FOLLOWING DONALD TRUMP'S DEFENSE OF ROB PORTER, WHO OF
COURSE RESIGNED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT TWO OF HIS EX-WIVES
CAME FORWARD WITH ABUSE ALLEGATIONS, JENNIE WILLOUGHBY,
HIS SECOND EX-WIFE, WANTED TO RESPOND TO THE WAY TRUMP HANDLED
THIS SITUATION.
FIRST TRUMP MADE IT SEEM AS THOUGH THE REAL
VICTIM WAS ROB PORTER EVEN THOUGH THE ABUSE ALLEGATIONS
CAME FROM HIS EX-WIVES -- BY THE WAY, THOSE ALLEGATIONS INCLUDED
A PHOTO OF HIS FIRST EX-WIFE WITH A BLACK EYE.
TRUMP ALSO
TWEETED THE FOLLOWING OVER THE WEEKEND, HE SAID --
>>I AM AMUSED BY THE FACT THAT HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF THE ARBITER
OF SOME ARE TRUE, SOME ARE FALSE.
SO WHICH ARE TRUE AND
WHICH ARE FALSE?
HE PULLS IT OUT OF HIS ASS.
>>THAT'S NOT QUITE FAIR, ANA, I HAVE TO JUMP IN.
THERE WAS ONE
PART OF HER STATEMENT I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT I WANT TO TELL
YOU, AND ONE I REALLY AGREE WITH.
BUT DONALD TRUMP HAS
ALWAYS HAD A CLEAR STANDARD FOR WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT
TRUE.
IF IT'S TO HIS BENEFIT AND HIS FRIENDS' BENEFIT, IT'S NOT
TRUE.
ANY ALLEGATION.
IF IT IS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE
DEMOCRATS THEN IT'S DEFINITELY TRUE.
AL FRANKEN, TRU, JOHN
CONYERS, TRUE, ROY MOORE, NOT TRUE, STEVE WYNN, NOT TRUE,
ROB PORTER, NOT TRUE.
HE'S ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT.
>>HE ALSO HAS THE SAME PATTERN ON COMMENTING ON ANY
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE.
IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, WHEN IT COMES
TO THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS, THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE.
WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, SOME ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE, SOME ARE
NOT.
MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS, SOME OF THEM ARE CRIMINALS AND RAPISTS
AND I'M SURE SOME ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
HE DECIDES TO PLAY BOTH
SIDES WHEN IN REALITY WE KNOW WHERE HE FALLS ON THESE ISSUES.
SO LET'S GO TO JENNIE WILLOUGHBY'S STATEMENT.
SHE
WROTE AN OP-ED FOR TIME MAGAZINE AND SHE SAID THE FOLLOWING --
>>THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, YOU GET THE
GIST OF WHERE TRUMP IS COMING FROM.
SHE CONTINUES TO WRITE --
>>LET ME SAY A COUPLE THINGS ABOUT THAT THAT I DON'T
PARTICULARLY AGREE WITH HER.
FIRST OF ALL SHE SAYS SHE WAS
FLOORED THAT TRUMP HAD THIS REACTION.
COME ON.
OF COURSE
TRUMP HAD THAT REACTION, AND LATER SHE ACKNOWLEDGES IN THE
QUOTE ANA READ THAT OF COURSE WE SHOULD EXPECT TRUMP TO HAVE THIS
REACTION, GIVEN THAT HE'S BEEN ACCUSED BY ALL THESE WOMEN IN
ALLEGATIONS RANGING FROM EXACTLY WHAT ROB PORTER DID TO SOMETIMES
WORSE.
THAT IS MINOR -- LOOK, SAYING THAT SOMETHING IS AN
ALLEGATION, DOES THAT MEAN HE'S CALLING YOU A LIAR?
THAT'S WHAT
I WILL SAY NOT NECESSARILY.
TRUMP IS THE ABSOLUTE WORST
EXAMPLE, BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH DOING THIS STUFF ON
HIS OWN, HE'S DEFENDED THE WORST PEOPLE, INCLUDING ROY MOORE, WHO
HAVE DONE THE MOST EGREGIOUS THINGS, AND IN HIS CASE HE
PROBABLY DOES MEAN TO CALL YOU A LIAR.
BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE
SAYS SOMETHING IS AN ALLEGATION DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S IT, I DON'T
BELIEVE YOU, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING, AND IT DEPENDS ON THE
CONTEXT.
TRUMP TALKS ABOUT DUE PROCESS, AND A COURT OF LAW WE
HAVE DUE PROCESS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE
VICTIMS.
IT MEANS WE HAVE A CERTAIN PROCEDURE, A LIBERAL
PROCEDURE, FOR HOW TO CONDUCT OUR JUSTICE AND DECIDE WHO
SHOULD GO TO PRISON AND NOT.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE COURT
OF PUBLIC OPINION.
NOBODY GOES TO PRISON IF I THINK OR ANA
THINKS THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG, OR YOU THINK THEY DID SOMETHING
WRONG.
IT COULD AFFECT THEIR JOB, ETC., THAT AGAIN, THERE IS
A PROCESS WITHIN EACH COMPANY FOR THAT, ETC., SO LET'S BE
CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THE NEXT THING SHE SAID I
LOVED, AND I WANT EVERYBODY TO FOCUS ON THAT.
>>WE WILL GET TO THAT IN THE SECOND BECAUSE I WANT TO RESPOND
TO WHAT YOU SAID.
MY SENSE OF HER WRITING IS ABOUT THE CONTEXT
UNDER WHICH TRUMP MADE THESE STATEMENTS.
I THINK SHE'S TAKING
THE FULL CONTEXT OF HIS STATEMENTS AND RESPONDING TO
THAT.
BECAUSE KNOWING TRUMP AND KNOWING THE WAY HE HAS RESPONDED
TO THESE SIMILAR ALLEGATIONS, NOT ONLY THE SIMILAR ALLEGATIONS
HE HAS DEALT WITH, BUT THE ALLEGATIONS THAT ROY MOORE DEALT
WITH, GIVES EVERYONE AN IDEA AS TO HOW SERIOUSLY TRUMP TAKES
THESE ALLEGATIONS.
AND BY THE WAY THE FIRST LIEN IN HIS SUITE
WAS PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE BEING SHATTERED BY A MERE ALLEGATION.
NO, IT WASN'T A MERE ALLEGATION, IT WASN'T LIKE ONE INDIVIDUAL
CAME FORWARD AND SAID ROB PORTMAN SLAPPED ME ONCE.
NO,
THERE ARE TWO WOMEN, HIS EX-WIVES, WHO CAME FORWARD, ONE
WITH ACTUAL PHOTO EVIDENCE OF THE ABUSE SHE SUFFERED WHILE SHE
WAS WITH HIM.
SO I THINK HER PIECE IS MORE ABOUT THE CONTEXT
IN WHICH THIS SITUATION HAS PLAYED OUT.
I THINK IF IT WAS
ANYONE ELSE WHO SAID IN A CRIMINAL CASE THIS PERSON IS
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
AND BY THE
WAY, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DUE PROCESS, AGAIN, CENK, YOU
MENTIONED, HAS TO DO WITH CRIMINAL CASES.
ROB PORTMAN --
SORRY, PORTER -- OF COURSE IS ENTITLED TO DUE PROCESS IF HE'S
FACING CRIMINAL CHARGES.
BUT IN THIS CASE HE ISN'T FACING
CRIMINAL CHARGES, HE'S DEALING WITH ACCUSATIONS WHICH BY
THE WAY ANY OTHER EMPLOYER WOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY AND PROBABLY
CONSIDER FIRING THEIR EMPLOYEE OVER.
>>AND THEY KNEW ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS BUT DIDN'T FIRE HIM
UNTIL IT WAS MADE PUBLIC.
AND LET ME DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT YOU
WERE SAYING, BECAUSE IF SHE'S JUST SAYING IT IN REGARDS TO
TRUMP IT'S HARD TO DISPUTE BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE
ACCUSATIONS, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THE BLACK EYE PICTURE, ROB
PORTER'S EXPLANATION OF THAT WAS SHE SOMEHOW GOT HIT WITH A VASE.
THAT'S THE WORST IT'S YOU SAID EVER HEARD.
>>VASES SOMETIMES WILL JUMP OUT AT YOU.
>>SOMEHOW.
AND IN TRUMP'S CASE HE HAS OVER AND OVER AGAIN
DEFENDED PEOPLE WITH INCREDIBLY CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS,
OVERWHELMINGLY CREDIBLE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THEM,
AND OBVIOUSLY FOR HIS OWN POLITICAL INTERESTS.
NOW LET'S GET TO THE PART I LOVE, THE NEXT QUOTE.
>>ALL RIGHT --
>>I WILL TELL YOU WHY I LOVE THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF
MANIPULATIVE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE
ABOUT PHYSICAL ABUSE, AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T HAVE TO BE
ABOUT TRUMP.
I THINK IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE, I THINK WHAT SHE
IS TALKING ABOUT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
THERE'S THIS INSTINCT,
NOT BECAUSE EVERYONE IS A BAD GUY, AND SHE SAID IT'S NOT EVEN
BECAUSE OF THE OLD BOYS' CLUB, SHE SAYS WHEN SOMEONE IS ACCUSED
EVERYONE IS UNCOMFORTABLE.
DID HE PUNCH HER IN THE FACE?
WE
KNEW HIM PROFESSIONALLY, AND SO IT'S AWKWARD.
PEOPLE
SUBCONSCIOUSLY NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD, BUT THEY ARE TRAINED
NOT TO WANT TO BELIEVE IT.
YOU SEE ORRIN HATCH AND JOHN KELLY
IN THE CASE OF PORTER GO I'VE WORKED WITH HIM AND HE'S BEEN A
PERFECT GENTLEMAN TO ME, AND I THINK THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE THAT
IS NOT TALKED ABOUT ENOUGH, WHERE WE ALL WANT TO JUST GET
PAST IT.
SO FOR DECADES AND CENTURIES, ETC., ESPECIALLY
WOMEN HAVE NOT BEEN BELIEVED, BECAUSE IT'S MORE
CONVENIENT AND LESS AWKWARD TO NOT BELIEVE THEM.
>>IT'S MORE CONVENIENT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ACTION
AGAINST SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW BASED ON THOSE ALLEGATIONS.
IT'S
EASIER AND MORE CONVENIENT TO JUST NOT BELIEVE OR DISTRUST THE
PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING FORTH THOSE ALLEGATIONS FOR SURE.
BUT
I THINK THERE ALSO SOME PEOPLE FROM A DIFFERENT ERA WHERE IT
WAS ACCEPTABLE TO BEAT YOUR WIFE.
I WILL KEEP IT REAL.
AND
THAT TIME PERIOD WAS NOT THAT LONG AGO.
REMEMBER, WHEN WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POLITICAL
PARTY WHO REFUSES TO SIGN LEGISLATION LIKE THE VIOLENCE
AGAINST WOMEN ACT, WHICH WOULD JUST MERELY PROVIDE A LEGAL
FRAMEWORK IN WHICH WOMEN WHO HAVE DEALT WITH DOMESTIC ABUSE
CAN GO FORWARD WITH SOME SORT OF LEGAL ACTION TO PROTECT
THEMSELVES.
REPUBLICANS TIME AND AGAIN VOTE AGAINST THAT.
WHY
WOULD THEY VOTE AGAINST THE VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT?
I
THINK THERE IS AN IDEOLOGY AT PLAY AS WELL ON TOP OF THE
CONVENIENCE YOU MENTIONED.
>>THERE IS ALSO CULTURAL SHIFTS HAPPENING.
WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE
OF ONE NOW.
I DON'T MEAN IN TERMS OF ABUSE TOWARDS YOUR
WIFE, I HOPE EVERYONE FINDS THAT UNACCEPTABLE NOW, ALTHOUGH THERE
ARE PEOPLE FROM GENERATIONS IN THE PAST TO THINK WHAT IS THE
BIG DEAL, AS YOU POINT OUT.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE STILL THINK IT'S
OKAY TO ABUSE YOUR CHILDREN.
WE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE TO TALK ABOUT, WHAT DEGREE OF ABUSE,
THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE.
ADRIAN PETERSON, FAMOUSLY,
BUT YOU CAN PICK 1000 EXAMPLES, A STAR NFL RUNNING BACK, WOULD
HIT HIS CHILDREN WITH A SWITCH.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD GO IT
HAPPENED TO ME, IT'S OKAY.
IT'S NOT OKAY.
AND PART OF IT IS SO
UNCOMFORTABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT YOU JUST WANT TO GET PAST IT AND
GO BEYOND IT.
SHE CONTINUED ALONG THAT LINE, I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE THIS FOR ANYONE WHO HAS GONE THROUGH THIS, SHE SAID
ON TOP OF THAT WHEN PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE YOU AND THEY GO TO THAT
AUTOMATIC -- AND SHE SAYS SOMETIMES I'VE GONE TO THAT
AUTOMATIC INSTINCT, SHE SAID WITH THE ME TOO THING, SHE SAID
IS IT REALLY TRUE?
SO SHE'S NOT TRYING TO BLAME YOU, SHE'S
TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS, SHE SAYS IF YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO
SUFFERED AND HAS BEEN A VICTIM OF THIS, IT CHILLS AWAY AT YOUR
SELF-ESTEEM AND SELF-WORTH UNTIL YOU WERE UNSURE IF YOUR VERSION
OF REALITY IS VALID OR NOT.
THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT POINT THAT
THEY WITH MANIPULATORS -- ABUSERS ARE OFTEN ALSO
MANIPULATORS.
THEY WILL MAKE IT SEEM LIKE IT'S YOUR FAULT.
AND
IF WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, WE ARE SO MUCH
MORE -- WE HAVE GONE SO MUCH MORE TOWARDS FIXING THE PROBLEM.
AND FOR SO LONG WE HAVE NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED IT.
AGAIN, I THINK
SHE IS CLEAR ENOUGH IN THE ARTICLE, DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY
SINGLE ALLEGATION IS TRUE, BUT IF SOMEONE IS AN ACTUAL VICTIM
OF ABUSE FOR SO LONG THEY HAVE NOT BEEN BELIEVED.
THE AUTOMATIC
SETTING WAS DON'T BELIEVE.
SO SHE IS LIGHT, CAN WE SWITCH IT?
IT TOOK SO MUCH FOR THESE PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD, CAN WE SWITCH
THE AUTOMATIC SETTING?
AND OF COURSE YOU CAN REBUT THE
PRESUMPTION.
AND SHE ENDS WITH THIS, FOR ANY PEOPLE CURRENTLY
IN A POSITION OF ABUSE, IT'S REAL, YOU WEREN'T CRAZY, I
BELIEVE YOU.
SO IN COURT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CHANGE THE
BURDEN OF PROOF, BUT WHEN PEOPLE COME OUT CAN WE DO A RESET AND
THINK ABOUT, OKAY, HOW HAVE WE REACTED IN THE PAST AND WHAT IS
THE RIGHT WAY TO REACT TODAY?
AND TO AUTOMATICALLY REJECT ALL
THOSE CASES AND ALLEGATIONS OF ABUSE HAS BEEN SYSTEMATICALLY
WRONG FOR ALL THIS TIME.
SO IF WE ARE DOING A RESET HERE AND
WILLOUGHBY IS PART OF THAT, THEN GOD BLESS HER.
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