LOOOOOOREMASTERS!!!
On this episode were talking about Moria!
Moria, you fear to go in to those mines.
The dwarves delved too greedily and too deep.
You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dum, shadow and flame! *record scratch
- Ok, that was a cool scene and all, but that did not happen in the book!
Gandalf did not know there was a balrog in Moria, infact no one knew that.
If he knew there was a Balrog in there he probably wouldn't have led them straight to the balrog
So there's a lot of differences between the
films and the book and these changes often make people ask a lot of questions;
usually because the films don't make any sense.
But we here at LOREMASTERS have noticed a common question about Moria and that question is:
"Why doesn't anyone know what's going on in Moria?
Isn't Gimli a dwarf?
Don't dwarves live there?
Shouldn't he be up to date with the goin ons of Moria?
He acts like his family is there having a good ol time and then they show up and everyon's
been dead for forever.
How long have those corpses been lying there?
Shouldn't Gandlaf know what's going on, in the world?"
OK that's enough.
This particular question arises from the movies lack of time.
They can't doll out all this information like the book can so they had to change everything
and ehhhh you know.
But we here at LOREMASTERS have all the time in the woooooorld!!!
To answer this question let's start at the beginning of the First Age.
Now were gonna keep things real simple for the sake of brevity and to keep the focus
on Moria alright?
We're skipping over like, three whole books with this one page of script, so if this creates
more questions than answers for you then , I dunno...... go read the Silmarillion!
Many thousands of years ago during the First Age the elves awoke in the world,
which is called Arda by the way, and the dwarves followed soon after and some of these dwarves made
their home in Khazad-dum (it wasnt called Moria at that point).
But during the First Age Khazad-dum was waaaay over in the east and didn't really come into
the stories of that time, which mostly took place in the west.
Now the First Age ended with The War of Wrath in which the Valar banished Morgoth from the
world and in the process they really messed all the land up and what was left is what
we know as Middle Earth, and so the Second Age began!
Khazad-dum comes into more of the tales and events of that time because, you know,
it's right there, but were not really talkin about that stuff lets move on!
After thousands of years and lots of things happening the Second Age came to an end with
The Battle of The Last Alliance in which Sauron was destoyed, for the time being, and still
Khazad-dum - ok im tired of saying Khazad-dum, I'm just gonna say Moria from now on.
And still Moria was the chief city of the dwarves and actually played an integral part
in thwarting Sauron's plans of conquering Middle Earth but where not talkin about that!
anyways bam!
Sauron was defeated and the 3rd age began!
And for almost 2000 years Moria remained the capitol city of Durin's folk until disaster struck!
In the year 1980 of the Third Age Durin was killed and in the following year the dwarves
fled from their ancient home.
No one knew for certain what happened but rumor's of Durin's bane spread far and wide,
and it was after this event that the Elves called it Moria "The black chasm".
ok lets jump ahead again, a lot of other things happened in the Third Age, the invention of pipeweed,
the White Council , OK here we are - In the year 2941 of the Third Age, or 1341
by Shire reckoning, this is when the events of The Hobbit took place, and like I said
were keepin it brief but hopefully this gives you a sense of the timeline of Middle Earth,
anyways we stopped at The Hobbit for a reason!
For it was 30 years after The the events in The Hobbit that Balin set out from Erabor
with a host of dwarves to reclaim Moria, and 30 years after that the events of The lord
of The Rings took place.
So finally we arrive at the the answer to the question from several pages ago.
Moria has been vacant for nearly 1000 years when the council of Elrond takes place and
it's here that we learn from Gloin, Gimli's father, about Balin's attempt to reclaim the
long lost home of the dwarves and that they havn't heard any word from Balin for many years.
So that's why no one is really sure what's goin on in Moria; Balin and company could
be in there, they could all be dead, no one really knows.
So that answers that question.
But there's a few other questions that we see about Moria from time to time and there's
a lot more differences between the book and the film, so since were here, we might as well......
Ok - Elf runes on a dwarf door!
Despite what Peter Jackson would have you believe not all elves and dwarves hate eachother
and again this is a situation where the movie can't stop and focus too much on lore,
also I think people have enough trouble with all the names as it is.
Gandalf reads some of the runes on The Door of Durin in the film but in the book he reads the whole thing:
"The Doors of Durin, Lord of Moria. Speak, friend, and enter.
I, Narvi, made them. Celebrimbor of Hollin drew these signs."
Now you may have heard of Celebrimbor, the elven smith, hes kind of famous for, you know,
making the Elvish rings of power?!
And apparently he was friends with Narvi and helped him with his door.
We don't know much about Narvi; he was a dwarf I guess? I dunno
Alright what else happened, in Moria....
In the book Frodo and Gandalf actually had this conversation back at Bag End which is
kind of funny to think about.
Frodo hadn't even left the Shire, hadn't even left Hobbiton!
And he was already like "I wish the ring had never come to me".
This part is simply inexcusable!
They're going down and to the left!
They're supposed to go up and to the right!
HOW COULD PETER JACKSON GET THAT WRONG
It's interesting to note that this might be Ori, who was also part of Thorin's company in TheHobbit.
In The Lord of The Rings Gimli says that this last entry in The Book of Mazarbal was in Ori's hand.
So that's like a cool little easter egg I guess, having his corpse there holding the book and all.
Also there was no cave troll in the book. I mean Gandalf does say, "They have a cave troll"
but we never actually see it, this was just a large orc.
Ok this scene has always bothered us here at LOREMASTERS.
Obviously this didn't happen in the book, and a good rule of thumb is that if something
doesn't make sense or is, you know, kinda dumb, then odds are it's been fabricated for the films.
So first of all there's more than enough drama and danger in Moria without this scene.
They just fought an army of orcs and are now running from a balrog and in the next scene
Gandalf confronts the thing, so why does this scene exist?
I mean its probably here for pacing or something, which is fine, but It's kind of comical to
think that their couple of hundred pounds is gonna have any impact on which way this
800 million ton stone is gonna fall.
But even before that all of our characters do something really dumb and out of character,
which is my actual problem with this scene, they leave Frodo and Aragorn last?!
The king of Gondor and the ringbearer who is bearing the one ring!
I mean i know this is like, fake tension and that's why they're last, like we're all gonna
believe that these two are gonna die halfway through the first movie.
Sorry guys but Boromir and Samwise are more important!
But what do ya know they all survive, ok im done ranting on to the next scene!
This is one of the most accurate depictions from the book in the whole movie and there's
not a whole lot to say about it concerning a book vs. film discussion.
It was cool in the book that Aragorn and Boromir turn around and run back to the bridge to
help Gandalf, that was cool..... of course he fell before they got there
This is also a great opportuniy to discuss some lore, and we here at LOREMASTERS never
pass on an opportunity to discuss more Moria lore!
Play the intro!
looooremasters?
Ok Gandalf is on The Bridge of Khazad-dum facing off against the balrog and he says
a bunch of words.
Now a lot of people probably think he's like, casting a spell, or just saying fantasy babble,
but if you think this is fantasy babble then you don't know Tolkien very well!
Here's our LOREMASTERS take on what Gandalf is talkin about.
The first thing he says is "I am a servant of the Secret Fire" the Secret Fire is probably
a reference to the Imperishable Flame which is mentioned at the beginning of The Silmarillion
and references Illuvatar or maybe even Illuvatar's power of creation.
Illuvatar is the one who created everything in Tolkiens universe, more or less, he created
the world, elves, men, the miar which would include Gandalf and the balrog.
Gandalf's starting off by letting the balrog know that he's wise in the ways of lore,
as only another miar could be and at the same time he's saying, "Illuvatar's on my side bro!".
We basically interpret this whole speech by Gandalf as a form of intimidation by the way.
Next he says "wielder of the flame of Anor" now this is actually up for some debate.
Flame of Anor isn't really mentioned enywhere else in the writings of Tolkien but if your
up to date on your elvish then you'll know that Anor is the elvish word for Sun.
Now the sun is actually a miar like Gandalf who is holding the last fruit of the tree
Laurelin.
yep.
Im not making that up.
Thats what the sun is!
Read The Silmarillion!
So we interpret this phrase to mean that Gandalf is versed in fire magic much like Arien.
Thats Arien, the sun, the one holding the fruit, remember? is this confusing?
Anyways it's said that Arien was a spirit of fire that Morgoth failed to corrupt which
is exactly what the balrogs are!
Spirits of fire that Morgoth corrupted!
So again Gandalf is just cryptically telling this guy that he's as powerful as he is,
"oh, I see your kind of, like, made of fire, well I like fire too! pinecones!"
We thought at first that Gandalf might be refering to the fact that he wields Narya the ring of fire!
But we here at LOREMASTERS decided that that was bogus!
First of all the balrog probably doesn't know what Narya is, I mean he's been hiding underground
since Morgoth was defeated at the end of the First Age.
I mean maybe Sauron told him about it at some point?
I dunno, but Gandalf would never reveal that he held a ring of power, especially to the enemy.
Alright what's Gandalf say next, "I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor,
"the dark fire will not avail you" Now this is just Middle Earth talk for "your goin dooown!"
But really he's probably refering to Morgoth when he says "dark fire" since balrogs were his servants.
He's saying Morgoth won't help you, no one can help you now bro, YOUR MINE!
And the last thing he says is "flame of Udun" Once again Gandalf is revealing to this guy
that he's strong in the ways of lore; no one would know to call a balrog "flame of Udun"
except another Miar or maybe an ancient, powerful elf, like Glorfindel or Galadriel.
Udun is another name for Utumno which was the first fortress that Morgath made during
the First Age, go read The Silmarillion, and needless to say balrogs probably dwelt there.
So flame of Udun, flame of Utumno, servant of Morgoth, it's all one big truth bomb that
Gandalf's droppin on this chump!
He knows whats up and he's about to give him what for!
oh.
he fell.
We'd also like to point out that this is the third documented case where someone has destroyed
a balrog but also died in the process.
Gandalf can now be counted amongst the most ultimate of badasses along with
Glorfindel and Ecthelion of the fountain!
Then they leave.
So that's Moria.
And it's pretty tame as far as changes between the book and the films are concerned.
And believe us when we say that these two are entirely, completely different things!
We here at LOREMASTERS could write a whole book about how different the movies are from
the source material.
We could call it, I dunno,
The Lord of The Rings!?
Or we could make more videos....but what would they be about?
Well there's a lot of characters that have been changed in the films.
Elrond is made out to be like, a villan.
That's a crime!
Aragorn is pretty different in the books.
Some characters are kinda like, entirely fabricated, or they do things that are completely out of character.
Peter jackson was never in the books!
Ted Sandyman was in the extended editions and I think that's farmer Maggot, so I can't
really complain about them.
What else.... now I'm just rambling because the video should have faded out by now
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