Should I start? You guys had like a grand total of what four hours of sleep this
week? Are we doing something? -Yes. -Ah, all right.
It's Friday of SHOT Show, and we have all been working running looking
handling checking testing, but we did gear up. Yes, gear up.
Now you guys have been seriously working, you're finding new stuff.
I assume you found some cool stuff to bring back to Finland. -Yeah you could
say that it's been a kind of pretty rough ride so from from the early
morning until the morning but I think we did a good progress here we met awesome
people except some of the Canadians were pretty rude we apologize for them yeah
well you know America's hat we have no control over them and our laws don't
regulate their behavior here yeah so the Canadians are just part of the problem
and they just have a reputation yeah yeah we've found it out but yeah we've
met the great characters and also the had the good opportunity to see some nice
gear but it's so overwhelming so it's good to get there it's really
overwhelming there's what 60,000 there I don't know I know that this is day four.
you know I honestly forgot what day was they for yes yes day four. I'm
kidding I'm not kidding I really forgot but in that we started looking at some
of the work we did on day one and I forgot some of the stuff we already
worked on like I was looking like when was this oh that was media day I forgot
I even touched that yeah and this started for you guys before SHOT Show.
You went to another event before this too right yeah
yeah you do the new military surplus yeah yeah you always have to have a
pre-party. Well your after parties going to be pretty epic too yeah I have
heard so but how about you guys did you find something interesting during this
trip? Yeah you know we sometimes we come to SHOT Show like excited to look at
this kind of stupidest things that any people are trying to sell and this year there
was a lot less of that than we expected and a lot more things that were actually
legitimately interesting. It was either less of that than we expected are we
accidentally ran into better stuff and therefore miss some of the dumb stuff we
did get so oh yeah there's always some and I thought we already have one video
up about this strange grip that you can adjust with your hand and then crank
down with a screw I don't know there's that there's some other stuff that's
gonna be on the channel but actually this year is a little different than our
previous SHOT Show content in that we actually have some really quality stuff
that we found. Some good things. A couple of things like the adjustable gas piston
for the AK by KNS Systems. Yeah really cool. Yeah you actually replace the
piston and then you've got a dial you can change the gas setting on an AK and
boy we shot it, it was nice but you reduce the rate of fire reduced the felt
recoil substantially so this whole show is actually for the most part been
stuff of that magnitude, it's a really neat product it fits in an RK62.
yeah. I see your eyes. I don't think they get any bigger than that. We shot it
with a suppressor on it the gun had no gas blowback and it was shooting 500
rounds a minute completely controllable AKM. Really nice so a lot of that kind
of stuff it's really been a good year for that. The other thing that's
interesting is this year is like this year more than ever has been a constant
flow of really cool people and to say hi yeah and talk talk about the content
talk about you guys talk about what we're doing talking about Forgotten
Weapons, talked about InRange. Yeah there's been a it seems like a huge
uptake in regards to people that are paying attention and that's rewarding of course,
that's a great thing to know that people are watching this stuff you put
out there. Your plan for world domination appears to be progressing well. Yeah
people that I've come to talk to us and they they start to recognize the
recognize us and that has been great and for example in
several occasions Stefan talked a lot about the differences like what is the
Finnish and the Nordic design versus what is happening here and that has been also
pretty cool. I'd like to hear about that actually so like just on the side
note like what little bits do you notice that are obvious distinct
differences. Well not really noticed here but you know it's just obvious from
before that American and of course internationally oh it's always the end
user we have to make our gear for. So depending on weapon systems yeah
that's one thing and this is special for us since we are like using AK
kind of shit, that Soviet stuff, that's one thing, but then also for us
especially in Finland. It's not a problem in Sweden or Norway, oil money or a
tiny military, so the budget to military force ratio is just crazy. What, we
are just a poor little country so we have to make do with... well, we're better off with simpler
designs it can't be like super fancy, intricate, you know like what you get over here
you look like first spear it's a dial adjustable opens up mag pouch
I mean extremely nicely made and stuff like that but that's just clearly not
something that's not the first thing that we need. You would
need a lot of lanyards to tie your magazine for the cost of one of those things. How many
strings for one of those mag pouches? Exactly
No, when you put limitations on things like cost yeah you force yourself to
find some really crazy... -And you have to keep the quality high and naturally have
to reach a certain level of functionality. -Sure. What, you haven't? You
don't need to go like batshit crazy about that so basically you need to reach
a certain level functionality for a pouch or anything and then you have to
think about to design the construction to keep it kind of simple so basically I
mean this is a prime example. I was actually gonna bring this bag up as an
example of that. Here it is so just a roll top. Basically a sack of Cordura
you have a nice big pack which is virtually indestructible and still you
know made from milspec high quality materials naturally but since the
construction is simple but you get all the functionality you need for a certain
users it keeps the costs down. True simple functionality. A lot of other
people would have added an entire new carry handle wrapped all the way around
that bag when you get something just as strong with a rollup enclosure.
And basically that's a prime example of how these things work. -You mentioned like the
Soviet, and the smaller country, and lower funding for individual soldiers in that type
of a setup. That makes me think of like the way to look at the old Soviet
pack which was just it's just a bag that you just tie a string around it and
then this is what you tie it with actually becomes the straps, now that's
really simplistic and cheap, but this is like an elegant improved well-made
version of that mindset. So you make something with lesser complexity but a
quality product at versus just garbage. And that requires some thinking you know. With another good
example is instead of having an internal complicated hydration bladder
pocket we just have flat piece of Cordura here, - just a pouch - and inside
wall that comes well, beneath this one expands into the main bag so you
just slap on a few piece of Cordura and you have all that. So yeah and this
really reflects all of the shit we do since
over here you got Crye Precision and all these super super fast first spear
companies who are doing like top-notch stuff, but the thing is
honestly, in Finland, the problem is that the issue gear at the moment the
clothing and the gear is not yet up to speed honestly, I mean we haven't got
a pouch yet for PKM ammo cams, yet, issued - so we use utility straps - a
fucking piece of strap with a metal buckle. Like in Africa, you know. Have you tried duct tape? No actually. But it has to be reusable. Not too expensive.
We haven't even, the issue gear hasn't even reached a level that is sufficient
enough in my opinion so the first thing we're still working at like filling the
gaps. Combining that kind of stuff, so that maybe when that's done we can start
seeing about space-age technology and stuff like that, but before we have that, what the
guys really need we have to stick to the basics. There's a lot to be said for good
enough, because there's diminishing returns you get to a point we have a
quality solution for a soldier or for whatever purpose and then as you try to
make it just that much better it gets more and more expensive and the amount
of improvement gets less and less yeah But you'll see that with a lot of
American stuff now because like Crye or others, they're great product absolutely
but they're extraordinarily expensive and generally very complex. Yeah the
complexity and also like some degree of over-engineering is something we saw
as a difference between what we do and what's feasible you know in our battle
space compared what is in here but it's it's
interesting and very important for us to understand that how the market here
works, what our gear will do and I think it's a differentiating
factor that we can provide an alternative solution like a really
simplistic products which probably appeal to some people. It achieves the
same goal. Yeah I think there's a lot to be said for that you know when you look
at some of the old military gear, and some some countries would go with
buttons versus a zipper, for example. The zippers blow out you can't fix them in
the field, a button you can repair with a sewing kit. You now have a piece of kit that
can last almost forever and you can just field fix. -The length of service life
and the use, ease of maintenance, all that, that's really valuable. And since our
business is mainly just to military kind of line goes straight to the end-users to
private purchase items. So even then since it's a reserve army
we have, and professional soldiers and conscripts doing their service, or like
millionaires, just regular guys having day jobs, kids, shit like that, so
they can afford to, well, some of them can and some of them could, but it's better to offer a
alternative that meets all the military fake demands for quality and you give the
functionality, it is better than the issued gear, at a cost that is like
reasonable. You don't have to pay like a hundred buckaroos for a mag pouch.
That's a lot about what Varusteleka is about. But it has been
very good for us that we have been able to look the broad kind of the
perspective of what's happening here and then that helps us to also to take this
market into consideration when we design our gear. Well what's been going on
with the American military and combat needs has changed a lot I mean you see
the evolution of American gear over just the last decade has changed a lot
So there's a lot of good ideas there that you could also
take to mind and go "well we can make this more simplified or whatever that's with this
education coming here." Because that has happened. So anything particular in
SHOT Show that you saw that you thought was really compelling something very
cool? Gun, gear? Well I think from weapons perspective
the Knights Armament the light machine gun. That is pretty cool and from the gear side I
think there wasn't one single kind of invention but lots of small bits and
pieces like smart solutions for the Arbor Arms, armor, what? Shit, I
forget. What... the guy we were going to see at his workshop? Arbor Arms? Arbor
Armor, yeah, his plate carrier quick release system... Mmh! The best.
I mean chatting to people who actually designed the stuff. Yeah. That's
something you get at SHOT Show, you get to talk to the real people. And Rain Incorporated, they had
that tube cover for the first spear tubes. But it was more like that we could
exchange the ideas about the manufacturing that the kind of design
principles that was very cool, and they had the good gear, so I think it was
more bits and pieces which was good. Yeah and talking to these guys who
manufacture stuff over here, like technicalities is the boring stuff you know,
Nobody wants to, you want to see doorkickers and shit like that.
But for me design it... "How did you do this stitch?" or whatever matters, and
And how do you laser cut without killing yourself with chloride gas? I mean that's a real thing. Not
killing yourself is generally a plus, although some people differ.
So that's extremely valuable and that's not something we get over in Finland.
The only company that makes military tactical gear is our partner, Savotta, so... that's it!
A huge market with so many different vendors. So we only got to whatever they
know and we know, so discussing these things in person is... I think the biggest
thing for us this year at SHOT Show wasn't a particular piece of gear, it was all the
connections we ended up making. All the people we get to talk to, such as yourselves
but also others as well that help us not only understand what's coming in gear
but also we can talk about from a cultural and military and application
and competition perspective there's so many things here and those contexts are
so important. I got to know: can you actually see anything through those?
Yeah I actually can. -Do you just see freedom or do you see...? Yeah, I see freedom yeah. While
in America yeah that's all I see is freedom. Did you ever seen the movie "They Live"?
Where you put on the glasses so who is an alien and what not? Can you tell who's not like a freedom-loving
person with those glasses on? I actually can and I'm being vigilant and I'm just like watching out
for freedom haters. Excellent. Fantastic. You should distribute those, we might need more
of them in the world. So anyway it's been a great SHOT Show for us,
no doubt, and we have more to come with you guys you're gonna come down to visit
us at the end of next week. You got the Desert Brutality match. Gonna be
shooting some run 'n gun. Yeah we're going to see how that goes
and we're going to have some other fun too We're gonna do some some Arizona time.
Yeah looking forward to it. We got to enjoy Finland with you all, and now you get
to enjoy Arizona with us, which I'm looking forward to very much.
Do you have saunas in Arizona? No no no no, all you do is go outside.
Outside and a hose, and it's about the same. In the summer you just put the hose and
boom instant steam, you're good to go. Hose or the hoes? Whichever you prefer.
That was a great time, and we're looking forward to more so cool.
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