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(High expectations to boost viewer ratings)
(They've arrived)
Let's get off here.
Hello.
Nice to meet you.
You know the editorial cartoons?
He's the cartoonist for "Jangdori."
- For the Kyunghyang Shinmun. / - Right.
He will represent you
through a cartoon today.
(I'll look forward to it)
(We officially begin the interview)
Thank you once again for being on our show.
Thank you for inviting me.
So are we starting now?
Yes.
- We've started already? / - Yes.
We started in the car.
(Heh)
Our "Jangdori" cartoonist...
You came with an image already, right?
There's an image he thought of already.
I don't think...
It'll be a good image of me.
Why are you being so negative from the start?
Why, right from the start?
Right now, we're not even in power.
There's not much reason to be portrayed positively.
Is that how you think?
Let's take a look.
This isn't how I feel...
I just drew a funny image.
I created this character for you...
(So angry)
(Actual image)
(Please be understanding)
It's not too bad.
Thank you.
It's a very friendly image.
Thank you.
However...
I just live according to my personality.
(Nervous)
But Gyeonggyu is worse than me.
(Why me?)
There's actually someone worse than us two.
Kim Eojun.
(Me?)
Are you close with him?
I am.
People won't understand, but we're close.
You're totally different from each other.
But we're the same in that we live our own lives.
You didn't interview with Kim Eojun, and instead,
you came on our show.
So you consider me better than him?
No.
(What?)
That's not what I'm saying.
Kim Eojun teases his guests on purpose.
But you're different from him.
You're superior.
(That's a relief)
Thank you.
You said you wanted to be the no. 1 opposing party.
That you're an expert at conflict.
You're going at it with the ruling party right now.
In your opinion...
Is there anything you think Moon is doing right?
This isn't a time for me to point out wrongdoing.
It's only 2 months into his administration.
The new government is just getting established.
We don't want to be biting at their heels already.
So I told the party to hold back on criticism
when the president is overseas.
He's there for our nation's interest, so no criticism.
President Moon invited all 5 party leaders.
But you didn't attend.
Was there a particular reason for that?
When politics got messy, there used to
be an inter-party summit to resolve things.
(A gathering of leaders from all parties)
But after the 3 Kims era (Youngsam, Daejung, Jongpil),
the inter-party summit became meaningless.
It was wrong to attend.
And secondly, there's the Korea-U.S. FTA issue.
During the Korea-U.S. FTA agreements,
Moon Jaein and the Democratic Party
criticized me so much.
They said they'd renegotiate once in power.
But if you look at what the U.S. says...
The Korea-U.S. FTA produces
$30 million in profits for Korea per year.
And so the U.S. wants to renegotiate.
The Blue House needs to argue about that.
But during the first inter-party meeting,
if I went to argue that, it'd be bad for both of us.
So I thought it wasn't right to attend.
But from the general consensus,
we thought you didn't go because many were invited.
If he had invited you alone,
you would've attended.
I still wouldn't go.
For those reasons?
Yes, the FTA is the main topic of discussion there.
But you'll have to converse sooner or later.
I said I'd go if he invites me again.
Next time?
With all the other party leaders?
We'll see when the time comes.
So you went to Cheongju instead
and did volunteer work for an hour.
It wasn't an hour...
People talk about how I was there for 2 hours or so...
I originally planned to do volunteer work
during the time the summit was happening.
So from 12:15 to 1:56 when the summit ended.
Instead of the summit,
I went to do volunteer work.
We planned it out like that.
Employees went from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. and did it all.
The leader is there for symbolic reasons.
- For symbolic reasons? / - That's right.
The rain boots incident is a big search term.
("Embarrassing himself while putting on a show")
They helped you put on your own rain boots...
Thing is...
When you put them on, it's slippery.
So they were just holding them for me.
I put them on myself.
So you didn't ask them to do that?
They were just holding on so I wouldn't slip and fall.
That's a mud hole.
Chu Miae focused on governance
and locked arms with you.
I saw that on TV. You were surprised.
I was surprised.
The reason is...
Chu Miae and I are
from the same Judicial Training Institute class.
We sat in the same lectures.
We were in the same class,
but we never spoke to each other for all 2 years.
Oh, really?
- She was difficult to approach. / - She was?
- She is. / - Why?
She was pretty.
Since she was pretty, if I'd chatted with her...
People might think I was chatting her up.
The way I remember it,
I didn't talk to her for all 2 years there.
- Not once? / - Though we were in the same class.
You've lived around 20 years as a politician.
What do you think about politics?
Compared to your prosecutor days?
Whether I'm a prosecutor or a politician,
I start my day with conflict.
Why's that?
As a prosecutor, you're in amongst
people who are opposing each other.
You're always in conflict as you come to decisions.
Then as a politician, you have
ruling-opposing conflicts, internal conflicts...
You're living in conflict.
So this is a very difficult life.
That's why I tell my sons
not to choose a profession
that makes you live in conflict.
After living that life for around 36 years,
it's a tough life.
The life of a politician.
What do you do first when you wake up?
Facebook.
(Social media as soon as he wakes up)
To see how things are going?
And I read the newspaper.
To see how the world is running.
How long have you been a politician?
- 22 years. / - Wow, 22 years.
Former president Kim Youngsam called you
and suggested you become a politician.
How did that come about?
At the time, the National Congress for New Politics...
And Lee Gitaek's Democratic Party...
And Kim Youngsam's New Korea Party...
I wanted to join the opposing party,
but they never said they'd nominate me.
Though they called?
Then Kim Youngsam called.
- To join him? / - Yes.
He asked why a civil government prosecutor
wanted to join the opposing party.
He suggested I join his party instead.
It wasn't long after I'd retired.
So when the president called,
I couldn't help but stand up
as I took the call.
You went like this?
So I just blurted out my answer.
I couldn't break a promise to the president.
That's why I joined that party.
If you had chosen former president Kim Daejung,
your political life could've been completely different.
Most likely.
It would've been a completely different political life.
Let's look at 20 years of Hong Junpyo's political life.
- 22 years. / - 22 years...
(To be exact)
Though it doesn't make much difference.
22 years.
What are 3 things you're proud of, and 3 you regret?
First, 3 things you really think you did well.
If I look back on my entire life...
The best thing I did
was meeting my wife.
I would say it's thanks to meeting her 40 years ago
that I am who I am today.
That's the first thing.
Second...
The 1993 slot machine investigation.
About the slot machine corruption...
Prosecutors, the National Security Agency, police,
and even journalists are getting involved.
The prosecutor in charge, Hong Junpyo,
stated that politicians and journalists are suspected
of partnering up illegally with slot machine owners.
(Added pressure on many fronts during investigation)
Park Cheoleon was arrested
and found guilty of accepting bribes.
We need to pull all rotting organizations
out of our society by their roots.
And then have a new beginning.
He suggested there would be
a storm in political and journalistic circles.
The leaders of the prosecutor's office opposed it.
The Blue House prevented us from investigating.
Internal affairs stopped us from investigating.
But I persisted alone and got it done.
At first, there were no results.
But after 14 days, at dawn, I got a lead.
It was a really difficult time back then.
I was 38 years old then.
I actually considered jumping off the 12th floor
due to the psychological pressure.
But I got through it well.
You overcame it well. You're proud of that.
What else are you proud of?
The third thing...
When I was governor of Gyeongsangnam-do,
in just 3 years and 6 months, I paid off
the province's debt of around $1.3 billion.
That was without selling any province assets.
Those 3 things were
the best things I did in my life.
Then how about 3 things that you really regret?
I should've become a doctor.
But I ended up being a prosecutor, then a politician.
The right thing to do was become a doctor instead.
The second thing is, in the presidential election...
I lost.
Not because I wasn't elected,
but because I disappointed the conservative right.
I did my best, but I failed.
How were exit polls compared to expectations?
It was lower than we expected.
But you came in second.
With an election...
Second, third, or last is all the same.
Only first place gets respect in elections.
- It's heartless. / - That's right.
Second and third...
They're meaningless.
(What's the third thing you regret in life?)
- Nothing else. / - Really?
What about this? (Your eyebrows)
Don't you regret that?
When I was in that other party, I was so harassed
that all my eyebrow hair fell out.
In 2011.
My wife told me to get them tattooed, so I did.
It really stings.
I stopped in the middle of it.
It was annoying and I said I couldn't do it.
My doctor friend did it for me.
But now some eyebrow hair has grown back,
so it's okay.
It suits you well now.
It looked quite awkward at first.
But not at all now.
Youth are very interested in politics these days.
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