DENISE RENNER: Every time I would sing, it was like
I had to push through so much, like--like there was
an invisible ceiling hanging over my head.
(Singing) I know my God has made the way for
me. I know my God has made the way for me.
ANNOUNCER: You are instructed in God's Word
to have a zero tolerance to fear so you can walk
in God's marvelous light. Today on the Believer's
Voice of Victory, Gloria and Kellie Copeland
bring an encouraging word to overcome fear.
GLORIA: Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Believer's
Voice of Victory. Kellie's with us today, and she's
going to be sharing the Word of God. Welcome,
Kellie. KELLIE: Thank you, Mom. GLORIA: You're a chip
off the old block. Two blocks. Two blocks, couple of blocks.
(Both Laugh) KELLIE: Yeah. It's an honor to be a chip off of
y'all. Y'all aren't too old anyway. Y'all don't look old, so
that's good. GLORIA: Thank you very much. KELLIE: Ha-ha. But
it's an honor to be in this family. And I was thinking the
other day how blessed that I am that I grew up knowing how to
walk and live by faith. GLORIA: Oh, we are blessed in that area.
That's awesome. KELLIE: Knowing how to stand against fear. I
mean, there has been just this zero tolerance for fear. GLORIA:
That's right. KELLIE: You know, I was--I told you the story of
this--I told them the story this week about, "I refuse to fear."
That's what I said when my daughter was sick, and God
healed her. And that was key to her deliverance. But I've just
always had this, you know--I mean, Dad would say, "Well, we
don't tolerate fear. You're not--don't be afraid." And that
that was a command from the Lord. And I just grew up
thinking, "No," you know, absolutely no fear. So I
would--of course, I've had moments, and I've had
opportunities, and I've fears that lodged down deep inside of
me that Jesus had to diagnose. But once I knew they were
there-- GLORIA: You dumped it. KELLIE: --I am done. GLORIA:
That's right. KELLIE: So I remember this time, Mom, I was
at--we were at camp, at SuperKid camp. I was not a camp child. I
was a camp grownup. In fact, I was heading the camp, so it
wasn't that long ago, maybe seven years ago, maybe eight.
And there was this ropes course that we were taking the
counselors through. So the little kids weren't there yet.
We were just doing some team building with the counselors.
And there was this ropes course and rock climbing walls and all
that. So there is this one post, 25 or so feet tall, with a
wooden platform at the top about this big. GLORIA: (Laughs)
KELLIE: And you're supposed to climb up there--of course, you
had a harness on, but somehow you--it's just hard to remember
that you have a harness on as you're climbing way up there.
Somehow you've got to--you get up there, you sit down, and then
somehow you've got to get your feet where your rear end was and
stand up. Well, that in itself didn't look like fun to me. But
then on top of that, the pole, when you're up on it--I'm
watching people on it, and it just sways like this. And then
the people are supposed to jump out and grab a line that's out
in front of them, and then you come down. You come down safely.
Well, I looked at that, and I had this thought, "I am not
doing that." GLORIA: I had no idea camp was
so traumatic. KELLIE: Well--(Laughs)--everything, if
you allow fear in, it's going to lead to traumatic some way or
other. GLORIA: This is true. KELLIE: So I was just like, "I'm
not doing that." And, I mean, it came up from the inside of me. I
thought, "Ugh, now I have to. I don't want to do it, and I'm
afraid of it, so now I have to do it." Because fear tolerated
is-- TOGETHER: --faith contaminated. GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: Here I am about to teach these kids how to walk
and live by faith, and I'm afraid of a pole. GLORIA:
(Laughs) KELLIE: So I took authority over myself, took
authority over the fear, you know. I mean, you can
look--there's a lot of words that are disguised as--disguise
your feelings as fear--that they're fear, but they're
disguised as concern, wisdom. Wisdom gets tagged a lot for
being fear--I mean, fear gets tagged as being wisdom. Like,
oh, well, it's wisdom not to get up on that pole. Well, that may
be, but it was fear that day keeping me from it; so concern,
worry. "Well, I just have a lot of things on my mind." Well,
that's fear, and it's carrying the care. And when we see it, we
have to--I guess that's the crux of what we've been saying this
week, is, to be free--live a life free of it, you've got to
resist it. The Word says, resist the devil. First it says,
"Submit to God--" GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: "--resist the devil, and
he will flee." So when you see fear like that, it is Satan's
hook. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: It's like a fisherman
casting a hook, and the fish grabs it, and the fisherman's
got him. And that is what fear is. You're hooked. GLORIA: You
giving Satan place the way faith gives God place. KELLIE:
It does. GLORIA: And you get to choose. KELLIE: You choose.
Yeah. So that way-- GLORIA: You get rid of fear by the Word of
God-- KELLIE: Yeah. GLORIA: --and by resisting fear. But
then also get rid of it by the Word. What does the Word say
about this sickness that they've told me that is--it's incurable?
Well, the Scripture says that every sickness and every disease
is under the curse and that we've been redeemed from the
curse. So if you don't know those words, you can't turn to
them. You've got to know what the Bible says in order to live
free. KELLIE: By putting the Word in. GLORIA: And that's what
the Scripture says. "You will know the truth, and the truth
will make you free." But you have to use it. KELLIE: You have
to know it. GLORIA: Yeah. KELLIE: And you have to use it.
And you have to keep that daily--that daily Word coming in
your heart. GLORIA: I agree. Every day. KELLIE: II Timothy 4
talks about what's in us, and putting it in, it's renewed day
by day. Let me finish my story, and then I want you to talk
about putting the Word in because you're the most--you're
the most masterful, committed Word-putter-inner-- GLORIA:
Well, that's a fact. KELLIE: --that I have ever known. This
woman loves the Word like breathing. And because of that,
you don't operate in fear. GLORIA: No, no. KELLIE: And when
you see it, you cast it out. And I learned it from y'all. So that
day at camp, I got my harness on. I climbed up that 25-foot
pole. Somehow, I don't know how, I got my feet where my rear end
was, and I'm standing up there. And, Mom, the whole pole was
doing like this. And I'm moving, and I've got to jump out. And
I'm not-- I don't know if you can tell, but I'm not that tall.
I know you can't tell here, but you could say I was vertically
challenged, but I'm not that short. But I am not very tall.
At that moment, I was vertically challenged, because you've got
to jump out and grab a line. And I thought, "There's no way. I'm
too short to jump that far to grab that line." So you know
what I did? I stood up there. I took authority over fear, and I
did a perfect swan dive into nothing. Ha-ha. GLORIA: Really?
KELLIE: There was no way I could reach the line, but I had a
harness on, and I knew that harness would keep me. GLORIA:
I'm not letting you go to camp anymore. KELLIE: I now that that
harness--see, when we're in fear, it's so irrational. That
was irrational in that moment because I had a harness on, and
there were people, strong guys there, holding the lines of the
harness. I knew it was okay, but I still had fear. So fear is not
rational. In fact, it's more dangerous when it's irrational
because you can't go talk your way through it when you're
just--it's just irrational fear that you've received from the
devil. And--but that day-- GLORIA: Fear is a spirit.
KELLIE: It is a spirit that comes. It is the word of Satan
that comes. You know, the Bible talks about that Word of Faith
that we receive, well, that's a word of fear-- GLORIA: Yep.
KELLIE: --that Satan delivers. GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE:
And if you receive it, it will ruin and crash your life.
GLORIA: It'll open the door. KELLIE: It will give him every
open door. So anyway, long story shorter, I did a dive, the
harness caught me, and I was fine. But we have a harness. His
name is Jesus. GLORIA: Yes, amen. KELLIE: We have angels,
the blood, the Word. He's--Jesus'll fix it if we
screw it up. GLORIA: We have a parachute. KELLIE: We have a
parachute of the highest order. GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: And the
more aware we are of His Word, the more aware of His love for
us, the more aware--I mean, if you--if you have a lot of fear,
maybe just start in the book of John where he just talks about
how much He loves you, you know, or the 1st, 2nd, 3rd John, how
much He loves you. Mom, it's critical to have that in your
heart-- GLORIA: Yes, it is. KELLIE: --when those moments
come. And it's critical to let Him diagnose you with that fear.
If it's there, He'll show you. And His Word--the Bible says, in
II Timothy, that His Word shows us what's wrong with our lives.
So if you're not putting the Word in, you're missing a huge
weapon-- GLORIA: Well, it gives light. The Word gives light. You
take the Word in your eyes, in your ears, and it gets down in
your heart, and it gives you light. And it says, "This is
right. This is righteous, this is unrighteous. Choose
righteous." We can do that. You have to know what the Bible says
and obey it. And when you do, things work for you. You've got
faith to deal with whatever comes up, and you don't have any
condemnation because you were disobedient. That's important.
In Jesus' name, we just have to live free in the Word of God.
KELLIE: You can't do it without the Word. GLORIA: No, you can't.
Don't even try. KELLIE: So everybody thinks, "Oh, I'm so
busy. I'd love to do that. I'm just so busy." Well, you know,
I'm sure we all think we're busy. GLORIA: Everybody's busy.
KELLIE: Everybody's busy. But tell about when you made that
decision, you didn't try to make that decision and fit it in your
day. You changed your day. GLORIA: We put the Word--I put
the Word first in order to spend time in it. And it changed me,
it changed my life, and it's still changing my life. The Word
of God is the truth. The Bible says the truth will make you
free. If you want to be free, this is the way to do it. Glory
to God. KELLIE: You know, I've loved watching you over the
years because I was a--I was probably a teenager, I'm
guessing, when you made that decision to pray an hour and
spend time in the Word every day. And I would see you--if you
had to be somewhere early in the morning, then you would get up
earlier. You'd get up at 4:00 sometimes in the morning just to
be able to--you put the priority on spending that time with the
Lord. And those things are in you, still speaking to you. And
you can-- GLORIA: It changed my life. KELLIE: --constantly feed
your heart, feed your spirit. GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: I mean, we
know--I mean, I don't go too long without feeding my body.
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: Because my body says, "We need
some food," like about right now, I want some food, because I
haven't eaten in a while. Well, you can get so filled with the
Word that when--that your--that your spirit goes--your soul
begins to yearn for that Word, to fill it up like a dry place.
GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: And I just enjoyed watching you live
your life like that. GLORIA: Well, thank you, Kellie. That
honors me. I appreciate it. KELLIE: There's a woman. I
really have taught so much about her. And even when I think I've
heard everything about her, then the Word shows me more. It's the
woman at the well. And she--you might say, "Well, she doesn't
really exhibit fear." But she exhibits--I mean, I think she
does. Shame is fear. Shame is fear of repercussion for
whatever people are going to think. And she had so much shame
and fear of people that she came to the well when nobody was
there. And the time to do that is in the middle of the day when
everybody's at lunch or at home, and they're not at the well in
the middle of the day I believe because of the shame that she
had because of her life. So sometimes fear comes from the
things you're actually literally doing, and you're setting
yourself up for Satan to take you down because of the way
you're living your life. But this woman at the well, she got
in conversation with Jesus. We talked about letting Jesus
diagnose you. Man, don't stop with fear. Let Him diagnose you
for pride or shame or any kind of other thing. Let Him diagnose
you for hatred or laziness or unkindness or-- GLORIA: That's
right. KELLIE: --gossip. Any of it. He's ready. You know, I've
talked--we've talked a lot about correction. And this is just a
time of cleaning up. It's an awakening time, Mom. Miracles,
we are headed for the most amazing miracles-- GLORIA: Yes,
Lord. KELLIE: --we've ever seen. We are headed to harvest time.
GLORIA: We receive it. KELLIE: We are headed to some things in
God that we've never seen. But, you know, I was thinking the
other day, we were talking about an awakening, which, it's time,
it's coming, and revival in every church. We're already
seeing it. In the places that we go and, you know, in our own
lives, we're seeing this awakening. And I was thinking
about, the other day, when a clock--you set your clock to
wake up in the morning, and it wakes you up, this clock. And
what's the first thing you do when you wake up in the morning?
I mean, for me, you might say, "Well, I go get my coffee."
Well, that's still part of waking up, so that doesn't
count. But when you first wake up and you get your coffee and
you really wake up, you start cleaning up. And that's what's
going on in the Body of Christ right now. It's, we're awakening
to God's love. GLORIA: Praise God. KELLIE: We're awakening to
His presence. We're starting to clean up our lives because He's
pointing things out to us. GLORIA: Yes, amen. KELLIE: And
when we become awake to Him and His words and His love,
primarily, He's awakening us to His love, He's awakening His
body to His love. And when we become aware, we start--we start
hearing Him say, "You need to get rid of this. You need to get
of fear, you need to get rid of shame, you need to get of pride.
You need to clean this stuff out of your life." Well, that day
when He was talking to her at the well, I don't know if--go
back and read it. He--we're not going to turn there today, but
He kept asking her question--He would ask her a question, and He
kept talking to her until He could get her to ask for the
thing that He needed--He led her to the right words to say. And
we're going to talk about that some next week. There's a
scripture that talks about, He'll give you the words and the
wisdom to say. GLORIA: Amen. KELLIE: And He led her to the
place where she asked for living water. Now, she's thinking one
thing, but He is thinking another. And all He needed was
her asking for something. And so He says to her--I mean, she
says, "Yes, give me that living water." She's thinking, "Man,
this living water, and I don't have to come back to this well
ever again. I don't have to come face those biddy old women that
just criticize me for my life or they look down on me, and I
don't have to come here during the hottest part of the day to
get my water. So yes, give me that eternal living water." But
that wasn't what He was talking about. And we know from the Word
of God that He changed her life. I don't--I'm not sure it even
says everything that He said to her. I don't think it's
recorded, but--because He didn't say that much to her. But she
left there saying to her village, "Come talk to a man!
Come look at a man that told me everything I ever did." GLORIA:
She kind of stretched it a bit, didn't she? KELLIE: Well, I
don't know. We don't know what all-- GLORIA: "Everything I ever
did"? KELLIE: Well, we don't know what all He said to her.
But she looked at Him and was like, "Wow, you're a prophet,"
you know? And--but what did--He so graciously offered Himself to
her. But her part of it was to receive what He was saying.
GLORIA: That's right. KELLIE: Her part of it was to receive
the diagnosis. And our part of it is with Jesus to look to Him
so much that we receive the diagnosis that He's making to
us. Because what He said to her that day was, "Go get your
husband." Well, He knew she didn't have a husband. But she
didn't know that He knew she didn't have a husband. GLORIA:
That's true. KELLIE: And her responses could have been,
"Okay, you know what? Just wait right here. I'll go and get my
husband, and I'll be right back," and just never show back
up because of the shame. But what she did--instead of
responding that way to cover her shame, she said to Him, "I don't
have a husband." She just got really honest with Him. And what
He said to her was, "You're right, you don't have a
husband." And then He went on to tell her what her life was
really like. And the reason that stands out to me today is, we
just have to let the Lord get--we just have to get honest
with Him. I mean, the other day, when He told me I had fear about
Jenny going to this--to the Middle East--which she left last
night--and I got rid of the fear because Jesus pointed it out to
me, and I was not afraid at all. I'm just like, "Move on. Go."
And the last time she went, I dealt with fear about her going.
The Lord pointed it out to me, I dealt with it. And I barely
thought--I mean, it's terrible to say, but I barely thought
about her on a day-to-day basis. I just would, like, think about
her when she'd call or text. Or I might have something I called
her or texted her, "How are you doing?" But I didn't--I
wasn't--there were days I didn't even think about her. Sorry,
Jenny. You know, not in a way that I didn't care, but in the
way that I wasn't caring. GLORIA: You weren't concerned.
KELLIE: I was not concerned. GLORIA: You had rolled your
care. KELLIE: And so, He's so good. When you let Him diagnose
you, He will show you the things to pray to be free. That's what
He did with her. She got so free, her whole village got
free. Her--you know, when you go through hard times--in Psalm 23,
it talks about your cup runneth over. He will heal you to the
place that you run over and you affect everybody else. But that
day, she got honest with Him, and He started telling her about
her life, and she got free. If we will let Him diagnose us with
whatever, fear, shame, pride, any of those--all those are fear
based. He will tell us what to do, tell us what to say, and we
can go free. And then those things are connected to so many
things. GLORIA: That's true. KELLIE: And even other people's
deliverance. You know, Mom, we have a friend that we're about
to see a feature. I love Denise Renner. Her heart is so
precious. But she let Jesus point out some things to her.
You're going to see in this testimony. Jesus pointed out
some things to her, and she received forgiveness and
deliverance, and she didn't even know how her freedom was
connected to it. Watch this. You're going to enjoy this.
DENISE RENNER: I'd be driving to work, and I heard this man
singing, and I loved his voice. And, of course, it was so
exhortative, I was just so excited. And so he began to
preach about "By His stripes you're healed." Well, I'd been a
Christian for a long, long, long time. I love Jesus with all my
heart. But I had had cystic acne since I was 12. And it was on my
neck, it was on my cheeks, and it was on my forehead. And it
was--it was very--it was painful, it was unattractive and
embarrassing. And I'd been to doctors, I'd had dry ice, I had
taken antibiotics. I had done everything that they told me to
do. And I was like the woman with the issue of blood. I had
been to the doctors, I had spent my money, but I just grew worse,
you know. And so I'm listening on the radio. This is in 1978.
I'm listening on the radio, and I hear that "By the stripes of
Jesus you are healed," Isaiah 53. And it was the first time I
ever heard that scripture. And having a disease for 13 years,
you--you know, you think, "Well, this is pretty settled." Ha.
"I'm going to have this for a long, long time." And when I
heard that, hope came into my heart. And I thought, "Do you
mean that it could be possible that I could be healed? For me?"
And so I began to do what, you know, Brother Copeland said, was
to confess the Word. So I would look in the mirror, and I
would--and it was pretty bad. And I would say, "By the stripes
of Jesus I'm healed." And I'd sing, (Singing) "By the stripes
of Jesus I'm healed," you know. And I would say it and sing it
all the time. So this went on, and then I didn't see any
change. And I was listening to another radio preacher one day,
and it was a woman. And--but the Holy Ghost was speaking through
her voice. And she said, "Do you really want to be healed?" Well,
when she said that, it was like my--I was exposed to what was
inside of my soul. And because I got attention from my mom taking
me to the doctor, buying me medicine, she felt sorry for me.
Really, because it was so bad, I got attention from my mom. And
when she said, "Do you really want to be healed?" It exposed
that love for self-pity. And at that moment, I repented. And I
said, "Lord, I want to be healed." And I kept confessing
the Word. Of course, I was listening to Brother Copeland
every day, and I kept confessing the Word. One night I went to
bed, just like I had for 13 years, with cystic acne on my
face, and I woke up the next morning, and I went to the
mirror, which is what I always did, and I went to the mirror,
and absolutely every single thing on my neck, my cheeks, my
forehead was all gone, every bit. And I was completely
healed. You know, a few years more went by, and every time I
would sing, it was like I had to push through so much, like--like
there was an invisible ceiling hanging over my head. And I
really didn't know what that was. I couldn't say what that
was. And I went to this people's house and--just to--you know,
just to be with them and pray. And so this one man, he prayed
for me that night. I had never fallen out in the Spirit. I was
on the ground, I was on the floor, on the carpet for two
hours. I could not get up. And the Holy Spirit was just all
over me. And while I was on the carpet, He let me see myself in
junior high, in high school, in college, as an adult. And He let
me see myself that I was as good as everybody else around me,
because I always felt less than everybody else because of my
face. And on--in that place of prayer, in those two hours, He
absolutely delivered me from shame. And I changed my life.
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