>>THERE WAS A FATHER/DAUGHTER DANCE PLANNED AT ONE SCHOOL IN
STATEN ISLAND, NEW YORK, BUT IT HAS BEEN POSTPONED FOLLOWING A
NEW LAW REGARDING GENDER AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
THESE
GENDER-BASED POLICIES ESSENTIALLY HAVE THE SCHOOLS
FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT ARE THROWN
TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE IS SOME POPULATION OF STUDENTS THAT
DO NOT IDENTIFY WITH EITHER GENDER, OR MIGHT NOT IDENTIFY
WITH THE GENDER THEY WERE BORN WITH.
STATE LAWMAKERS ARE
ESSENTIALLY TELLING SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS, TRY NOT TO HAVE
GENDER-BASED EVENTS.
SO AS A RESULT THIS PREDICTORS SCHOOL,
PS 65, DECIDED TO POSTPONE THE DANCE UNTIL THEY CAN FIND A WAY
TO MAKE IT MORE INCLUSIVE OF EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT
GENDER THEY IDENTIFY WITH.
IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS
AND KIND OF SEE WHAT PORTION OF STUDENTS ARE NOT GENDER
NORMATIVE --
>>I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT TRANSGENDER IS DIFFERENT FROM
GENDER NONCONFORMING.
TRANSGENDER MEANS YOU WERE BORN
WITH ONE WITH A CERTAIN SEX BUT YOU DON'T IDENTIFY WITH THAT
SEX, YOU HAVE A GENDER THAT DOESN'T COINCIDE WITH IT.
WITH
NONCONFORMING IT MEANS YOU DON'T IDENTIFY AS MALE OR FEMALE.
SO
THIS STORY IS INTERESTING.
>>LET ME START THE CONTROVERSY.
ONE FATHER SAID IT'S ALL MOST AS
IF THEY ARE TAKING IT AWAY.
WELL, FOR THE MOMENT BEING, THEY
ARE TAKING IT AWAY.
LET'S SEE.
IF THEY BRING IT BACK AND THEY
HAVE NEW RULES THAT SAY IF SOMEONE IS GENDER NONCONFORMING
OR THEY ARE TRANSGENDER THEY CAN COME TO THE DANCE, WONDERFUL,
THAT'S THE RESULT WE WANT, WE WANT INCLUSIVE AND EVERYONE
INVOLVED.
IF THEY END THE DANCE ENTIRELY THEN I TOTALLY
DISAGREE.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE DANCE THAT EXCLUDES PEOPLE AND I
WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT 97% OF PEOPLE ARE, WHATEVER,
CISGENDER, WHATEVER THAT TERM IS, AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A
FATHER DAUGHTER DANCE?
I DON'T SEE THE ISSUE, LET THEM HAVE A
FATHER DAUGHTER DANCE.
>>I 100% AGREE WITH YOU AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE THAT
CONTROVERSIAL.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, AT LEAST 97% OF
THE STUDENTS WHO DON'T IDENTIFY AS TRANSGENDER OR GENDER
NONCONFORMING, THEY ARE HAVING AN INNOCENT EVENT, IT'S NOT LIKE
THEY ARE PURPOSELY DOING THIS EVENT TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE OR BE
CRUEL, IT'S A SWEET LITTLE EVENT THEY WANT TO HAVE, THEY WANT TO
HAVE ACUTE DANCE WITH THEIR FATHERS, AND WHY DOES EVERYONE
GET PUNISHED FOR THIS?
THAT'S WHAT I DON'T GET.
LOOK, THERE'S
ANOTHER SIDE OF IT THAT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE CONSIDER.
WHEN YOU
START DOING STUFF LIKE THIS, YOU TURN GOOD PEOPLE WITH GOOD
INTENTIONS AGAINST AN IMPORTANT MOVEMENT, THAT'S WHAT I WORRY
ABOUT.
ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU START LOSING PEOPLE.
AND RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO START LOSING PEOPLE.
>>I HAD THE SAME THOUGHT, YOU LITERALLY MADE THE POINT I WAS
ABOUT TO MAKE, WHICH IS I THINK YOU HURT YOURSELF ULTIMATELY
WITH THIS SORT OF THING MORE THAN YOU HELP, WHEN YOU HOLD UP
FOR SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE.
AS CENK SAYS YOU SHOULD
INCLUDE THOSE PEOPLE IN WHATEVER WAY POSSIBLE, THAT WOULD BE TIME
BETTER SPENT, FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS AN INCLUSIVE EVENT
SO NO ONE FEELS LEFT OUT.
BUT FOR SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE,
IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THEY ARE SAYING LET'S GO BEAT UP THE
TRANSGENDERS, IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF RALLY -- THIS IS REALLY A
QUAINT TRADITION THAT SHOULD BE PERHAPS BUILT OUT A LITTLE BIT
TO INCLUDE THESE OTHER PEOPLE, WHO SOCIETY IS NOW BECOME MORE
AWARE OF.
BUT THE IDEA THAT YOU CANCEL THE EVENT COMPLETELY, IT
CREATES TOO MUCH BAD BLOOD, IT'S A BAD IDEA.
>>LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE OTHER THING, THIS WASN'T A STORY
WHERE THERE WERE TRANSGENDER STUDENTS WHO IDENTIFY AS FEMALE
GETTING EXCLUDED, NO ONE WAS TOLD YOU AREN'T ALLOWED TO COME
TO THIS FATHER DAUGHTER DANCE, IF SOMEONE IDENTIFIED AS A
FEMALE AND WANTED TO GO TO THE DANCE I HAVE NO REASON TO
BELIEVE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD NO, YOU ARE EXCLUDED.
THIS
WAS JUST THIS CRAZY, PREEMPTIVE STRIKE AGAINST THE FATHER
DAUGHTER DANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE SO WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THESE
GENDER-BASED POLICIES ENTAIL.
>>LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT TWO OTHER THINGS.
TO BUILD ON WHAT
ANA SAID, IF THE FACT PATTERN WAS WE AREN'T LETTING
TRANSGENDER PEOPLE IN, THEN I SAY THEN YOU RUINED IT, OKAY WE
HAVE TO SHUT THE DANCE DOWN BECAUSE YOU ARE NEEDLESSLY
DISCRIMINATING AND IN AMERICA WE DON'T DO THAT.
IF YOU SAID ONLY
3% OF THE POPULATION AT THE SCHOOL IS BLACK SO WE AREN'T
GOING TO LET THE BLACKS IN, NO, SHUT IT DOWN.
BUT NO ONE IS
DOING THAT.
THEY ARE SHUTTING IT DOWN PREEMPTIVELY.
IT'S POSSIBLE
THAT THEY ARE SAYING WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE
GUIDELINES ARE, AND ONCE WE FIGURE IT OUT WE WILL RESTART
THE DANCE -- LET'S HOPE THAT'S THE RESULT HERE, AND I GUESS
GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE TO GET THERE AND MAKE THAT RIGHT
DECISION.
BUT IF AT THE END OF THE DAY THE CONCLUSION IS
BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THE GENDER
NONCONFORMING FOLKS, ETC., WE ARE SHUTTING IT DOWN FOR
EVERYBODY, THEN WE THINK THAT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA, YOU'RE TURNING
PEOPLE OFF FOR NO REASON THAT COULD BE YOUR ALLIES, AND IT'S
JUST NOT RIGHT.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS IS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IN
STATEN ISLAND.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE CAN'T BE TRANSGENDER KIDS
OR GENDER NONCONFORMING, ETC., BUT I THINK IT'S OKAY IF
AMERICANS GO TO FATHER DAUGHTER DANCES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME
INSISTING THAT WE INCLUDE ANYBODY.
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