So we're here with Jackson Washburn, the most controversial man to ever exist in
the western part of the United States. Before Johnny Appleseed. After,
sorry after. He was in the West? Wasn't he in the east?
Didn't he travel? He traveled. Did he make it this far? Very controversial. See? Look
out controversial. Was he real? I don't even. Are we gonna talk about Paul Bunion and his --
Paul Bunion was real. No. You know what is real? Israel.
So today we're
gonna talk about... well I guess we only have one true millennial here.
I'm the only true Millennial since I was born in 95 but- Gen X! We have
like an interesting thing because this show is hosted by young people. Yes. We're young
people, we we love the gospel of Jesus Christ, we want everyone basically like
everyone to join, right? But then we also, most I would say, most of my friends
are not religious, right, or they might believe in God or they're just
spiritual. Yeah. But they're not actively-- certainly not an Orthodox
religion like mine. Well, very much like, I know growing a lot of my friends
recognize the existence of a greater power, you know, but none of them
would say that they belong to a religion, right? Or at least like an organized
religion or something. And so we are kind of at an interesting
crossroad because-- we're very, it's very old school. Yeah.
Because there's a lot of spiritualism going on right now, yeah, people are like,
"I just believe in the idea of spiritualism," I don't know. Yeah.
No, no, it's very like, it's in vote to say "I'm spiritual but not religious," right?
And then create like a dichotomy between the two. Yeah, I think that's
also "spiritual but not religious" is it's so funny because I feel like
it works with young people so well, it's like you got your thing but it just
works so perfectly for you when you don't have to change yourself a whole lot. Because we
love that, we love being special, we love being us, you know? Like I am me. Everyone
loves it, you know, like I mean like just look at all the
Disney movies coming out, you know, like just let it go and just be yourself and-- well just
basically I like the good feelings of religion just I don't like the
commitment as much. Oh yeah, oh that's true people love like feelings the Holy
Spirit but then they're like you mean I can't have sex Avenue Avenue with taking
smokes weed in the park with the kids over there yeah that's right how dare
you tell me how to live my life which is interesting because if there is a god if
there's a god the only reason to worship Him right
would be if he has a vested interest in the world if he's a hands off God who
doesn't command anything doesn't have any rules then why are you worshiping
him he just created it is you know Geoffrey Holland has said that a God
that doesn't give Commandments is the functional equivalent of a god that
doesn't exist yes yeah Nitz 103 oh truth and so we're trying to say is yeah yeah
like there's this weird thing going on in our generation where if we don't
wanna be committed we don't want to take directions from anybody but if you do
follow Commandments and you do follow a structure and you're faithful to them
like yours you can still you're still a good millennial you know you're still
true yourself yeah you know just because you're following that doesn't mean that
you've lost yourself and you know no I think I say I personally becoming LDS
has made me so much better I know saying like oh it's terrible
before I'm not saying yeah I was like myself before but you didn't know quaky
before you knew like you Oh tiny anyone from high school but I think I think
becoming LDS has made me aware of like of empathy within myself more becoming
more christ-like and following crisis help me understand human beings better
and have a love for them better but also help me understand what it really means
to exist because of you if you're if your life is just to eat sleep drink
party go to school and have like some human relationships that's actually just
not enough you need to you need to have a purpose you have a purpose perfect
like a purpose purpose why are you here what are you doing
yeah like the classic plan of salvation no what are you doing and if there is a
god if there is a god that is the most important thing in life really think
about that so a few years ago President Nelson before his president the church
or just present the quorum of the twelve he had this amazing
WAIS a devotional called becoming true Millennials and he said this a true
millennial is a man or woman whom God trusted enough to send to earth during
the most compelling dispensation in the history of this world a true millennial
is a man or woman who lives now to help prepare the people of this world for the
second coming of Jesus Christ and his millennial reign make no mistake about
it you were born to be a true millennial so
the world is often like you know Millennials back in my day we used to
hold the door open for ladies but to me you're always on your phones you're
always on your apps you'd okay if people come up with all these ridiculous
reasons oh you hate Tide Pods you know they're good car everyone knows you use
lemon juice but like people are always just bashing on us saying like yeah you
know Millennials are done and then it also makes Millennials feel kind of
helped us because we are all wrapped in student debt and there's so much stress
and my friends are like in war and oppression and the way we were raised
but it's just like we have so much on our plate on our plate on and we don't
need another person telling us that we suck because we do that or no we tell
ourselves enough everyday oh my gosh the sense of humor or like millennial sense
of humor so so very dark and sorry and sarcastic and it's so wonderful that I
love that the phrase true millennial because Satan cannot create anything
yeah he's incapable of doing so he Lee gave that up when he decided to rebel
against the Savior but what he can do is convince people who have agency us to
use our agency poorly and so he takes this con
the true millennia the the chosen of God are here to prepare the second coming
and he tries to convince people to to see that in the wrong way to the Jews
their agency poorly - he so the decree the negative idea of a millennium yeah
and so our job was to shut that out and be like no I'm proud to be millennial
I'm proud to have been born when I was born to grown up in this time and to
have these opportunities because I mean the Internet is the most amazing gospel
tool yeah yeah you know it's so cool our phones dollars resources it's all there
exactly and the ability we have to learn and to share no one else has had that
opportunity out well in such a sad way my first big memory of like my first
memory of something that happened socially was 9/11 mmm the first big
memory of the world I have about learning what's the world's like is 9/11
remember that well yeah I mean absolutely horrible
I mean I lived in rockville maryland at the time right yeah so it wasn't like
too far away right and like all the schools were lockdown everything that
was like hey welcome to life you know you really really said how many i've had
friends who have gone to serve and have poor no longer with us
right i mean these are really sad hard things and so many my friends are
depressed so many of them are on medication having to deal with with that
with a lot of people of my gosh um so many my friends who were girls have been
raped just all these things it feels like we are the generation that is
dealing with the problems that's that were put off and ignored by the
generations before us that's what it feels like and i think it's because he
knows mm-hmm that we've got work to do we have so much work and so he's given
it everything he's got mm-hmm it's it's hard but if you help
the gospel of jesus christ on your side then you're gonna be okay you're going
to know what your purpose is this goes into having the spirit with you this
goes into knowing your role with within your patriarchal blessing mm-hmm we we
as latter-day saints are so lucky that we are
guided the way we were yeah Jackson what have you done to stay grounded as a
millennial yes so like personally you know my life coming from like mixed
faith background where you know I have one parent that's Mormon and one parent
that's not you know I had throughout my teenage years I had many different
opportunities to where if I didn't want to I could have left the church even
though you know I I don't face a lot of the same social pressure that maybe you
know some other people might you know in certain geographic regions you know and
yeah that being said you know and then I also study religions I also I get around
a lot and understand you know different controversies or criticisms of the
church you know so I'm not playing off of ignorance here or anything like that
something I've done to stay grounded is just trusting in the process because
there were days where I definitely didn't feel like I had a solid
foundation underneath me there were days where I didn't know what I thought about
Joseph Smith or about the restoration I didn't know what I felt about the Book
of Mormon you know what my opinion of it was sometimes you know it got a little
negative sometimes it was positive but you know from an early age I felt like I
needed to establish a foundation for myself you know I couldn't just stand on
the testimonies of others you know my church leaders my friends different
family members I couldn't just feed off of everyone else's belief I had to
establish that for myself right and we have a similar example with Joseph Smith
and the process that he went through and wanting to know which of all the
churches was right what God's path in life for him was and and just where he
was to go and so the way that I was able to you know kind of find that foundation
I didn't have any grand theophany or you know spiritual miracle or anything like
that you know I didn't I wasn't visited by deity or an angel or anything like
that I had to wrestle and fight for my testimony over many many years
and one thing that made that manageable and bearable was one trusting in the
process and two taking it step by step line up by line upon line just bit by
bit you know if there's a question I had I'd research it try and find an answer
there you go there's a little bit of a foundation and I would do that day by
day by day and so now I look back on that process very difficult very
stressful and you know there was days where I didn't I didn't feel like I
would ever see that light at the end of the tunnel but eventually it did come
and now I'm very proud and confident and glad that I've gone through that
experience and that God has led me through that because you know I I not
only have a testimony of the church but it's a sure one it's it's one that's
it's rooted in my own experience in building that testimony and finding it
for myself right yeah and so for anyone out there that is at different parts or
places in their belief or testimony you know my advice to you is just keep at it
keep going you know persevere trust in the process trust that God will you know
answer your prayers you know answer your questions and I'm confident and I trust
in God that if you do that and you continue to walk the path that he sets
before you that you'll end up in the right place because we are Mormons and
we're young people are we prejudiced or bigoted at all because of our beliefs
because this is actually when I lived in San Francisco I thought I met so many
people who were like I didn't like Mormons before I met you because I
thought you guys were just a bunch of bigots and I was like I like I like
nobody I thought yeah you know it was like the I didn't think anymore you
prizm wrong wrong just because we're Mormon that means we're we must be like
homophobic and hate women and things like that and I would always be like all
right do you do you get so who gets a really big rep for that you know some
Mormons do like evangelicals and who else Muslims and I said okay if I was
Muslim would you say the same thing it means like oh of course not
be bigoted it was like I think because because we're LDS there there is this
kind of facade around us that there's a stigma not stigma that Mormons are
bigots and I think that's people are thinking less so especially because our
generation is more accepting yeah less like I think the different like because
we keep Commandments and we're very strict we are with Commandments you know
like we we emphasize obedience we emphasize obedience Allah I think people
confuse that for librarians like don't like people who don't either answer
judgment or I don't know kind of like a holier-than-thou attitude which people
have you know and it does have very annoying kind of I get annoyed by that
no no no one makes Mormons anger than other more so when I came to BYU I so I
grew up thinking that caffeine was against the word of wisdom
which it's not but so I just I just didn't drink caffeine growing up not
about huge deal photos just a personal choice so then the prophets like hey
like that's not thinking like yeah you can drink caffeine if you want and I was
like oh and so so then it came to it like oh it's not about religion it's
just personal choice and I made a personal decision I don't still don't
want to drink heavy like if I want to drive and I need some extra energy or
whatever they're sure I will but I'm like I don't want to make it a daily
thing personal decision and you having to do with religion yeah you know I show
up my roommates like hey you want some like coke and I'm like no I'm good he's
like do you not drink caffeine um I know you think you're better than me don't
you but we're just so quick to let ya if you live differently than me you think
you're better and I think part of that too is just you know as we all all of us
inside and outside the church choose to live differently than one
another an important element in making that okay you know and making that not a
negative thing is just asking ourselves well who are we inviting to the table
you know to break bread with us you know in this process who are we willing to
have connections and relationships with because yeah because if you're letting
your personal beliefs get in the way loving someone I don't think your
beliefs are coming to the right place this is savior the Savior loved everyone
even the piano who spat and slapped him in the face yeah you know he died for
everyone so I mean you really loved a lot of the people that hated them rice
and its two meats when people like like yeah just love others who are different
from meats like okay yeah duh but like will you go be friends with
them for me it's like take it's a fur that have like a human relationship
right to me that's that's what's important and I not personally you know
I draw a lines you know obviously if I have friends who live differently to the
me and they're doing something like I don't smoke smoke in front of me I'm
just like okay I'm gonna leave and it's just because I don't want it yeah
there's nothing against you is not me judging you it's just that's not
something I'm comfortable with yeah and I think we need to be careful like if
someone doesn't agree with something we're doing we need to stop being
offended by that no universe um so I kind of a personal point on that like I
said I have members of my close family you know that are either part of the
church or have left the church or aren't part of the church right and so we're
all in different places right a lot of us live differently you know all in the
same household and so like take Sundays for example you know when I am at my
mom's house and we're family dinner we want to go swimming at the pool we want
to go out to eat we want to do something like that you know as a family because
they're not members of the church you know they are obviously living in
different ways than myself and in this instance of kind of Sabbath Day
observance for myself I think it would have a greater negative effect for me to
close myself off for my family back you know and say hey you guys can go ahead
I'm gonna just go shun you and go to your room all day right hell because
like we're swimming or something like that you know right and in this case you
know the spirit of the law outweighs the letter of the law right and so I'm able
to still practice my faith in a way I'm comfortable with in a way that I know
that God understands right but not at the extent of ruining my family
relationship right so the other thing with millennial is that Mormonism school
organism is objectively really cool my friend who is this guy's a fact my
friend who is he's not LDS but please talk I was talking about Joseph
Smith and I was like like distort versus the story of Joseph Smith is just
fascinating right it's just a it's an objectively really cool historical story
but I got to BA how he died about how you know it's killed by the mob and it
was basically it was kind of a shootout because he shot back once or twice yeah
please like confounding your church died in a shootout because that's so cool if
again it's goes like note that is freaking cool like warm isn't as cool
and then they got up and left and went to the other side of the country like
that's cool things like Joseph Smith disturb Joe Smith is cool The Book of
Mormon is cool I mean also a book of mormon talking about extravagant it's so
cold it's the Book of Mormon is woke American Fork
it is woke whatever I like will wear the Mormon is the most vocal scripture there
is and it is perfect for us Heavenly Mother is cool the tower was theology
about space is cool becoming like God is cool Mormonism is really really cool so
don't listen to what people are saying South Park got it wrong like it isn't
cool religion and it is the perfect religion for Millennials so I just want
to invite all the Millennials listening as for Gen Xers or Gen Xers well anyways
I just want to invite all of you to moving forward try the best you can to
be true Millennials and by that I mean be authentic to your faith love others
unconditionally and be bold in standing by the things that you believe in trust
in God that he will direct your paths and allow you to make the right
decisions so that you can end up in the right place and you know if you do these
things and you stay true and faithful to your covenants and you no desire to be a
meaningful part of this faith community this really cool faith community we have
as members of the church then I promise you will get a kick out of it
because I can sure tell you I am yeah it's it's fun it's a blast and you know
I love being in more than myself well that's all I didn't know is
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