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Hi. This is Joel Persinger. I'm the GunGuy.
Thank you very much for watching my
channel. I really, deeply appreciate it.
It's another day at SHOT show here in
Las Vegas and I ran across somebody I'm
a big fan of. Alan, I am a big fan of
yours. Thank you. You do some tremendous work.
This is Alan Gottlieb of SAF. In
case you don't know what SAF stands
for, I'm gonna have him tell you. It
stands for: Second Amendment Foundation.
Now, you may not have heard of the Second
Amendment Foundation, but I have. They
have filed so many lawsuits to protect
your second Amendment rights that it's
amazing and their success rate is beyond
stellar, So I wanted to have a couple of
minutes with Alan for him to update us
on what's happening with the lawsuits
that they have going on right now. It's
important that you understand that if
you support organizations like this they
can do great work, but they can't do it
alone.
We have to pull together and support
them financially, we need to get the word
out and those things. That's what I want to
do here.
Thank you. Tell us a little bit about
what's happening currently. Well, we have
about 30 cases right now in federal
court and some of them are moving
rather quickly right now. It's only been
a few weeks into the new year here and
one case Baginski in Massachusetts.
A restoration the rights case. A guy got a DUI
many, many years ago and Massachusetts
won't let him have a gun because of that.
We're in federal court on that and we just
want a big motion against the government that
tried to dismiss the case and a judge
said, "Oh, no. People have Second Amendment rights."
We just want another one motion like
that against the state of Illinois on foster care.
In Illinois and some other states as well, if you
want to have foster children they don't allow
to have a gun in your home. Wait a minute.
Say that again. If you
want to have foster children. You want to
have foster children. And help kids out
and give them a home, you
can't have a gun in your home. Right. So we filed
a suit against the state of Illinois and they
also moved that, you know, well if you
apply for foster children, you lose your
Seconds Amendment Rights. The judge said, "Oh no, that's not
true" and denied
Illinois's motion to dismiss. We've won to
big motions so far this year.
...and
it's January! Yeah. Then we have
two cases: one known as Senderoff/Flores.
The two of them got combined together. The Fourth
Circuit Court of Appeals ruled our way
both of them. They got combined en banc for an
en banc panel to review it.
The en banc pannel ruled our way again and
that the Justice Department... Obama's justice
department on his way out of office filed a motion
for Cert (certiorari) for the supreme court to hear
the case to overturn our victory.
So this is a case that may very quickly get
to the U.S. Supreme Court because we want to
knock out a law, then what happens is
the court stands a very good chance of
hearing it. That's a big domino you're knocking over.
Right. And of course with the Justice Department
changing leadership, maybe the Justice Department
will argue on our side.
So that's kinda a nice. Then you've
got out of California... Yeah you know I'm
from the people's socialist republic of
california. Then you get your Peruta case
the plaintiff moved for cert to the Supreme
Court and of course our case (Richards)
which is the same thing.
It's tied to it. The en banc court
in the 9th circuit
overturned our victories in at the appeals
court level in that. Their tied together,
so that may also end up
going to U.S. Supreme Court. We have two
bites at the Apple at the U.S. Supreme Court in
gun rights cases that probably will come up this year.
Well, you know that I do have a concealed
carry permit in California. I think if I
meet the other guy that's got one, we can
start a club. Probably. We may be the only two
and that's gotta change. Probably. And we
just filed a brand-new suit against the
city of Seattle. We have one filed
against Seattle that been joined with the
Second Amendment Foundation by the NRA and
National Shooting Sports foundation to challenge the
gun ammunition tax that Seattle passed.
Well, in the interim, our publication "The
GunMag.com" under the Public Records Act
ask
the city of Seattle... we want to know
how much money they've collected in this tax.
They say it's between $3,000 and $5,000.
We think it's more like twenty or thirty
thousand dollars. But they don't want to
give us the data because
they're embarrassed. So they're making the
argument that. "Well, there's only so
few gun dealers left in Seattle,
if we tell you the amount you can figure out
what their businesses
volumes are and under privacy we can't
do that. We don't want that information.
We just want the gross number of dollars
in tax that you got. They refused to give it to us.
Washington state has a law that the city of
Seattle for not turning it over
to us, has to pay our legal fees and a
hundred-dollar a day fine. So what's
probably going to happen... we
just moved for a summary judgment motion
this week... what's probably going to happen
is that the court will rule in our favor. And
what the city of Seattle is going to do is that
twenty or thirty thousand dollars they collected in tax...
They're going to write a big check. To the Second
Amendment Foundation so we can sue
them again.
It's gonna be a busy year.
Absolutely. I love it. One of the reasons
I want to talk
with you today is because I've been
following you guys a lot and... I'm not a
millionaire. If I was I'd write you a
really big check, because I'm grateful for
the work that we do.
Can you tell the folks that watch my
channel... I love them.
They're awesome. I get great comments
and people want to fight these battles
but they don't... a lot of them don't know
what to do. I think it's key that they support
organizations like SAF because you
guys do such great work, but it costs
money. Lots of dollars. These things cost a lot of money.
Our average case probably ends up costing
us when various states or the federal
government puts roadblocks in our
way in one of our bills... The
average case is now costing us about a
quarter of a million dollars. A quarter of a million.
You know I didn't pay that much for
my house right? I know yeah. It's worth
more now because of San Diego, but when I
bought it 20 years ago. But I mean
it's really kind of scary and we have 30
cases ongoing. That's a lot of dollars.
That's a lot of dollars, yeah. So, I'm going to talk
talk directly to your audience. I mean,
I'm going to plead with you. This
really helps us out a lot.
And remember about eighty percent of the
case law protecting Second Amendment Rights rights
in the court were made by the Second Amendment
Foundation's lawsuits. So, I mean almost
everything's ours. What's your success rate?
It's hard to tell what our success rate is
because we file so many cases and you
know, a lot of times its rule by man not
rule by law, depending on what judge yet . But the
important thing is eighty percent of the
case law supporting Second Amendment rights, came
about as a result of our litigation.
So, if we were around
80% of the case law supporting Second Amendment
rights in our court systems would be gone.
What I appreciate
about you is you're not locked into one
state. You're filing lawsuits
across the country and by the way that
include California.
The complaint I get a lot is, "I don't want
to join this organization because they've
abandoned California" or "I don't want to
join that organization because I don't feel
like they're doing anything." I want you
to understand what I understand having
watched this. These folks are working hard
across the nation.
They're working extremely hard in the
people's socialist republic of
California. So regardless of what state
you're in,
if there's any kind of
infringement of your second Amendment
rights you're going to see this fine
gentleman somewhere in that battle. Yeah.
But again, they need funding. So please,
please, please, support them if you can.
We have a lot of cases going on in
California. I know you do. We're challenging the
waiting period for people who have already bought
a gun in California. We're challenging the
handgun roster. We're challenging zoning
ordinances that put gun dealers out of
business.
We're challenging confiscation
measures with people who got
guns confiscated and the government just doesn't
return back when no charges were filed even
though they're innocent. Right.
We've got a number of cases in
California. California is really hot bed
place for us.
Well, part of the problem with California, is then it
travels. Right. We see that in Oregon and
Washington. Right. So, at any rate...
to help us out, you can go to SAF.org.
SAM ALPHA FRANK dot org or put Second Amendment
Foundation in any browser and our website
will pop up. Our membership is only
fifteen dollars a year. We're like the cheapest
gun rights group out there, because we just want
you involved. So if you join us,
donate to us, we would greatly, greatly
appreciated it and it makes it help.
Can I join
today?
Sure! Okay. I'm going to do that right when
we get done. Thank you. But
it's really important now to, because
our funding is going to have a
problem this year. With
Trump winning the White House and Republican
controlled House and Senate on a
national level,
the gun rights community is not under
attack anymore. A lot of Gun owners
feel, "Well hey, now i don't have to do
anything. You know we've won the battle.
Obama's out of the White House." Our
funding is going to go down. But there are cases
we can now file. We're getting good judges
appointed and getting the nineth judge
on the Supreme Court. Now is the time to
really go on the offense, but that
takes dollars. Absolutely. So, please help us out.
SAF.org. I'm
going to put the link in the description
so if you don't want to go hunting for it
that's fine. I'm going to put all the links in the
description so you can go directly to the SAF website.
I urge you, please join. Please donate. Please
help. Thank you very much Alan. Thank you.
Thank you for all your help.
Have a wonderful week. Thank you very
much for watching. Keep watching for more
updates from SHOT Show and whatever you
do.. wherever you go
please be safe.
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