(funky music)
- Hey Johnny. - Hi there.
- I've been wanting to talk to you,
'cause a few of our commenters have complained
that we have a-- - Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Our YouTube commenters complain?
- The comment was, why do we only test these high-dollar
supercars that only a billionaire could afford?
Let's test something that a real guy,
a regular Joe like you or me could drive.
- I actually agree with him, and this is the episode
that solves the problem, because this is the
non-S version of the Porsche Turbo Cabriolet.
And this is the non-Plus version of the Audi R8 V10 Spyder.
Problem solved.
- Of course, come on Johnny, what do these things go for?
- We kept it under $200,000 each.
Listen Randy, you go to war with the
army you have, not the army you want.
Plus, I think they're pretty cool.
- I think they're pretty cool, too.
So, which of these low-dollar economy convertibles is best?
- There's only one way to find out.
(upbeat music)
(engines revving)
(peppy laughing)
(tires screeching)
(horn honking)
(serene music)
So let's talk about the two cars for a second.
This is the second-generation Audi R8,
or as Lamborghini hates to hear me say it,
the cheapest way into an Huracan.
And since this is not the Plus version,
it doesn't have 602 hp, it has only 540 hp.
But it's the same 5.2L V10, revs out to 8,600 rpm.
It's hooked up to a 7-speed dual-clutch
transmission, powering all four wheels.
It's got pretty good brakes.
Mid-engine.
Looks incredible, this might be the car to beat.
- Well, in this corner, we've got the
Porsche 911 Turbo iconic Cabriolet version.
It's a 991.2, so it's the latest and the greatest version.
It's got the engine out back where god intended in 1932.
But guess what, Turbo's more torque, 88 ft-lb more torque.
That's a lot. - So 398 versus 486.
- And it's also driving a duel-clutch
transmission, Porsche's PDK.
We know, historically, that's so good.
It's running that power to all
four wheels, just like your Audi.
And even though the fronts aren't very heavy,
there's not much weight on 'em, Porsche brakes,
they're probably going to be really good.
And it's gorgeous, too. - I like that color.
- I'm not into gray. (laughing)
I know people under 30 love it.
I don't like the color, but I love the shape.
It's a beautiful car.
- Do you love convertibles?
- I'm into convertibles.
I actually owned a Mazda Miata for a year.
And it was a mission to run it
with the top down all I could.
- But you know how racing guys are, right?
I go to track days, man, I got to get that last tenth.
I can't have a convertible because the body flexes, and I'm
all about the times, man. - It's heavier maybe.
- Yeah, you buy into that? - Yeah, you're right.
Well no, these are street cars.
These are really kind of like for entertainment.
You put the top down, they feel good.
They're not race cars, even though they got so much power.
- Yeah look, if it was up to me, no cars
would even have a roof, I love convertibles.
Because look, what do we like about cars?
The way they sound. - Oh yeah.
- If your car sounds good, cutting the
top off makes it sound that much better.
- Yeah, it's stereo.
- Plus, all the senses, right?
Smell, so if you're going by a brewery,
you smell that beautiful beer bubbling.
If you're going through a high-density feed lot,
doesn't smell so good, but it's real, it's real.
- It's real. - It's just more fun.
- You know Johnny, we're doing that thing again.
- Which is that?
- That talking thing, not that driving thing.
- All right, well, how about I'll
Ro-Sham-Bo you for the Porsche?
- Okay, I'm good at this game.
- All right, ready? - You ready?
One, two, (laughing), three. - One, two.
- Randy, that's not really how you play Ro-Sham-Bo.
- Rocks, scissors.
(funky music)
(engine revving)
- [Johnny] So, what's your initial take-away of this thing?
- [Randy] Soft, comfy for a 911 Turbo, soft and comfy.
- [Johnny] Right, but big power.
- Oh, huge torque.
It's got a kind of a whooshy exhaust note.
I thought it'd be more sporty, Johnny.
- [Johnny] It is nice and big and roomy, though.
It's kind of a comfortable car.
- That's right, it's not as racy.
It seems to be comfort-oriented.
- But let me ask you this, so for
a Porsche, how's the personality?
- What personality?
- Right, for a 911, it's kind of like they baked
some Panamara or Cayenne into it, right?
- It reminds me of a private yet.
Less involving, but gets you there in a hurry.
- Plenty of power, this thing's zero
to 60 2.9 seconds, 1/4 mile 11 flat.
And again, not the S, and it's a convertible.
- Yeah, it's doing everything right.
I'm never frustrated by it.
It's always in the gear I want.
Like right now, look at that, it's perfect.
Lots of driver confidence.
I can get in a tight corner and gun it,
and I'm not afraid of when the boost
comes on 'cause I know I'll have the grip.
- [Johnny] Yeah, but I like cars that
kind of point themselves in the right direction.
- It takes more effort to get this
car pointed where you want it to go.
- If you start to think about this car,
the Turbo Cabriolet as a grand touring car though it
makes a lot of sense, right? - Yeah, it does.
- This backseat, which is not for human beings,
put a lot of luggage back there.
It's got a huge trunk, you can put bags up there.
- That's what's the great thing about having the engine
out back, is there's more room for everything up front.
(funky music)
We're at high speed now on a bumpy straightaway,
and the car has a fair amount of undulation.
It's well damped, but there's like a teeter-totter effect.
It's because the center of mass being so far back.
- Right, it's all in the back, it's all in the back, yeah.
But that's the classic 911, right?
As you go faster, the front gets lighter
and lighter and you bounce and bounce.
But I got to ask you this, 'cause we're driving it.
Does this feel like a 911?
- Not very.
- It's kind of got a baby Bentley thing to it.
- Yeah, 'cause of the comfort orientation, yeah.
- The leather's incredible, it's comfortable.
All the power in the universe.
The all-wheel drive can get you out of any situation.
But it's not sharp, like all the sharp points
were kind of filed down a little bit.
How do the brakes feel?
- Brakes have that Porsche pedal that I love.
They don't have quite the amazing bite
of the carbon brakes on a Porsche.
They get the car slowed down though, and they stay there.
- It's a tremendous all-around car.
I just kind of want a little more something out of it.
I don't know what.
A little more something. - The driver satisfaction.
- You know there's more sporty Porsche's
where the tops come down out there.
And I think as we're going to see with this Audi,
there's even sportier Cabriolets out there.
(engine revving)
(funky music)
(engine roaring)
Oh, do you hear that? - Oh, it's beautiful.
- That right there, that's the biggest difference
between that Porsche and this car, is the sound.
- [Randy] It's so satisfying.
- Yeah, let's talk about the engine, right?
Difference between it and the Porsche motor?
- Well, this car has almost exactly the same horsepower.
It is 540? - Exactly the same.
540, 540, yeah baby.
- But at the bottom end, it can feel lazy,
even with that kind of power rating.
- Yeah, it's down about I think 88 lb-ft of torque,
but it's just natural aspiration versus turbos.
Even a good turbo motor like that Porsche motor.
Any, all day, everyday.
These cars are about the same price,
but one's a V10 and one's a 6-cylinder.
Yeah, it's a flat-6 twin-turbo, but six of 10.
- Wait, what do you want? - Give me 10, yeah.
- Turbos, the great equalizer, and not only that,
they give it, the Porsche, so much more bottom end.
But then the Porsche has lag, and a V10 does not.
- This is just the way Mother Nature intended it.
(Randy laughing)
This is the proper way to burn dead dinosaurs.
- Problem is the transmission is not
as well sorted as a PDK, man.
It upshifts when you lift on the straight.
A Porsche's always already in the right gear, not the Audi.
- That's what the p in PDK should stand for, right?
Predictive Double Clunking, or whatever.
But I don't understand, right, you're Audi.
You go through the trouble of having
this magnificent engine, world class engine.
And then you have this kind of like confused,
stumbling, bumbling, mumbling transmission.
- It's even more frustrating, because in 2003
they had it right on a DSG Audi 2.0T.
That was beautiful.
- And I feel like other Audi our aids have driven,
the duel-clutch is fantastic, but this one.
- Maybe because it's not a Plus.
- Yes, yes, this one it's a little,
the mission's confused or something.
- Yeah, it could be.
- But, what's not confused is the handling.
- Oh man, I love how it handles, Johnny.
- [Johnny] It loves changing direction.
- [Randy] Does the car have MR shocks?
- It does have MR shocks. - I knew it.
Because of the way it rides so well,
but then it has this complete control when you turn in.
Audi has done a terrific job on the handling
in general, at least here on this windy road.
- What do you think of the seating position (laughing)?
- Oh, Johnny, I hate it, I hate it.
I personally could not own this car.
Too vertical, and my legs are all bent.
- Look, I respect you greatly, as not only
a friend and a coworker, but as a driver.
- Likewise. - You're incredible.
- Except for the driver part, likewise.
- (laughing) But you sit in cars weird, man.
- I'm tall. - You're not that tall.
- I like to lay back a little bit.
- [Johnny] Yes, you do.
- [Randy] There's no room to lay the seat back in this.
- See, I think this is a wonderful seating position.
- [Randy] It does suit you perfectly, I know.
- I just need like one more inch.
This is not a long distance car, this is like--
- No, not for me. - No, not for me either.
(engine roaring)
- Love the way it handles,
love the engine, love the styling.
Hate the driving position, hate the transmission program.
It's love hate.
- But then with the Porsche, you don't really
love anything, you don't really hate anything.
It's like B+, A- all the way across the board.
- All the way across.
- But are you going to remember it?
I'm going to remember this sound.
(engine revving)
I'm going to remember that going behind my head.
- Yeah, just going to the grocery
store you'll remember that.
And whereas the Porsche has kind of got that rent-a-car
thing when you're driving to the grocery store.
(engine roaring)
(funky music)
- If we were to take 'em to a race track,
'cause you're here, so maybe we should.
- I like that.
- Can we learn anything by going to the race track,
or is it just kind of filling up space in the video?
- We absolutely do not know how a car handles
until you turn the stability control off,
and drive it at the limit.
And that's what the race track is for,
and that's what I'm for.
- All right, man, let's go.
Let me ask you this though, based on what we've
been doing out here, do you have a prediction?
- I think the Porsche is going to kill the Audi.
And the reason is, I feel a lot of stability
control intervention on the R8, because it's loose.
- They're both all-wheel drive, so one doesn't
have an advantage there, but I just think this big
8,500 rpm V10, this is going to win on the race track.
- Well, Johnny.
- [Both] There's only one way to find out.
(engine roaring)
(dramatic music)
(engine revving)
(moves into intense music)
- [Johnny] What are you feeling?
- [Randy] It's balanced, I have these little
drifty moments in this 911 Turbo that I really like.
- If this was and S and it had the more power
and the more torque, would you like it as much?
- I would like more power and more torque.
It's a learning experience to drive these cars,
and it helps to understand the
difference between horsepower and torque.
Torque is what you feel.
Power is how long you feel it.
And in the Porsche, you feel that torque for a long time.
- [Johnny] Sure, cause it's like max torque
at 1,900 rpm all the way to 5,000.
- [Randy] Turbo crams it in there, whereas in
the Audi, you've got to wait for the rest.
You get direct response.
40% throttle, 40% power, and you know it.
In the Turbo, 40% throttle, 10% power.
Then a little bit later, 80% power.
- Right, so it's not one-to-one.
- No, it's like this, it's a sine wave.
(engine revving)
- So, is there anything that this car does particularly
well on the race track that you're impressed by?
- That transmission, that PDK always knows
what I want to be doing, and you know what,
it doesn't do it after, it's already there.
- It's hard to explain to people, right?
'Cause most people are like, oh man, if it's not
a manual, man, I ain't going to drive it, man.
Am I right?
- [Randy] Well, it is really easy.
- [Johnny] It's like having a co-pilot, right?
- It's like when you've been married to a partner
for a long time, and you got a great relationship.
- They anticipate your need.
That said, it sounds like what you're saying
though is the extra torque here is
going to pay some dividends on the race track.
- Let's see it on the watch.
- Let's jump into the Audi and see what that one's like.
(upbeat music)
(engine roaring)
What are you feeling?
- The control is just so perfect with this engine.
I know just the power I'm going to get,
and when I'm going to get it.
- [Johnny] Feels good from where I'm sitting.
Feels like the car is nicely rotating like a mid-engine car.
- Rotating too much, Johnny. - Too much?
- The R8 is loose on entry, and then it's pushy on exit.
- [Johnny] Oh that's bad.
If it's just loose on entry,
and then kind of neutral that's fine.
But then going to push is not good.
- It changes personality from one fwoop to the other.
Depending on whether or not you're on the power.
- On power. - Feel the vertical motion.
It's kind of soft.
And on the road, I actually think that feels really good.
While on the race track it's too soft.
It doesn't have enough vertical control and ride.
- Interesting.
- But it doesn't roll, it's great in roll.
- [Johnny] If I could be Audi's devil's advocate
for a second, they just come to you and say,
look man, this is an R8 Spyder, it's not
meant for the race track, get the Plus.
- [Randy] That's true, that's true, yeah.
- But, to be Porsche's advocate, then Porsche would say,
hey, our car's not meant for the race track either,
and it was pretty good in terms of roll and all that.
- It was pretty good in terms of balance.
It was kind of bouncy, whereas this car with the mid-engine,
it's center of mass is perfectly located.
In fact, it's located so well, it moves us
way forward and I'm kind of cramped (laughing).
But Johnny, there's a real Achilles heel
when it comes to the race track and the R8,
and it's the transmission.
What is the best thing about the Porsche on track,
could be the worst thing about the Audi on track.
This transmission is not smart, it is not intuitive.
It does not give me the gear I want.
It frustrates me, so I go to manual mode.
- Now, how is it in manual though?
- It's okay, but I got to remember what gear to use.
And the power band is kind of narrow
and you don't have that fat mid-range torque.
So, you've got to be in just the right gear.
And you know what, it's nice and smooth flat out.
- Yeah, so you were saying with the Porsche
you were drifting, and usually when you can drift
a car that means you trust it a little bit.
You trust this thing?
- No, this car I was always a little bit careful,
because I wasn't sure I could catch what
snap oversteer might rear it's ugly head.
- Okay, so if we're talking then like they're
both 540 hp, they're both all-wheel drive,
they're both on R-compound tires.
Do you think the real advantage with the
Porsche is going to be your confidence in it?
- [Randy] Spot on.
- All right, well, so if you had to guess then, sounds like
you're thinking the Porsche is going to be quicker?
- I really do because of the transmission and the power.
- Gotcha, okay. - And the confidence.
- All right, well, you heard it
here first folks, Randy's prediction.
Now we're going to go put both of these cars on the clock.
(engines roaring)
(energetic music)
Okay, okay, so the Porsche absolutely spanked,
spanked the Audi on the race track.
Kind of like Le Mans circa 2015.
Considering how even the two drop-tops are
in terms of power, weight, and all-wheel driveness,
the Porsche's victory on the track comes down to two things.
Extra torque from those turbos, and Randy's
confidence in the Turbo Cabriolet at the limit.
Beyond eight or nine tenths,
the R8 V10 Spyder just isn't trustworthy.
The Porsche, it's a Labrador Retriever.
But here's the rub, people are not
buying either of these two for track duty.
They just aren't.
Mostly because they're convertibles, but also because
if you need to take a convertible to the track,
you're going to go with the Turbo S or the V10 Plus.
And again, you'd buy the coupes,
which leads us back to the road.
Here, the Audi simply does a better job of being a
topless showstopper than the relatively reserved Porsche.
The R8's look-at-me factor is near the top of the chart.
And it's V10 wail, especially with that top stowed,
is the actual reason you'd buy such a machine.
Despite it's on track deficiencies,
the Audi simply does a better job of
being a smile and sunburn spawning supercar.
And therefore, the winner of this head-to-head is
the Audi R8 V10 Spyder.
Never go quietly.
(engine roaring)
- [Assistant] One, two, three marker, it's two.
- He's got the one-handed mark down, man.
- Yeah, well I can make my fingers look like a dog.
Woof, woo-woof, woof.
- That's the credit sequence.
(group laughing)
(engine roaring)
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