HAPPEN NEXT.
>> I THOUGHT THAT YOU WERE DEAD.
>> Reporter: FOR TWO MONTHS
"ROSEANNE" RULED THE RATINGS, 30
YEARS AFTER THE SHOW FIRST
PREMIERED, AUDIENCES ATE UP THE
REBOOT.
LED AS YOU ALWAYS BY THE
CHARACTER ROSEANNE CONNOR.
NOW A PROUD SUPPORTER OF DONALD
TRUMP.
>> HOW COULD YOU HAVE VOTED FOR
HIM, ROSEANNE?
>> HE TALKED ABOUT JOBS, JACKIE.
>> Reporter: ROSEANNE BARR
SHARED THAT SUPPORT
AND SHE DIDN'T MINCE WORDS.
>> YOU ARE A SUPPORTER OF DONALD
TRUMP?
>> PEOPLE ARE MAD ABOUT THAT
BUT, I DON'T GIVE A [BLEEP] .
>> Reporter: THE SHOW DEALT
WITH ISSUES LIKE HEALTH CARE, IN
AN EFFORT TO DEPICT REAL
WORKING-CLASS FAMILIES IN THE
U.S
>> WELL, I WANTED TO SHOW
ACCURATE DEPICTION OF OUR
COUNTRY AND WE ALL HAVE THE HOPE
THAT PEOPLE WILL START TALKING
TO EACH OTHER AGAIN, BECAUSE
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
>> Reporter: THE U.S.
PRESIDENT SEEMED TO RECOGNIZE
THE IMPACT.
>> President Donald Trump:
EVEN LOOK AT ROSEANNE AND I
CALLED HER YESTERDAY -- LOOK AT
HER RATINGS, LOOK AT HER
RATINGS.
>> Reporter: TODAY THAT ALL
CAME CRASHING DOWN WITH AN EARLY
MORNING TWEET ABOUT VALERIE
JARRETT, THE FORMER SENIOR
ADVISER TO BARACK OBAMA,
COMPARING HER TO AN APE.
THE BACKLASH WAS IMMEDIATE.
WITHIN HOURS THE PRESIDENT OF
ABC ENTERTAINMENT RELEASED A
STATEMENT ANNOUNCING THAT
"ROSEANNE" WAS CANCELLED.
CRITICS SAY IT'S A NECESSARY
MOVE IN A NEW ERA.
>> WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN THIS
HAPPEN WITH THE "ME TOO"
MOVEMENT AND THE CORPORATIONS
ARE FINALLY WAKING UP AND
THINKING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN
THEY CAN'T JUST THINK ABOUT THE
BOTTOM LINE.
THEY NEED TO THINK ABOUT MATTERS
OF JUSTICE AND MATTERS OF
RESPONSIBILITY.
>> Reporter: NOW RE-RUNS OF
THE SHOW ARE PULLED FROM
NETWORKS.
>> YOU CAN'T LIVE IN THE PAST,
DAN.
WHEN THINGS ARE GONE, THEY'RE
GONE FOREVER.
>> Reporter: BU JUST AS IT
BROUGHT BACK HIS CHARACTER FROM
THE DEAD, "ROSEANNE" HAS A
HISTORY OF REVIVALS.
>> I THINK THAT IN THE NEXT 24
HOURS WE'LL HEAR THAT IT WILL BE
RENAMED "THE CONNOR FAMILY" AND
THE ROSEANNE CHARACTER WILL BE
KILLED OFF AND PROBABLY OPEN ON
A FUNERAL.
>> Reporter: BARR APOLOGIZED
ON TWITTER TODAY.
STEPHANIE SKENDERIS, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Ian: NEXT UP, STARBUCKS SHUT
ITS DOORS TODAY FOR STAFF TO
DISCUSS RACISM IN THEIR OUTLETS.
WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT ONE DAY OF
TRAINING CAN ACHIEVE.
>> Rosemary: AND THE DEATH
TOLL IN PUERTO RICO JUMPED FROM
DOZENS TO THOUSANDS IN THE WAKE
OF HURRICANE MARIA.
WHAT IT ALL MEANS FOR THE
SITUATION STILL ON THE ISLAND.
>> Andrew: FIRST, WE MEET THE
NEW RECRUITS PREPARING TO
PROTECT THEIR FIRST NATIONS FROM
WILDFIRES.
>> IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
I WANT TO MAKE MY MOM HAPPY AND
SHOW HER THAT I CAN DO WHAT SHE
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>> Ian: ACROSS THE U.S. 8,000
STARBUCKS
OUTLETS SHUT DOWN THIS
AFTERNOON, BUT THE WORKERS
DIDN'T GET TIME OFF.
INSTEAD, THEY WERE ASKED TO
THINK ABOUT BIAS AND HOW THEY
TREAT PEOPLE WHO ARE DIFFERENT
FROM THEM.
WORKERS AT CANADIAN STORES GET
THEIR SESSION ON JUNE 11th,
ALL AIMED AT SHOWING STAR BUCK'S
COMMITMENT TO DIVERSITY.
>> IT'S A GOOD STANCE AND I
THINK THEY NEED TO GET TRAINING
IN THERE, OBVIOUSLY.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S
SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN JUST
THROW FOUR HOURS AT AND SAY THAT
EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY.
>> Ian: TONIGHT OUR BUSINESS
CORRESPONDENT JACQUELINE
HANSEN EXAMINES THE BIAS
TRAINING AND WHETHER IT WORKS
AND HOW IT CAN BACKFIRE.
BUT, FIRST, A REMINDER OF HOW
THIS BECAME A PRESSING ISSUE FOR
THE COFFEE GIANT.
>> WHAT DID THEY DO WRONG?
>> Reporter: TWO BLACK MEN
ARRESTED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
ORDER ANYTHING OR BECAUSE THEY
WERE BLACK.
>> WHAT DID THEY DO?
WHAT DID THEY DO?
TELL ME WHAT THEY DID.
>> Reporter: STARBUCKS
APOLOGIZED TO THE INNOCENT MEN
BUT THE DAMAGE WAS ALREADY DONE.
TO THE ACCUSED AND TO THE
COMPANY'S IMAGE.
SO STARBUCKS PROMISED TO DO MORE
TO ADDRESS DISCRIMINATION.
TODAY'S RACIAL BIAS TRAINING IS
MADE UP OF A MESSAGE FROM THE
COMPANY'S FOUNDER.
>> I WANT TO ASK YOU THAT
TOGETHER --
>> Reporter: FROM THE RAPPER
COMMON --
>> HELPING PEOPLE SEE EACH OTHER
FULLY.
>> Reporter: A DOCUMENTARY ON
FEELING WELCOME...
>> I WATCH MY TONE TO MAKE SURE
THEY DON'T COME OFF AS
THREATENING.
>> Reporter: AND GROUP
DISCUSSION.
>> I HAD TO DEAL WITH DIFFICULT
HOMELESS CUSTOMERS ALL THE TIME.
>> Reporter: A GRAND GESTURE
BUT CAN IT ACTUALLY CHANGE THE
COMPANY CULTURE?
>> TRAININGS CAN RAISE AWARENESS
AROUND TOPICS BUT ULTIMATELY
WE'RE LOOKING FOR BEHAVIOURAL
CHANGE, NOT JUST, WOW, THIS WAS
A GREAT TRAINING.
>> Reporter: SHE HAS BEEN
DOING UNCONSCIOUS BIAS TRAININGS
FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS.
THIS SESSION IS WITH EMPLOYEES
OF THE CITY OF CAMBRIDGE,
ONTARIO.
>> EVERYONE HAS BIAS AND THEY'RE
MOSTLY UNCONSCIOUS.
WE HAVE BEEN SOCIALIZED TO
FAVOUR THOSE MOST LIKE
OURSELVES.
>> Reporter: HIS TRAINING
SESSIONS INVOLVE OPEN AND
HOPEFULLY HONEST CONVERSATIONS.
>> THE FIRST WORDS, THOUGHTS OR
IMAGES THAT JUMP TO MIND FOR
YOU WHEN YOU HEAR ISLAM OR
MUSLIM?
>> OPPRESSION.
POLITICAL, MOSQUE.
>> Reporter: BUT CHAUDHRY SAYS
THAT INDUSTRY-WIDE TRAINING
STANDARDS DON'T EXIST.
>> ANYONE CAN CALL ANYTHING A
DIVERSITY TRAINING.
IT CAN BE SENSITIVITY TRAINING
AND MULTICULTURALISM.
>> Reporter: RESEARCH SHOWS
THAT EVEN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING
CAN HAVE UNINTENDED
CONSEQUENCES.
>> A LOT OF THE BACKLASH THAT WE
SEE FROM DIVERSITY TRAINING
COMES BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL THAT
THEY'RE BEING COERCED INTO IT.
>> Reporter: SHE STUDIES RACE
AND DISCRIMINATION IN THE
WORKPLACE.
>> WE CAN SEE THE STEREOTYPE
REBOUND EFFECTS AND WE SEE
INCREASED RISKS OF STEREOTYPING
AND DISCRIMINATION AFTER
DIVERSITY TRAINING THAN WE DID
BEFOREHAND.
>> Reporter: AT CHAUDHRY'S
TRAINING, ACKNOWLEDGING BIAS IS
PART OF THE PROCESS.
>> IT'S PAINFUL TO ACKNOWLEDGE
HOW PERVASIVE THIS IS IN OUR
SOCIETY.
>> I DO A LOT OF HIRING AND I
THINK THAT IT'S INHERENT IN OUR
PROCESSES.
>> Reporter: AND REAL
BEHAVIOURAL CHANGE TAKES TIME.
STARBUCKS TRAINING DAY MAY HAVE
BEEN A QUICK RESPONSE TO A MAJOR
PUBLIC RELATIONS PROBLEM BUT THE
COMPANY HAS PLANS FOR MUCH MORE
THAN TODAY'S HALF-DAY SESSION.
>> IN THE COMING DAYS, MONTHS
AND YEARS WE WILL ADDRESS MANY
OF THE FACETS OF WHAT MAKES US
HUMAN.
>> Reporter: AND TRAIN ITS
BARISTAS TO SERVE NOT ONLY
COFFEE BUT ALSO INCLUSIVENESS.
JACQUELINE HANSEN, CBC NEWS,
TORONTO.
>> Ian: AHEAD TONIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL"... SHE HAS BEEN
CASTING HER BALLOT FOR MORE THAN
75 YEARS AND SHE HAS A MESSAGE
FOR ANYONE IN ONTARIO WHO IS
THINKING ABOUT NOT VOTING NEXT
WEEK.
YOU'LL HEAR FROM MILDRED IN OUR
"MOMENT OF THE DAY."
>> Rosemary: I CAN'T WAIT FOR
THAT.
FIRST THOUGH FROM ANDREW AND
ALTHIA AND CHANTAL.
THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T BUY A
PIPELINE WITHOUT CALLING THESE
GUYS IN FOR ACTION.
YOU DON'
(*)
[SIRENS]
>> Andrew: TONIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL," A HORRIFIC ATTACK IN
BELGIUM AND QUESTIONS
WHY A MAN SHOT AND KILLED THREE
PEOPLE, INCLUDING TWO POLICE
OFFICERS, BEFORE BEING GUNNED
DOWN HIMSELF.
HE HAD JUST BEEN LET OUT OF
PRISON ON A TWO-DAY LEAVE AND
INVESTIGATORS ARE REPORTEDLY
LOOKING INTO WHETHER HE WAS
RADICALIZED WHILE HE WAS BEHIND
BARS.
THEY'RE CALLING THIS A TERRORIST
ATTACK.
>> WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE
OUT THERE WHO KNOW WHO DID THIS
AND IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO DO THE
RIGHT THING AND COME FORWARD.
>> Andrew: AND POLICE SAY THEY
STILL DON'T KNOW WHO WAS BEHIND
LAST WEEK'S BOMBING AT AN INDIAN
RESTAURANT IN MISSISSAUGA.
BUT THEY NOW BELIEVE THAT ONE OF
THE TWO SUSPECTS MAY BE A WOMAN.
WE'RE JUST GETTING A LOOK AT NEW
VIDEO TODAY AND APPEARING TO
SHOW THE TWO OF THEM RUNNING
AWAY AFTER SETTING OFF THAT
HOMEMADE BOMB.
IN ALL, 15 PEOPLE WERE HURT,
THREE OF THEM QUITE BADLY, BUT
ALL HAVE SINCE BEEN RELEASED
FROM HOSPITAL.
(*)
>> The Hon. Bill Morneau:
DIVISION AMONG PROVINCES SUCH AS
THE DISPUTE THAT HAS ARISEN
BETWEEN ALBERTA AND BRITISH
COLUMBIA CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO
FESTER IN OUR COUNTRY.
ESPECIALLY NOT WHEN THE
RESULTING IMPASSE THREATENS BOTH
THE LIVELIHOOD OF THOUSANDS OF
WORKERS AND CANADA'S SOLID
REPUTATION AS A GOOD PLACE TO
INVEST.
>> Rosemary: THAT WAS FINANCE
MINISTER BILL MORNEAU IN OTTAWA
THIS MORNING AFTER ANNOUNCING
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAD
STRUCK A DEAL WITH KINDER MORGAN
TO BUY THE PIPELINE FOR
$4.5 BILLION AND BUILD AN
EXPANSION.
A DECISION THAT HAS DEEPENED THE
DIVIDE BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBOURING
PROVINCES.
WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN
POLITICALLY?
WE CALLED AN EMERGENCY SESSION
OF "AT ISSUE" TO BREAK IT DOWN.
ANDREW COYNE IN TORONTO.
AND CHANTAL HEBERT IS IN
MONTREAL AND ALTHIA RAJ IS HERE
IN OTTAWA.
START WITH YOU, ANDREW, BECAUSE
I WATCHED YOUR TWITTER ACCOUNT
THROUGHOUT THE DAY TO SEE WHERE
YOU WERE GOING WITH THIS.
DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
BUYING A PIPELINE MAKE SENSE?
DOES IT MAKE IT LESS RISKY?
AND MORE CERTAIN THAT IT'S GOING
TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN?
>> THOSE ARE THREE QUESTIONS.
>> Rosemary: I KNOW, JUST TAKE
ONE.
>> AT MOST TIMES IT WOULD NOT
MAKE SENSE.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES
WITH THE POLITICAL RISKS AROUND
THIS, IT MAY WELL, BUT IT COMES
AT PARTICULAR RISK, CERTAINLY,
TO THE GOVERNMENT AND ALSO TO
THE TAXPAYER.
THE RISK TO THE GOVERNMENT IS
THEY BECOME RESPONSIBLE FOR A
QUAGMIRE WHERE THEY'RE RUNNING A
PIPELINE, OWNING AND BUILDING A
PIPELINE, WHERE THE COSTS ARE
MOUNTING AND THEY'RE HAVING
TROUBLE WITH PROTESTERS, FOR
EXAMPLE.
AND WHERE THEY START TO REALLY
WEAR THIS.
THE UPSIDE FROM THE STANDPOINT
OF THE PROPONENTS IS THAT IT'S
MORE LIKELY TO GET BUILT AT THIS
POINT.
THE GOVERNMENT IS CERTAINLY
COMMITTED NOW BEYOND ANY SHADOW
OF A DOUBT THAT IT WANTS TO SEE
THIS BUILT.
>> Rosemary: CHANTAL, WHAT DO
YOU THINK?
>> HOPEFULLY IT'S COMMITTED
CONSIDERING HOW MUCH MONEY IT'S
WILLING TO PUT ON THE TABLE.
I THINK THAT IT CAME DOWN TO YOU
EITHER SAW WHAT YOU SAW THIS
MORNING, AROUND THURSDAY YOU
WATCHED KINDER MORGAN PULL THE
PLUG ON THE EXPANSION OF THE
PIPELINE.
THOSE WERE THE OPTIONS.
CLEARLY, THE GOVERNMENT'S OFFER
OF A SAFETY NET IN CASE THERE
WERE THE DELAYS CAUSED BY COURT
CASES, ETC., WAS NOT GOING TO BE
TAKEN UP.
KINDER MORGAN IT SEEMS WANTED
CERTAINTY.
LET'S BE CLEAR HERE -- NO
GOVERNMENT TODAY OF ANY STRIPE
COULD PROVIDE CERTAINTY BECAUSE
THE COURT PROCESS, THE
DEMONSTRATORS, ARE ALL BEYOND
THE CONTROL OF THE PRIME
MINISTER, REGARDLESS OF HIS
CONSTITUTIONAL POWERS.
SO THE RISKS ARE ALL NOW ON
CANADA'S TAXPAYERS AND THE
POLITICAL RISKS FOR THE PRIME
MINISTER ARE MUCH HIGHER THAN
THEY WERE A WEEK AGO.
>> Rosemary: ALTHOUGH WE HAVE
LOOKED AT THIS ON THIS PROGRAMME
BEFORE.
LAST WEEK WE LOOKED AT OTHER
CASES WHERE THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT HAS BOUGHT INTO AND
INVESTED IN ENERGY PROJECTS.
IN ALL OF THE CASES THAT WE
LOOKED AT YOU GET A RETURN.
SO THE ECONOMIC RISK, I DON'T
KNOW THAT IT'S THAT HIGH,
ALTHIA.
I MEAN, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE POLITICAL
RISKS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
HERE?
>> WELL, I THINK THAT THERE'S A
POLITICAL RISK AND YOU SAW THAT
WITH THE FACT THAT IT WASN'T
JUSTIN TRUDEAU, THE PRIME
MINISTER, FRONTING THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT BUT THE FINANCE
MINISTER, BILL MORNEAU.
THE PRIME MINISTER HAD NO
TROUBLE 18 MONTHS AGO STANDING
IN FRONT OF THE NATIONAL PRESS
THEATRE AT THE SAME FORUM AND
MAKING THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE
LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GOING TO
APPROVE KINDER MORGAN.
SO I THINK THEY THEMSELVES VIEW
THIS AS SOMEWHAT POLITICALLY
RISKY.
THEY HAVE 18 SEATS IN BRITISH
COLUMBIA AND THIS IS INCREDIBLY
UNPOPULAR IN B.C.'S LOWER
MAINLAND.
THIS HAS BEEN A BIT OF A
GIFT, FRANKLY, TO JAGMEET SINGH
WHO HAS BEEN STRUGGLING TO MAKE
INROADS SO IT'S GOOD NEWS FOR
HIM.
I THINK THAT THERE ARE RISKS --
FINANCIAL RISKS, OF COURSE, AS
CHANTAL AND ANDREW HAVE
OUTLINED.
I THINK THAT ONE THING THAT IS
NOTABLE FROM TODAY'S
ANNOUNCEMENT IS THAT THE
GOVERNMENT
REFUSED TO ACTUALLY SAY HOW MUCH
THEY'RE READY TO INVEST TO GET
THIS PIPELINE BUILT.
THE $4.5 BILLION IS JUST THE
COST OF THE EXISTING PIPELINE
AND THE PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN
OBTAINED TO BUILD THE EXPANSION.
IT'S NOT THE COST OF
CONSTRUCTING WHICH KINDER MORGAN
HAD PEGGED AT $7.4 BILLION IN
DECEMBER.
THE GOVERNMENT THROUGH, YOU
KNOW, OFFICIALS THAT MEET WITH
YOU BUT DON'T SPEAK ON THE
RECORD AND THEY DON'T WANT THEIR
NAMES ATTACHED TO IT,
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FIGURE WILL BE
A LOT HIGHER AND ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT THIS IS PROBABLY A MEDIUM
TERM HOLD.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT
THEY'RE ACTUALLY REALISTICALLY
LOOKING AT GETTING RID OF BEFORE
THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR
IT.
WHICH IS A SCENARIO THEY
OUTLINED FOR US TODAY.
SO THE CHANCES OF FINDING A
BUYER BEFORE AUGUST ARE
INCREDIBLY SLIM.
>> Rosemary: THEY'RE SLIM BUT
THEY'RE ALREADY TRYING TO DO IT
ACTIVELY.
AND THERE IS ALREADY
CONVERSATIONS AROUND THAT.
WAS THE POLITICAL RISK BIGGER TO
BUY THE PIPELINE OR WAS IT
BIGGER TO WALK AWAY FROM IT,
ANDREW?
>> I THINK THAT TO ALLOW THE
PIPELINE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT
TO BE BUILT AT THIS STAGE WOULD
NOT BE SUICIDE BUT EXTREMELY
DAMAGING THE GOVERNMENT AFTER
THE MANY STATEMENTS THEY MADE
THAT IT WILL BE BUILT.
THE TROUBLE IS THAT THEY HAVE
BOXED THEM INTO A CORNER THAT
WAY.
THEY MADE IT VERY CLEAR
TO KINDER MORGAN THAT THEY'D DO
WHATEVER IT WOULD TAKE TO SEE
THAT IT WAS BUILT, INCLUDING
RELIEVING KINDER MORGAN OF THE
RISKS OR THE COSTS AND TAKE IT
ON THEMSELVES.
SO THEY HAVE PAINTED THEMSELVES
INTO A CORNER.
>> Rosemary: I WONDER TOO,
CHANTAL, WHETHER IT SOMEHOW
VALIDATES -- AND IT'S A
QUESTION, I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT
DOES -- BUT DOES
IT VALIDATE THE PROCESS TO GIVE
THE PROJECT THE GREEN LIGHT?
SO THAT FUTURE PROJECTS THAT
HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED, THEN THEY
CAN SAY, WELL THIS WORKED AND
HERE'S WHY, AND SO THEN THAT
GIVES THEM -- IT'S A QUESTION --
IT'S A QUESTION.
[laughter]
>> I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN GO
THERE BECAUSE IF THAT IS THE
PROOF THAT IT WORKED THAT WE ARE
ACTUALLY -- WE AS TAXPAYERERS --
ARE BUYING A PIPELINE.
AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT OF
CANADA BECOMES THE JUDGE AND
JURY AS TO WHETHER THE
CONSTRUCTION MEETS ALL OF THE
CONDITIONS THAT IT IMPOSED ON
THE PIPELINE, BOY, I MEAN -- YOU
KNOW, I -- I THINK THIS ENTIRE
SAGA IS BECOMING A TEXTBOOK
EXAMPLE OF WHY WE PROBABLY WILL
NOT HAVE ANYMORE OF THESE
PIPELINES TO TIDEWATER BUILT IN
THE NEAR FUTURE.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, IT IS
POSSIBLE OVER TIME THAT CANADA
WOULD GET A RETURN OR SOME OF
ITS MONEY BACK OR MOST OF IT
BACK, BUT JUSTIN TRUDEAU IS
RACING AGAINST A DIFFERENT CLOCK
WHICH IS CALLED THE ELECTION
CLOCK.
AND HE'S NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT
PROOF
BY 2019.
HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE IN THE
MIDDLE OF PROTEST
DEMONSTRATIONS, POSSIBLY SOME
CLARITY FROM THE COURTS, BUT
THIS WILL REMAIN A THORNY ISSUE
FOR HIM GOING INTO THE ELECTION.
>> Rosemary: THAT'S AN AWFULLY
GOOD POINT.
GO AHEAD, ALTHIA.
>> THERE'S OTHER THINGS.
YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
HAS MADE THIS
MANDATE ABOUT THE ENERGY AND
CLIMATE CHANGE.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY BEEN
HARD FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO
GO TO THE POLLS IN 2019 WITH
ONLY THE CARBON TAX AS PART OF
THAT EQUATION AND NO PIPELINE.
>> BUT THE DANGER BETWEEN THE
PROTESTERS AND THE MOUNTING
COSTS AND THE ELECTION IS THAT
THEY'LL JUST BE AS MOTIVATED
SELLERS AS THEY WERE MOTIVATED
BUYERS.
AND THAT SOMEBODY WILL COME
ALONG AND JUST TAKE THEM TO THE
CLEANERS WITH A LOW BALL BID AND
THEY'LL BE WILLING TO DO SO TO
GET IT OFF THEIR PLATE.
>> Rosemary: LET ME PLAY THIS
CLIP OF PREMIER NOTLEY AND
PREMIER HORGAN AND DO ONE ROUND
ON WHERE THIS LEAVES BOTH OF
THESE PREMIERS AFTER THIS.
>> NOW WE HAVE BOTH OTTAWA AND
ALBERTA, RATHER THAN GOING TO
COURT TO DETERMINE JURISDICTION
THEY'RE MAKING FINANCIAL
DECISIONS THAT AFFECT TAXPAYERS
AND THEY'LL HAVE TO BE
ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.
>> AFTER ALL, THIS IS NOT A
CONFLICT
BETWEEN THE PROVINCES.
AND THE AUTHORITY OF THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT AND IN THE INTEREST
OF ALL CANADIANS, SO WE
CHALLENGED THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT TO STEP UP, ASSERT
ITS JURISDICTION, AND DO
WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GIVE
INVESTORS THE CERTAINTY THEY
NEED TO SEE THIS PROJECT
THROUGH.
>> Rosemary: ALTHIA, YOU START
US OFF ON THIS.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT IT
LEAVES THE TWO PREMIERS?
IT LOOKS LIKE ONE IS A WINNER
BUT I'M NOT SURE, IS THAT CLEAR
CUT?
>> I THINK THAT RACHEL NOTLEY
HAS BASICALLY GOTTEN EVERYTHING
THAT SHE WANTED TO GET OUT OF
THIS DECISION, ABSOLUTELY.
SHE HAS NEW LIFE, PERHAPS, IN
THE RE-ELECTION POSSIBILITIES
AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A REAL
DISASTER FOR HER NOT TO GET THIS
PIPELINE BUILT.
FOR JOHN HORGAN HE DOESN'T LOSE
ANYTHING, FRANKLY.
THE POLITICAL RISKS HAVE NOT
BEEN ELIMINATED.
THE GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCED TODAY
THAT IT IS NOT PUSHING FORWARD
WITH LEGISLATION TO REASSERT ITS
AUTHORITY WHICH IS SOMETHING
THEY HAD ANNOUNCED THEY'D DO
BACK IN APRIL.
SOME PEOPLE MAY WONDER WHY THE
GOVERNMENT IS NOT ASKING THE
SUPREME COURT TO LOOK AT THE
B.C. REFERENCE CASE BECAUSE IT
LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE LEGAL
ISSUES HERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
RESOLVED.
AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
PERHAPS IS SUGGESTING THAT IS
NOT ENTIRELY CONFIDENT IN ITS
CASE BY REFUSING TO FAST TRACK
THAT.
>> Rosemary: CHANTAL, WHAT DO
YOU THINK THAT IT CHANGES FOR
THOSE TWO PROVINCES AND THOSE
TWO PREMIERS?
>> I THINK THAT RACHEL NOTLEY
GOT WHAT SHE NEEDED.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WILL TRANSLATE
INTO RE-ELECTION.
AS FOR THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA,
THAT'S TO THEM TO DECIDE.
BUT THE REVERSE WOULD HAVE BEEN
A CATASTROPHE AND SHE WOULD HAVE
HAD TO HAVE PULLED SUPPORT FROM
JUSTIN TRUDEAU'S CARBON PRICING
PLAN.
SO CONFRONTATION WOULD HAVE
ESCALATED.
I THINK THAT JOHN HORGAN IS
BASICALLY WHERE HE WAS BEFORE,
AND HE HAS MADE A COURT ANSWER
HIS WAY OUT OF THIS.
HE HAS A GREEN PARTY GUN TO HIS
HEAD IF HE WANTS TO KEEP HIS
GOVERNMENT IN OFFICE.
SO HE'S PRETTY MUCH TODAY WHERE
HE WAS YESTERDAY.
>> Rosemary: ANDREW?
>> I THINK THAT THIS HAS MADE IT
SLIGHTLY MORE CERTAIN THAT THEY
WILL NOT FACE LEGAL OBSTACLES.
IT'S ONE THING FOR THE COURTS TO
SAY THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE
JURISDICTION OVER A PRIVATE
CORPORATION BUT TO SAY THAT A
FEDERAL CROWN CORPORATION
COULDN'T DO THIS IS EVEN LESS
LIKELY.
AGAIN, IT'S THE POLITICAL
COMMITMENT AS MUCH AS ANYTHING
AND RACHEL NOTLEY WILL BE
REASSURED BY THIS.
I THINK THE CHANCES OF THE
PIPELINE
BEING BUILT BECAUSE OF SOME OF
THE PROTESTERS, FOR EXAMPLE, AND
SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES, BUT
IT'S CERTAINLY MATERIALLY
IMPROVED AT THIS POINT.
>> Rosemary: 30 SECONDS, I
DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT IN 30
SECONDS, SHOULD TAXPAYERS BE
WORRIED TODAY ABOUT THIS
INVESTMENT?
CHANTAL?
>> NOT YET.
WE DID BUY SOMETHING, AN
EXISTING PIPELINE FOR THAT
MONEY.
AND PRESUMABLY IT'S BEEN MAKING
MONEY.
SO I THINK THAT AT SOME POINT
DOWN THE LINE POSSIBLY.
BUT FOR NOW WHAT THE GOVERNMENT
HAS DONE IS PUT AN EXISTING
PROJECT ON A LIFELINE WAITING TO
SEE IF IT WILL SURVIVE
CHALLENGES AND DEMONSTRATIONS.
>> Rosemary: OKAY, 10 SECONDS
ALTHIA AND ANDREW.
>> I THINK THAT THERE'S STILL
UNKNOWNS, RIGHT.
WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE FEDERAL
COURT OF APPEAL WILL RULE.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT KINDER
MORGAN HAVE NOT YET DONE, AND
THE 157 CONDITIONS AND NOT ALL
ARE MET AND THERE'S PERMITS NOT
APPLIED FOR.
SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT
GETTING A PIPELINE READY TO BE
BUILT, THERE ARE STILL
HEADACHES THERE.
SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
BUT I THINK THAT THE TAXPAYER, I
THINK THAT RIGHT NOW THE
QUESTION IS WHY IS THE
GOVERNMENT NOT TRANSPARENT WITH
THEM ABOUT THE COST OF THIS
PROJECT.
>> Rosemary: ANDREW?
>> THERE'S HUGE RISKS.
THE COSTS COULD MOUNT WAY BEYOND
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD SO FAR
AND WE MAY WIND UP SELLING THE
THING AT A LOSS.
SO, YES, THEY'RE BUYING AN ASSET
BUT ONE OF UNCERTAIN VALUE.
>> Rosemary: ALTHOUGH, I THINK
IF THEY
RESELL A LITTLE PORTION OF THAT
PIPELINE TO ALL OF US OR LET US
AUTOGRAPH IT THEY MIGHT GET THE
TAXPAYER BUY-IN THAT WAY.
[laughter]
IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING "AT
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REGULAR DAY ON THURSDAY TO
DISCUSS WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH
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>>> IF YOU THINK THAT YOU'VE
HEARD THIS DEBATE BEFORE, WELL,
KEEP IN MIND THAT POLITICIANS
HAVE BEEN FIGHTING OVER
PIPELINES IN OTTAWA FOR THE
BETTER PART OF A CENTURY.
IN FACT, ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS
CONFRONTATIONS IN CANADIAN
PARLIAMENTARY HISTORY IS KNOWN
AS THE GREAT PIPELINE DEBATE OF
1956.
>> $80 MILLION LOAN IS
ESSENTIAL TO THE BUILDERS IN
THE AMERICAN-DOMINATED COMPANY.
>> Rosemary: LIBERAL TRADE AND
COMESHES COMMERCE MINISTER C.D.
HOWE DECIDED
THAT A PIPELINE TO CARRY NATURAL
GAS FROM ALBERTA WAS A NATIONAL
NECESSITY.
>> YOU WOULD SAY THIS IS THE
TOUGHEST FIGHT IN YOUR POLITICAL
CAREER?
>> BY FAR, YES, BY FAR.
>> Rosemary: HOWE WANTED TO
CREATE A CROWN CORPORATION TO
MAKE SURE THAT CONSTRUCTION ON
THE TRANS-CANADA PIPELINE COULD
BEGIN THAT SUMMER OF 1956.
ALL OF THIS SOUNDING A LITTLE
FAMILIAR?
>> The Hon. Bill Morneau:
VITAL INTEREST TO CANADA...
UNDER THE OWNERSHIP OF A CROWN
CORPORATION.
TO GUARANTEE THE SUMMER
CONSTRUCTION SEASON FOR THE
WORKERS WHO ARE COUNTING ON
IT...
>> Rosemary: 60 YEARS AGO THE
DEBATE IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
WAS ONE OF THE NASTIEST ON
RECORD OVER CONCERNS THAT
TAXPAYERS' MONEY WOULD HELP BIG
OIL IN THE UNITED STATES.
LIBERALS THOUGH USED THEIR
MAJORITY TO RAM THE PIPELINE
THROUGH.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> NOW THAT THE PIPELINE BILL
HAS GONE THROUGH THE HOUSE OF
COMMONS HOW DO YOU FEEL?
>> IT'S A GREAT RELIEF AND WE
HAD THREE WEEKS OF DEBATE.
>> IT'S NOT THE MEMBERS OF
PARLIAMENT
WHOSE RIGHTS HAVE BEEN DENIED
AND IT'S THE PEOPLE OF CANADA
AND THERE'S NO DISCUSSION
ALLOWED.
>> Rosemary: IN THE END A 3,
KILOMETRE PIPELINE WAS BUILT.
TRANS-CANADA BECAME A
CANADIAN-OWNED PRIVATE COMPANY
EVENTUALLY.
THAT PIPELINE DEBATE THOUGH COST
700 LOUIS S.T.-LAURENT'S
LIBERALS
DEARLY.
THEY LOST MORE THAN 60 SEATS IN
THE 1957 ELECTION AND
PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE JOHN
DIEFENBAKER BECAME PRIME
MINISTER.
>> Andrew: LOTS MORE TO COME
ON "THE NATIONAL."
FIRE SEASON HITS HARD AND FAST
ON THE PRAIRIES.
AND HEEDING A CALL TO ACTION.
A NUMBER OF YOUNG
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE HANDPICKED
TO HELP TO PROTECT THEIR
COMMUNITIES.
>> YEAH, OF COURSE I WAS SCARED,
YEAH.
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN IN 10 MINUTES FROM NOW OR
ONE HOUR FROM NOW.
WHAT THE FIRE WILL DO.
AND THE WEATHER CAN CHANGE.
(*)
>> Andrew: IT'S STILL EARLY IN
THE SEASON BUT ALREADY PARTS OF
WESTERN CANADA ARE BURNING.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S WELL OVER A
HUNDRED ACTIVE WILDFIRES
STRETCHING FROM B.C. RIGHT
ACROSS THE PRAIRIES.
THIS ONE IN EAST CENTRAL
MANITOBA IS AMONG THE MOST
THREATENING.
IT'S ALREADY CHARRED AN AREA
HALF OF THE SIZE OF WINNIPEG AND
IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.
HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE FROM TWO
FIRST NATIONS HAVE HAD TO FLEE,
MANY AIRLIFTED TO SAFETY BUT NOW
HOLED UP IN HOTELS WAITING FOR
NEWS ABOUT THEIR HOMES.
AND IN SASKATCHEWAN THEY'VE ALSO
BEEN DEALING WITH A MUCH HARSHER
FIRE SEASON THAN NORMAL.
THE CONDITIONS ARE TINDER DRY
AND CONSIDER THIS -- NORMALLY BY
THIS TIME OF YEAR THE PROVINCE
WOULD HAVE SPOTTED AND BATTLED
AROUND 155 WILDFIRES.
THIS YEAR THEY'VE ALREADY
COUNTED 200.
FIGHTING ALL OF THOSE FIRES CAN
STRETCH CREWS THIN, BUT THIS
TIME AROUND THERE'S DOZENS OF
NEW RECRUITS ON THE FRONTLINES
AND ONE SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN BY
THEIR FIRST NATIONS TO HELP
PROTECT THEIR OWN COMMUNITIES.
OLIVIA STEFANOVICH CAUGHT UP
WITH THEM.
>> Reporter: DEEP IN THE
BOREAL FOREST, A TACTICAL
FORMATION.
IT PUMPS WATER FROM THE LAKE TO
QUENCH THE BRITTLE EARTH.
>> YOU HAVE TO LEAN INTO IT,
RIGHT?
>> Reporter: DENAY BILLETTE
WAS CHOSEN BY
HER BAND FOR A SEASONAL CONTRACT
TO LEARN HOW TO BECOME
SASKATCHEWAN'S HUMAN DEFENCE
AGAINST WILDFIRES.
>> YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING
TO HAPPEN IN 10 MINUTES OR NOW
OR ONE HOUR FROM NOW.
>> Reporter: EVEN AFTER A
LITTLE RAIN THE GROUND IS STILL
QUITE DRY AND WITHOUT MOISTURE
IT COULD BE A BUSY SUMMER FOR
THE NEW RECRUITS.
>> WHEN THE MATERIAL IN THE
FOREST IS THAT DRY ANY IGNITION
COULD START A FOREST FIRE.
>> Reporter: CLIFF BUETTNER
HAS BATTLED
WILDFIRES IN THE PROVINCE FOR
OVER 40 YEARS.
THE CURRENT CONDITIONS EVEN HAVE
HIM CONCERNED.
HE SAYS THAT THE NEW
FIREFIGHTERS HE'S TRAINING WILL
BE CRITICAL.
>> IT'S A COMPETITIVE
OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S COMPETITIVE
IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES BECAUSE
OF THE LACK OF EMPLOYMENT.
>> Reporter: A RARE
OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MONEY AND TO
SAVE THE LAND.
>> IT IS THEIR TRADITIONAL LAND,
IT IS THEIR HOME, AND THEY WANT
TO PROTECT IT.
>> Reporter: THE NEW RECRUITS
WILL JOIN 300 OTHERS, MOST ARE
YOUNG AND INDIGENOUS.
BILLETTE IS WITHIN OF THE FEW
WOMEN.
>> IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT
MYSELF AND I CAN DO WHAT ANY GUY
CAN DO.
>> Reporter: AT AGE 24 SHE
ALREADY HAS BIG PLANS FOR WHERE
THIS EXPERIENCE CAN TAKE HER.
>> I HAVE NEVER SEEN MANY CREW
BOSS LADIES OR ANY PARTICULAR
THING LIKE THAT AND THAT WOULD
BE A GOAL FOR ME TO EVEN HAVE MY
OWN CREW OF ALL WOMEN.
>> Reporter: ANOTHER RECRUIT,
21-YEAR-OLD NICHOLAS FRANÇOIS
WAS INSPIRED TO TAKE ON THE
CHALLENGE BY HIS MOTHER WHO
FOUGHT WILDFIRES FOR OVER 20
YEARS.
>> I WANT TO FURTHER HER CAREER
AND I HAVE NEVER HAD A FATHER
FIGURE SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED
TO DO.
>> Reporter: LONG DIFFICULT
DAYS LIE AHEAD WITH IMMENSE
PRESSURE.
HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS?
>> IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT BECAUSE
I WANT TO MAKE MY MOM HAPPY AND
SHOW HER THAT I CAN DO WHAT SHE
DID.
>> Reporter: STILL THEY LOOK
FORWARD TO JOINING THE
FRONTLINES.
OLIVIA STEFANOVICH, CBC NEWS,
SASKATCHEWAN.
>> Ian: MORE THAN EIGHT MONTHS
AFTER HURRICANE MARIA RIPPED
PUERTO RICO APART WE STILL DON'T
KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED.
WHETHER BY THE STORM'S WRATH OR
ITS AFTERMATH.
THE OFFICIAL ESTIMATE CURRENTLY
BEING REVISED IS SMALL, 64, BUT
TODAY A NEW FIGURE.
MORE THAN 4,600 PEOPLE.
A DETAILED ESTIMATE FROM HARVARD
RESEARCHERS THAT IS SO MUCH
BIGGER THAN THE GOVERNMENT
NUMBERS AND A SIGNAL THAT
THERE'S STILL A BIG PROBLEM IN
PUERTO RICO.
>> President Donald Trump: IF
YOU LOOK AT A REAL CATASTROPHE
LIKE KATRINA AND YOU LOOK AT
WHAT HAPPENED HERE YOU CAN BE
VERY PROUD OF ALL OF YOUR
PEOPLE, ALL OF OUR PEOPLE,
WORKING TOGETHER.
>> Ian: IT RANG LIKE A MISSION
ACCOMPLISHED MOMENT FOR THE U.S.
PRESIDENT.
HIS VISIT TO PUERTO RICO LAST
OCTOBER SUGGESTED A REAL CRISIS
HAD BEEN AVOIDED.
BUT JUST A MONTH LATER CBC NEWS
SAW SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
HOMES DESTROYED, THEIR OWNERS
DEVASTATED.
FAMILIES LIVING BY FLASHLIGHT,
STRUGGLING WITH HEAT AND
MOSQUITOES.
AND HOSPITALS STILL MOPPING OUT
DIRTY FLOODWATER.
A CHAOTIC TIME TO FIGURE OUT A
CLEAR DEATH TOLL.
SO RESEARCHERS TRIED BY
SURVEYING MORE THAN 3,000 RANDOM
HOUSEHOLDS ON THE ISLAND AND
FROM THAT THEY DETERMINED THAT
BETWEEN THE TIME THAT MARIA HIT
TO THE END OF 2017 THAT THE
DEATH RATE IN PUERTO RICO WAS
62% HIGHER THAN THE PREVIOUS
YEAR.
THAT IS WHERE THE MORE THAN
4,600 FIGURE COMES FROM.
>> SO OUR DATA SHOWS THAT THE
PEOPLE OF PUERTO RICO SUFFERED
SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, A LACK OF
MEDICAL TREATMENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WERE A
DIALYSIS PATIENT THERE WASN'T A
DIALYSIS MACHINE WORKING FOR
MONTHS AT A TIME.
DIABETICS WHO DIDN'T GET THEIR
INSULIN AND IF THEY GOT IT
COULDN'T BE REFRIGERATED BECAUSE
THERE WAS NO POWER.
>> Ian: A GOVERNMENT-SANCTIONED
STUDY IS EXPECTED FOR LATER THIS
SUMMER.
AS FOR NOW AS THE
>> Andrew: TONIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL," WE'RE WAITING FOR
WORD ON THE STATUS OF A POSSIBLE
STRIKE BY CANADIAN PACIFIC
RAILWAY WORKERS.
A STRIKE DEADLINE HAD BEEN SET
FOR 10:00 P.M. EASTERN, BUT NO
DETAILS YET FROM THE WORKERS
UNIONS OR THE COMPANY ON WHAT'S
HAPPENING.
IF WORKERS DO WALK OFF THE JOB,
THE RAILROAD MAY BE FORCED TO
SHUT DOWN ITS FREIGHT SERVICE
AND ITS COMMUTER SERVICE, TOO,
IN TORONTO AND VANCOUVER, MAY BE
DISRUPTED.
>>> IN OTTAWA TODAY, A SCATHING
REVIEW FROM CANADA'S AUDITOR
GENERAL OF THE PHOENIX PAYROLL
DEBACLE.
>> THE PHOENIX PROJECT WAS AN
INCOMPREHENSIBLE FAILURE OF
MANAGEMENT AND OVERSIGHT, WHICH
IMPLEMENTED A SYSTEM THAT WAS
NOT READY.
THE DECISION TO LAUNCH PHOENIX
WAS WRONG.
>> Andrew: IN HIS REPORT,
MICHAEL FERGUSON SAID THAT
PUBLIC SERVANTS HAD UNCOVERED
ISSUES WITH THE PROJECT BUT
BECAUSE OF THE "OBEDIENT CULTURE
IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE," THE
ISSUES WERE NEVER PROPERLY
FLAGGED AND THAT THIS COULD
HAPPEN AGAIN IF THE CULTURE
DOESN'T CHANGE.
>> Ian: WITH NINE DAYS TO GO
UNTIL THE ONTARIO ELECTION, WE
WANT TO INTRODUCE TO YOU A WOMAN
THAT REMEMBERS HER FIRST TRIP TO
THE VOTING BOOTH IN 1928.
YES, YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT.
MILDRED MARGULIES WENT WITH HER
MOTHER AND SHE WANTS YOU TO KNOW
THAT VOTING IS IMPORTANT.
THIS IS OUR "MOMENT OF THE DAY."
>> IF YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE
CROOKS AND YOU DON'T LIKE THEM,
DON'T VOTE FOR THEM.
I WAS BORN IN DECEMBER, 1922,
WHICH MAKES ME A VERY OLD LADY.
I'M LUCKY TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY
THAT DOESN'T CARE.
I NEVER TELL ANYBODY WHO TO VOTE
FOR.
IF THEY ASK ME WHAT I THINK OF
CERTAIN PEOPLE, I WILL TELL
THEM.
PEOPLE HAVE DIED AND GONE TO
PRISON AND DONE ALL SORTS OF
THINGS FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE.
IF THINGS DON'T GO THE WAY I
WANT THEM, THEN IT'S PARTLY MY
FAULT BECAUSE I DIDN'T PAY
ATTENTION.
WE GET THE GOVERNMENT WE
DESERVE.
>> Andrew: SO SHE HAS SOME
PRETTY CLEAR FEELINGS ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF VOTING, BUT IT MAY
SURPRISE PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT SHE
STILL HASN'T MADE UP HER MIND
WHO SHE WILL VOTE FOR THIS TIME
AROUND.
SHE KNOWS SIMPLY THAT SHE WILL
BE VOTING AND WHERE SHE WILL BE
VOTING.
THE POLLING STATION IS IN HER
BUILDING.
>> Rosemary: IT'S A BANANAS
ELECTION, SO I'M NOT SURPRISED.
LAST TIME, 68% VOTER TURNOUT.
>> Ian: PEOPLE WONDER OFTEN,
DOES THEIR VOTE MATTER?
THINK OF THE PIPELINE ISSUE.
THE GREEN PARTY HOLDS THE
BALANCE OF POWER IN THE PROVINCE
AND THAT'S BECAUSE A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF PEOPLE VOTED AND DID
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T
EXPECT.
IN ALBERTA, IT'S AN N.D.P.
GOVERNMENT, SO VOTING MATTERS.
>> Rosemary: OF COURSE, IT DOES.
>> Ian: THAT'S "THE NATIONAL"
FOR MAY 29.
GOOD NIGHT.
>> Rosemary: GOOD NIGHT.
>> Andrew: GOOD NIGHT.
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