Yeah, the conversation starts getting lethal moment by moment
It's always lethal, bro. Yeah, always
so today
we're gonna talk about
one of our favorite dudes Jordan Peterson
Yeah
He's pretty much awesome and it's very very hard to watch the amount of controversy that follows his name
You can throw criticism because there are plenty of things that I've watched myself. I'm showing you you know that
Showcase some shortcomings and the things that he mentions but man they're like be angry at the man for speaking to people
Yeah, well, yeah
It's it's usually just people taking shit out of context
right, like it's never like it's never like he says something that's crazy wackadoo that you could point at and be like
That's a shitty thing to say at this point
Because we're the kind of person that I am that I love to shit on things that I like
I'm kind of waiting for that moment to happen
like no
I don't think anyone's more vigilant than me at this moment in terms of in terms of waiting for
The other shoe to drop in terms of you know
Just in terms of being human and like potentially something some making an error in error. Yeah
well that Jim Jefferies clip was a pretty good example of that where
I forget what they're talking about, but you remember watching that yeah
Oh he was talking about and if the listeners haven't watched it go watch it cause it's awesome. It's hilarious here. It's awesome
Jim Jefferies asks Jordan Peterson if he believes that they should that the Supreme Court should make a gate
Up bakery make a cake for gay people
Yeah be forced to yeah be forced you exactly that's the that's the main point and Jordan Peterson
Reactively, if you can see it Yuki reactively says no
Of course not you know the moment you see the moment he hears government and forced is like oh no
Jim Jefferies to accepts accepts the answer but then retorts with the fact that all
We made it people have to event we forced people to
integrate
races before and it worked in a couple generations
Although there are still there's still some time turmoil here. And there we for the most part have managed to be able to
Come together as a culture more
More favorably oh and as a result, and it was entirely as a result of state compulsion
Entirely. No one can see that the Civil Rights Act was not a means of state compulsion to dry was a certain way
but the results are in and
The world is much more awesome than it was before. Yeah, Jordan Peterson. He he just dropped it
He's like no, I guess not. I guess I was wrong and I loved him for that
I remember you try to show it to me because you use it
You thought that perhaps like Jim Jeffries had gone too far. Like do you really do? I don't know. Okay
Well what it was. Well, I I was just interested in the whole like kind of
Logic trap. I don't know what you would call that because it's like you're saying like
He's like Jim Jeffries is asking them
Do you think it's okay to do enjoy no and then and then he's like you know what?
I think I was wrong by the end of the clip and
The only and then that left me in this exact same position because I'm just following along with the conversation
I'm like, no, I don't think that's right. No, I don't think that's right then
I'm like, oh, I'm fucking Jordan Peterson in this moment
I'm thinking the exact same thing and they're right and then well
that's that's the whole reason I showed you is because I was like
Maybe Jose can fucking help me work out this this little mental and I loved it
I loved it because we can't we can't be dissonance about what what it is
The government took steps in order to be able to essentially rectify our ethical behavior as a society
They said you can't be treating people of color of black people. Whatever
This.x way it has to change and to this day. There's been there's vitriol about that
I mean there are plenty of blogs the moment you touch the keyboard that will that will tell you that?
That was an over overstepping of the state and that perhaps the free market would have been able to handle racism
just fine on its own but
Probably what it taken it would have taken a long time
and and you also have to consider the fact that
the majority will always drives the the capital whichever way they want and
In order to be able to change how the majority thinks you have to unfortunately use the majority's own rules to do so
It's dangerous work
It's dangerous work, but it paid off it. Did it paid off?
To my mind as a Latino male. I feel very comfortable and I love this country
Unbelievably as a result of the immense advancements that we've had in terms of social and ethical issues
I think ma. Yeah like yeah, I think it could be argued that in that sense. This is probably
Among in the top three places to live in that particular sense. No doubt, you know at least like in the world
Yeah without having to without having to touch an ocean. I feel that this is you know, you know
Creme de la creme in terms of places to live as a result of that
I love it so much that it can't help but want it to be better and sometimes necessary to?
You know bring out the rod not the whip but to straighten up the back
I feel you know, just kind of run it up and be like we can do a little better
We were slouching in certain areas
And I think that's what Jordan Peterson really brings to the table
if you genuinely
Listen without for much further than just one clip here in one clip fair
like if you take your time and go and listen to his maps of meanings lectures, they're all free you're talking about a
thousands of dollars worth of
Tuition money that you would have to pay in order to go to the University of Toronto and listen to the man speak
but he has the good sense to allow all of that to be on YouTube and
Genuinely, his hard work is what gave him his name? Yeah, because it was him being a lecturer him going through
what it what the big five are what a
high five the big five personality
Factors, I'm my botch it. But once again, we're all here as a learning experience. I believe that it's neuroticism extraversion
openness
Conscientiousness and agreeableness, I believe those are it I made an acronym - I'm a head Mikko
remember that remember that if anybody wants the print that
We're all
Part of the same crew here. So, you know be smart out there
That's right and bring them back here so we can just keep churning them out. Yeah
but yeah, that's I learned I learned that about him it really it really opened my eyes to how one can
fractionated individual you can really understand how people's temperament genuinely drives them and as a result of that once again,
If they potentially might come to become my tag my tagline or my catchphrase in this series
But it fosters empathy it
genuinely
showcases how other people live and even if you're not like like a soft lovey-dovey kind of person who's like I don't care how other
people feel it's a very useful tactical maneuver to absolutely because empathy
Yeah, empathy is first and foremost a tactic
It is an evolutionary tactic for you to understand your enemy and understand the people around you
So then you don't get caught slipping that is what empathy is supposed to be
Sympathy is when you're supposed to
Go through with the a-lying of the person and you can put yourself in their shoes and feel with the heart feeling
Nothing wrong with that
But the thing is you can be you can be selective when it comes to choosing who to apply
Sympathy to you want to apply empathy to everybody you want to be?
everyone at the same time and understand why they feel how they feel because then potentially you can maybe learn something yourself or
learn a better way to be able to
Access them get at them and interface with them in a way that both of you can be able to come out ahead
That's the big deal, right?
It's like why would you ever want to talk to somebody if it's not for the Advancement of both people, right?
That's one of the chapters of 12 rules for life. Yes
Which I have not read but it is an amazing book. I once heard somebody say
Every Hotel that I stay at I steal the Gideon Bible in place a copy of 12 rolls
We got to figure out who's that back? Yeah
It was a guy from the mean boys podcast and I remember correctly
He was a big shout-out to them then because they sound hilarious. They are hilarious
But the title of that chapter was speak to people as if you have something to learn from them
You know talk to people in that manner as if as if everybody had something that you don't know and they do right?
That's the thing is that it's such a that's not the actual simple
Rule to follow because it is already an objective reality
The fact that you only live a one-person life at all times while everyone else is absorbing information
That is entirely alien to alien to you. It had a lot of information a lot
Yeah, and the more you're mindful and open and aware of it the more the more you're gonna glean from it
that's I guess that's just that's what you were just saying what some
specifically about being empathetic towards people so twelve rows for life and
Anything else really I'd say including that I've seen the couple I've seen the first two maps of meaning
MS know I've seen the first maps of meaning episode on on YouTube. They're all fucking super long
They're like two and a half hours apiece
No lecture yeah
But they're super worth it to sit down and and listen to and then I've seen the two the first two of his Bible lectures
Which are fascinating then and then I've read 12 rolls
I mean like you were saying the more you listen to the guy the more you start to pick up on his um his
Talking points what? You know, what's really important to him and
One of the cornerstones I think for what what he is concerned about
Much like any other philosophers is meaning and the way?
That he describes the journey
it's like he describes how you find meaning as more of a process and as more of a
Practice like a like a hobby almost like it's something that you have to do and strive for every day
It's it's taking
any kind of action in your life that
Pushes you towards
you know being a better person being a better you and
That's um, I mean that's super distilled. The guy goes into it at length and he's brilliant. It's true
I remember one thing that really sticks to my mind in terms of being more judicious with yourself is his all
Mentioning that you want to be able to speak to yourself as though you were
attempting to persuade yourself to do something as opposed to you being a dictator to yourself and
Saying you're gonna do this and you're gonna do this you talk to yourself a little more softly and wonder okay like there's problems
There's problems around us. What can we do in order to be able to fix some things around us?
Speak as though you were a Salesman to yourself and try to get to a point that you can start fixing a little bit
That's what he always mentions when he says to aim low
Yeah I hear I hear a lot of misconceptions in terms of that phrase and he cleared it up in one of the Joe Rogan
Podcasts I I don't remember quite remember which one but which are on great. They're all great exactly
That's why I'm saying I'm not even gonna bother looking it up because I'll let you guess as you listen to it
but he mentions the fact that to aim low just means to have humility and to understand that perhaps
Yeah, the other problems in your particular life. Perhaps are in jerk gigantic grandiose and horrible
but there are particular small things that may appear mundane at first in fact can allow you to create and
bulwark yourself to eventually be able to
Get closer to that bigger dragon
See, that's the that's the thing about him is that he uses a lot of figurative language because I think he learned
from being around children because he mentions his uh
since working in daycares and stuff like that all the time that
that's that's genuinely how people learn and though the most important times of life are when you're young and
that's the best way to be able to convey a message is to say like this is
You can't explain the abstract concept of adult fear to a child
but they understand what it means to be afraid of a dragon for example, so you
as an adult can then
conceptualize your problems in the sense of you are a knight trying to fight the dragon and you can't fight it without proper armor and
The armor comes from you training yourself in
life in order to be able to eventually ascend the steps to fight those bigger issues and
he never takes off the table that you might fail and that's uh
that's a very neat Jian aspect of his philosophy is the fact that there is no hiding from the fact that
everything could potentially go horribly wrong just because you're fighting a dragon doesn't mean that your destiny is written to be
Magnificent but it at least means that it was a destiny that can
Be completed that it doesn't have to you don't have to fester away
Hoping that somebody else comes around to solve your problems. That's essentially the big the digitalization of that aspect to me
They're all truisms. That's one thing
I always mentioned too and I hear mentioned all the time and he mentions them as well
everybody understands that the things that he's saying are things that are
archetypical like very much, so
Cliche on their face for sure somebody tells you and this is yeah
whenever I try to talk to somebody about 12 girls from like photographers, and I'm like, oh
you know like it's full of good advice like
Stand up straight with with your shoulders back and they kind of look at me
Like I'm stupid because as I'm saying it that sounds kind of stupid. This is something that I've heard
I don't know who specifically but I've heard a couple people say this about the guy that
He's he's a lot like a dad. He's a lot like a father figure, you know what I mean?
He like he's not demanding you of anything. But he's like this is what you should probably fucking do
you know, I've thought a lot about this and here's what I've come up with and
Right because they're suggestions that's I think that's the biggest thing ever is the fact that you are free to choose
Under the tutelage of what Jordan Peterson has to teach is that you can stop at any time and be like, okay
well, I've had enough of these truisms and I think I'm good enough now to go off and
Try to fight my own battles, and I think you're kind of like encroaching on that point too, right?
Like that's that's kind of the reason you decided not to read 12 rules
yeah after aren't very like into just because like right there essentially it's essentially just a
Condensation of his maps of meaning it's maps of meaning lecture and all of the biblical lectures, which I've read
I mean I've watched both of those things entirely
fantasia
Especially the biblical Akshay's man does yes I was thinking about because I only watched the first two episodes
which is maybe four hours of content or
Somebody's there about two hours 45 minutes of haka. Yeah
they're the it's the kind of thing that only only having my clan a job could could allow you to do and
It just melts away. Yeah. Yeah that a fuck dude
That's an easy six hours that because it didn't feel like that vlog all that and thought about it for
Days afterwards. I'm just without going into specifics like
the idea that speech is what is
What derives order out of chaos?
Like it's an essential part a hoid that the idea blows my fucking mind
I can like I still trouble to wrap my head around it
Yeah
I think to my mind what the reason why that feels so significant as well because I'm totally I'm on
board with you on that and is that it takes up an all thing and it makes it feel
Fantastical because what are we doing right now? We're speaking we're using
semiotic coherence that we've learned through our, you know kinder years to
Get here and speak now like adults. I suppose like this is what an adult sounds like and
From there. We've been able to coalesce and get each other
set up in such a way that we live in a society that we don't have to go toil and we have enough time to
Do things like this?
Take time to talk to our friends about
you know a guy such as Jordan Peterson who has the potential to if not,
It's not lead you the right way potentially, maybe glean things that you already know
That's one thing also that he mentions all the time is that half the people that go to him is like I've never heard this
Before and the other half is like yes everything you're saying
I already knew entirely but the way that you articulated it made it shine brighter
Because I think that's one thing that people don't take into
consideration is that
you can walk across a field of diamonds that are yet to be polished and not and if you don't have the right eye to
Discern what is what you'll just walk right by and not tell but yet things are still diamonds
They don't lose their luster just because you fail to grasp how important they are
And I think that's one of the things that one can
Glean off of these truisms. Is that although?
They're everywhere and literally every homeless person will tell you if you don't want to be like me you gotta you know
Keep yourself, you know keep yourself straight, you know
Don't be lying and stuff. It's like literally those are that's what the toll rules of life are. Yeah. Yeah and
But but because they're articulated in a way that allows you to be able to
See and he abstracts in very very
Amazing ways. Yeah, the simple stories that he uses are just perfect
That's all you need. It's unbelievable. How
unnecessarily
complex
Things are created when in reality, it just requires a small pair of bull or allegory to like really bring drive it home
I wanted you yeah speaking of that. I just wanted you because the last time you explained it to me
it broke my brain a little bit and it kind of melted my heart and it seems like
Broke brains and melted heart. Yes
it seems like the kind of thing that
everybody should hear but it
Jordan Peterson
One of his biggest influences is is Nietzsche and you told me this
Parable or Afro ISM or whatever you want to call it from the spoke the Sutra sour through
Zarathustra, mhm
About these this story about the diamond diamonds in the coal. Right, right
Um, if anybody's listening and wants to read it themselves, we have it pinned on the Facebook page of the leaflet introspection crew
So if you don't want me to completely botch it, we're doing everything off the cuff here, you know, everything is just organic
Yeah, and that's it
That's the 29th law table that
Zarathustra creates in order to be able to kind of bring some new order after your dad has died and
The 29th law table is not a law. It's a story
But the law comes from within the story and the story goes that
The diamond was asked by the charcoal one day. Why are you so hard on us are we not brothers?
The diamond looks over to the charcoal and says why are you so soft. Are you not my brothers?
Why would you want to be?
Why would you not want to be sharp in order for us to be able to create together?
it's like if you if you if you remain soft all the time, we won't be able to conquer and
Because of that you need to be able to strive higher as opposed to trying to bring everyone else down
It's like the law the law is be hard. That's what the law is and strive and thank you
I've done you better because we're all brothers, right? It's like if you see somebody that's a diamond
Do you don't you don't go act tell them that hey stop striving that
uh
that cuts us all at the knees because then we're all char poles forever as opposed to us being able to have
Active examples of the spectrum of things we could be
You know because there are some charcoals that shine brighter than others, you know
even within the spectrum of charcoals like everyone's working towards something and
Those although I've said it before and I still believe it. I'm not that big into abstractions
I don't I don't really like, you know
like if you can I
Think that the real that's why I find Jordan Peterson to be so so great because although he uses allegories and stuff like that
He then goes off and explains it and a slightly more analytical like cycle, you know
Like psychoanalytical waves, so you he brings it back home? It's really the thing
he doesn't allow it to stay off a drift because if somebody doesn't really understand what was like
Why are charcoals and diamonds talking to each other? It's like what that ever happened
Yeah, you know you lose people boom right away and an amazing and an amazing
Gem inside of that story is lost once again because you can't see it not because it's not there
but because you can't see it and
That's what all of us spoke. Zarathustra is is essentially like it's like a new-age Bible. Yeah to my mind
That's exactly what nietzsche was going for as I go shit. Like people don't have a God anymore. Yeah, people are crazy
So we need to find some way to like not corral them, but leave them down like a bridge
he said everyone needs to be everyone is a plank to the bridge toward the Superman his
was his denoting Factory and the Superman is essentially caught because it's you it's like
It's you in a better form
You'll never be the Superman because you're always gonna be imperfect but there's always a future version out there
That's just so much better. You know, this is doing so much better feeling so much better and that abstraction. That's
That's the God to chase. Mm-hmm
It was it became more of a feel like a more kinesthetic sort of
Sort of mysticism kind of it's like you can't just sit around and wait for like wait for Jesus to come back
You can't just wait around for your own death. It's like no it's like
It's like the if not like Jesus where he'll always come back. It's like the Superman can not come it
Can it can come to pass that the Superman will totally miss our planet and they won't it'll never come to pass that it would
Be like that here
but we have all we have a choice like we were talking with Kevin the other time in our psychedelic experience episode of which you
Should check out that's good one. Yeah, it's awesome
We were talking about the fact that determinism doesn't mean that you are led one way that's predestination. That's one
It's a word that I forgot to mention last time, but one I'm trying to rectify here
there's a difference between the termina's amande predestination and in
Determinism you get to like I said be a node in a network of choices as opposed to juice
You just being a Vande B even see if indeed etc all the way at nauseam until your death
And here although although the network always leads to death in some way or another it zigzags
It creates cool patterns. It can go in any sort of direction
you have the free ability to choose how the line looks as opposed to it always having to be straight and
That's something that Jordan Peterson really brings to mind
He always is just telling people it's like you don't have to do anything of what I'm saying. All of this is entirely a choice
But think about how cool would be you know, if you didn't suck. Yeah
Yeah, and all you have to do is what?
Try try. Try. Just try to do something. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's not even one thing really
Well, he often talks about this, um this story about one of his clients
Kid or something?
teenager I think and
He tells he tells this kid to start small. He goes, we'll just clean up your room
apparently the family didn't clean the house very much or something like that and
so the kid cleans up his room and his family gets mad at him for it because they're like
What do you think you're better than us trying to clean up your fucking room and he's just doing he's just taking a small step
To make his life better
I I remember I think I might hurt remember - yeah
You know once again he analogizes but that perfectly he says that by him Fick getting his life together
He has awoken the devil's in his home
and
You know through the pathologies of his parents
Yeah, and those Devils have lineages that go far far back, you know, you know and they're powerful, you know
And he comes from those Devils. He is part devil himself as we all are and he's trying to break out of this
negative feedback loop that's been
Continuing since you know what I learned actually and we have to actually be careful when we say these things
Okay
because a
positive feedback loop is a loop that
Continues until the point that it breaks apart because it keeps adding and adding and adding until it breaks
Okay, a negative feedback loop is one that goes until it stabilizes itself itself
So whenever you want to denote things that are negative or like that are gonna just keep going and going until they break off
It's always a positive feedback loop. Okay? Yeah, right. It's weird. Yeah, it's weird that like once again like the semiotic suppose
It's all the talk. Like you hear positive, but like no that's not what I mean. I mean a negative feedback loop. Yeah
Yeah, always learning. That's the whole point killer thoughts at all times. You never know where that knife might come from. Yes. Okay, so
positive be positive feedback loop
into it
Well what I gleaned from that and I think what the point of the story too is like you were saying to us
It's C. Well beforehand it's about it's about the journey. It's it's um, you know being happy
What does he always say being happy is not. It's not a destination. It's the journey, you know what I mean?
And that's and that's where you glean
Or that's where I'm that's his whole
Dig is its its is the journey that's where I find the meaning and you make your own meaning because he well the presupposition
Based that he bases that argument off of is that life is suffering. Correct, right?
It most happily said I think by the Dread Pirate Roberts in the Princess Bride
Life is pain and anybody that tells you different is selling something is a small child and I didn't even know how prefer
The Princess Bride is an amazing movie. You know, it's like very sharp. Mm-hmm. I bet as amicus was a fan of Nietzsche
I don't remember who fucking director that movie. I don't think it was a mecha
So I think about it
but right I mean happiness is so unbelievably transient and
I don't know about you or anybody that might be listening right now bow and I feel happy for too long
I'm feeling kind of suspicious like
Like what exactly is it that is it about the situation?
it's making me feel so happy so long because my life unfortunately and this isn't you know, once again,
I that's why I choose to never want to be the arbiter of reality. My life feels very neurotic
Sometimes although I can put off a very calm veneer. I'm always worried as to whether I'm wasting my time or not. And
It's something that has always hounded me but when I was younger
I could turn it off a little bit more because I was I looked at myself and I was like, oh I'm young
It's something it's all right
It's like all either die soon, you know
And then it won't matter or I'll have a long time left and then I'll be able to fix myself up. I
Lived that credo. Yeah all the way through my teenage years in my early 20s and unfortunately, oh
I don't feel like I'm paying the reckoning for that mentality, but I it is time to pay the piper
It's it's now the time that I had my fun when I was young and I could and I could afford it
I feel like I'm you know, I could get blackout drunk and wake up the next day and go work at Walmart
Just fine now there. I'm really glad that there is a guy like Jordan Peterson that can help me
Reestablish myself with the truisms I already knew and
Because I have a father and my father is great. I I have been I have been very fortunate to be
Be created in a reality where I happen to have a dad that hat is like five cents
it's like from the moment from Jump Street and
because of that I've never had to feel any sort of instability in terms of my masculine role models and
I've always known what it means to be a successful person. Yeah, so it's never been too hard for me. So it's
Once again why I never like to be an arbiter, you know and in reality because my reality almost feels a bit too good
Yeah, it's interesting
That's the two kind of key differences there between you and me and I think and it's funny then
That it's Jordan Peterson that still brings us both back to the same place after this
But like not that I didn't have a dad growing up, but right
My parents were divorced and so we didn't I don't know. He it's not that he wasn't around but I
Don't know. It's kind of like a second class like tie passage it like they you know
You'd see it would see him every you know month maybe and then that's harsh
You know, I well I see I didn't realize it at the time
but the other thing you said to before that about
how you
Had always been in that mindset of like
Yeah, I'm gonna have to worry about some things
I'm gonna I'm gonna have to be mindful of shit that I need to do in the future to be better. Yeah
I never thought like that. Hmm, and so I think I think that compounded with
Not really having a strong. I had some strong
male figures in my life, but I never I don't think I I don't think
yeah, that's what
Yeah right back again to the Jordan Peterson is kind of like a he's kind of like a father figure
There's a lot like you said. Yeah, my my wife laughed at me when I mentioned that to her too
She's like you already have a dad. I'm like, yeah. Yeah and my dad's great. Yeah. Yeah
It's like but he he once again can't articulate himself
The way Jordan Peterson ran that my dad can tell me the true ISM
My dad can tell me like the title the title page of a book he can't give me the chap
Yeah, yeah and and bless the man's heart. I love him to death
He is an unbelievably hard worker and I would never expect him to be able to articulate himself in that way for me. Particularly
Like he leads by example
While Jordan Peterson has because of his
Ability to help on to college and you know become an experimental and clinical psychologist all the experience
But yeah a medical psychologist. Holy shit. No matter what 20 years of talking to people that have a lot of problems. Yes
No one would want. No one goes to a psychologist when you're doing fine
Nobody's the worst of the worst
He's taking all the shit in for what 20 30 years
Just mowing it over all the fucking all the while living all the while living through the Cold War the entire time
Yes
All one thing that he says really shaped him is his continual worry about nuclear proliferation
Throughout the 80s and how everyone around him kind of look like
Weird to him because no one was worrying as much as he was like the world might end
right
Yeah, shut up Jordan that reminds me of
that's kind of interesting that that because the
preface to one of Jordan Peterson's influences funeral
Dostoevsky, oh yes crime and punishment, which I'm almost done with
Probably the saddest book I've ever read
There's there's a lot of wisdom to be gleaned from it. It's to my mind one of the funniest books I've ever read
Oh, it's a comedy to my mind. Oh, yes
And you know what we're we had already talked about wanting to do a little settlement yeah on the book itself
We should in whatever. Yeah finish it. Yeah hit up
Fuck. Oh the preface of that book is
Written by someone. I'm sorry. I don't remember who but they're talking about how
and correct me if I'm wrong because I'm only vaguely remembering this but about how when
Dostoevsky what he was a prisoner of war maybe and he was set to be executed
Right, they brought him out to be executed and within the last couple of second
Yeah men were they were off on firing squad? I think it was
Yes, they recalled the execution and he got sent to Siberia and he got sent to holy fuck dude
Okay, that is super shitty. But what they said what the
whomever wrote that preface said was that this stuck with
Him his entire life this feeling of it stuck with Dostoevsky. Yes, this this
terrible terrible
I can't even fuck unimaginable feeling of being
Tied down and having your your life be just taken from you
Just having that fear inside of you of like you're gonna die now and there's nothing you can do about it
And then just having it snapped away
I mean, I'm sure there's relief in there but can't them the amount of mental torture
Let me let me add a little bit to that because I've read the idiot, which is the following book Pat
I don't know if it's canonically the following book, but it's after crime and punishment
And it's much it's a much lighter book than for than crime and punishment was make you want to cry it does
It doesn't make you want to cry for the same reasons
It still makes you want to cry sometimes but it's a much more beautiful book to my mind
And in that book the the Prince Prince, Myshkin
with the
The idiot of the story he tells a story of how he in. It's a pretty much an autobiographical reclaim out retelling of
Dostoyevsky's life where what? He really what does the rescue genuinely felt afterwards, you know
Not once you actually was able to think about the situation was unbelievable relief and and relief and such
simple simple love for reality to the point that everything seemed precious to him now there because it
Is literally like he was living on borrowed time
it's like that feeling of like that people say when they've had like and a
New death experience that now it's like I'm playing with the house
you know house money like Kevin Smith said in the Joe Rogan podcast after his
Unfortunate heart attack. He said that he felt that he he's not lit
He's not playing with the house money because he should be dead
He should have been dead on that gurney, you know
you know cremated and gone away or whatever Kevin Smith wants to do with his body, but
But the the sad reality is that we're always playing with house money. There is no time like oh now time is like free
It's like times always been times always been just a commodity
it's going going away and going away and we
Need to just be awoke
Awoken to the fact that that is what is genuinely happening. It isn't that today is worthless because it isn't just worthless
it is a day that is happening to a whole ton of people all over the place and in the same way that we're actually
bothering to take a couple minutes of our time to speak to people about things that we genuinely love and could potentially reach them to
everybody has that opportunity as well now and I
Sometimes do feel like the prints like in as an idiot. Just how how unbelievably grateful
I feel just toward reality and just walking around and being like man like
every moment is
Just as as precious as the next because I could have been killed in a car accident
That could have been everybody
You know if you close your eyes right now
you can picture at least one moment where your life was in mortal danger and you are still here for some reason and
Consider that the moment when you started playing with house money
Why not right it's like why why get to the point that you have to be laying on a gurney for then for?
You then to be able to really begin to appreciate?
It's a much better place to start
I
I dig that over the gurney for sure, right ya know. Yeah, I can I can remember a time like that, but this is
Yeah, it's really all about
This is something that's brand new to me like that this is this is an idea. I think what we're talking about
Trying to try to be
Trying to be a better person
Than you were yesterday trying to make each day
something because it has the potential for
Something in it and it compounds the klingons very quickly
And that's another thing we were talking about the other day where you just started going to the gym
What was it three years ago? Yeah, and you put on
40 pounds of muscle out. Yeah, that's the way walking forty-eight same dude. That is so cool
And it just it just goes to show you you just take a little bit every day
Yeah, because I'm not doing anything extreme whatsoever. It's
Literally just consistency consistency has been to me the key ingredient to all of the successes of all of my life
going to college
Going to the gym having a job
It's just understanding that there isn't the tomorrow that you can put things off to because you're already living tomorrow, you know
There's already a you yesterday that thought I'm gonna put this awful tomorrow and you're living that tomorrow already
You're always carrying the burdens of your lazy yourself. So imagine have you none of you are lazy
like this really drives that this drives that the central theme of Jordan Peterson right to do this is is my
favorite chapter in twelve roles is to
Pursue what is meaningful not what is expedient? Whoo. That's a good title name. It is the most profound
And obvious truism that
exists like in the background of
Everyday life that it took a book to point it out to me to like really break down and he does so amazingly
You know it this it it's almost like the most obvious thing in the world
Break it down for me. What? What is it? What does that mean?
oh, you know well for me, it means kind of like you are saying it's the
incremental
Improvement
that comes with
being consistent in
having
Discipline and just doing things
That you know that you should do right like it as silly as it sounds recently
Every day when I come home from work, I do the dishes. I'm like I got to do that
My hero, man
And it's it's weird that it like, okay
Well, that was just one little thing and sure it's nice like having a clean kitchen as yes, right
But then you know and then we started we started dieting and for the first time in my life
I've actually stuck to a diet and I've seen some, you know some minimal improvements
But it's enough that it makes me feel good right when they're consistent isn't right in its everyday. That's right
I'm a month in and then I I
Just recently
Got my stationary bike back from where I used to live
okay, because I was like
You know what?
I might as well add in a little bit and it's like we're watching YouTube videos all the time right at break
Why not just not just fucking bread. So get some cardio in right? You know when I dropped, um, yeah a couple years ago
I dropped
20 or 30 pounds in this that's what all I did as I woke up every morning then I jumped on the bike and I
Started thinking why am I not doing that? It's it'll take 20-30 minutes of my day and
It's kind of fucking compound. It's gonna you know in I'm not even really that concerned with it
Just because in the moment it seems like that's what it's a good sacrifice to make right, you know what I mean?
It's sacrificing a little bit for in the future. I can have 30 more pounds of muscle on me. You know what I mean?
I can I'll be way more
Better I'll be way better off. Yeah way more better way more better off than I was before
I'm just getting on the bike
You know a couple days a week or going on the gym or lifting some weights or reading a book. Yeah, man, or
Watching a couple lectures
It's serious you seems like it's like a law of nature that you can't help but get better at things you consistently do it
Alright. Yeah you because you kind of fall into
The rhythm of success like as if
Success was a dance. That would be that would be the way to dance it would be to do it all of the time. Ah
to be to begin
Breaking life down into those genuine segments that they are. That's one thing that I've really been doing for myself is
No longer thinking about time in any in any other
spectrum other than today
What exactly is it about if what is it about today? That can launch things for the future that can I can then catch?
Some other time because that's what we're doing right now
We literally threw a ball to ourselves last weekend when we did our last episode over - right here
Hoping that in the future we will catch it and be consistent and continue putting output and continuously getting better between ourselves
Getting more comfortable speaking to the hypothetical thousands and millions of people. I'm sure that are out there
So just you just you are you are yeah. Yeah. Thanks for listening. Yeah
One day baby, yeah, but either way either way it doesn't even really matter
even if no
Even if we're speaking
To the vacuum of space the vacuum of space will still accept our voices and that is good enough for me because it for you
otherwise, otherwise, I would just be
Playing video games right now, you know and it would be great for myself. I would be having great fun
I might be playing it with you
But I don't think I wouldn't be able to then say that my life was of any worth
And I don't mean that in any objective sense trying to put any sort of
denigration toward video games because if you check out our video game
Discussion which you should check out you can obviously see that I am a true-blue lover
Genuine lover and passionate one of video games in it
But it's because of that that I want to be careful in terms of that love because it can so easily sink you
so quickly and that can happen with anything so
It's weird that you can see
I'm not trying to speak outside or trying to talk down to anybody, but you can see
once you start to pay attention, you can see these patterns of behavior that people have that lead them to just be
very unhealthy of whether it's
Whether it's in their minds
And in it, that's where it usually starts and then you start to see it on the outside and I know this
Pathology's, yeah strange, right like it's a it's a bad positive feedback loop of of
I don't know
depression into
Unhealthy eating into obesity into more depression and anxiety and isolation and to you know, it's just this
cataclysmic thing that if you don't if you constantly pursue
Expedient
instant gratification
Type of things your your life is gonna turn into a shit show, right? That's why Dante
manifested in hell in steps
Mm-hmm, because you never get there on one tut and you know in in one go you never do you don't have to follow his
In his specific designation in the poem in any sort of way to be able to begin creating your own personal
classifications of the steps toward hell and the colder and colder plate colder and cold you only have lonelier places deeper into the circles and
Every single person has the capacity to create that hell, and it's you know
and the world in the world gives you plenty of the the world is a beautiful toolkit for creating very very abstract and diverse hell's
There's plenty of them
Yeah, yeah, I was just reading this in that chapter that I was referencing
pursue what it's meaningful that I
Forget where it started its it started in the Garden of Eden of Eden
It started in Genesis and and Adam and Eve, but it was about once they ate
the fruit
from the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Part of
this is what he was saying what he was saying was part of consciousness is
a and part of being self-aware is
understanding that everybody has the capacity because we because we know
In our own
selves what is
Most of us know what is good and bad
You know, what what makes people feel good or what makes people feel bad
We all have that ability to create health because we because we can do it to each other because we understand this person
I can put this person in hell by torturing them
I don't I mean we all have that capacity to do that where we all the competitors they say to be a Nazi Gardens
Yes, that is and that is an exercise in empathy
That's you being able to put yourself in another person's situation but in a tactical sense of man, like alright, well
How can I just mess up their life horribly?
What what would hurt me in order for me to and then I will use that on other people to to steal Jordan Peterson's words
It's it's what he called demonically possessed
aesthetics
Where it's like it's like a beautiful piece of evil. Were you just genuine? Well, you really have to think about it, right?
It's like because there's one there's one thing to be reactionary evil
You're like man, you know screw that guy and then like do something bad
but then like but then to be the kind of person to stop and really think about it take out a notebook and like
Like make a diagram and like all the points. Yeah
No, that's demonically possessed aesthetic because you want to then make it beautiful
Oh you want that pain to sear generations, maybe if it can write
That and that's one of the things that he mentions as you said that everybody has that inside of them
Everybody has the potential to tap into that and the best thing we can do is to be aware of it
Take the monster out of its cage look at it and be like, okay, we are one right. It's the Union integration of the shadow
You're never supposed to reject the shadow. You're supposed to integrate it into yourself
So then you can be a whole being because what kind of being are you a lot of shadow, right?
Yeah a shadow of a being yeah
Oh
Right, but and because of that you cannot reject your more negative aspects, but you can begin to
cultivate them in a way
begins to yield fair harvest to you
Every single because I can imagine that and although I know that it's out of vogue
But I like the concept of the in that there are there's just an aspect of yourself
It's just like a like a mule. Just just wanting to go forward all the time. Just
gratification gratification and
A mule is a very useful tool if you know if you have a if you have a field that you know
That can be plowed
If you use the it properly it can run us through very easily in order for us to being able to set down our seed
So I think that that is what it means to be able to integrate every part of yourself
Because to think that there is an aspect of yourself
That is so horrible is to demonize your own self
and when you demonize yourself you put yourself in the same shoes that a potential serial killer does because
majority of the time that's what happens is that they
they take their pathologies to such an a repressed extreme that
Like every like I mean almost every law in the universe, they don't get destroyed
They just get manifested in a different way. You never get to destroy the negative feelings
they will just out let themselves in a way that you will turn off and
Though in the negative feelings will take over
And that's what you want to avoid
you want to always be at you always want to be the guy doing the out letting of the steam of
Yourself all of the time don't don't delude yourself into thinking you don't have any steam inside you
Because you do you're an angry angry half insane chimp
You really really are and once you give yourself that little bit of credit that little bit of do
You know and a little bit of forgiveness in the sense of what you are
I'm honest right exactly now now you can be your own handler, you know
You can drive the little chimp forward and be like look at what he can do. It's it's gonna be great, right and
That's what Jordan Peterson at least to my mind has really
Leaned on very well, you know, and I can only imagine the amount of decades of
Thinking and having to speak to people speaking to his postgraduate speaking speaking to his undergrad
And like it's the continuous sharpening of the knife. That really is what it's just a sharpening of the knife
But and he's always mentioning that people tell him that you know what he says things like he could have done them better
But what he likes to joke is that that doesn't mean that they'll do it, right?
You have to a lot you have to allow yourself the humility to sound like an idiot
You know first before anybody can ever consider you wise later. I
Think that's a big deal. Yeah. There's a super big deal
and it takes a lot of
Takes a lot of humility to get to that point - Mm-hmm, right? That's something that
I've noticed particularly
When you go back and watch Jordan
his older lectures and Jim he
He's just so much more confident now
Yeah, the way that he speaks and how he holds himself right like you he's not as fidgety
He's not and he can mean he can maintain and articulate the sentences
Because he set them before, you know, he's been doing it for years, right exactly
That's one thing that I've come to notice about myself. Is that the more I speak and the more I
especially now doing these podcasts being able to play back my words and
Really be able to catch the intonation of myself
It allows me to refine my persona again not rejecting my persona
but trying to refined in a way that could potentially be useful to the whole proof everybody that's listening right now and
Anywhere at any given time that's the whole idea. Right exactly because we're talking into a digital machine that could potentially
Exist for thousands of years. We don't know the longevity of YouTube or any other one of the
Mechanisms that we're using to put these words out into the ether
We could be speaking much like Nietzsche does to me when I open the Zarathustra from 100 150 years ago
Right long dead. I'm dust but here I am right and
it
because we get to live in the first world we get to experience what will be the problems of everyone I think is one of
the biggest things because if we're optimistic as I sometimes vary very lightly like to give myself the ability to be
Everyone will live in a first world modicum at some point or another or very close to at least a second world
We're striving toward that every single day in some way, you know just by not being dicks. We're already we're striving for that and
Because of that people will have to be able
Depressions and apathy is and the concepts of all man like I love video games
But what else am I gonna do with my time? How do I how can I
reframe this odd love in a means that actually man is to be able to
Give give me an it. That will show my harvest right?
How can I how can I reframe myself? That's one thing that i'm always are
Battling with all the time thinking about how I can
restructure my inner self because every day is a struggle for me to you know, I woke up today and I was thinking of
the things that I had to do and the myriad of ways that I could totally skip the gym I was like
You know, like I have so many things to do so many ways to be productive today
I'm sure that I even if I even if I didn't go to the gym today
I would still feel great at the end of the day because of the things were about to get done
But I did not allow myself. That was oh such a poor for I should have known better
I should have had a better excuse
I think I should have tried a little harder in my excuses and maybe tomorrow I'll beat myself but
Today I couldn't I was like no like you still have time. You know it I know it, you know
That's one thing I told Kevin one time before
When we were talking about psychedelics is that I have this weird
Conceptualization of the judge when I do psychedelics that I always on a day that I might do that kind of thing
I tried to get a lot done that day
I tried to be as hyper productive as I possibly can because I do not want the judge to appear inside of my head
There's some good advice because I'm putting on tripping next week
I think so. You know it
Because although the judge might come out he might rule in your favor, right?
And that's the thing is that it's not that the judge won't come out
It's that if you just want to be able to lean the evidence toward your face the chances right exactly. It's like
Yeah, okay. Okay. I see. Yeah, we've reviewed the evidence and it seems like today is a good day for it, right? Yeah, right
Yeah, you don't
Once again, let's Jordan Peters and says you don't want to make every aspect of yourself a dictator that's leading the march goose-stepping
You know toward whatever odd
Abstraction of a future that you're trying to make your you know, just go clean
You're just patting yourself on the back a little bit. Wondering, you know, is that hey, we did great yesterday
You know that feeling you gotta make deals with yourself, right?
Like you gotta be you literally have to deal with the devil because you said well, we're all happy. Yes. We'll have Christ. Yeah
Yeah, half Kane half Abel. Mm-hmm. Yeah, we
Man that's so
That's so important. That's really what we're getting at too is trying to find a balance right trying to trying to be like, okay
I can play some video games
But before I play video games, I'm gonna go to the gym and then after I get home from the gym
I should probably read a little bit. Yeah, you know what? I mean? Like, yeah, that's yeah
Just trying to find a balance maintaining maintaining one foot in chaos in one foot in order. Correct, right?
You don't want you don't want to
Make yourself only be one thing
because
One because one will lead to obsession and then the other one will lead you to apathy
Right you wanna if I if I became overtly like orderly and be like after gym everything would they I have to you know
like do this
Because I have to yeah
It are it becomes a compulsion as opposed to a means for me to be able to as I said before
Earlier bulwark myself for potential chaos later. I'm just I'm putting on horse visors and hoping that
Just by not paying attention to anything else except going to the gym or working up, you know
or or reading or you know doing whatever that
I can
Dampen reality I suppose not
That's never the thing. I want to do with the things that I am active they doing when I'm at the gym
I'm doing it because I know that it hurts and I'm there and I'm present when I'm doing this podcast
I am actively I'm actively listening and I'm actively speaking and I'm here. I am genuine here at this very moment and
In this space time this little capsule of space time. That is caste I am
Seriously here
You know for both you as my friend and the listener as my proto friend
Because anybody that's willing to listen this long me. It means that we're touching upon something that
Speaks to them too. It's been you know washing about their mind as well as their babe. They've also been playing Monster Hunter
They've also been playing
we've also been playing any sort of any sort of game for a very long time that
it really
Gives them the satisfaction that they want at the moment, but it always leaves a hole at the end, unfortunately
Not the generalize because there are people that can do it
But I'm unfortunately not that kind of person. I need to diversify my portfolio in terms of the means that I
Choose to spend my time and I even do that with what what?
people were considered to be productive aspects like reading like I can read for a really long time and then eventually I get bored of
Reading I'm like I've been reading for a long time
you know, I was like
let me let me read let me do something else with that little aspect of time that I'm doing and eventually
you know it like the Dennis system you
You compute you completely you remove yourself emotionally entirely because then eventually you just want to come back
And that's the six six. That's the six sick relationship you can have with the success
That all in together
Hey, I mean unfortunately although he see but that's the thing Dennis in that situation if Jordan Peterson want to talk Dennis he would be
Able to see the fact that Dennis has a lot of promise, you know, he's a man
That's very very smart
and that's why I feel that he's
such a
Vista fan favorite in terms of like it's always sunny and things like that because everybody can kind of see themselves in Dennis a little
Bit it's interesting. They should say that we I think what
Rob me not Rob McNichol
Honey oh, no. No, that's Mack Glenn Howard Glenn, Howerton
Yes, I think what he said specifically about Dennis but more generally about It's Always Sunny was its what?
Look, it's what it would look like when people that have shot for the American Dream and failed
That's what that's what their characters are supposed to represent
right
Which fits right into what you and they're in I am I'm a gigantic fan of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
Because it is like the most beautiful and crystalline representation of the devolution toward hell
That is because they're normal guys season one. They're entirely normal people and then slowly but surely through their pathologies
they descend into their own person of hell that
literally, no one can touch them without being just screwed over you can't walk into Paddy's Pub without you know being
Reckoned forever right and that's and Edward and as we always mention as knows in the network
That's that runs perfectly in line with it. Every single. One of them is just
Adding more adding more visceral and negativity toward the network. And because they're all the gang is always together
What else can they do book palpitate that across Philadelphia?
I mean I
Allow is felt it but you just articulated right that episode when they go get analyzed
The gang goes goes and gets analyzed that imagine of jordan peterson was the one analyzing them, you know
Exact same way I think I would end the exact same way with d just breaking it was like you pitched. Oh
My god, right but it just goes to show how unbelievably universal this feeling
Is that even in any piece of media?
Even the most vile istic to the common observer can touch upon at the ills of the zeitgeist
almost that everybody is feeling the fact that we kind of don't know what to do with ourselves anymore because
When it comes to eating. Oh man, we got the game lockdown. We can't go hungry anymore
We is vick ll not to speak for every human but for us right here, it's impossible for us to go hungry
Very apparently. Yeah, look outside walk around a wall murder. It's very very hard to go hungry and
because of that that automatic that that necessity gone
Wow, where to live that's a bit more anxiety writing, you know because we have to go to work
We have to maintain the job to maintain the mortgage to maintain ourselves and that you know
That's that's a strong consistent anxiety
That isn't that hasn't been as welched in our society as food has right?
But still very much
improved
Much much. So right exactly is like it takes 90 days for the sheriff
I mean like it takes what six months for this almost almost for the sheriff. Do you pick you out exactly?
It's like you get your affairs in order, you know
I was like it isn't like from one day to the next they're gonna just kick you out
It's like it's a long process to do so
And in six months, you know
Imagine you're doing horribly and I can only imagine potentially somebody out
there might be right now doing horribly to the point that you just got evicted, right or
Just got the notice of eviction. You got 90 days 90 days man, 90 days is
three months and that is a very very long time if if the time is properly used right in that time you can
Easily get yourself clean of marijuana to get yourself a job at that in that amount of time
You can easily begin to save money from not spending money on drugs
To eventually come to a point that even if you get evicted from this one place that you're at right now
you'll have enough money to
Pay for a down payment on the next place that you're at there are still so many avenues of opportunity
Even at the at what could be considered in our society the lowest point right? Because you know getting evicted
Yeah, getting evicted is like, you know, like it's still stigmatizing thing. Like nobody wants to have that kind of, you know homeless
yeah, but you're saying that it's um, we just we
Not everybody but we have a much bigger amount of opportunity. Correct? Yes
And I know this is a this is a buzzword that people like to misuse but the social safety net
Set up for us is very very apt
to handle if you wanna if you are able to put in a little work alongside it and
Thank goodness, right? That's what that's what something that Jordan Peterson is always mentioning. That although we we should criticize the
Criticize the patriarchy we also have to give it a do in the sense that it's both things
It's the tyrannical king, but it's also the loving father, you know at the same time
No, no father worth assault is all love to their children there. They're hard at the same time
They're hard. You have to discipline because our also just makes soft
You just mix off these all over the place, then they're useful to no one right because the world is hard. Yeah
Yeah, you need why - do you mean I'm is yeah this yeah, then I feel like that story just perfectly kind of encapsulates
Mmm-hmm, you know Jordan Peterson's philosophy, right? Then I'm amazed that he hasn't brought it up more. Yeah. I've never heard of mention it
Yeah, I mean, he must've means actually Jordan
Gotcha. Thanks. Listen. Yeah
Yeah, thank you, please come on one day yeah one day come yeah, that would be great
Wouldn't that be something but that's the thing is that it's the striving, right?
It's like we can we were speaking to air right now
but who knows what these kind of situations just the desire to want to be able to
Put our better foot forward can lead right and that's all it takes. Yes, that's example that he did right?
It's like I'm willing to lose my job
You know, like I'm willing to completely
Go against. Okay office. He's a liberal. He he very very actively says that he is
Uh, he's uh, he's a left-leaning guy, but he's just not a radical, you know, like he he wants Reformation. He doesn't want destruction
Yeah, and I oh I feel that entirely because as I said, I love this country I come from Honduras
which is a very dysfunctional place that
unfortunately
For one reason or another both historical and contemporary and present. There's just a lot of mixing that
this allows us to be as organized as we possibly can and
But here there's a paradigm that will a little closer to what what it should be, right
even with all our ills
that
It's worth preserving and at the same time worth refining. I think that's the that's the key word for myself
I want to refine the
society that I live in not
Not chuck it aside
Right because it's a diamond it really is it if there might be some cracks here and there there might be a there there might
Be some fogging coming up on one end, but you don't throw away a beautiful diamond just because there's work to be done
You know that the hours put into a diamond are also the thing that make the diamond beautiful, right?
because as we said the one on the ground is just like if we pick up a whole new paradigm of societal system we'd have
to pick it up off the ground and that diamonds gonna be away cloudier and way shittier than the one we just
stopped working with we're gonna have to go back and
Restructure and we do things that were already handled a couple hundred years ago, right? There's plenty of examples of this right history - mm-hm
There's this like it seems to be a very unnecessary and reactionary
Response to a system that does have legitimate
Issues that should be addressed so you know what? I think George Peterson does references very often
Maybe not specifically but what we're talking about, but he uses the term
We don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I
Fucking directly and that it's it. That is mostly what he's talking about. When money says that -
But yeah
Well, that's probably a good place to
Wrap it up. Do you think so my brains just tired? That's
It's understandable if there's just so much to be said in
the library of things
and
topics that that man has touched is
Robust and we could literally be here six hours and maybe touch on
10% - yeah, just a little bit of that. It's that right. So yeah everybody
12 rules for life
Maps maps of meaning I haven't read the book
The YouTube lectures are apparently pretty good. Oh the actual maps of meaning. Whoa. No I haven't read to either I watch the lectures
yeah, I mean there's I think there's about
25 of them and each one of them is between two hours and an hour long
So that's like a whole book anyways, right there looks like 600 pages. So Wow. Yeah, it's long, but
Ya know I think so. I think that anybody who was who bothered to
Click on this. I hope that it was satisfactory. I hope that we were able to showcase the reasons why
we sing the praises that we do for German Peterson and
to also be able to showcase a bit more of a spectrum in terms of the
people that he attracts right because the Euro person born where you were born in California you were born in
Minnesota ya know Minnesota, right? You were born in Minnesota. Sorry. Yeah
Midwest Midwest, right
Yeah
and I was born in Honduras right to to humans that were born in separate parts of the reality of
Reality, and we came to each other and here we are now
brought together by the
Fostering of ethics that this guy is trying to teach it it really showcases that it's a human effort
Yeah, it can it can touch a lot of people and it can because all it's asking you is to talk to yourself
You know, you know you don't have to be like Jordan Peterson
you don't have to be like me and you don't have to be like you there is you can only be your best self and
I think that
It's something that everybody needs to keep in mind as they move along life to
cut themselves a little slack, but at the same time understand that your charcoals with diamonds inside of them waiting to be
extracted
Yeah, check out the spoke zarathustra if you can at the dense book what man oh man yeah crime and punishment
The idiot, yeah, I haven't read it yet but the brothers
Can't commit Karam at South care Matt's off. Yeah, here's another really good one. I'm about to start reading notes from underground
I hear that's a very dark one that was before crime and punishment. So that's when he was still dark God. Yeah
oh and
the Gulag Archipelago
Ever I get to that books. Yeah that I mean, it seems like one that you should read but you don't wanna I
Like look at it. I'm like, oh
that's like
What was the dude Frankl man's search for meaning?
wonderful book
We didn't we didn't touch on it at all
But it kind of falls in the vein of what this talk was about but check that out
Check out Jordan. Jordan Peterson's lectures on YouTube all of them. Probably they're great. All right. Hey, and if you find any points of contention
Take that as an excuse to then take out your phone and begin your own podcasts and responses to it
Right because every single instance is a good moment for proactivity
Nothing can stop you except yourself
That's I think that's the big of lesson and that's the killer thought that we're going to be leaving you with tonight
So have a nice day and keep being diamonds
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