if you ever purchased a Broadway limited blue line edition locomotive like I did
here a few years back I bought it at a train show they wanted about $95 where I
think I paid 80 for it and you're having problems with it gonna want to see this
video right here
I'm Tom Kvichakk and this is Toms Trains and Things this channel was
created to help other modelers who are in need of guidance in pursuing their
dream of building a model railroad I got a comment from Clarence Davis he said hi
Tom can you help me with a problem I have a bli engine I try to program it
and now all I get is sound it won't move I get all the sound functions but
nothing moves can you help me by the way your videos are very helpful well
Clarence I think you might have one of the blue line editions of the bli
locomotives I haven't heard back from you so I can't say for sure but I had
the same problem with one of mine and I'll go through this right here telling
you how to resolve that problem if it is the blue line then this is what your
issue is and I hope it helps they came with a sound decoder but they did not
come with a DCC decoder in there and that's where the problem started and
they came out with a bunch of instructions that were not very helpful
cuz even on the right here it said EC programming note this must be
programmed in operations mode and all that la blah blah blah and then they
gave attention DCC users
another thing with blah blah blah blah and then the thing about the pin on
there and even on their website they had
instructions on how to program it and they they failed on that and here's the
instruction sheet on it or the the parts breakdown on and you can see that the
sound decoder is right there number 91 but they got numbers on it but
no legend though I guess you had to go online to see what all these were okay
but anyway now I got this one
I got 2-8-2 B&O 4515 DC sound DC sound DCC ready HO
now luckily the previous owner put a decoder in it but I had some issues with
it I wanted to change how the the motor settings were on there so I had problems
when I when I first used it so I had to look it up and then it is about three
years ago and there were so many different ways that I found Jo foo gate
in a way I went on Model Railroader magazine forum and there was a long
article on there a Broadway limited blue line multi decoder programming and this
was written by Jim J Witten in March of 2009 so this is a pretty old post on
here but it's still relevant today because a lot of modelers are going back
and buying them used to train shows like I did about three years ago he goes
through a long process first the good then the bad then the ugly and what I'll
do is I'll put a link to this forum post on in the description like I always do
and it says so what does it actually take to make a typical DDD cc motor
decoder anyway and then goes on with that ranting about you know it would
only cost bli another $20 to put the decoder in there okay and then you know
bunch of history and then finally he comes down with a solution to it and
basically what it is is is going into ops mode programming the one decoder and
then going into direct mode and programming the other decoder
now he referenced Joe Fugate's article in here somewhere
now this is from model trains video.com now in this article Joe Fugate talks
about NMRA's solution to it setting C V 16 and 15 which is determined not to be
such a great idea if you're wanting to use consists so he went on with another
article beyond that talking about how to program it
with the four-digit address and also the two-digit address to get over that but
that's still a little bit of complicated for most modelers although there's many
ways to program the two decoders in the locomotive it was brought up in here
somewhere but I can't find it right now to you to remove the decoder and put it
in a spare locomotive this seems to be the easiest way to do it for the
majority of modelers who are not that good at programming with DCC now if
you're good at programming with DCC you can always go and do it in direct mode
and page mode and read this article and see how it's done you're not gonna find
the instructions in the Broadway limited webpage they tell you to go back and put
it into oh three and work it like that so this is the only place you're gonna
find a good solution is in this form thread right here and I'm gonna take you
over to the train room where I have my locomotive and I popped it back into
10th so I pop the top of the tender off I popped the top at a tender off that's
kind of hard to say say that three times but anyway you'll see when we get
over there but I got two decoder you know out there and I'm gonna get a spare
locomotive and show you how to do it here's the decoder in the tender of this
one here and all we have to do is just pop it out let me cut the power off and
we'll just pull this out and all we have to do is put this in the shade that I
have but anyway that's all you got to do is pop it out and then just pop it into
the other locomotive and we'll just take this off the track do something
and all we have to do is make sure number one is over there and orange
number one here and we just pop it in like that okay and that's it then we
start the program now as you can see I have it plugged in as 4515 let me put
the power on okay you can see the light came on
let me turn a light off so you could see that it
okay light off light on okay now let's run this now since this is
Shay it's gonna be ya got to turn it up a little bit higher okay because it was
programmed for a road switcher so you could see that it's it's moving I will
reverse it
and it'll run and forward now
okay I'll turn it down all right now what I want to do they originally set
this thing up and they were good enough to give me all the information on it
with the decoder manual and they set CV 3 to 10 + cv 4 to 5 and I'm going to
keep it there but I just want to make sure it's there and the only problem
with the DB 150 you can't read back so all I'm going to do is I'm going to
program for 4515 and I'm going to put in CV 3 as 10 so let me move this back a
little bit I'll hit now that's the only locomotive
on the track so I'll hit the program
program I don't want address okay we're gonna do
CV number three and we're gonna do it for ten so I'll just set it up right
there cv three cv number three equal ten we'll
hit enter
good okay we're going to go to cv 4 and go to number five okay hit enter
good all right and we'll hit exit all right we're all
set now turn the power back on to the track we got a power on the track
and there we go with 4515 it's moving that way we'll put it in reverse you
know it's gonna go slow because it's a che I got it up to speed 228 and let me
see 40 and give you a little bit more speed on there okay so now we're going
to take it off of here and we're going to put it back in the locomotive so let
me cut the power off to it
now let's see if the brakes work on this thing here yeah okay but it stops kind
of quick on there so I might have to set it some more but anyway you get the idea
of how this thing works the easiest way for me was just to pop this decoder
output it in another locomotive program it that way but anyway I put notes down
in here when I first did it that if you want to do the psalm decoder you put it
in direct mode and if you want to do the motor decoder you put it in page mode
you could do it that way but I found it easier just to pop the thing out because
it on this on the Broadway limited there's no screws on here it just pops
out on my Bachmann che there's one screw on there to top pop to the top of the
tenderer off to get the decoder it's a lot easier than trying to do it in page
mode and direct mode that's my story and I'm sticking to it
I like the horn whistle
well I hope that helped you out clearance and anybody else that but the
Broadway limited blue line edition years ago or bought it from a trade show or
off of ebay recently and had issues with it I hope that resolved it if you like
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