Mic test, mic test. 1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3.
(SIGH)
I can't stand it anymore!
CAN'T STAND IT
I can't stand it anymore, and today I'm going to rant about it.
For real, this is too much.
It's gonna be a great content for Youtube
Hi, Everyone
I will start the stream as soon as possible, so just give me 5 minutes
I'm preparing right now
"I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE"
Make a provocative thumbnail
makes title like "DEATH to ALL CAMMY" and stuffs
Alright. Let's talk about the topic
To explain the reason why I am streaming today
I grind Street Fighter V off stream nowadays
and on stream I show some games that I play casually like Splatoon 2
But, yesterday.....
Yesterday was kinda...
there were many talks surrounding the results of the recent tournament - FvCup in Malaysia
Talks like there are too many Cammy on Top 8
and those Cammy are getting more and more hated by the audience
Twitter blow out like crazy, saying something like "there are too many Cammy in the TOP 8"
So I decided for today, I'm going to talk about Cammy
I'm going to talk about it only in Korean so take attention
and later I'm going to upload the video with English subtitle on Youtube
so those who can't speak Korean can go there and watch that instead
Haitani's consecutive fight against Cammy was too much
He was definitely having a hard time back then
Alright, let's talk about it
Actually
in the history of Street Fighter series
There were so many games that Cammy was a high tier character
When she was first introduced in Super Turbo, she was considered a low tier character
she was not really strong
after that there was Capcom vs SNK 2, released in 2001
back then, she was famous for having one of the best normals, fast movements, and hit-and-run style divekick
So her game plan was keep on the pressure game with her grabs and normals
to reduce opponent's guard gauge and secure the win.
in order for Cammy to do big damage in this game you have to invest your meter
that was Cammy in CVS2
But in Street Fighter IV, Cammy suddenly become one of the strongest character in the game.
She was strong back in vanilla SF4 days
But in SSF4, Sakonoko found out Instant Canon Strike, in which makes Cammy a lot stronger
Fast Movement
Good Attack Damage
Safe Gameplan
mobility
Various Option Selects and that overpowered Instant Canon Strike was crazy back in SSF IV
With this, her place in the SFIV tier list went sky high
Some players, like K-brad from America
and Xiaohai from China were able to do great performance with SSFIV Cammy
Even in USF IV, she was consider high to almost god tier among all the characters
In Street Fighter V, what happened?
From Season 1~3, 2016 to 2018
She was always at the highest tier among the characters
Not even once was there a time where she was not a top tier character
Shall we talk about Street Fighter V a little bit more?
First of all
Her Canon Strike is insane
(EX Canon Strike) That ridiculous plus frame in every situation
Ridiculous pressure game in close range
Let's see...
Now the lift upper is still a good anti-air, but back in Season 1 it was even better
There were so many ridiculous things in the past seasons
Now for Season 2 Cammy
She become stronger
some new techs like st.lk into grab were developed
Overall, nothing changed. She was very strong
Season 2 Cammy was the wekeast among all seasons but nothing has significantly changed from Season 1
and now...
and now... Season 3
They nerfed st.lk but buffed cr.lp in the process
which in terms made her close range pressure even better
They nerfed Lift Upper but buffed light Canon Spike so that it has invincibility for anti-air
Which allow Cammy to have Lift Uppers, air grab, Light Canon Spike
Heavy Canon Spike, EX. Canon Spike with invincibility against aintiair
Therefore, if the opponent tries to jump over you, you can just do reverse DP
If you can read your opponent you can do an air grab
If it's in the situation and you have only few frames to think about what button to push
You can just do Lift Uppers
Just pick an anti-air you like
in short, Cammy was strong thru out all the season
But there was a time where there was a massive growth of Cammy Players
Which was after NCR 2018, where Capcom announced there will be a balance patch for the game
What was added for Cammy in Patch 3.5 is that....
First they added "Roller Coaster"
After activating V-Trigger 1, you can now Can Strike after a Canon Spike!
They buffed V-Trigger 2 and tweaked little bit of normals
and these changes made so many players switched to Cammy
Yeah, there were some nerfs
like nerfing the amount of stun caused by normal grab which was needed in the first place
I mean, 200 stun gauge for a normal grab was just too much
Furthermore, I don't remember correctly but they also buffed her Stun Capacity
Yeah, there's that
When I first saw the patch
I couldn't understand the intention of Capcom for adding that "RollerCoaster" for Cammy
Like... "Why did you add this? I don't understand"
Even some Cammy users were like "I don't know why you gave me this buff, but thank you anyway~"
These were some of the opinions that I got from actual Cammy players back then
"I don't know why they gave her this buff, But I mean a buff is a buff so... thank you Capcom"
Before 3.5 Patch, if you get hit by Canon Spike that was it and you can just say "I can take that"
But now you can't do that anymore because Cammy can either do a follow up Canon Strike
or in other scenarios, you might get hit by a EX Canon Spike or even Critical Arts
Furthermore, those nerfs for Cammy was very subtle
You can feel some characters getting nerfed very hard, but Cammy is not one of them
Her Lift Upper is still a good anti-air to say the least
you just need to be a LITTLE bit more careful
Very subtle
All the nerfs are very subtle, while all the buffs are very viable options
This balance changes make so many players do their shift to Cammy Online and Offline
Even in the tournaments
If we look at all the Cammy players who made results in CPT
In Season 1 there were Kazunoko and Xiaohai
and in Korean scene, Verloren and NL was also rising up as a strong cammy players
Verloren made his name in 2017
and now NL who've won 1st place in a ranking and a premier tourney
So, to look at it overall there's Kazunoko, Xiaohai, Verloren and NL
But
If you look at all the tournaments that were held within a month
First of all: CEO
Look at Xiaohai, going his absolute limit and getting second place after a very long break in CEO 2018
and to say the truth
It didn't felt like he did too much of a practice
but it was more of a synergy of his absolute talent in gaming and the ridiculousness of 3.5 Cammy
I don't think he will get the same result if he uses other characters like Gouki, Menat or Guile
What was the next tourney that Xiaohai went?
I remember it was a tourney in Asia and he got 2nd place there too
Yeah... it felt like he was overwhelming his opponents using his raw talent
It was a tourney in Asia.....
Yeah, Abuget Cup 2018. It was this place where he also get another 2nd place.
It was Gachikun who was the winner, he seems to know Cammy Match-ups very well
But still, Xiaohai got 2nd place again using Cammy there
Also, if you look at Sonic Boom 2018, one of the recent tourney that was held in Spain
Hurricane, who've played Cammy since the early day, was the winner of the tourney
Even second place was a Cammy player (though I don't recognize the name, was it Kobeko??)
I will search for it now since what we need now is hard facts
Let me check the result from Sonic Boom 2018
Who won again....?
Hurricane was first place, that I remember perfectly
So, first place was Hurricane, using Abigail and Cammy
Next up is Cobelcog, a Cammy only user.
I had a match with him back when I was in a France tourney
He was pretty good at using her
pretty dangerous
3rd Place was Shakz, a Laura player who I had a match during Last Chance Qualifier last year
But he also uses Cammy, he use both characters!
Laura and Cammy
in 9th place, there's Momi
So, if you look at the characters that are used in TOP 8
There's Cammy, Cammy, Cammy...
Chunli/Menat since it is GO1
Angrybird's Gouki
Luffy's Mika
John Takeuchi's Rashid
Akainu's Guile
and lastly, Momi's Cammy
As you can see, it all revolve around those top tier characters, while Cammy being the most frequent one
and now,
in FvCup, the most recent Street Fighter tournament that was held in Malaysia
I had no words while looking at the matches
I went to my friend's house and tell him there's a Street Fighter tourney going on so we should watch it
After Tekken, where we cheer for JeonDding
The first match of TOP 8, Cammy shows up
Ok... It's UD, a Cammy player from China, versus someone... ok I get it
After UD's lost, there's another Cammy !
and when I look at the nametag, it was Mago who recently change his main to Cammy
and we continued watching, only to be told it's another Cammy player
This time it is a local player who mains Cammy, forgot his gametag though
and after that, there's a Cammy mirror match
since Gamerbee mains Cammy now
Nekoxx? Don't know how to pronounce it
So... to summarize the situation... (SIGH)
There are just way too many Cammy players
I remember that I saw like 6 consecutive matches with Cammy in them
If you look at chat, a troll here is saying why you talking about Cammy when you are using Menat
Let me ask you this: How many Menat players do you know?
Why Cammy is a problem right now is that
There are at least one Cammy user in almost all the tourney until this point
At least all the tourney that I was in, Cammy was there
now...
Let's compare Cammy to Menat
One of the character that receive most hate is Menat
Reason being her playstyle is too passive and because of that it is very lame to watch her matches
Now if you look at all the Premiere events, I've been there and went Top 8 with her
Which means Menat has shown up at least 5 times
Yes, she shows up a lot
It's a fact and I can't deny that
But, beside me. Who's playing her?
Who?
If you look at all the premiere, Noone ever reached TOP 8 with her except Sakonoko
noone
No-one
You also need to exclude GO1 because he is focusing real hard on DBFZ now
Among all the premieres up to this point, Only I have consistently show up in TOP 8 using Menat
Does it means that Menat is top tier and I'm taking advantage of it?
I would answer that while she is strong, it's my skills that bring me to Top 8 not the character
Justin Wong has never won a Premiere tourney using Menat
He's only made some results in the ranking event there in US
Right? This is the fact
You need to acknowledge this fact
I'm not saying Menat is not strong
I've said it many times, but she is a strong character
but I'm just saying she is not at the same level as Cammy
I don't think you can name a single reason saying it's wrong, because this is what results are telling you
Yes. Menat is strong
But, as shown in the data
in CEO, Sakonoko was able to use Menat to get higher place than me
Also, I don't know if you guys remember
But I've told you guys that I've never seen a such a difficult character in the history of fighting game
But Cammy, she is simple
Very Simple
SIMPLE. IS. DA. BEST
It's so simple yet she is able to makes some situations where even Daigo needs to guess the next move
Very easily, unlike Menat
Menat's anti-air is hard
her pressure is hard to do
Her trigger is a nightmare
her reversal is bad which makes it really hard to escape certain situations
and lastly, she's weak in defensive options
Cammy is very strong in defensive option
I'm not talking about her HP and stun gauge here
What I'm saying is that she has many combos to link with his 3 frames normal
which makes her opponents unable to do frame traps consistently
It's also very hard to jump over Cammy because she has so many anti-air options
Furthermore, it is very hard to keep on pressure Cammy because one Spiral Arrow means the end of your turn
Her V-reversal is also too good, even if it is a nerfed version. Since you can't hit her if she spaces you right
That's why you can either play defensively using Cammy's V-reversal or aggressively like Kazunoko
Her defensive options is really good
and these are the reason to support that point
That's why I'm saying she's too strong
Also her movement speed is fast, which further strengthen her defensive option
Since this game's low attack is not good so you need do move backward to avoid certain moves
Her movement speed allows her to avoid the attack pretty easily
Which is also Menat's weaknesses, since her movement speed is slow
Now, there are these differences.
But now since we are focusing on Cammy now
Let's talk some more about Cammy
So...
Many Cammy Players in Spain (SonicBoom)
and even in Malaysia(FvCup), Cammy was just everywhere
See, you guys talk about Menat
But there was never a guy who met Menat consecutively in a tournament
In fact, only me and Sakonoko are making good enough results with this character
Tha't the fact
Now, this is the Top 5 characters for SFV in my opinion
Menat, Cammy, Ibuki, Gouki and Guile. I think these are the top tier character in the current meta
Among these characters
If someone asks who's the easiest character, who will be your answer?
Menat is definitely not the one
which means you need to choose between Gouki, Cammy, Guile and Ibuki
Ibuki's out, she's really hard
She is hard to use
Gouki is one of the best character in the game but I think he is relatively hard to use
He is pretty hard because there are many situations and skills you need to know to be really good at him
He is REALLY good, but also very hard
Now there's only Cammy and Guile left
Guile's might seems like an easy to use character
But all those characters with fireball and anti-air moves needs to be extra careful with their spacing
This fireball game is very hard to master
His normal is good, but the players needs to take time to learn the fireball game
That's why I think Cammy is the easiest characters to use among these five characters
Guile is not that easy to learn
Once you reach a skillgap with him you can do some nasty stuffs for sure
But I don't think he is an easy character to begin with
On the other hand
Cammy can utilize this game's system in the best way posible
Like for example, close range pressure
This game does not have many defensive options
That's why it encourage aggressive gameplay
Cammy has many tools to easily force her opponents to do certain moves
Which she can later punish the opponent with the maximum damage combo
That's the big difference
Now. Let's imagine
Let's imagine you have a match against Cammy
Let's say Cammy vs Cammy, a mirror match
Both sides are spamming her normals
These normals, when hits, easily translate into Spiral Arrow
Therefore, the first one to get hit by that get down
Now the winning Cammy can pressure with many tools
After that, either cr.lp or whatever.
That Cammy who got hit by spiral arrow is going to be in disadvantage
and the winning cammy will have somany options to crush his opponent's guard
You can either shimmy, different frame traps with normals
Also she has cr.lp and her grab which does decent damage
That's why when you are in disadvantage, you usually just take the grab
You see, a st.mp or st.hp to spiral arrow roughly translate into 100~150 damage
then you get a grab, and the damage stock up from 250 to 300
What I am trying to say here is that it is very easy to land this 250~300 damage with Cammy
Every Cammy's normals have a very good hitbox and recovery frame
very fast
It's so fast and safe that it is so hard for the opponent to whiff punish against Cammy
For example
which character should I use as an example
Let's pick a Mid tier
Let's say Ken is spamming his hard kick to make crush counter
But the animation is pretty big and slow
You can easily whiff punish his attack, but it's not the same situation with Cammy
It's more like you need guess that opponent's Cammy doing a normal
So that you can read your opponent to whiff punish her normal
or just whiff punish by sheer luck
You can't punish her just by looking at her animation and have to make a guess.
for a certain extent
Get back to the Cammy mirror match example
"Oh my, I got grabbed so many times, I NEED to grab cancel"
then the winning Cammy can simply cr.lp into backdash into st.hp or do shimmy against him
and all these options can do pretty decent damage
That's why it is very hard to grab cancel against Cammy
and....
Cammy as a character, does not only excels in defense, but also excels in offense
Right now there's an offical stats graph for every characters in the game
They have stats like, speed, power, techincal and stuffs
Cammy in the offical stats graph shows that she has 3 in power
If the highest number for each stats is 5, I think she deserves a solid 4
The reason for that is because her moves has a very high stun damage
Cammy might not have a good attack damage, but her stun damage is very high
let's say you land a st.mp -> st.hp into Spiral Arrow
you can get pretty decent damage with that simple combo
But
If you ever use a EX gauge in a combo
something like medium punch, hard kick, spiral arrow into EX Canon Spike
The damage become remarkable and pretty easy to do in the corner
But do you guys know?
I'll give a comparison between Ryu and Cammy for this example
As a standard character....
Wow, a hit wave notice just came
Let's take an example of Ryu, a standard character with Fireball and Dragon Punch
Take an example of his DP's damage
So.... If you look at Ryu's Dragon Punch
light DP's stun damage is 150, 100 if it was hit in the last bit
same for medium
and same for heavy DP, except Heavy DP's stun damage is fixed to 150 in every cases
You only get 200 stun damage if you use EX Dragon Punch
Only if you use EX meter
EX DP is the only way
Now, let's look at Cammy shall we
If you look at her Canon Spike, every version does the same stun damage of 200
very simple
Just 200 right away, no matter how you hit it
Light, Medium, Heavy and even EX deal 200 stun damage
I didn't see the stun damage if you get hit by the tip, but if that's also 200 it's really high
Therefore
If you are in the corner thinking "Hey, Canon Spike doesn't do that much damage"
U can say that but you need to know her DP's stun damage
I once saw a tweet
in this tweet, the person says he hate being grabbed by Cammy
and one of the reply was "Just let her grab you"
"She has no overhead or anything after the grab so just get grab"
When I first see that reply
In my mind, I was thinking "This guys knows nothing about Cammy"
If you remember correctly, in Season 2 her normal grab does 200 stun damage
When her normal grab's stun damage was 200
This grab deals so much stun damage
and in the corner, you might get into a throw loop
Maybe harder than other characters back then, but her throw loop was super dreadful because of her shimmy
If you do a normal in your wake ups
you might get hit by her st.mp which is a counter and cause around 500 stun damage
But if you just get grabbed a couple of times, that's also like around 400~600 stun damage
That's why they nerfed normal grab's stun damage in Season 3
But
While her normal grab got nerf, her cr.lp got buffed which makes more options to link into grab
That's why instead of stun, her damage significantly increased
that's why there's not a lot of difference between two versions of Cammy
Back then, her normal grab's stun damage was very high
if you link a grab after a light kick
you really have to bet your soul into your 3 frames normal to get out of her throw loop
now her grab's stun damage is lower
but she got a lot more safer ways to link into her grab
I think this is just ridiculous
and just to clarify
I'm not saying just because Cammy is OP they should nerf her to death
nor I'm saying any players who's using Cammy is just taking her advantages
I'm just stating some solid reasons behind why this character is having so much hate right now
I'm not trying to say any Cammy player is bad, you need to understand this
This is Capcom's decision, and the players are just making a decision based on Capcom's decision
I'm not trying to do anything here
Actually, I think it's better to just keep Cammy the same while buffing other characters to the same level
So, these changes are not a big problem
I'm just saying it is just too much to see 6 consecutive Cammy matches at Top 8
I think it's just better where every characters have a OP stuffs of their own
To be frank, I think Season 3....
uhh...
The tier is almost the same from last season
at the top, there's Ibuki
Menat
Gouki
Guile
and.... who was the last one again?
Gouki, Cammy, Guile, Menat, Ibuki
These five characters are taking most of the spots in the tournaments
but if you just look at the lower tier, Characters are quite diverse
What it means is that, that 5 characters are way better than most of the cast in the game
The at the same level of KOF 98' where the only viable options are Iori, Chizuru and Chris
If KOF was a 1 v 1 game, I think it will be even worse
It's because the game is 3 v 3 you are able to see 3 viable options
It's because the game is 3 v 3
now look
It's because you need to pick 3 characters, term such as Ichigo (Iori, Chizhuru & Chris) exists
If it was 1 v 1, it might just be something like
Goro, Goro, Goro, Goro.....
Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris...
something like that
Iori, Iori, Iori, Iori.... something like that
That's how the game gonna be if it was 1 v 1
All the fighting game has this sort of balance issues
what I'm trying to say about balance is that
It is natural that a top tier characters exists
It is the same for every game
Look at KOF XIII
don't even need to look at XIV
Let's just use KOF XIII as an example since it is the latest KOF with great 2d sprites
Let's skip XIV for now
KOF XIII was the same, you can always see Kim
Mister Karate
It's the same
Same characters show up almost every time
It is the same for USF IV
Some characters like Evil Ryu, Ken, Elena always shows up. It has the same problem
Isn't Tekken 7 have this problem too?
You can always see Dragonov
and some characters like Kazumi and Devil Jin always show up
Sometimes Jack 7, but overall even Tekken 7 suffers from this same problem
Even DBFZ has the same problem
Even the Savior of 2D Fighters has the same issue
You can always see Cell, Kid Buu, sometimes Gotenks, Vegita for the assists, Bardock... Same Problem
Bardock,
Bardock, Cell,
Bardock, Cell, Kid Buu
and maybe Adult Gohan's are always there with some assists along the line
Even that game is suffering from the balance issue
It's the same for every game
It's not only SFV that has this problem, as you can see here
It's all the same
That's why...
Do you guys see HIT in the tourney nowadays?
Let's look at TOP 8 from the recent tourneys, were there any HIT players?
I like HIT as a character, but does he show up?
Does he?
No, right?
How about Young Gohan, does he show up?
No, right?
How about Ginyu? Of course no. and even his Boss Friezer
Do you see any Friezer at TOP 8? No, you don't
Even Beerus who I haven't seen anyone who play him in a tourney
Was Beerus even in the game? I almost forgot about his existence
After SonicFox drop HIT I haven't seen anyone uses him
Let's go back to Street Fighter V
Do you see Ryu in Top 8? How about Ken?
How about Juri? I was the only one who went Top 8 using her
Maybe for Menat there's Sako, but Juri, there's no one who goes to Top 8 except me
Hoe about Ed? How about Falke? No, they just don't show up
This is Street Fighter V
Look at Tekken 7, if you exclude Jeondding, can you see any other Eddie or Chloe player?
The answer is no
Can you see Lei-wulong...
Ahh... wait, he's not even in the game~~
Oh~ I'm sorry brother
You are not even in the game, I'm sorry~
Lei is not in the game, I didn't know~ I'm sorry
They might add it later
Every fighting game has some sort of balance issue
But, a result like yesterday (FvCup)
Where we have to see 6 consecutive Cammy matches was a rare case, that's what I'm trying to say
So, if we talk more about Cammy
Yesterday, Twitter exploded saying things about Cammy
Players like Humanbomb tweeted something like "Cammy Cammy Cammy...."
I also saw some tweets like "Is this a real life that we saw 6 consecutive Cammy matches in TOP 8?"
There were also some sarcastic tweets saying something like "Thank you Capcom" or "Thank you Woshige"
For Haitani
Looking at his tweet
"I met UD's Cammy"
"then I met Gamerbee's Cammy and lost"
"Then I met another Cammy, this time Mago"
"and when I win again, I met UD again"
Like he was having a real struggles with Cammy
and I was like "Wow...."
"This Cammy situation is very bad, and Haitani's in real struggle"
Now let's just say we gonna nerf Cammy
First, you need to remove her "Roller Coaster" in V-trigger 1
I really don't get the reason behind this move and I think they need to delete it
I don't think lowering her health is a right move, I think she is good as it is
because her archetype is a glass canon, so I think this health is good enough
I hope they don't nerf her character identity
a bee like character who uses hit-and-run tactics with her high mobility and high damage output
Keep her movement speed
lower the stun damage of her Canon Spike
200 is just too much
200 stun damage in any versions and situations is just too absurd and they should just lower it to 150
Keep the cr.lp
Keep the cr.lp into grab, She can keep that
I think a little nerf in the corner situation will do the tricks
I think they should keep the grab game after Spiral Arrow
if they put more knockback to Cammy's cr.lp Cammy has nothing to do
Like really, if they put more knockback to either her medium or light attack will cripple her power a lot
A big reason for this is because Cammy doesn't have a overhead nor a low attack
I've talked to Verloren and NL about it and they agreed that it's not something Capcom should change
because it can kill Cammy's identity as a close range pressure character
so, keep the pressure game
I think a little bit more push back after the grab is needed
Right now, the push back is too close in my opinion
If you look at Abigail's grab, it makes a real wide distance between two characters
but because it is in the corner, he is still able to gain some advantages against the opponents
this advantageous yet not absurd push back is great
Right now, The push back caused by Cammy's grab is still very close
and she is able to do either another grab or shimmy
So, just a little bit more push back
I don't think cr.hp need a nerf
I think they should keep that normal for Cammy
I mean, it is strong, but it is not absurd
That's about it?
I hope they remove "Roller Coaster" even if it was like a latest addition
adding a little bit of push back after the grab in the corner
lower the Canon Spike's stun damage
I think these changes will be good enough to keep her viable while not being too ridiculous
These changes will be enough to make her weaker yet still being one of the strongest character
But still, these are just some of my suggestions
I'm fine if they just keep her this way
and I still think it is better to just buff the weak characters to make the games more balance
I think it is better to just buff the weak characters while keep Cammy as is
Last but not the least
Cammy is strong whether you are an amateur or a pro
to be completely frank
Yesterday there were many Cammy players right?
If you hide their name tag and face and just show a Cammy mirror match
can you distinguish who is who?
Let's face it
Say we have an all Cammy Top 8
Let's say all those Cammy players, such as Kazunoko, NL, Verloren, Xiaohai, Cobelcog, Hurricane, Mago and UD in the Top 8
and all the nametag and face were hidden
I think among those 8, I can only distinguish Kazunoko and Xiaohai because their playstyles are unique
Donation: Cammy needs to nerf to Death and this is what we need for the balance of the game
Man, you are really pissed about Cammy
Ah yeah! I can differentiate NL too because his unique way of hit confirm ans set-ups are relatively easy to recognize
Let's just put some more players
add some players like Gamerbee who recently changed his main to Cammy
if you added all of them, you can't differentiate each other very well except for those selected few
really
I didn't include Nuckle Du because he use Cammy more as a sub then a switch
I can differentiate him but I exclude him because of that
Punk.... well, if you really put those two, it will become even harder to differentiate each other
(laugh) there's so many
Let's just put all of them in
You know what makes it even funnier?
I wanted to do the same with Menat, but there are not a lot to talk about
I was making a point where if you put all those Cammy players in there you can't differentiate from each other
Shall we try the same with Meant?
uh... let's see, first Infiltration, and Sako...
That's it?
There's no existence
You can say GO1 is focusing on DBFZ now
so I don't think you can't add him in
Alright, we can add Justin Wong, but even if you do there's only three
I really think we need to exclude GO1 because he is focusing on DBFZ now
That's it!
Even Justin Wong, while me and Sako is using Menat as our main, plays other characters like Karin and Falke regularly
So, if you really push it, there are only three players
Furthermore, all three of us has a very different playstles from each other
Justin Wong's usually play with her lp and during trigger he always start the combo with st.mp and he never slide
he is also pretty weak in V-trigger combo
For Sakonoko, if you look at the combos and set-ups and says "holy cow, what is that?" then that's Sako
"Uhh... another St.lp... I'm sleepy...." then that's Justin Wong
and I'm in the middle where I usually move back and anti air with air normals
if you see a Menat using V-trigger 2 and do something weird then that's probably me
That's Infiltration for sure
I do all sorts of weird things in the tournaments
Also, while Justin Wong is more famous for st.lp, I am the one who started this meta for Menat
I made it specifically to counter NL's Cammy
Next, let's talk about Ibuki
Xian
Fujimura
That's it?!
Really, that's it
Ok, maybe OG Shine
Ok, let's put Marn since he mains Ibuki too
If you see a more of a steady playstyle, then that's Fujimura
If you see crazy set-ups in the corner, then that's Xian
If the neutral seems just a little bit off compare to Fujimura, then that's Xian
If there's a sudden switch from Ibuki to Mika, then that's Marn
You can differentiate them, but that's just 3 people
Donation: Let just give Abigail the dash and movement speeds like Cammy, it will be an Abigail's paradise
Of course, and you need to remember that during Season 3, he was one of the top tier characters
Now, let's look at Gouki
Won the tournament? Probably Tokido
Tokido lost to Gouki? Probably Takamura
You can see Gouki in every tournaments? Probably Jiewa.
You can differentiate them
but again, not a lot
Don't you think so? Because all these characters are hard.
For Guile, if you see a Guile gave up on charging, then it's probably Daigo
Or maybe if you see someone who's excels in doing EX Summersault, it's probably Daigo
If you see Guile in Europe, then maybe Akainu
something like that
If they do tea-bagging and do cr.mk after standing up, then that's probably Nuckle Du
if there is a chang to Cammy, then it's 100%
Ok, I have talked about all the top tier characters and players who use them
If you look at Cammy players who made results in the past, there's already like 20 of them
But for other characters there's barely 5, which further proves that Cammy is the easiest among those.
I will just name all the players that I now can think of
Gamerbee,
Gamerbee, Nuckle Du,
Gamerbee, Nuckle Du, Punk
Gamerbee, Nuckle Du, Punk, Kazunoko
Gamerbee, Nuckle Du, Punk, Kazunoko, NL
Gamerbee, Nuckle Du, Punk, Kazunoko, NL, Verloren
Gamerbee, Nuckle Du, Punk, Kazunoko, NL, Verloren, UD
Should I add JeonDding? (laugh)
JEONDDING
Let's add JeonDding, who recently defeated Denesis in the tournament
he almost got Itazan in CEO too
Let's put him in (laugh)
What? You ignoring him? he won a Top 8 in a ranking event!
Gamerbee, Nuckle Du, Punk, Kazunoko, NL, Verloren, UD, Jeondding, Mago
Pawell(?) is also a really good Cammy player
there's already more than 10 people
now add Hurricane, Cobelcog
and maybe Shakz since he mains Cammy alongside with Laura
CJ Truth, Xiaohai and now we have 15.
Of course, K-brad
Alex Meyers, which makes it 17
There's already 17 players I've mentioned who played Cammy in a certain extent
Ah Moke! He's Cammy main too, that makes it 18 players
If you guys remember someone that I haven't mention, tell me in the chat
Even if you exclude Jeondding, that's still 17 players
Moke recently changed his main to Cammy
Danslip, of course, now there's 18
that makes it 19 if you include Jeondding
There's almost 20 players
Yeah, Moke is also focusing on DBFZ
There's Osayu, but I only include people who you can see in the tourney so I excluded him
Yeah, there's Momi, he's pretty good too
There's like 20 players who play Cammy
Let's sum it up
Cammy has the strength as a top tier character
But she is also easy to use
Her defense is really strong
Her attack is also really strong
and then...
Whether you are a pro or an amateur, you can pick up this character pretty easily
also not very hard to master compare to other characters
That's what makes her so strong in Street Fighter V
Yeah, Hatsume is another one who plays her
I don't know who is on the level of winning a tournament
But there are a lot of contenders among the Cammy players
Just look at the top 8 yesterday, there were 4 Cammy, are you saying Top 8 is not that strong of a player?
There are many characters who are not even close to be in a Top 8
If you look at another character that's getting hate like Menat
interestingly
Tokido was in E-league
Me and Sakonoko did not go to that tournament
There were no Guiles in the tournaments too
Ibuki and Cammy was in the tournament
both characters won various tournament in the world
Where's Menat?
Where are those people who says Menat is too strong and anyone who pick her can auto-win a tournament?
Once me and Sakonoko's gone, there's no player playing her
Once Tokido's gone, there's no Gouki in Top 8
Once Daigo's gone, there's no Guile in Top 8
But there were 4 Cammy
that's a LOT
There were a few Ibuki, but the noticeable one was Xian
Fujimura, Tokido and Daigo all absent in a tournament had a huge impact
Yeah, I almost forgot Haitani
There's just too many Cammy
Zzamta reached Grand Master using Juri? Wow, that's great, she's a really good player so she deserves it
So she is Grandmaster now, huh? When was it?
Ok
Ahh, she doesn't play Street Fighter anymore?
I mean after Grand Master you basically have nothing to do anymore
If Cammy become a Charge character, she will be a trash tier character
The reason why she is scary is because she walk towards you and do those setups
but if she become a charge character, what makes her scary is basically gone
If Cammy was a charge character, some set-ups like walk into St.hp is not scary anymore
because she can't follow up anything after that
Nothing
Now that it is qcf motion that allows her to link her st.hp into Spiral Arrow
If it is charge motion then she must hold back which in this case she can't link her usual stuff, so it's not scary
not scary at all...
Cammy is not a charge character, what are you guys talking about?
She has never been a charge character, Decapre was charge character
Decapre is OP if her motion was Qcf, so that's the reason why they made it chage
Ah, Super Turbo? that's what you are talking about?
Yeah, you guys are right
I thought you guys are talking about SFV here
That was waaay back though... (laugh)
I thought you guys were talking about SFV
To summarize Cammy in SFV
It's understandable that she got so much hate yesterday in FvCup
She has been showing in the past tournaments way too much
When Menat shows up people say it's boring
but, they rarely show up which balance it out
Only me and Sakonoko is playing her
Sako's playstyle is also very fun to watch
I'm the boring one
But, What can I say? I have to do this if I want to win.
Sakonoko is really strong in V-trigger Comboes, but he seems to lack in the neutral games
That's why if he plays safe it is very hard for him to win
It's very hard for him
There was no Guile there, and while there was Haitani, Gouki was also kinda lacking
Hard to master doesn't exactly translate into presence in the tourney
There were too many Cammy in recent tournaments,
4 Cammy in Top 8 and 5~6 consecutive matches showing Cammy was too much
If they just fix a few things off her
I think she will still be good enough as a top contender while not being absurd as it is now
and I also think it is better to buff the weaker character than nerf the stronger one.
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