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>> Adrienne: ON THIS SUNDAY
NIGHT EYEWITNESS ALLEGATIONS
AGAINST POWERFUL FORCES ON BOTH
SIDES OF THE ATLANTIC.
IN A CANADIAN EXCLUSIVE A
WHISTLEBLOWER CRIES FOUL ABOUT
BREXIT'S LEAVE CAMPAIGN AND
POINTS TO A CANADIAN COMPANY.
>> YOU HAVE MEDDLED WITH -- WITH
OUR DEMOCRACY.
>> Ian: WHILE IN THE UNITED
STATES THE WOMAN KNOWN AS STORMY
DANIELS FINALLY SPEAKS OUT ABOUT
HER RELATIONSHIP WITH DONALD
TRUMP.
>> HE KNOWS I'M TELLING THE
TRUTH.
>> Ian: WILL THE ALLEGATIONS
CHANGE ANYONE'S MIND?
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>> Adrienne: YOU'VE BEEN
HEARING A LOT ABOUT FACEBOOK,
CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA AND HOW
COMPANIES CAN USE INFORMATION TO
TARGET YOU, TO INFLUENCE YOUR
VOTE.
NOW FROM WHISTLEBLOWERS WE'RE
LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE ROLE A
CANADIAN COMPANY PLAYED IN ONE
OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL VOTE
RESULTS IN RECENT HISTORY -- THE
U.K.'S DECISION TO EXIT THE E.U.
>> INDEPENDENCE DAY!
THE DAWN IS BREAKING ON AN
INDEPENDENT UNITED KINGDOM.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Adrienne: BUT IT WAS CLOSE,
51.9% VOTED TO LEAVE.>> Adrienne: BUT IT W AS CLOSE,
51.9% VOTED TO LEAVE.
QUESTION -- DID ALL SIDES PLAY
BY THE RULES?
POSSIBLY NOT AS THE CONCERN
EMBEDDED IN HUNDREDS OF
DOCUMENTS LANDING AT U.K.
ELECTORAL COMMISSION JUST A FEW
DAYS AGO, PROVIDING SOME OF THE
MOST COMPELLING EVIDENCE YET
THAT THE "VOTE LEAVE" CAMPAIGN
MAY HAVE OVERSPENT ITS CAMPAIGN
LIMITS, GIVING IT AN EXTRA
LAST-MINUTE EDGE.
A BIG DEAL?
WELL, HERE'S HOW THE
LAWYER PUTTING TOGETHER THE
DOSSIER DESCRIBED IT TO CBC
NEWS...
>> BECAUSE THE REFERENDUM WAS A
CLOSE FOUGHT CONTEST, IT'S
MASSIVELY
CONSTITUTIONALLY SIGNIFICANT.
IF THERE WAS OVERSPENDING WHAT
IS TRUMPETED AS THE WILL OF THE
PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE BEEN, IN FACT,
SOMETHING THAT WAS PAID FOR --
THAT REALLY MATTERS.
>> Adrienne: THE U.K.'S
"GUARDIAN" AND "THE NEW YORK
TIMES" AND "THE NATIONAL" HAVE
OBTAINED ACCESS TO THE
DOCUMENTS, TWO OF THE
WHISTLEBLOWERS AND THE STORY OF
THE CANADIAN CONNECTION.
IT'S A STORY THAT PROMPTED
REACTION FROM 10 DOWNING STREET.
>> WE GOT OUR COUNTRY BACK!
>> Adrienne: HOW THE BREXIT
VOTE CAME TO BE IN ANY WAY
ASSOCIATED WITH THE SMALL B.C.
COMPANY STARTED WITH AN EARLY
MORNING EMAIL FROM NOW FAMOUS
WHISTLEBLOWER CHRIS WILEY TO
ANOTHER CANADIAN, AN OLD
COLLEAGUE, JEFF SYLVESTER BACK
IN AUGUST 2013.
IT WAS ABOUT WILEY'S JOB IN
LONDON WITH WHAT WOULD BE THE
PARENT COMPANY OF CAMBRIDGE
ANALYTICA.
CBC HAS SEEN A DUPLICATE OF THE
EXCHANGE.
WE MOSTLY DO PSYCHOLOGICAL
WARFARE WORK FOR NATO, WILEY
OFFERED, EXPLAINING ITS
POLITICAL AND SOCIAL CAMPAIGNS
TOO.
YOU NEED A CANADIAN OFFICE, CAME
THE RESPONSE FROM SYLVESTER.
BASICALLY THAT'S HOW THE IDEA OF
AGGREGATE I.Q. WAS BORN.
BY 2016, IT WAS ITS OWN
COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT CANADIAN
ENTITY...
>> VOTE PLEASE...
>> Adrienne: AND A POWERHOUSE
ON THE OFFICIAL "VOTE LEAVE"
CAMPAIGN.
>> 40% OF THE LEAVE CAMPAIGN
SPENDING WENT ON THIS SMALL TINY
COMPANY ON VANCOUVER ISLAND ON
THE WEST COAST OF CANADA.
AND ITS ROLE IN BREXIT IS FAIRLY
CENTRAL BECAUSE IT MANAGED ALL
OF THE DIGITAL AND SOCIAL
TARGETING FOR THE PROGRESSIVE
CAMPAIGN FOR "VOTE LEAVE."
>> Adrienne: THAT EFFECTIVELY
MEANS PINPOINTING AND REACHING
OUT TO LIKELY SUPPORTERS.
WILEY WAS STILL IN THE PICTURE,
WAS INTRODUCING ANOTHER
FRIEND -- SHAHMIR SANNI -- TO
WORK AS A "VOTE LEAVE"
VOLUNTEER.
AS HE TOLD CBC NEWS IN THE
CANADIAN EXCLUSIVE...
>> I JOINED THE "VOTE LEAVE"
CAMPAIGN TO VOLUNTEER SEVERAL
MONTHS BEFORE THE REFERENDUM.
>> Adrienne: THERE HE IS
BEAMING IN HIS "VOTE LEAVE"
SHIRT.
HE WAS SOON ASKED TO WORK ON A
YOUTH OUTREACH ARM CALLED
BeLEAVE.
THE SMALL BeLEAVE UNIT, SANNI
SAID, TALKING TO AND TAKING
INSTRUCTION FROM THE ESTABLISHED
"VOTE LEAVE" TEAM AND MORE...
>> WE WERE BASED IN THE "VOTE
LEAVE" OFFICE AND IN CONSTANT
COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER "VOTE
LEAVE" STAFF MEMBERS BECAUSE AS
VOLUNTEERS WE NEVER SAW
OURSELVES AS HAVING FULL CONTROL
OVER THE OUTREACH GROUP BECAUSE
WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.
>> Adrienne: THAT'S
IMPORTANT -- HIS WORDS AND THE
NEW SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION
OFFER WHAT SANNI'S LAWYER SAYS
IS THE FIRST SUBSTANTIAL
EVIDENCE THAT THESE GROUPS
WORKED CLOSELY TOGETHER.
WHY DOES THAT MATTER?
>> SO THERE'S NO RULE AGAINST
COORDINATING CAMPAIGNS, THERE'S
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN TWO
COORDINATED CAMPAIGNS ARE USED
TO EXCEED SPENDING LIMITS.
THIS IS ABOUT SPENDING.
>> Adrienne: IT'S NOT CLEAR
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED BUT MONEY
IT SEEMS WAS AN ISSUE FOR "VOTE
LEAVE."
CBC HAS SEEN A WITNESS TESTIMONY
THAT SUGGESTS TOWARDS THE END OF
THE CAMPAIGN IT WAS OFFICE
CHATTER THAT "VOTE LEAVE" WAS
NEARING ITS £7 MILLION SPENDING
CAP, TO SPEND MORE WOULD BE
BREAKING ELECTORAL LAW.
BUT IT SEEMED TO BE JUST GETTING
STARTED.
SANNI, NOW IN A LEADERSHIP ROLE,
NO LONGER JUST A YOUTH BRANCH,
IT WAS ITS OWN CAMPAIGN
ORGINISATION WITH A SMALLER
SPENDING LIMIT OF ITS OWN.
ONE DATE "VOTE LEAVE" OFFICIALS
BROUGHT GOOD NEWS -- BeLEAVE
WAS GETTING DONATIONS OF ROUGHLY
£625,000.
>> IT'S CLOSE TO REFERENDUM DAY
SO BY THIS TIME WE HAD BEEN TOLD
THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE THE MONEY
TO A.I.Q. AND A.I.Q. BEING A
CANADIAN COMPANY, I GUESS, YOU
KNOW, SO WHO WERE ACTUALLY BASED
IN THE "VOTE LEAVE" OFFICE.
THEY WERE THERE TO THE LAST DAY,
THEY WERE THERE ON REFERENDUM
DAY.
>> Adrienne: A.I.Q., THAT'S
AGGREGATE I.Q.
SO THIS COMPANY THAT IS ALREADY
WORKING
WITH "VOTE LEAVE" AND HAD
WORKERS IN THE "VOTE LEAVE"
OFFICES WHO ARE NOW PAID TO WORK
WITH BeLEAVE.
WHAT DID BeLEAVE GET FOR THAT
MONEY?
SANNI MAINTAINS THAT IT WAS A
FEW THOUSAND PHONE NUMBERS AND
EMAILS.
IF HE'S RIGHT HE SAYS THAT SEEMS
LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR NOT MUCH
RETURN.
DID A.I.Q. REALLY SPEND IT ALL
ON
BeLEAVE OR DID IT GO
ELSEWHERE?
>> THERE'S A HOLE IN THIS STORY
IS PRECISELY WHAT A.I.Q. DID
WITH ALL OF THE MONEY THEY WERE
GIVEN BY CAMPAIGNERS IN THE E.U.
REFERENDUM.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT MONEY?
WHO WERE THEY WORKING FOR?
WHAT MESSAGES DID THEY PUT OUT,
TO WHOM, USING WHAT DATA?
>> Adrienne: A.I.Q. TOLD CBC
NEWS IN A STATEMENT THAT THE
MONEY IT RECEIVED WAS ONLY USED
FOR BeLEAVE'S CAMPAIGN AND
PURPOSES AND NO OTHER PURPOSE.
"VOTE LEAVE" AND BeLEAVE HAVE
BOTH ISSUED STATEMENTS SAYING
THEY WERE COMPLETELY SEPARATE
ENTITIES AND SPENDING CAPS WERE
NOT VIOLATED.
BUT THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO SIT
WELL WITH SANNI.
>> WHY ARE WE BEING CONSTANTLY
WELL WITH SANNI.
>> WHY ARE WE BEING CONSTANTLY
TOLD BY SENIOR STAFF MEMBERS OF
BeLEAVE THAT WE DIDN'T
COORDINATE WHEN WE SO OBVIOUSLY
DID?
ONE REASON THAT I'M DOING THIS
IS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF THIS
COUNTRY WERE LIED TO.
>> YOU CAN'T UNDO BREXIT.
ONCE BREXIT HAPPENS, IT'S DONE,
AND FOR ME WHAT IS SO CONCERNING
IS THAT THE SCALE OF CHEATING
THAT HAPPENED POTENTIALLY ON THE
REFERENDUM -- IRRESPECTIVE IF
YOU SUPPORTED REMAIN OR LEAVE --
THIS IS AN IRREVERSIBLE CHANGE
TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE
COUNTRY.
>> Adrienne: THESE ARE HARD
STATEMENTS TO SAY SO IN ALL OF
THIS WHAT OF AGGREGATE I.Q.?
WHAT DID IT KNOW OR DO?
IN AN EMAIL RESPONSE A.I.Q.
WROTE, "A.I.Q. WORKS IN FULL
COMPLIANCE WITHIN ALL LEGAL AND
REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS IN ALL
JURISDICTIONS WHERE IT OPERATES.
IT HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY BEEN
INVOLVED IN ANY ILLEGAL
ACTIVITY.
NOT AWARE OF ANY EVIDENCE OF
COORDINATION BETWEEN "VOTE
LEAVE" AND BeLEAVE TO BREAK
ANY RULES."
>>> WENDY MESLEY HAS BEEN
WORKING ON THIS STORY FOR HER
SUNDAY MORNING PROGRAMME "THE
WEEKLY."
WENDY, WE JUST SAW THAT THERE
ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT AGGREGATE
I.Q. IN THE UNITED KINGDOM BUT
THERE'S QUESTIONS HERE AS WELL.
>> Wendy: IT'S REALLY
INTERESTING, WE KNOW THAT THE
U.K. INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS
INVESTIGATING CAMBRIDGE
ANALYTICA.
LATE LAST WEEK IT GOT A WARRANT
TO
GO IN AND TO SEARCH THE
CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA OFFICES IN
LONDON.
AND PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION
INCLUDES THE COMPANY'S LINKS TO
AGGREGATE I.Q.
INCLUDES THE COMPANY'S LINKS TO
AGGREGATE I.Q.
SO, OF COURSE, THAT COMPANY,
A.I.Q., IS BASED IN B.C.
SO IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
IS GOING ON HERE I SPOKE TO THE
PROVINCE'S PRIVACY COMMISSIONER
AND HE SAYS, YES, THEY'RE
COOPERATING WITH THE U.K.'S
INVESTIGATION INTO THE POSSIBLE
UNAUTHORIZED USE OF PEOPLE'S
DATA FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES AND
WHETHER A.I.Q. MAY HAVE BEEN
INVOLVED HERE.
SO I OF COURSE WANTED TO KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT.
HE SAID, WELL, THERE'S AN
ONGOING INVESTIGATION BOTH HERE
IN AND IN THE U.K. SO HE CAN'T
GIVE ME ANY DETAILS.
SO I SAID THEN WHAT IS THE
GENERAL CONCERN?
>> WELL, THE CONCERN IS THAT
INFORMATION CANNOT BE DISCLOSED
OR EVEN COLLECTED OR DISCLOSED
UNLESS WE HAVE INFORMED CONSENT
OF THE INDIVIDUAL.
SO IF PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW THAT
THEIR INFORMATION WAS BEING USED
THEN THAT'S OFFSIDE WITH OUR
PRIVACY LEGISLATION HERE IN
B.C..
AND WE WANT TO KNOW THE FACTS
AROUND, DID THEY COLLECT
INFORMATION, DID THEY USE IT?
AND DID THEY DISCLOSE IT TO
ANYONE ELSE FOR PURPOSES THAT
PEOPLE MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF?
>> Adrienne: SO WE KNOW THAT
A.I.Q. KNOWS ABOUT ALL OF THESE
INQUIRIES BUT WHAT ARE THEY
ACTUALLY SAYING?
>> Wendy: WELL, A.I.Q. IS NOT
GIVING INTERVIEWS ANY LONGER BUT
THEY SAY THEY ARE COOPERATING
WITH THEIR
INVESTIGATION.
AND THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN PART OF
S.C.L. BUT THAT'S ODD BECAUSE
THE CO-FOUNDER OF A.I.Q. TOLD ME
A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT IT SOLD
ITS DATA TECHNOLOGY TO S.C.L.,
THE PARENT COMPANY OF CAMBRIDGE
ANALYTICA.
SO THERE ARE SOME LINKS HERE,
WHAT ARE THEY EXACTLY?
WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE
INVESTIGATORS TO REPORT.
>> Adrienne: OKAY, A LOT MORE
TO COME.
WENDY MESLEY, THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.
>> Wendy: OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> Ian: THOSE INVESTIGATIONS ARE
TOP OF MIND IN BRITAIN'S HALLS
OF POWER.
THERESA MAY IS FACING CRITICAL
NEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BREXIT
VOTE.
THAT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO NOW
ADVISE THE BRITISH PRIME
MINISTER ARE DIRECTLY LINKED TO
THESE NEW ALLEGATIONS.
THOMAS DAIGLE PICKS UP THE STORY
FROM LONDON.
>> Reporter: AS BREXIT DRAWS
CLOSER, PEOPLE HERE LOOK BACK AT
THE REFERENDUM WITH MORE AND
MORE QUESTIONS AND SECOND
THOUGHTS ARE TURNING BITTER.
>> I CAN SEE THAT THERE COULD BE
SOME UNDERHAND BUSINESS GOING ON
AND WE ALL GOT SUCKED INTO IT.
>> WELL, IF IT'S TRUE IT'S
REALLY UNFORGIVABLE.
BUT, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT THE FACTS WERE.
>> Reporter: THAT'S WHERE KYLE
TAILOR COMES IN, A
CANADIAN-AMERICAN ACTIVIST FOR
ELECTRICAL
TRANSPARENCY BASED IN THE U.K.
>> HERE ON THE EVIDENCE PAGE WE
HAVE WHAT THE ELECTORAL
COMMISSION SAYS IS OF
COORDINATION...
>> Reporter: HIS FAIR VOTE
CAMPAIGN IS SHARING THE
WHISTLEBLOWERS' EMAILS AND
DOCUMENTS FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY
TO SEE.
FILES THAT PURPORTEDLY SHOW
COORDINATION BETWEEN THE BREXIT
CAMPAIGNS THAT MAY HAVE ALLOW
"VOTE LEAVE" TO CHEAT.
>> I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE
OUTRAGED AND WORRIED BECAUSE
WHAT HAPPENED HERE CAN HAPPEN
AGAIN AND FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN
HAS HAPPENED AROUND THE WORLD.
HAS HAPPENED AROUND THE WORLD.
>> Reporter: BORIS JOHNSON, A
LEADING VOICE FOR BREXIT AND NOW
BRITAIN'S FOREIGN SECRETARY,
CALLED THE ALLEGATIONS "UTTERLY
LUDICROUS."
"VOTE LEAVE" WON FAIR AND
SQUARE, HE TWEETED.
>> THE INDIVIDUALS CONCERNED
HAVE DENIED IT.
IT'S REALLY A MATTER, IF THERE'S
ANY THOUGHT AT ALL FOR THE
ELECTORAL COMMISSION TO
INVESTIGATE.
>> Reporter: MAKING MATTERS
EVEN MORE AWKWARD AT 10 DOWNING
STREET, TWO OF THE "VOTE LEAVE"
OFFICIALS UNDER MEDIA SCRUTINY
NOW WORK HERE AS ADVISERS TO THE
PRIME MINISTER.
ONE OF THEM, STEPHEN PARKINSON,
RESPONDED TO THE ALLEGATIONS BY
DENYING WRONGDOING AND REVEALING
HIS PAST RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
WHISTLEBLOWER SHAHMIR SANNI.
>> OUTING HIM AS GAY TO THE
FAMILY AND THE WORLD, THE FAMILY
HE HAS IN PAKISTAN WHO ARE NOW
FEARING
FOR THEIR SAFETY.
WHAT HAVE WE COME TO?
>> Reporter: THIS M.P. SAYS
THAT AN INVESTIGATION BY THE
ELECTIONS WATCHDOG ISN'T ENOUGH.
>> POLICE NEED TO COME IN, I
MEAN, THIS IS CRIMINAL LAW
BREAKING IF IT'S TRUE.
>> Reporter: THERE'S NO PLAN
FOR BRITONS TO GET A SECOND SAY
ON LEAVING THE E.U.
THE COUNTRY CONTINUES ITS SLOW
DRIFT TOWARD BREXIT.
DRIFT TOWARD BREXIT.
THE TRUTH AROUND THE VOTE IS AS
MURKY AS EVER.
THOMAS DAIGLE, CBC NEWS, LONDON.
>> Ian: SO, ADRIENNE, WHAT'S
NEXT IN ALL OF THIS?
>> Adrienne: TOMORROW THE TWO
WHISTLEBLOWERS WOULD HOLD A NEWS
CONFERENCE IN THE U.K. AND THOSE
DOCUMENTS WILL LAND ON THE DESK
OF SOME INVESTIGATORS AND SOME
PARLIAMENTARIANS SO MORE THAN
LIKELY THIS WILL STRETCH OUT A
BIT.
>> Ian: AND OUR COVERAGE ON IT
WILL CONTINUE.
BUT LET'S TURN NOW TO A
DIFFERENT KIND OF POLITICAL
CONTROVERSY, THIS ONE IS IN THE
UNITED STATES.
MILLIONS HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE
CBS NEWS PROGRAMME "60 MINUTES"
TONIGHT WONDERING DID STORMY
DANIELS LIVE UP TO HEAR STAGE
NAME?
SHE'S BEEN THE EYE OF A
HURRICANE AROUND PRESIDENT TRUMP
FOR WEEKS.
UNTIL NOW DANIELS HAS REMAINED
SILENT ABOUT THAT ALLEGED SEXUAL
ENCOUNTER WITH TRUMP THE
BILLIONAIRE BUSINESSMAN MORE
THAN A DECADE AGO AND THE
PAYMENT THAT SHE RECEIVED FROM
TRUMP'S LAWYER THAT SOME ARE
DESCRIBING AS "HUSH MONEY."
SO WHAT DID SHE SAY?
ELLEN MAURO HAS DETAILS.
>> Question: ARE YOU GOING TO
WATCH "60 MINUTES?"
>> Reporter: DONALD TRUMP HAD
NO RESPONSE TO REPORTERS AS HE
ARRIVED AT THE WHITE HOUSE AFTER
A WEEKEND AT HIS FLORIDA
RETREAT.
BUT HE HAD TO KNOW THAT THIS WAS
COMING.
>> BECAUSE IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT
TO ME TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND
MYSELF.
>> Reporter: STORMY DANIEL'S
FIRST TELEVISION INTERVIEW ON
HER ALLEGED SEXUAL ENCOUNTER
WITH THE PRESIDENT.
>> Reporter: YOU TOLD DONALD
TRUMP TO TURN AROUND AND TAKE
OFF HIS PANTS?
>> YES.
>> Reporter: AND DID HE?
>> YES.
SO HE TURNED AROUND AND PULLED
HIS PANTS DOWN A LITTLE AND HE
HAD UNDERWEAR ON AND STUFF.
AND I JUST GAVE HIM A COUPLE
SWATS.
>> Reporter: DANIEL'S, A PORN
ACTRESS SAID SHE HAD SEX WITH
TRUMP JUST ONCE BACK IN 2006.
SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS TOLD TO
KEEP QUIET OR ELSE.
>> A GUY WALKED UP ON ME AND
SAID TO ME, LEAVE TRUMP ALONE,
FORGET THE STORY.
AND THEN HE LEANED AROUND AND
LOOKED AT MY DAUGHTER, SAID A
BEAUTIFUL LITTLE GIRL.
IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF SOMETHING
HAPPENED TO HER MOM AND THEN HE
WAS GONE.
>> Reporter: DANIELS DISCUSSED
A $130,000 PAYMENT SHE RECEIVED
FROM TRUMP'S PERSONAL LAWYER,
DANIEL COHN.
A SO-CALLED HUSH AGREEMENT
SIGNED JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION
COHN NOW SAID THAT HE PAID OUT
OF HIS OWN POCKET AND WAS NOT
REIMBURSED BY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN
BUT IT COULD BE A BIG PROBLEM
FOR THE PRESIDENT.
>> IT'S A $130,000 IN-KIND
CONTRIBUTION BY COHN TO THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN WHICH IS ABOUT
$126,500 ABOVE WHAT HE'S ALLOWED
TO GIVE.
AND IF HE DOES THIS ON BEHALF OF
HIS CLIENT, "THE CANDIDATE,"
THAT
IS A COORDINATED ILLEGAL IN-KIND
CONTRIBUTION BY COHN FOR THE
PURPOSE OF INFLUENCING THE
ELECTION.
>> I THINK THAT I ENDED THE
RELATIONSHIP...
>> Reporter: DANIEL'S
INTERVIEW COMES DAYS AFTER
THIS...
>> SOMEBODY IS LYING AND I CAN
TELL YOU THAT IT'S NOT ME.
>> Reporter: FORMER PLAYBOY
PLAYMATE KAREN McDOUGAL
TALKING ABOUT HER ALLEGED AFFAIR
WITH TRUMP.
TRUMP HAS BEEN QUIET.
>> THE PRESIDENT WATCHES 60
MINUTES AND HE'S WATCHING
TONIGHT WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO
HIM?
>> HE KNOWS THAT I'M TELLING THE
TRUTH.
>> Reporter: ELLEN MAURO, CBC
NEWS, WASHINGTON.
>> Ian: SO FAR DONALD TRUMP HAS
BEEN THE HOUDINI OF POLITICAL
SCANDAL, ALWAYS ESCAPING, BUT
STORMY DANIELS REPRESENTS
ONE-THIRD OF THE LITIGATION
THAT COULD CAUSE AN
EMBARRASSMENT.
>> AFTER WE HAD BEEN INTIMATE HE
TRIED TO PAY ME AND I ACTUALLY
DID NOT TAKE THAT.
>> Ian: KAREN McDOUGAL WAS A
PLAYBOY MODEL IN 2006 WHEN SHE
MET THE MARRIED DONALD TRUMP AND
BEGAN A 10-MONTH AFFAIR.
>> Reporter: WERE YOU IN LOVE
WITH HIM?
>> I WAS, YEAH.
>> Ian: THEN DURING THE
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THE
COMPANY THAT OWNS "THE NATIONAL
ENQUIRER" PAID McDOUGAL
$150,000 FOR HER STORY BUT IT
WAS NEVER PUBLISHED.
McDOUGAL NOW SAYS THAT SHE WAS
MISLED AND SUED TO INVALIDATE
THE CONTRACT.
>> I'M NOT OUT TO MAKE MONEY ON
THIS AND I'M OUT TO GET MY
RIGHTS BACK TO PROVE A CONTRACT
THAT WAS ILLEGAL AND TAKEN
ADVANTAGE OF AND THEN GO BACK TO
MY LIFE.
>> Ian: IN THE THIRD CASE SUMMER
ZERVO, A FORMER CONTESTANT ON
"THE
APREVENTIS" IS SERVING THE
PRESIDENT FOR DEFAMATION AFTER
HE BLASTED HER ALLEGATIONS THAT
SHE WAS SEXUALLY HARASSED.
>> HE PUT ME IN AN EMBRACE AND I
TRIED TO PUSH HIM AWAY.
>> Ian: THIS WEEK A NEW YORK
JUDGE RULED THAT HER SUIT COULD
PROCEED SO THREE CASES WHICH
RAISE THE SPECTRE OF DONALD
TRUMP HAVING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS
UNDER OATH WHICH COULD LEAD TO
THE RISK OF SERIOUS POLITICAL
DAMAGE.
>> Adrienne: AHEAD TONIGHT ON
"THE NATIONAL," NAHLAH AYED WILL
TAKE US ON AN UNUSUAL
SIGHTSEEING TOUR IN LONDON AND
YOU WON'T FIND BIG BEN OR
BUCKINGHAM PALACE ON IT, INSTEAD
MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROPERTIES
USED TO LAUNDER DIRTY RUSSIAN
MONEY.
>> Ian: AND A LITTLE LATER SHE'S
22 YEARS OLD AND STILL LIVES
WITH HER PARENTS AND TONIGHT
SHE'S IN THE SAME JUNO CATEGORY
AS SHANIA TWAIN AND GORD DOWNIE.
I'LL SIT DOWN WITH RUTH B.
>> Adrienne: BUT FIRST AS
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MOBILIZE
IN THE
WAKE OF THE PARKLAND, FLORIDA,
SHOOTING, WE SPEAK TO STUDENTS
WHO ARE ASKING WHAT ABOUT US.
>> Reporter: HOW MANY PEOPLE
HERE KNOW SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN
SHOT?
RAISE YOUR HAND.
>> WHEN SOMEBODY GOT SHOT HERE,
DID PARKLAND COME SAY SOMETHING
TO US?
NO.
DID WE HAVE A MARCH?
NO.
>> WE DON'T GET A VOICE BECAUSE
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>> I TOLD MY RELATIVES MY LAST
GOODBYE, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE
WE'D LAND.
>> Ian: FRIGHTENING MOMENTS ON A
FLIGHT FROM PEARSON AIRPORT TO
WASHINGTON'S REAGAN NATIONAL.
THE PLANE HAD TO MAKE AN
EMERGENCY LANDING AT ANOTHER
WASHINGTON AIRPORT -- DULLES --
AFTER THE PILOTS SAW SMOKE IN
THE COCKPIT.
THE LANDING OCCURRED WITHOUT
INCIDENT AND ALL 63 PASSENGERS
AND FOUR CREW MEMBERS ARE
UNHARMED.
>>> AT LEAST 37 PEOPLE ARE DEAD
AFTER FIRE TORE THROUGH A
SHOPPING MALL IN THE RUSSIAN
CITY OF KEMEROVO, THAT'S ABOUT
3,000 KILOMETRES EAST OF MOSCOW.
THE RUSSIAN MEDIA ARE REPORTING
THAT DOZENS MORE, INCLUDING
CHILDREN, ARE MISSING AT THIS
HOUR.
AN INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN
LAUNCHED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT CAUSED THE FIRE.
>> Adrienne: IT'S A BRITISH
ATTRACTION THAT MANY TOURISTS
MAY HAVE MISSED -- THE DIRTY
MONEY TOUR.
IT WAS ORGANIZED BY AN
ANTI-CORRUPTION CAMPAIGN IT
OFFERS A GLIMPSE INTO A CITY OF
MYSTERIOUS WEALTH.
IN A CITY WHERE 35,000
PROPERTIES HAVE SUSPICIOUS
FOREIGN OWNERS.
SO WHEN OUR NAHLAH AYED WAS
INVITED TO TAKE THE TOUR SHE
SIGNED UP FOR OUR "DISPATCH"
TONIGHT FROM LONDON.
TEST TEST TEST TEST
>> YOU WILL FIND IT ABSOLUTELY
FASCINATING AND FRIGHTENING IN
EQUAL MEASURE.
>> Reporter: IN LONDON THERE'S
A TOUR FOR EVERYTHING.
BUT THIS IS ONE SIGHTSEEING BUS
WITH AN EYE-OPENING POLITICAL
AGENDA.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN... WELCOME TO THE
KLEPTOCRACY TOUR OF LONDON.
>> Reporter: THE KLEPTOCRACY
TOUR FOLLOWS THE MONEY.
>> I WILL START TALKING ABOUT A
COUPLE
PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE JUST
BEEN LOOKING AT.
>> Reporter: IN THIS EDITION
THE WEALTHY RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS
CLOSE TO VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO
ALLEGEDLY HIDE THEIR ILL-GOTTEN
FORTUNES IN SOME OF LONDON'S
PRICIEST REAL ESTATE.
THIS ISN'T A TOUR OF THE LONDON
YOU AND I KNOW -- THE LONDON OF
FAMOUS BRIDGES, BUCKINGHAM
PALACE AND BIG BEN.
THE LANDMARKS HERE ARE
MULTIMILLION DOLLAR MANSIONS AND
APARTMENTS, LIKE TWO FLATS AT
NUMBER 4 WHITEHALL COURT WHERE
THE TOUR BEGINS.
>> WE BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE
OWNED BY A RUSSIAN PRIME
MINISTER...
>> A HIGH-RANKING POLITICIAN WHO
EARNS ABOUT £112,000 A YEAR SO
IT'S TAKEN 76 YEARS TO SPEND UP
ALL OF HIS SALARY TO AFFORD THAT
PROPERTY.
NOW YOU HAVE TO ASK WHERE DID
THAT EXTRA MONEY COME FROM?
IT CERTAINLY RAISES SUSPICIONS.
>> Reporter: LONG-STANDING
SUSPICIONS THAT IT WAS JUST ONE
DAY
AFTER THE PRIME MINISTER SAID
THAT IT WAS HIGHLY LIKELY THAT
RUSSIA WAS BEHIND THE NERVE
AGENT ATTACK IN SALISBURY WHEN
THE TOUR ORGANIZERS SENT OUT
INVITATIONS.
WHY DO PUTIN ALLIES FLOCK TO
LONDON?
BECAUSE IT'S A GLOBAL HUB THAT'S
SAFE.
A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN LAUNDER
MILLIONS IN A SINGLE
TRANSACTION, ALL WITHOUT
REVEALING YOUR IDENTITY, LIKE
THE $27 MILLION PAID BY ONE
OLIGARCH TO BUY 102 EATON
SQUARE.
>> WE'RE ON OUR WAY TO EATON
SQUARE.
KNOWN AS RED SQUARE.
>> Reporter: RED SQUARE
BECAUSE SO MANY RUSSIANS OWN
APARTMENTS HERE.
THIS JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR ALSO
CALLED THIS CITY LONDONGRAD.
>> RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS LOVE TO BUY
PROPERTY IN PRESTIGIOUS AREAS OF
LONDON WHICH THEY REGARD AS THE
ESTABLISHMENT.
>> IF YOU PUSH THEM OUTSIDE OF
THE WESTERN WORLD TO WHICH THEY
ARE ACCUSTOMED I THINK THE
FOUNDATIONS FOR THE CORRUPTION
IN RUSSIA WILL BE HEAVILY BE
UNDERMINED.
>> THERE'S A CHILL...
>> Reporter: THERE ARE HINTS
THAT THE GOVERNMENT MAY BE
CONSIDERING IT.
THE PARLIAMENTARY FOREIGN
AFFAIRS COMMITTEE HAS PLANNED
HEARINGS THIS WEEK, INVITED TO
TESTIFY ARE SEVERAL OF OUR TOUR
GUIDES.
>> THERE'S RECOGNITION ON ALL
SIDES OF
BRITISH POLITICS, THIS IS
CORROSIVE AND THAT ONE
VULNERABILITY THAT THE PUTIN
GOVERNMENT HAS.
>> Reporter: IN THE DRIVE TO
PUT AN END TO LONDONGRAD,
THERE'S CERTAINLY GROWING
MOMENTUM.
NAHLAH AYED, CBC NEWS, LONDON.
>> Ian: THE SCHOOL SHOOTING IN
PARKLAND, FLORIDA, SPARKED A
NATIONWIDE CALL FOR GUN REFORM.
UP NEXT PAUL HUNTER TALKS TO
STUDENTS IN BALTIMORE WHO SAY
THAT THEIR CALLS FOR HELP
CONTINUE TO GO UNANSWERED.
>> IT'S LIKE THEY JUST DON'T
CARE.
>> I DON'T THINK THEY CARE ABOUT
BLACK PEOPLE EITHER.
>> THEY MIGHT SAY THEY DID, BUT
[Applause]
>> OUR MISSION IS SIMPLE AND OUR
VISIONS ARE UNBEATABLE.
LET'S KEEP THE GUNS OUT OF THE
HANDS OF THE WRONG PEOPLE.
>> Adrienne: HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE TAKING
A POWERFUL STAND YESTERDAY.
THEY CRIED OUT AGAINST GUN
VIOLENCE AND POLITICIANS WHO
REFUSE TO ACT.
ONE POWERFUL MESSAGE, A SILENT
TRIBUTE TO THE DEAD.
BUT ALSO CHECK OUT THE CROWD'S
REACTION TO WHAT THIS FIFTH
GRADER HAD TO SAY...
>> I AM HERE TODAY TO
ACKNOWLEDGE AND TO REPRESENT THE
AFRICAN AMERICAN GIRLS WHOSE
STORIES DON'T MAKE THE FRONT
PAGE OF EVERY NATIONAL
NEWSPAPER.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Adrienne: SCHOOL SHOOTINGS
GRAB EVERYONE'S ATTENTION BUT
THEY DON'T REPRESENT THE WHOLE
PICTURE.
THE EVERYDAY TOLL OF U.S. GUN
VIOLENCE IN SOME COMMUNITIES.
PAUL HUNTER VISITED A SCHOOL IN
BALTIMORE WHERE THE STUDENTS
DON'T FEEL CONNECTED TO THE
PARKLAND TRAGEDY.
THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN PROBLEMS.
(*)
>> Reporter: JUST FOR A MOMENT
FORGET ABOUT PARKLAND, FLORIDA,
THE HOME FOR NOW OF AMERICA'S
GUN CONTROL DEBATES.
THIS IS BALTIMORE, HOME TO MORE
GUN KILLINGS LAST YEAR PER
CAPITA THAN ANY OTHER BIG CITY
IN COUNTRY.
ON AVERAGE ALMOST ONE PER DAY.
BALLOON MEMORIALS MARK WHERE THE
DEAD FELL AND THERE ARE LOTS OF
THEM.
AND SO AS AMERICANS TALK YET
AGAIN OF GUN CONTROL, NOT THE
LEAST OF HOW TO PROTECT ITS
YOUNG PEOPLE, CONSIDER THIS
SCHOOL -- EXCEL ACADEMY.
>> I WANT YOU TO READ TO
YOURSELF ABOUT DISEASE
CONTROL...
>> Reporter: WHERE STUDENTS
WHO STRUGGLED IN OTHER SCHOOLS
COME SEEKING A SECOND CHANCE.
A PLACE THAT ISN'T IN THE
HEADLINES MUCH AND THAT DIDN'T
SPARK A MARCH ON WASHINGTON,
EVEN THOUGH IT HAS ITS OWN
SOBERING DEATH COUNT.
HOW MANY KIDS IN THIS SCHOOL
HAVE BEEN SHOT AND KILLED IN THE
LAST YEAR OR SO?
>> EIGHT TOTAL.
>> Reporter: EIGHT?
>> EIGHT, YEP, WE HAVE LOST
EIGHT STUDENTS TO GUN VIOLENCE.
>> Reporter: HOW DO YOU FEEL
ABOUT THAT?
>> OVERWHELMED.
SOMETIMES JUST TIRED.
YOU DON'T IMAGINE AS A PRINCIPAL
THAT THIS IS PART OF YOUR JOB,
BUT IT IS.
>> Reporter: TO BE CLEAR --
NONE OF THE EIGHT STUDENTS WERE
KILLED ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
IT WAS ALL OUT ON THE STREETS.
>> LET'S GO, LADIES... WAIT FOR
ME IN MY CONFERENCE ROOM.
>> Reporter: BUT AS THEY
GATHER FOR CLASS ON A WEEK YET
THAT ANOTHER STUDENT FROM THIS
SCHOOL HAD BEEN SHOT AND
WOUNDED, FEAR MIXES WITH
RESIGNATION, FRUSTRATION WITH
RESENTMENT.
HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE KNOW
SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN SHOT,
RAISE YOUR HAND.
THREE STUDENTS WHO FACED NOT
ONLY THAT BUT HEADLINES THESE
DAYS THAT CONVINCE THEM THAT NO
ONE IS CALLING FOR TOUGHER GUN
LAWS IN THEIR NAME.
>> WHEN A BLACK PERSON GETS SHOT
DO THEY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
NO.
WHEN SOMEBODY GOT SHOT HERE, DID
PARKLAND COME SAY SOMETHING TO
US?
NO.
DID WE HAVE A MARCH?
NO.
>> BALTIMORE DOESN'T GET A VOICE
BECAUSE THE CITY IS
PREDOMINANTLY BLACK.
SINCE THE CITY IS PREDOMINANTLY
BLACK THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAY
ANY ATTENTION TO IT.
>> IT'S LIKE THEY JUST DON'T
CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE.
>> I DON'T THINK THEY CARE ABOUT
BLACK PEOPLE EVEN.
>> THEY MIGHT SAY THEY DO BUT
YOUR ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN
YOUR WORDS.
>> Reporter: AS WE SPOKE
MICKAELA GRAY'S BOYFRIEND WAS IN
HOSPITAL, IT WAS HE WHO HAD BEEN
SHOT TWO DAYS AGO JUST BEFORE
SCHOOL.
IT BARELY MADE THE NEWS.
>> NOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED
IN THE DAYLIGHT, NOT JUST AT
NIGHT -- LIKE IN THE DAYLIGHT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU AT
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE
INVOLVED IN ANYTHING, ANY GANG
VIOLENCE, OR ANY DRUGS AND STILL
GET
KILLED.
>> Reporter: DO YOU HEAR
GUNSHOTS?
>> OH, YEAH, FREQUENTLY,
FREQUENTLY.
BUT THAT'S A PART OF THE CULTURE
THAT'S BEEN ACCEPTED.
>> Reporter: FOR MUNIR BAHAR,
THAT'S THE PROBLEM -- THE
CULTURE OF VIOLENCE IN BALTIMORE
BALTIMORE.
HE HIMSELF GREW UP IN IT, IN AND
OUT OF JAIL IN HIS TEENS HE
TURNED HIS LIFE AROUND.
NOW HE WANTS TO CHANGE BALTIMORE
AND ALL OF THOSE WHO SAY THAT IT
CAN'T BE DONE.
>> THERE'S A SHOOTING ALMOST
EVERY DAMNED DAY OF A YOUNG
BLACK MAN IN THIS CITY KILLED BY
THE HANDS OF ANOTHER YOUNG BLACK
MAN.
THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
I JUST REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT AS
NORMAL.
I REFUSE TO LIVE MY LIFE, I'M
SORRY, BROTHERS DIE.
IT'S A PART OF LIFE, OH, IT
HAPPENS, IT'S THE HOOD.
NAH, THAT'S NOT REAL.
AND I REFUSE TO ACCEPT IT.
>> WHO WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE
THEMSELVES, RAISE YOUR HAND,
PLEASE.
COME ON UP, WAYNE.
COME ON UP, LITTLE MAN.
>> Reporter: HIS RESPONSE?
THE GUN PROBLEM IS FIXABLE FROM
THE BOTTOM-UP.
>> ONE... TWO...
>> Reporter: MUNIR STARTED A
AIMED AT HELPING KIDS TO STEER
CLEAR OF VIOLENCE.
IN A CITY WHERE SO MANY GUN
DEATHS ARE WITHIN THE BLACK
COMMUNITY.
>> I WANT TO SEE A YOUNG
SUCCESSFUL MAN...
>> Reporter: HE TEACHES
DISCIPLINE, FOCUS, RESPECT WITH
THE VIEW TURNING KIDS INTO
BETTER PEOPLE WILL ACHIEVE FAR
MORE THAN MERELY PROTESTING FOR
TOUGHER GUN LAWS.
>> HEALTH, EDUCATION, LITERACY,
MENTAL HEALTH, RECREATION.
IF WE'RE NOT DOING THIS BUT
WE'RE JUST DEMANDING THAT THINGS
CHANGE WITHOUT THE INGREDIENTS
OF THE CHANGE I THINK THAT IS
JUST THE ABSENCE OF LOGIC.
>> PEOPLE HAVE DIED SO THAT YOU
HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW
YOUR BRILLIANCE.
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU ARE DOING
WRONG.
BUT YOU ALSO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE
DOING RIGHT.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF YOUNG BLACK
MEN DYING BY GUNS IN AMERICA ARE
NOT BEING KILLED -- THEY'RE NOT
DYING BY AR-15s.
SO BAN AR-15s, COOL, IT
CHANGES NOTHING IN TERMS OF THE
PROBLEM OF HOMICIDES IN THE
BLACK COMMUNITY.
>> Reporter: AS IT STANDS THE
SHOOTINGS HERE EFFECTIVELY NEVER
STOP.
SO UP THE STEPS AND INTO THE
HOME OF YET ANOTHER FAMILY STUNG
BY GUN VIOLENCE.
COMMUNITY WORKERS WALKER AND
CLAYTON.
>> I WANT TO START WITH HOW YOUR
WEEK WENT.
>> WANT ME TO START?
>> I'LL START.
>> Reporter: ON THIS NIGHT
IT'S TO MEET WITH A YOUNG MAN
WHO WAS SHOT, LAST YEAR ONE DAY
AFTER SCHOOL.
SAYS KEONDRE, GUNS ARE A
FACT OF HIS WORLD -- HE'S 14
YEARS OLD.
>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GUN
VIOLENCE, YEAH, THAT'S ONE
THING.
>> IS IT THAT BAD?
THAT'S NORMAL?
>> NORMAL TO ME.
>> RIGHT NOW THE SENSE OF
URGENCY IS SO GREAT THAT
IMMEDIATE RESPONSE IS SO GREAT
THAT I DON'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY
WAIT.
WE'VE GOT TO MOVE NOW, YOU KNOW,
WE ARE DYING.
WE'VE GOT TO MOVE!
OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DYING.
OUR COMMUNITY IS DETERIORATING.
I LIKE TO SEE HIS FACE FROM TIME
TO TIME.
>> Reporter: WALKER'S OWN SON
IS AMONG THEM, SHOT DEAD IN
2016,
THAT'S HIM ON THE PENDANT.
ALL OF THOSE ANTI-GUN
DEMONSTRATIONS THEY SAY IS
MOSTLY PEOPLE FROM A DIFFERENT
AMERICA -- POINTING TO THE
COUNTRY'S LINGERING RACIAL
DIVIDE ON WHY THE GUN PROBLEMS
IN MOSTLY BLACK BALTIMORE SEEM
TO GET SO LITTLE NATIONAL
ATTENTION.
>> OUR CHANGE IS STILL NOT HERE
YET BECAUSE IT'S SO DIFFICULT.
BUT, SEE, WE ARE FOR IT.
SO, NO, WE'RE NOT MAD WITH THEM
AND WE'RE NOT REALLY UPSET WITH
THEM BECAUSE WE KNOW, HEY, IT'S
EASY FOR YOU.
YOU CAN'T STAND UP FOR THE
COMMUNITY WITHOUT SOMEBODY
LOOKING AT YOU AND SAYING THAT
YOU'RE AN ANGRY BLACK MAN.
WE ARE STILL GOING IN THE BACK
DOOR.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT.
>> Reporter: SO WHAT IS THE
WAY FORWARD IN A CITY WITH SO
MANY GUN DEATHS WEEK AFTER WEEK?
>> YOU CAN MARCH ALL YOU WANT
AND MARCH EVERY DAY FOR HOURS
FOR YOUR VOICE TO BE HEARD.
BUT IF THE PEOPLE AND THE CITY
ARE
NOT CHANGING AND THEN THE
VIOLENCE ISN'T GOING TO STOP.
>> I PRAY THAT IT'S GOING TO
CHANGE BUT THEN, LIKE I SAY,
MAYBE IT WON'T.
>> Reporter: A BLUNT
ASSESSMENT BY THOSE NOT YET
READY TO BELIEVE ANYONE OUTSIDE
OF THE CITY IS EVEN LISTENING.
PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS,
BALTIMORE.
>> Adrienne: PUT THE ANXIETY
THAT THOSE STUDENTS MUST FEEL
INTO CONTEXT.
CONSIDER THIS --
LAST MONTH BALTIMORE WENT 11
FULL DAYS WITHOUT A HOMICIDE.
JUST THE THIRD SUCH
HOMICIDE-FREE STRETCH IN THE
CITY IN MORE THAN 15 YEARS.
>> Ian: WE HAVE A LOT MORE AHEAD
TONIGHT ON "THE NATIONAL"...
CELEBRATING THE BEST IN CANADIAN
MUSIC.
ELI GLASNER WITH THE VIEW FROM
THE JUNO AWARDS.
SHE'S NOMINATED IN SEVERAL OF
THE BIG CATEGORIES TONIGHT AND I
SIT DOWN WITH RUTH B FOR "THE
NATIONAL" INTERVIEW AND WE TALK
ABOUT WRITING SONGS THAT MATTER
AND HER REMARKABLE BREAKOUT
SUCCESS.
* WE PLAY IN THE WOODS ALWAYS ON
THE RUN * FROM CAPTAIN HOOK
>> MUSIC WAS ALWAYS IN MY LIFE
AND I LOVED IT AND IT WAS ALWAYS
MY SECRET AND VINE HELPED ME TO
EXPOSE MY LOVE FOR MUSIC TO THE
REST OF THE WORLD.
YEAH, IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT I
DON'T KNOW IF I'
* YOU HELP ME WALK THROUGH AGAIN
AND AGAIN *
>> Ian: SARAH HARMER IS PAYING
TRIBUTE TONIGHT TO GORD DOWNIE
AT THE JUNOS.
IT'S BEEN FIVE MONTHS SINCE THE
TRAGICALLY HIP FRONTMAN PASSED
AWAY.
HE WON THREE AWARDS THIS WEEKEND
INCLUDING ARTIST OF THE YEAR.
AND HERE'S SOME OF THIS
EVENING'S OTHER HIGHLIGHTS.
>> Reporter: BALLOONS ARE
POPPED AND THE CROWD ARE STILL
ON THEIR FEET AS THE BARENAKED
LADIES CLOSE OUT THE 2018 JUNO
AWARDS IN FITTING STYLE WITH A
ROUSING EDITION OF "IF I HAD A
MILLION DOLLARS" AND THEY HAVE A
MILLION FANS AND MORE WE SAW
STEVEN PAGE REJOINING WITH THE
BARENAKED LADIES TO DO TWO
NUMBERS TO CLOSE OUT THE SHOW.
THAT WAS JUST ONE OF THE MANY
STUNNING NUMBERS AT THIS YEAR'S
JUNOS.
THEY WERE OPENED BY MICHAEL
BUBLE, VERY COMFORTABLE ON
STAGE.
COMEDIC AND ALSO HEARTFELT,
TALKING ABOUT WHAT HE'D
EXPERIENCED WITH HIS SON
BATTLING CANCER AND HIS SON IS
FEELING BETTER.
AND BUBLE IS CERTAINLY FEELING
QUITE FINE.
DID A DUET WITH DIANA KRALL.
AND THEN ON TO THE PERFORMANCES
INCLUDING ARCADE FIRE WHO OPENED
THE SHOW WITH A ROUSING VERSION
OF "EVERYTHING NOW."
TAKE A LISTEN...
(*)
(*)
BUT TONIGHT WAS ALSO A GOOD TIME
TO CELEBRATE SOME OF THE NEW
VOICES ON THE CANADIAN MUSIC
SCENE, VOICES THAT TOOK HOME
SOME JUNO AWARDS.
JESSIE REYEZ FOR BREAKTHROUGH
ARTIST OF THE YEAR AND DANIEL
CAESAR, AN R&B ARTIST FROM
TORONTO WHO HAS BEEN DOING IT
HIS OWN WAY WITH HIS OWN SOUND
AND SIGNING TO A MAJOR LABEL AND
WINNING THE R&B JUNO.
BUT JESSIE AND DANIEL CAME
TOGETHER TONIGHT AND PERFORMED
TOGETHER.
DANIEL DOING THE SURPRISE
APPEARANCE ON ONE OF JESSIE'S
SONGS AND AN AMAZING MOMENT.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CAPTIVATED BY
JESSIE AND DANIEL'S TALENT.
AND ANOTHER CAPTIVATING MOMENT
WAS ONE THAT WAS UNPLANNED.
THE REUNION OF THE NORTHERN
TOUCH ALL-STARS WHO DECIDED TO
TAKE THE STAGE OVER AND DID A
VERSION OF THEIR FAMOUS HIT FROM
20 YEARS AGO.
ELI GLASNER, CBC NEWS,
VANCOUVER.
>> Ian: A LOT OF HIGHLIGHTS, SO
MUCH TALENT.
FOR EXAMPLE, RUTH B TWO.
YEARS AGO SHE WAS JUST 19 AND
WORKING IN AN EDMONTON CLOTHING
STORE AND LIVING AT HOME WITH
HER PARENTS AND THEN SHE STARTED
POSTING VIDEOS OF HERSELF
SINGING AND THEN A YEAR AGO SHE
WON THE JUNO FOR BREAKTHROUGH
ARTIST OF THE YEAR AND SINCE
THEN A WHIRL WIND OF CONCERTS
ACROSS NORTH AMERICA AND A NEW
ALBUM, CRITICAL ACCLAIM.
ALL CAPPED OFF THIS WEEKEND WITH
THREE NOMINATIONS.
AND SHE SAID THIS TIME AROUND
SHE'S GOING TO SIT BACK AND
ENJOY THE JUNOS.
RUTH B IS OUR "NATIONAL
INTERVIEW."
AND I ASKED HER WHAT IT'S BEEN
LIKE FOR HER OVER THE PAST YEAR.
>> IT'S BEEN AMAZING AND I DON'T
THINK THAT MY ALBUM WAS OUT AND
I WAS EXCITED TO GET MORE OF MY
STORY OUT THERE AND TO HAVE
PEOPLE HEAR WHAT ELSE I HAD
OTHER THAN "LOST BOY" SO IT'S
BEEN A GREAT JOURNEY AND I HAVE
ENJOYED GETTING OUT ON THE ROAD
AND PERFORMING AND JUST WATCHING
PEOPLE EXPERIENCE MY ALBUM FOR
THE FIRST TIME.
IT'S BEEN FUN.
>> Ian: IS THERE EITHER ON STAGE
OR IN A STUDIO OR I DON'T KNOW
WHERE A "PINCH ME" MOMENT IN THE
LAST YEAR?
>> MANY I WOULD SAY.
I THINK THAT EVERY NIGHT -- I
JUST FINISHED UP MY TOUR -- AND
EVERY NIGHT THAT I'D GO UP AND
THE KIDS WERE SINGING MY SONGS
WITH ME I'D NEVER GET USED TO
IT.
IT'S SO CRAZY BECAUSE I WROTE
MOST OF THOSE IN MY ROOM WITH
THE IDEA THAT NO ONE WOULD EVER
HEAR THEM AND SO HAVING THEM
SING WITH ME IS ALWAYS SURREAL.
>> Ian: SHE DIDN'T JUST WRITE
THEM IN HER ROOM BUT LAUNCHED
HER CAREER FROM THERE.
A TEENAGER POSTING VIDEOS ON
VINE.
>> * I AM A LOST BOY
* FROM NEVERLAND
* USUALLY HANGING OUT WITH PETER
PAN *
>> Ian: WITHIN A WEEK THAT
SNIPPET HAD THOUSANDS OF LIKES
AND PEOPLE WANTING MORE.
IT TURNED INTO "LOST BOY" AN
INTERNATIONAL HIT.
>> * PLAY IN THE WOODS ALWAYS ON
THE RUN FROM CAPTAIN HOOK *
>> MUSIC WAS ALWAYS IN MY LIFE
AND I LOVED IT BUT IT WAS ALWAYS
MY SECRET AND VINE HELPED ME TO
EXPOSE MY LOVE FOR MUSIC TO THE
REST OF THE WORLD.
YEAH, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT I
DON'T KNOW IF I'D BE HERE.
>> Ian: THAT'S INCREDIBLE THAT A
KID FROM EDMONTON CAN MAKE
VIDEOS IN HER BEDROOM AND THEN
GET HOW MANY PEOPLE FOLLOW
SOMETHING.
>> IT WAS INSANE, IN THE
BEGINNING IT WAS THOUSANDS EVERY
DAY.
I THINK THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS SO
COOL FOR THAT REASON BECAUSE I
DON'T THINK THAT THERE WAS ANY
OTHER WAY OF ME GETTING MY VOICE
OUT THERE.
LIKE YOU SAID, EDMONTON IS NOT
THE BIGGEST MUSIC CITY SO IT'S
GREAT BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE
PEOPLE HEAR YOU WHEN YOU'RE JUST
IN YOUR ROOM SO IT'S AWESOME.
HEY, GUYS, IT'S RUTH B AND I'M
BACK AT MY OLD HIGH SCHOOL... TO
VISIT THE CHOIR CLASS SINGING MY
SONG "LOST BOY" FOR THE CANADIAN
MUSIC FESTIVAL.
>> Ian: A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE
COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIPS WITH
THEIR HIGH SCHOOL AND DREAM
ABOUT GOING BACK AS A SUCCESS.
NOT MANY PEOPLE GET TO GO BACK
TO THEIR HIGH SCHOOL WHEN
THEY'RE AS YOUNG AS YOU WITH A
HIT RECORD IN YOUR POCKET.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
>> THAT WAS AMAZING, I LOVED
THAT.
IT'S WEIRD BECAUSE A LOT OF THE
SONGS ON THE ALBUM WERE LIKE
IDEAS THAT WERE BORN IN HIGH
SCHOOL FOR ME OR MEMORIES THAT I
HAD FROM HIGH SCHOOL.
SO IT WAS REALLY COOL TO GO BACK
AND TO KIND OF SEE THE HALLWAYS
THAT SHAPED WHO I WAS AND THEN
TO GET TO SING MY SONG WITH THE
CHOIR THERE, IT WAS AWESOME.
* AND FOR ALWAYS I WILL WAIT
* I AM A LOST BOY
* FROM NEVERLAND
* HANGING OUT WITH PETER PAN
>> Ian: THERE ARE TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF KIDS AROUND THE
WORLD WHO WANT TO HAVE A HIT
RECORD.
YOU HAVE DONE THAT NOW.
SOMETIMES GETTING THE SECOND HIT
IS HARDER THAN THE FIRST ONE.
TELL ME ABOUT THAT PURSUIT.
>> I THINK THAT I WOULD AGREE --
I THINK THAT THE SECOND SONG IS
PROBABLY HARDER.
I TRY TO NOT THINK IN TERMS OF
HITS.
I JUST KIND OF WRITE AND FEEL
AND THEN IF A SONG STRIKES
SOMETHING IN ME I'LL BE LIKE I
WANT TO PUT THIS OUT BUT IF YOU
THINK OF THINKING IS THIS A HIT,
IS THIS A HIT?
YOU'LL NEVER BE CONTENT. * I'M
NOT PERFECT *
* AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE THAT GET
LOST *
* BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DO
THIS JUST FOR SHOW *
* FOR SHOW
>> Ian: AND I WAS ON YOUR
TWITTER ACCOUNT TODAY WHICH I
FOLLOW YOU AND I OCCASIONALLY ON
YOUR TWITTER ACCOUNT AND I WAS
LOOKING TODAY AND IN THE MARGIN
IT SUGGESTED THAT SINCE I FOLLOW
YOU THAT I MIGHT WANT TO FOLLOW
JUSTIN BIEBER OR SHAWN MENDES
AND I THOUGHT WHAT IS THE
CONNECTION THERE, YOUNG,
TALENTED CANADIAN MUSICIAN.
IF YOU'RE PART OF THIS
INCREDIBLE WAVE -- I'VE NOT SEEN
IT IN MY LIFETIME AND WHAT IS
GOING ON IN CANADA RIGHT NOW?
>> I ASK MYSELF THE SAME THING.
I THINK THAT CANADIAN MUSIC IS
INCREDIBLE RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S
SO MANY AND I LOVE HOW IT'S VERY
DIVERSE.
WE HAVE HIP-HOP AND R&B AND
SINGER/SONGWRITER AND EVERYTHING
AND I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY
COOL.
I'M JUST EXCITED AND HONOURED TO
BE A LITTLE PART OF THAT.
>> Ian: AND ONE IS THE WEEKND
THAT SHARES THE SAME ETHNIC
BACKGROUND AS YOU FROM ETHIOPIA.
IS THAT A COINCIDENCE OR
SOMETHING ABOUT ETHIOPIA AND POP
MUSIC SUCCESS?
>> I THINK THAT ETHIOPIAN MUSIC
IS RICH MED OLICALLY IF YOU
LISTEN TO IT SO MAYBE IT HAS
SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
* I FEEL IT IN MY BONES THAT
YOU'RE MOVING ON FOR GOOD *
* I SAID THAT'S WHAT I WANTED
BUT I THINK THAT WAS A LIE *
>> Ian: I READ SOMETIMES ABOUT
HIT SONGS AND THERE SEEM TO BE
THESE TEAMS OF WRITERS AND
PRODUCERS AND SOMETIMES IT'S
HARD TO TELL WHO THE ARTIST IS
IN THAT KIND OF BLENDER OF
MUSIC.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL WRITING
YOUR OWN STUFF AND IT STILL
SOUNDS DISTINCTIVELY YOU.
DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE
TO HANG ON TO THAT?
>> I THINK SO.
I THINK THAT FOR ME THAT'S ONE
OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS.
I FEEL THIS WOULD BE A LOT
HARDER AND NOT AS MUCH FUN IF I
WERE SINGING SONGS THAT I DIDN'T
MEAN AND I DIDN'T CONNECT TO.
SO I'M TRYING TO TELL MY TRUTH
AND HOPING THAT PEOPLE CONNECT
WITH MY STORIES IN THE SAME WAY.
IT MAKES THE WHOLE EXPERIENCE A
LOT MORE FUN.
* I KNOW THAT YOU THINK THAT YOU
HAVE FOUND BETTER *
* NOW
* BUT THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE YOU
DON'T SEE HOW *
* I LOVED THE IDEA OF YOU
* WITH SOMEBODY NEW
>> Ian: YOU SEEM -- YOU ARE SO
POISED.
DOES ANYTHING MAKE YOU NERVOUS
NOW?
>> OH, MY GOSH, I GET REALLY
NERVOUS BUT IT'S JUST EXPERIENCE
WITH PERFORMING.
I'VE BEEN DOING IT A LOT NOW
OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS SO
YOU DEFINITELY GET USED TO IT.
BUT I JUST TRY TO ENJOY
EVERYTHING AND HAVE FUN WITH IT
AND THE NERVES ARE THERE BUT
I'VE LEARNED HOW TO CONTROL
THEM.
>> Ian: I FORGET THE EXACT
WORDING BUT YOU TWEETED
SOMETHING OUT NOT LONG AGO ABOUT
HOW TO AVOID COMPLACENCY OR
COMPLACENCY IS DEATH.
SO WHAT'S YOUR GOAL?
WHAT DO YOU STRIVE FOR?
>> OH, SO MANY THINGS BUT I
THINK THAT IN TERMS OF MY MUSIC
THAT IT'S JUST TO, LIKE, ALWAYS
MAKE SURE THAT I'M SINGING
THINGS THEY BELIEVE IN AND
WRITING SONGS THAT MATTER AND I
DON'T WANT TO JUST PUT SOMETHING
OUT -- I WANT TO BELIEVE IN
EVERYTHING AND HOPEFULLY MAKE
SOMEONE'S DAY BRIGHTER OR MAKE
THEM FEEL LESS ALONE.
>> Ian: YOU ARE AS DOWN-TO-EARTH
AS TALENTED ANDO IT'S A PLEASURE
TO FINALLY MEET YOU.
>> YOU TOO, THANK YOU.
>> Adrienne: SO INTERESTING.
THAT CONVERSATION THAT YOU HAD
WITH HER ABOUT WRITING SOLO, SHE
SEEMS DETERMINED TO KEEP DOING
THINGS HER WAY, PRECISELY HER
WAY.
>> Ian: YOU KNOW A COUPLE YEARS
AGO THERE SHE IS IN HER PARENTS'
BASEMENT DOING THESE SIX-SECOND
VIDEOS HER WAY BUT IT GETS
CHALLENGING, RIGHT, ADRIENNE.
SHE DEBUTED A NEW SONG ON
THURSDAY NIGHT AND I ASKED IF
SHE HAD TO CLEAR THAT WITH HER
MANAGEMENT AND LABEL AND SHE
SAID, YEAH, BECAUSE A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE INVESTED IN HER
CAREER NOW BUT SHE'S COMMITTED
TO KEEP HER VOICE, WRITE HER
LYRICS AND WRITE HER MUSIC AND
KEEP THAT DISTINCT SOUND.
>> Adrienne: NICE.
WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE AHEAD
TONIGHT INCLUDING "THE MOMENT"
BUT FIRST A MOMENT OF REDEMPTION
FOR JENNIFER JONES AS SHE WON
THE WOMEN'S WORLD CURLING
CHAMPIONSHIPS.
>> STARTING TO FLOAT... STARTING
TO FLOAT... COMING BACK... NO!
[Cheers and Applause]
AND IT'S CANADA IS YOUR WORLD
CHAMPIONSHIPS.
>> Adrienne: THE CANADIAN TEAM
BEAT SWEDEN IN TODAY'S GOLD
MEDAL GAME IN NORTHERN ONTARIO.
TOP LINK THE OLYMPIC CHAMPIONS
7-6 IN AN EXTRA END.
SHE ALSO WON THE WORLD TITLE 10
YEARS AGO.
JONES FAILED TO MAKE THE WINTER
GAMES IN PyeongChang.
(*)
POSITION TO DO ANYTHING.
THE TRUTH IS THIS.
(*)
(*)
>> Ian: HERE'S A LOOK AT THIS
WEEK, MONDAY IS THE DEADLINE FOR
KINDER MORGAN TO CLEAR TREES FOR
ITS TRANSMOUNTAIN PIPELINE
EXPANSION BEFORE THE BIRDS BEGIN
NESTING.
DOZENS OF PROTESTERS INCLUDING
GREEN PARTY LEADER ELIZABETH MAY
HAVE BEEN ARRESTED IN THE
VANCOUVER SUBURB OF BURNABY FOR
VIOLATING A COURT INJUNCTION
KEEPING THE PUBLIC AWAY FROM
KINDER MORGAN OWNED PROPERTY.
>>> IT MAY BE COLD BUT THURSDAY
THE BOYS OF SUMMER RETURN WITH A
HOME OPENER FOR THE TORONTO BLUE
JAYS.
THEY'LL TAKE ON THE NEW YORK
YANKEES ALREADY CONSIDERED
FRONT-RUNNERS IN THE A.L. EAST.
>>> IT HAS BEEN A DECADE SINCE
BARENAKED LADIES PERFORMED AS A
FIVE-MEMBER BAND AND SINCE FRONT
MAJ STEVEN PAGE LEFT IN 2009.
THE FIVE HADN'T EVEN BEEN IN THE
SAME ROOM TOGETHER.
AS ELI TOLD US EARLIER TONIGHT
THEY WERE REUNITED ON STAGE AT
THE JUNOS AND THAT IS OUR
"MOMENT OF THE DAY."
>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THEY
DESERVE IT IN A BIG WAY, THE
NEWEST MEMBER OF THE CANADIAN
MUSIC HALL OF FAME, THE
BARENAKED LADIES.
[Cheers and Applause]
* IF I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS
* IF I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS
* I'D BUY YOU FURNITURE FOR YOUR
HOUSE *
* MAYBE A NICE
>> WELCOME TO THE STAGE A WHOLE
BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
I KNOW SOME OF THEM.
* IF I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS
* IF I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS
* I'D BUY YOU A FUR COAT
* BUT NOT A REAL FUR COAT
>> Ian: HOW CAN YOU NOT SMILE --
>> Adrienne: DON'T MAKE IT
STOP.
>> Ian: THAT'S ON, ADRIENNE AND
I REMEMBER READING JOHN LENNON
AND THAT THE DEFINITION OF A
GREAT SONG IS ONE THAT PEOPLE
JUST SING ALONG TO.
>> Adrienne: WELL, I KNOW THAT
WE WERE PERSONALLY.
BUT ALSO I WAS HALF EXPECTING
WHEN THEY GOT ON STAGE THAT I'D
BE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE ARE
ANY WEIRD MOMENTS HAPPENING OR
LOOKING AT EACH OTHER BUT ALL I
CAN THINK ABOUT IS THAT IS A
PARTY THAT I'D LOVE TO BE PART
OF.
IT LOOKS LIKE A FANTASTIC NIGHT.
>> >> Ian: AND SIMON GAR NUNCEL
REUNITED AND BARENAKED LADIES
HAPPENED.
THAT'S A PARTY THAT WE'LL GO TO.
THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR MARCH
25th.
GOODNIGHT.
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