>>MEGYN KELLY ISN'T DOING WELL.
HEALTH-WISE SHE IS FINE BUT
SHE'S NOT DOING WELL WHEN IT COMES TO DAYTIME TELEVISION.
MEGYN KELLY IS NOW HOSTING MEGYN KELLY TODAY, NOT THE TODAY SHOW
BUT IT'S CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE LIKE DEBRA MESSING WHO HAD NO
IDEA SHE WAS GOING ON THE MEGYN KELLY VERSION OF TODAY.
SO
GUESTS AREN'T HAPPY ABOUT APPEARING ON HER SHOW, HER
RATINGS AREN'T DOING WELL, AND THIS COMES AFTER ANOTHER FAILED
SHOW SHE DID AFTER FOX NEWS --
>>BY THE WAY MAYBE IT WAS INITIALLY GOING TO BE SOFTBALL,
BUT WHO LET THAT HAPPEN IS BEYOND ME IN THE CAR GOOFING
AROUND -- I WAS NOT ON THE SHOW FOR THESE TIMES, BUT THE
RE-EDITED INTERVIEW, THEY REDID IT, AND WHAT CAME OUT WAS I
THOUGHT REASONABLY TOUGH WHEN ALL WAS SAID AND DONE.
>>I WILL DEFEND MEGYN KELLY IN THE SECOND BUT KEEP GOING.
>>LET'S GET TO THE DEBRA MESSING THING.
THE CAST OF -- WHY AM I
BLANKING ON THIS?
>>WILL AND GRACE.
>>THE CAST OF WILL AND GRACE WENT ON THE SHOW AND DEBRA
MESSING, ONE OF THE STARS OF THAT SHOW, DIDN'T EXPECT MEGYN
KELLY TO BE THE HOST, SHE DIDN'T REALIZE WHAT WAS GOING ON, THEN
SHE REGRETTED IT AND TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH SHE REGRETTED IT
ON SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE MEGYN KELLY HAD SAID SOMETHING PRETTY
INSENSITIVE ABOUT THE GAY COMMUNITY ON THIS VERY
SHOW --
>>IT WAS A PECULIAR INTERVIEW.
HER GAY LINE WAS WEIRD.
BUT I
DON'T THINK -- IT WAS AN ATTEMPT AT AN INCLUSIVE JOKE, TO BE
HONEST.
>>IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THAT AS AN ISOLATED CASE I HEAR YOU, IT
WOULD NOT RAISE A RED FLAG AT ALL FOR ME.
OKAY, SHE SAID THE
GAY THING, YOU ARE SPEAKING OFF-THE-CUFF, MAYBE SOMETHING
COMES OUT THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT -- BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO
TAKE THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF MEGYN KELLY AND ALL THE
HORRENDOUS THINGS SHE SAID ABOUT GAY PEOPLE ON FOX NEWS.
YOU KNOW
WHO SHE IS.
JUST BECAUSE SHE IS ON DAYTIME TV NOW AND IT IS AN
NBC SHOW --
>>DID SHE SAY TERRIBLE THINGS ABOUT GAY PEOPLE AT FOX?
>>SHE DID, JOHN OLIVER HAD A FUNNY MASHUP OF ALL THE
TERRIBLE THINGS SHE SAID ON FOX NEWS.
>>BUT ABOUT GAY PEOPLE?
>>I DON'T REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY THAT MONTAGE INCLUDING COMMENTS
ABOUT THE GAY COMMUNITY, BUT SHE HAS DEFENDED THE BUSINESSES THAT
WANT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST GAY PEOPLE AND NOT BAKE THEM WEDDING
CAKES AND ALL THAT STUFF, SHE'S BEEN CONSERVATIVE ON THAT ISSUE.
>>I DON'T AGREE WITH HER POLITICS BUT -- AND ANA MAKES A
GREAT POINT ABOUT CONTEXT DOES MATTER -- BUT THEY ARE REALLY
LOOKING TO NITPICK EVERYTHING SHE'S DOING.
HERE ON THIS
PARTICULAR ISSUE I'M A LITTLE BIASED BECAUSE I HAVE SAID
SOMETHING EQUALLY AWKWARD TO KEVIN SPACEY, IF YOU REMEMBER
WHEN WE WORKED IN MIAMI --
>>I KNOW WHAT YOU WERE THIS INEXPERIENCED RED CARPET
REPORTER, IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF YOUR CAREER, YOU DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT YOU WERE DOING.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE THIS GIGANTIC PORTFOLIO OF
SHITTY COMMENTS.
>>I HEAR YOU, AND I HAVE NO HOSTILITY TOWARDS THE GAY THING,
NOR DID I BELIEVE THAT SANTA MUST BE ONE.
BUT DEBRA MESSING,
IT'S ALSO A LITTLE ON YOU TO KNOW THE SHOW YOU ARE GOING ON.
THIS EXCUSE OF I DIDN'T KNOW MEGYN KELLY TODAY WAS HOSTED BY
MEGYN KELLY --
>>FIRST OF ALL WE HAVE NO IDEA THAT DEBRA MESSING -- SHE'S BUSY
AND A BIG STAR --
>>YOU ARE GOING ON THE TODAY SHOW --
>>WHATEVER, IT SEEMS LIKE A WEAK SAUCE EXCUSE AFTERWARDS.
>>I THINK WHAT SHE SAID IS LIKELY TRUE, SHE DIDN'T KNOW, I
THINK IT'S ALSO WEAK SAUCE.
>>SO WHAT.
>>SO WHAT, IT WASN'T THE WORST THING.
>>I'M GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION FROM YOU.
I GET IT,
LET ME REITERATE, IF THIS WAS ISOLATED, SHE HAD NOT BEEN DOING
FOX NEWS CHANNEL, I HEAR YOU AND I WOULD DEFEND HER.
HOWEVER,
ISN'T IT FRUSTRATING THAT SHE SAID ALL THE THINGS SHE SAID ON
FOX NEWS FOR YEARS AND YEARS, AND THEN WHO CARES, ALL THAT
WILL BE ERASED AND MIRACULOUSLY NOW YOU GET TO HOST A DAYTIME TV
SHOW ON NBC AS IF YOU ARE NOT THE HATEFUL PERSON YOU ARE.
>>THAT GETS TO THE HEART OF IT, WE WILL GET TOMORROW FOR
SO-CALLED SCREW UPS IN A SECOND -- I'M NOT SAYING NOBODY
IS AT FAULT HERE.
TV IS AT FAULT BECAUSE IT'S SO FAKE.
WE KNOW
MEGYN KELLY IS CONSERVATIVE BUT NOW WE WILL PUT HER IN A NEW
SHOW AT A NEW NETWORK AND NOW SHE'S NOT CONSERVATIVE, SHE'S
MILQUETOAST, SHE'S IN THE MIDDLE AND SHE WILL PLAY IT WITHOUT ANY
POLITICS -- NO, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HIRE MEGYN KELLY LET HER BE
CONSERVATIVE AND DO WHATEVER SHOW SHE WANTS.
BECAUSE BY THE
WAY YOU GET MORE OF AN AUDIENCE THAT WAY.
INSTEAD MAKING HER DO
SOMETHING FAKE, THAT'S WHY THE RATINGS ARE DOWN IF AT ALL.
>>I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT WOULD INCREASE HER RATINGS.
>>IT'S NOT THE RIGHT CHANNEL FOR HER, THAT'S WHY WHEN SHE LEFT
FOX NEWS I PREDICTED, ONCE AGAIN ACCURATELY, SORRY BUT IT'S TRUE,
OF COURSE SHE WOULDN'T BE SUCCESSFUL ON NBC.
YOU HAVE TO
MATCH THE RIGHT PERSON TO THE RIGHT CHANNEL.
SO THIS IDEA THAT
SHE DID OKAY IN THIS CONTEXT HENCE SHE WILL BE A GREAT TODAY
SHOW HOST, SO STUPID AND OLD.
>>WE ARE TAKING A FOX TALENT WHO BY THE TIME SHE LEFT FOX WAS
ARGUABLY UNPOPULAR AT FOX, AND THAT GETS TO -- AND THEN ASKING
THOSE FOXY WORDS TO COME TO NBC, WHO THEY CONSIDERED TO BE PART
OF THE GIANT LEFT-WING MEDIA -- I THINK SHE HAD TO FIND A
TOTALLY NEW AUDIENCE, ONE THAT WOULD ALREADY BE WATCHING, SOME
OF WHOM IF THEY WEREN'T WATCHING FOX PROBABLY DON'T AGREE WITH
HER. AND TO CENK'S POINT, SHE'S SAYING I DON'T WANT TO TALK
ABOUT POLITICS, THIS SHOULD BE A RESPITE FROM POLITICS, MANY
JOURNALISTS ARE TRUMPED OBSESSED -- AGAIN IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE
A JOURNALIST PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SAY THAT ABOUT OTHER JOURNALISTS
COVERING ARGUABLY THE MOST CORRUPT AND DANGEROUS PRESIDENT
WE'VE HAD, THAT'S NOT WHAT A JOURNALIST DOES.
I THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE.
>>NONE OF THIS IS JOURNALISM.
>>THE OTHER THING WE DO IS A PEOPLE IN GENERAL, IS THAT AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE -- I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO IS VERY
CONSERVATIVE, BELIEVES AS I TOLD CENK ON SUNDAY THAT A FORMER
PRESIDENT IS GAY, KILLED A LOVER, AND IS MARRIED TO A MAN
-- AND SHE DOESN'T SAY IT WITH A WINK, SHE LOVES IT, OBAMA IS
GAY, KILLED HIS LOVER, MICHELLE IS A MAN -- AND THAT STORY WENT
AROUND IN THE FAR REACHES OF RIGHT-WING LUNACY --
>>WHAT?
>>SHE IS A HOMEOWNER, AND SHE HAS SET ANOTHER OF OTHER THINGS
THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT SHE IS NOT TO BE -- SHE IS POTENTIALLY
DANGEROUS AND YOU DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A LONG
CONVERSATION, BUT SHE'S BEEN VERY NICE LATELY.
>>THAT'S GOOD.
>>SHE ACCUSED MY WIFE AND I OF CAUSING LEAKAGE UNDER HER HOUSE
BECAUSE WHEN WE MOVED IN WE HAD A HANDYMAN AND HE DID SOME
HAMMERING UNDER OUR GARAGE, SHE SUGGESTED THAT THE HAMMERING
CAUSED THE PIPE TO BREAK UNDER HER HOME.
SO I SAID I DON'T KNOW
A LOT ABOUT THIS BUT THAT'S NOT A THING THAT HAPPENS.
BUT SHE
SAID WHEN THE CITY JACKHAMMER DID CAUSE SOME LEAKAGE -- THAT'S
A JACKHAMMER ON THE STREET, THIS IS A GUY IN OUR GARAGE.
I'M
PRETTY SURE IT DIDN'T CAUSE YOUR HOUSE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S
WAIT UNTIL YOU GET IT LOOKED AT.
THEN SHE COMES TO ME AND SAYS MY
GUYS CAME OUT AND I HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS, IT WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT
CAUSED BY THE HAMMERING.
SO I CALLED MY WIFE AND SAID I JUST
TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR AND -- WE WERE ALL LIKE, LOOK AT THAT,
FANTASTIC.
LET'S HAVE HER OVER FOR COFFEE.
AND I WAS LIKE, WE
ARE DOING IT.
YOU GET THE CONSERVATIVE TO HAVE A MOMENT
WHERE THEY ARE NOT A LUNATIC, AND WE ARE LIKE, HEY, WHAT
BRAVERY!
AMAZING! AND TO SOME EXTENT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH
MEGYN KELLY.
I DON'T KNOW HER POLITICS, SHE TOOK ON TRUMP IN
THE DEBATE AND SHE DIDN'T FLINCH AND SHE ROSE FAR ABOVE THE FOX
BAR, AND I THINK SHE'S AN EXCELLENT BROADCASTER, SHE WAS
GOOD AT BROADCASTING ON THAT SHOW.
BUT WE ELEVATED HER
BECAUSE SHE WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE ON FOX WHO DIDN'T RANT
AND RAVE LIKE A LUNATIC, EVEN THOUGH AS YOU WILL POINT OUT
THERE WERE MANY INSTANCES WHERE SHE SAID THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE
YOUR JOB DROP.
BUT SHE WASN'T SEAN HANNITY OR LOU DOBBS.
THAT'S A LOW BAR BUT SHE CLEARED IT EASILY.
>>ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES WAS WHEN JANE FONDA WAS ON TO
PROMOTE A NEW MOVIE SHE IS IN AND I GUESS MEGYN KELLY ASKED
HER ABOUT HER PLASTIC SURGERY, JANE FONDA DIDN'T LIKE THAT, I
DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT --
>>SHE GAVE THE SIDE-EYE TO HER AND EVERYONE IS LIKE, GOT HER!
ITS ARGUABLY A TOUGH QUESTION.
BUT HEY --
>>SHE SEEMS HAPPY.
>>AND OF COURSE FONDA LATER SAID IT WAS AN INAPPROPRIATE QUESTION
IN THAT CONTEXT, I'VE DONE PLASTIC SURGERY, I DON'T HIDE
IT, IT'S JUST ROBERT REDFORD IS SITTING NEXT TO ME, WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT THE MOVIE, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE -- I DON'T AGREE
WITH JANE FONDA, I LIKE HER POLITICS AND I DON'T LIKE MEGYN
KELLY'S POLITICS, BUT WHEN IS IT APPROPRIATE?
>>I DISAGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO BRING HER ON AND
TALK ABOUT PLASTIC SURGERY -- BY THE WAY JANE FONDA IS 80, SHE
LOOKS LIKE THAT, YES THIS JUST IN, SHE HAS HAD PLASTIC SURGERY.
GREAT PLASTIC SURGERY.
>>I WANT TO KNOW WHO SHE USES.
>>BUT THEY WON'T ASK A GUY.
>>THEY MIGHT.
THEY SHOULD ASK VLADIMIR PUTIN.
>>BY THE WAY SHE'S 79.
>>I INTERVIEW CELEBRITIES, AND IF YOU HAD TWO HOURS MAYBE YOU
WOULD GET TO IT.
NOT IN AN EIGHT MINUTE INTERVIEW.
>>I HATE GETTING INTO THE BUSINESS OF WHAT SOMEONE SHOULD
AND SHOULDN'T ASK.
WHAT IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT.
>>OF COURSE SHE GETS TO ASK IT, BUT GUESS WHAT, YOU MIGHT GET
SNAPPED AT.
SHE CREATED AN AWKWARD MOMENT THAT IS NOT GOOD
TV.
SOME OF THOSE ARE GOOD MOMENTS.
>>FINAL THING, AND I THINK THIS ADDED TO THE QUALITY OF THE SHOW
-- THERE WAS A MISHAP WITH ONE OF THE CAMERAMEN DURING ONE OF
THE EPISODES, WE HAVE A VIDEO, TAKE A LOOK.
>>WHAT HAS BEEN MOST FASCINATING --
>>SHIT.
>>WHAT HAS BEEN MOST FASCINATING --
>>SHIT.
>>WHO SAID --
>>THE CAMERAMEN SAID SHIT.
THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT
COME ON, THAT IS NOT ON MEGYN KELLY.
>>THEY ARE IN THE FIRST WEEK OF BLOCKING A SHOW.
>>BUT HERE IS WHAT I THINK IS ON MEGYN KELLY, SHE ALSO ADDRESSED
HER RATINGS, OR THE CRITICISM, THIS
IS WHAT YOU SAID --
>>LIKE, I'M KIND OF TIRED OF EVERYONE WHO GETS ANY CRITICISM
BITCHING AND WHINING ABOUT THE MEDIA.
EVERYTHING IS THE MEDIA'S
FALLS.
LIKE THE FIRE CHIEF WHO USE THE "N" WORD ON FACEBOOK TO
REFER TO AND AFFECT PLAYERS KNEELING DURING THE ANTHEM, IT'S
NOT THE MEDIA'S FAULT, IT'S HIS FAULT.
SAME WITH MEGYN KELLY.
IT'S NOT AS SERIOUS WITH HER, BUT YOUR RATINGS SUCK, THEY
AREN'T GOOD.
>>I SAW THAT CLIP AND SHE WAS CUTE, I THOUGHT.
IT WAS LIKE A
GOOD JOKE, AND SHE WAS SEEING THE MEDIA, NO, AND THE AUDIENCE
-- SHE WAS SAYING I'M GRATEFUL FOR ALL OF YOU. AND HER RATINGS
ARE COMPARABLE, THEY ARE DOWN 4% IN THE AUDIENCE AND 11% IN THE
NEWS DEMO FROM LAST YEAR, BUT THAT WAS THE DAY OF THE CLINTON
AND TRUMP DEBATE AND EVERYTHING IN NEWS WAS MASSIVELY SPIKED.
SO
HER NUMBERS ARE CONSISTENT, AND WE DON'T KNOW, WE WILL FIND OUT
WHETHER PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN GOING TO NBC AND WATCHING MEGYN
KELLY.
>>TO BE FAIR I THINK THE MEDIA IS NITPICKING.
SHE DID A
SOFTBALL INTERVIEW WITH LYNE MENENDEZ, SHE ASKED IS THERE JOY
IN YOUR LIFE.
I DON'T KNOW, HE'S IN PRISON, THAT'S NOT A CRAZY QUESTION.
AND THE REST OF THE MEDIA DOES SOFTBALL INTERVIEWS, CRIMEA
RIVER ON THAT.
>>AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALEX JONES, THAT WAS A
NEWSMAGAZINE SHOW -- LYLE MENENDEZ, HE LOCKED UP, WE KNOW
HE DID IT, THERE'S REALLY NO TOUGH QUESTION TO ASK ABOUT HIM.
THE MORE INTERESTING QUESTION IS HOW IS YOUR LIFE IN PRISON?
IF YOU INTERVIEW HIM THAT'S THE INTERESTING THING.
AND I THINK SHE IS AN EXCELLENT BROADCASTER.
>>A LOVEFEST HAPPENING HERE.
>>I THINK TECHNICALLY SHE'S GOOD AT BEING A BROADCASTER.
IT'S A
HARD JOB, NOT EVERYONE CAN DO IT.
>>I THINK ALL THESE TV PEOPLE ARE SO USELESS, READING
FROM THE PROMPTERS AND ALL THAT.
>>DON'T KNOCK THAT.
>>BUT OH, WE HIRED HER BECAUSE SHE HAS A GREAT SMILE --
>>I WILL GIVE HER THAT, SHE HAS A GREAT SMILE.
>>AND HER THINKING HER AUDIENCE, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
CURSING THE AUDIENCE RESPONSE HAS BEEN TERRIFIC IS -- THAT'S
NOT REALLY TRUE BECAUSE RATINGS ARE DOWN.
AGAIN GOOD CONTEXT AS
TO WHY RATINGS MIGHT BE DOWN BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THE AUDIENCE
HAS BEEN GREAT.
>>WE HAVE NO SAMPLE SIZE, AND WHAT COUNTS AS SUCCESSFUL NOW IN
TV, YOU NEED A MUCH SMALLER NUMBER TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
>>YES.
SHE IS CONSERVATIVE, MAKE OF THAT WHATEVER YOU LIKE, AND I
DON'T LIKE -- BUT I THINK PEOPLE ARE NITPICKING HER LITTLE BIT,
AND I THINK WHAT THEY ACCUSE HER OF, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA DOES
ALL THE TIME IN OTHER CONTEXTS AS WELL.
IF I WAS NBC I WOULD
LET HER BE WHOEVER SHE IS, THAT MIGHT TURN OUT TO BE A MORE
LOATHSOME SHOW THAT PROBABLY BETTER RATED.
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