- I have a cat.
- Exclusive.
(laughing)
It is my grief--
- Puss.
- What's that?
- That's the cats' name.
- My cat's name is Puss.
- That's an exclusive.
Have you ever revealed that on camera before?
- No.
- I know how to get it all out of Michael Shannon.
- [Josh] She's the Shannon Whisperer.
- Next, on MTV News.
(keyboard clacking)
- So we can tell, we have Michael Shannon, Hillary Swank.
The film is What They Had.
Congratulations on this wonderful movie guys.
- Thank you.
- Thanks for stopping by.
I love this movie, I really do.
I saw it for the first time at Sundance.
And I was moved and I laughed and all the good emotions.
And Michael knows I would say the truth, right?
We're at this stage in our relationship
when I'll be brutally honest.
- Yeah, no, he means it.
- Okay.
- So talk to me a little bit about,
the subject matter of this is something
that can go in maudlin, sentimental ways that don't,
that aren't as rewarding I think, for an audience perhaps.
And I think the treatment of this material makes it work.
But give me a sense of why you think the direction,
the writing, makes this film as successful as it does.
- Well, it definitely starts with Elizabeth.
- [Josh] Mm hmm, 'cause of the writer, director, right.
- Yes, Elizabeth Chomko.
You know, it's all in the details.
Yeah, you're right, you can have like
a Hallmark Movie of the Week kind of thing about this,
but I find most of those movies when I'm watching them,
are devoid of the details and the idiosyncrasies
of the family and they focus so much on the melodrama of it.
But this movie is so, each of these characters
are so vividly written and I don't know,
we just kind of showed up and it's miraculous to me.
I don't know how to explain it,
but it just kind of crystallizes,
I think we're all like good, decent human beings
with a sense of humor and we
like hanging out with each other.
I don't know.
- Yeah, I think that that encapsulates
a bunch of why the film works.
And I also think that the movie is, you know,
it deals with dysfunction and kind of the love
within dysfunction and I think everyone can relate to that.
- Yeah.
- We all have a family that has its own kind of
working dysfunction and the things that make you
uncomfortable, but underneath that there's love.
And Elizabeth, like you were saying, she just,
she fleshed out every character and I think it's really hard
to tell a story with a lot of characters
and make you understand all of them so well.
- You guys play a brother and sister of course,
in the film and it really,
it's a great portrait of a family that feels
whether the details are resonate
with your particular family or not,
they just feel lived in and real and authentic.
And I'm just curious,
have you guys worked together before or no?
Okay.
So what happened--
- To my chagrin.
I tried.
- He's a tough man to track down.
So talk to me, when you know you're gonna
work with somebody, do you have to do any homework?
Do you ask around, like what they're like to work with?
You've seen each other's work clearly,
but is any of that necessary or just get on set
and sort of see what the vibe is?
- No.
I think get on set.
I mean, he's one of the greatest,
so like I was saying, I've been wanting to work with him
for a long time and we,
he came on kind of like a couple of weeks before.
I mean the whole movie came together
and then it was off to the races, but it was quick.
It was like all of a sudden it got its financing
and it was ready to go in three weeks.
And then it was the puzzle piece of putting
everything together, and when Michael came on,
I was like, yes, because it was the most important
last part of the puzzle to make it really click.
A film is really only as good as its weakest link.
So when you have everything so strong,
you're setting yourself up at least, you know,
you never know how anything's gonna work.
Clint said it really well.
He said, you always aim for the bullseye,
but you don't always hit it.
So you coming on and completing that puzzle piece
was just like hitting the lottery.
- Michael, can you work with like any kind of technique,
any kind of actor, or are there certain types of actors
that you resonate with that you know you're gonna
vibe with on a set?
- Well, I don't know.
I think the only thing that bugs me, I guess,
working with anybody is somebody who's mostly just concerned
with what they're doing and not paying attention
to what other people are doing.
- Right.
- You know, everybody in this process was so connected
to what was going on around them.
They weren't like sucked into their own,
I've worked with people that get very caught up
in their own performance and their own,
and they stop listening and they stop, you know.
- Right.
- Because they're so obsessed with what they're doing.
And that's the only thing I kind of frown upon.
- Your character is a bar owner in the film.
So what would the Michael Shannon Bar look like?
What would the specialty drink be?
Tell me a little bit about this.
Have you daydreamed have such an occupation,
a side project for yourself?
- Are you crazy.
(laughing)
- What was that?
- A bartender?
No, I don't know.
- He could work at Taco Bell.
- I was gonna say, did you really?
- Yeah.
- A long time ago.
- You must have been a very pleasant person to--
- Almost 30 years ago.
- He worked in the back, no one saw him.
- Mean bean guy.
- Yeah.
What secrets of the back room of Taco Bell--
- This is not an exclusive.
I've already shared this with another media outlet
so I don't want to talk about it.
- Okay, I appreciate that.
Yeah, let's not waste our time.
Go to vanityfair.com for all that.
- All I'll say, when you work at Taco Bell,
your bedroom does not smell very nice.
'Cause you come home and yeah.
'Cause everything smells like meat and beans.
- What kind of, okay back to the question.
What kind of drink would you have at your bar?
- It would be the meat and bean drink.
(laughing)
It would be a Martini with a layer of meat
and a layer of beans.
- That's what keeps you so fit and trim?
- Yeah.
- I'd just make it like a Taco Bell bar.
It'd be like going to Taco Bell, but with alcohol.
- Right.
- Yeah.
- My drink could be called the Swanky.
- I mean, you're halfway there, right.
It doesn't matter what's even in it.
It has a great name.
- It's basically like ice water.
(laughing)
- You've got some great movie parents in this one.
- [Hilary] Yeah.
- Who's the dream movie parent pair for you?
If you could cast your ideal movie parents.
- It would be them.
- Yeah.
- I can't imagine doing it better.
- [Josh] Checked it off?
- Yeah.
They were fantastic.
They were so present.
- Which dad, it's Pauly Shore who plays your,
no, I'm kidding.
(laughing)
The great Robert Forster.
- Yes. - And Blythe Danner.
- Amazing.
- I don't see doing better than that.
- You piqued.
So you said you took a bit of a break, acting wise.
Was this like the first kind of return
after you took a little bit of a break or no?
- Yeah, it was kind of like a part of it.
Yeah, just kind of stepped in and started looking around.
But yeah, this is really the beginning.
- When you come back, I mean you can't be worried
that you're gonna forget how to act.
You're pretty much at the top of the heap already,
but are there nerves getting back--
- Can you not to refer to it as a heap?
(laughing)
- Thank you, thanks.
- Yeah, it's not a heap.
- Hey guys, don't gang up on me, I'm fragile.
As being on the top of the acting mountain that you are,
the Rushmore, there can't be nerves
getting back on set after a break.
- There are nerves whether you're getting back
or already in it.
It's just part of what it is being a performer.
Don't you think?
Like, I'm nervous every time I start a job.
Remember when you were going to school
and you had the night before school jitters
and you couldn't go to sleep at night.
That's how I am starting a movie.
You know, you're just kind of always afraid
you're gonna mess it up, you're gonna be
that one thing that doesn't work.
- Right.
- It's part of what people ask.
Oh, you really are professional 'cause you prepare,
you're really prepared.
I'm prepared because I'm scared.
The more prepared you are, the more you just feel
a little bit like it gives you some type of security
to play around and not have to think as much,
but it's just really, that's how I squash my nerves,
is preparation.
- I gotcha.
What about for you, Mike?
What's the last time you felt a tremendous amount
of anxiety work wise?
Do you?
Is that part and parcel of it for you, too?
- Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah.
I mean, I didn't feel it so much on this job.
But, you know, I get anxious a lot when I'm playing
like a real person, that makes me anxious.
'Cause then you feel very, or a character that was based on,
I mean, you're always playing a real person, I guess.
Character based on someone who actually existed.
- Right.
You're an executive producer on this one.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Are you, Michael?
- I don't know who you're looking at.
Is that a stigmatism?
- I have a wandering eye.
Sorry guys.
Is anybody in this room an executive producer?
- Yes.
- I can't even keep track of when I get that credit.
I'll know when I watch the premier.
- So it's not like there are decrees about
what does Michael Shannon produce, the set needs to,
what the craft he needs to look like or something like that.
- No, no, I'm not that guy.
- Okay, okay.
Since the last time we talked,
I remember you were griping about how Marvel
wouldn't even meet you for a movie.
Has our podcast conversation remedied that at all?
Have you gotten any calls from Marvel?
- No, I was looking at the Captain Marvel today.
Brie, she's gonna be Captain Marvel.
- Yeah, they shot that already so you can't do that one.
- Yeah.
- We, you and I, we should do a Marvel.
You and me.
- Yeah, what should we do?
- The only thing is is both of us usually die at the end
of our movies, so how's that gonna work out?
- I think this is a DC thing, but I think we'd be good
for the Wonder Twins.
- I was just gonna say that.
- Done.
Don't you see it?
Look, we're already in matching suits,
so we're just different colors.
- Now we just need a monkey.
- Okay, okay, that's just-- - Done!
- Right, they had a little monkey.
- They did have a monkey, yes.
- That's the fun role, don't knock that.
- I'm doing it in mo cap, or am I actually
getting into a monkey costume?
Just grow out the hair a little bit more and I'm there.
- Yeah.
- It would be a mixture.
- Yeah.
- Coming soon.
(laughing)
- I like this.
From our mouths to Marvel's ear.
- DC, DC.
- It's gonna be a joint, it's gonna be a crossover.
- I used to have that bedspread when I was a kid.
- Did you really?
- Yeah, it had the superheroes and the super villains on it.
- Did you have Underoos?
Did you ever--
- I didn't have Underoos, but it was like
a plastic bedspread, it was really weird.
- Is that 'cause you peed the bed for awhile?
- For awhile.
Does now include awhile, I don't know what it would mean.
(laughing)
- Thank you guys so much for stopping by.
Congratulations on the movie.
- Thank you, thank you.
- What the hell, Josh.
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