Who wants to chat?
I'll chat.
What's happening here?
We're protesting the protesters.
ok.
Why are you protesting?
I'm not against being vegan
but I'm a little against that you are forcing it down the throat of others
Are we doing that tho?
Yes I'd say so
What would you say for the animals
are knives literally forced into their throats?
No
talking about that
I'm a farmer so I wouldn't say so
ok
How are animals then killed or or how do you get meat?
Firstly you think about this as food
then it's ok
Then it's ok?
Yes
I'd say so
Should we never think about what the animals think?
You always put half of them on
like sheep for next year
then you send the others to the slaughterhouse for the people to eat.
So it's just natural.
But you have to put a knife in their throat.
No they use more like a stunner
It's a tube you take and then *dugh*
Ye ok so that's better?
Yes way better
But we are forcing our views down others throat?
Yes actually
in my opinion
That's alright
You can think what you want
And you are protesting those who are showing animals respect?
I show animals respect.
I'm not against that
But when you're a farmer you can't
if you don't put it in the slaughterhouse farmers couldn't carry on
if farmers can't continue farming
then we'd stop breeding this
slaughter it all and then there will be no more animals in Iceland
What if we started growing something else?
like we have greenhouses
we could just grow plants instead
I'm not a vegetable man
But should we never think about animals
as having a right to live or not?
Yes but then it's also
which do you want if they are sick
isn't it just better to kill them quick before it gets ugly
Ye but the animals we're slaughtering in the slaughterhouse here
are they all sick?
No
are we easing their suffering?
Sometimes we have to send and incapable cow to slaughter
But most of them are healthy.
Not the cows with inflamed udders
too old and can't milk
can't birth a calf anymore
no use for them anymore
So when we can't use them anymore as product then we should just kill them?
Not if it's something really close to your heart
of course if it's a good cow that you had as a kid you don't send it to a slaughterhouse
You are a farmer yourself
I was raised partly on a dairy farm
and there I connected with them animals a lot
Yes I have that connection with my horses
I just send the untamed ones to the slaughterhouse
the ones that have thrown me off or can't be tamed
So if the horses don't obey you then just kill them?
Yes _____? damn untamed horses
You can have your opinion
Yes then the next man has his opinion
I'm not against that
We agree to disagree
Yes we can do that!
Ok no problem
I'm going to chat to some others here thanks for the interview
Thank you too
How are you?
I'm fine
What are you doing here?
I'm just having a bbq.
Just bbqing?
yeye
Are you here to protest something or?
Yes to protest the protesters
whom are protesting meat or killing of animals.
Why?
Just to show them that meat is good
ye
And there is nothing wrong with eating meat
and we're trying to save the animals
How's that?
Some say we're raping animals if we milk them
but in reality we're just saving them from rotting in a ditch
ok
But what we need to do for the cow to get pregnant
what does that entail?
You just have to put a bull on her
that's not really rape
But aren't there inseminators that put semen into the cow?
yes also
but I wouldn't classify that as rape
just multiplying
But what if someone would do that to a human?
Is that rape?
No because humans choose to be impregnated
But what if the human wouldn't choose it and was tied down?
That would indeed be rape but it's a totally different issue
What's the difference?
We are humans
we have our opinions on things and we can express ourselves
but animals can't express themselves in a way we can understand
but we know
because we've been doing this for thousands of years
So if the animals can't express themselves to us
then it's ok to...
nono
Don't misunderstand it
it's just..
I'm really trying to understand this
It's just that we are really helping the animals to breed and multiply
ok?
And helping them to survive and help us to rebuild nature
Ok so the animals want this?
yes because
if they can't breed they will die out
then in the end we will die
So if we stop breeding the animals we will just die?
Yes
Why?
Because it's them that maintain for example
like a lot of farmers they put manure on the grass
just to help it grow sooner
and that helps clearly with the growth
then we are improving it
and if the animals die
then you lessen the chance of the grass to grow quickly
then you lessen the chance of us surviving.
But why are we growing the grass?
So the animals can eat
to keep them alive
So if we would just be growing other plants in greenhouses or something
couldn't we just eat that?
Yes for sure
but we wouldn't be getting the nutrition or the protein that we need
Ok so there is something in meat that we really need?
Yes there are critical nutrients for life
Ok which nutrients are that?
Protein and all kinds
I'm not really sure
Somebody just told you?
yes and I know it for sure
There is much more nutrition in 100g of meat
compared to 100g of salad
ok
of iceberg salad?
yes
What about beans?
I'm not much of a vegetable man
Maybe you don't know much about nutrition? Do you?
No I'm not a nutritionist
ok awesome
Thanks for the interview
really informative
Anybody else want to chat?
Yes how are you?
I'm really good
Why are you here?
I'm here to get a hotdog
and educate those vegans that it's no point in protesting
Why?
Because if we stop breeding these animals
then they would just go extinct in Iceland they couldn't survive out in nature or nothing
But if we'd stop breeding them there would just be a few left
yes
So they are trying to save them
but there is no point in stopping breeding them
if you're going to save it
then they'd just go extinct
What vegans are saying maybe
that the life they are bred into is not something we'd want
They are saying that their not happy and all that
but of course not everybody is happy
that they don't feel good you know
but the farmers do all they can do to make the animals feel good
otherwise the meat will taste bad
ye ok
Not because they care for the animals?
Yes of course that too
but at the end of the day it comes down to
if you slaughter a stressed animal then the meat will taste bad
Can we say we care for someone and kill them at the same time?
Yes you can't...
If you're running a farm you can't be cuddling all the animals
it's just a business
it's a money issue
Can we talk about ethics and money at the same time?
Like for example slave owners probably would have said back in the day...
No not really
Then the question is
Why don't we look at animals with the same right as us, the right to live?
That's a good question
The animals can't really talk so they can't say that they don't like this
So they are more vulnerable, innocent, can't express themselves and are defenseless?
yes
Are those good reasons to treat them like a product?
Well it's not necessarily ok
but you have to do it..
because we obviously need to eat meat to get enough nutrition
ok so there is something in meat that we really need?
Yes special proteins and acids and things
Which proteins are that?
Don't really know but it's probably something you can't from vegetables
Ok so you don't know?
Haven't looked into it.
But what if you found out that we could get all the nutrition that we needed pretty easily
on a plant based diet
Would you change your mind?
I can't stop eating meat
it's just so much in my diet
I'ts just so much habit and tradition ok I understand
But what got me to change
I watched the movie Earthlings on youtube
it showed how we treat all animals in the world
and I was a hunter myself and everything
I just couldn't justify it anymore because I also learned
that we can live a perfectly healthy life on a vegan diet.
Then comes the question
Why cause so much suffering in the world
when we can skip it
I just think it's because it's really hard to change how people think
especially icelandic farmers
they are damn stubborn
you can't change how they run their farm
But would you say it's ethically better tho?
if we would stop treating animals like this?
Yes indeed
but we can't change it
To hard to change?
Yes it's involved in the diet of everyone
Wouldn't you say that slaveowners would have said the same thing back in the day
and people that were alive at that time
"it's way to hard to change this"
now we know it took at least 200 years for that to change
Bin america for example
But that's different because the slaves were humans
with the same rights as us
Then the question is
"what's the difference between us and other animals which justifies treating them like a product?"
That's just... it's just...
I don't really have an answer for that
I've been searching for 7 years for the answer
and I haven't found anything
so I don't blame you for not having an answer on the spot.
But do you think this is an interesting topic?
Yes I really do
but I don't agree with them
Do you not agree with the people barbequing?
No the ones on the other side
the vegans
I'm with the ones bbqing
So you have chosen a side
Do you think that influences you choices?
because you've chosen to be all in on this side protesting us
that maybe you couldn't change your opinion?
I don't think I could change my opinion
It's just too much of a habit for me to eat meat
such a big part of my diet
Can I give you information you can look at when you get home
about veganism, nutrition and everything
would you look at it when you get home?
Yes for sure
I'm not attacking you guys here
just having a chat
Challenge22 is there if you want to try to be vegan for 22 days
just test it out man and see how you feel
maybe you'll find out that you can be perfectly healthy without eating animals
Of course I could do that
but
I just think meat tastes so good
I couldn't change it
Then the question is of course
Are our taste preferences more importand then the life of the animals?
their whole life you know
It's just bred to come here
what do you mean?
They wouldn't have much of a life if they wouldn't come here
then they would just die anyway
But is this a life you would want to live yourself?
No
I'm of course glad I'm not a cow in there
You are glad that you are here but not in there
Yes but it doesn't bother me really to eat this
I'm just...
they just need to be slaughtered for us to be able to eat them
Yes that's true
But you wouldn't want to be in their position?
nono
Anyway thanks for the interview
and you've been really great
I just hope you check it out online
I'm going to try and talk to some more people
Just showing you the bbq
They stand there and there are a lot of people here to protest the ones that are standing with animals
people can of course do that
Why are you here?
Free hotdogs.
free hotdogs?
yehes
Are you not here to protest something?
Not specifically against them
I don't have anything against vegan I just wanted a hotdog
Have you thought about this issue?
I just don't care if it's vegan or not.
Ok so you're just living your life in peace?
I just want to be a meat eater and I don't care what other people do.
What the people over there are trying to raise awareness for
is that there is an individuals that go in there by the masses
that can feel just like us
and what do you think about that?
that they are individuals that feel pain and have children and everything
why should we just take everything from them?
If we would stop killing all those animals
they would breed so much that there wouldn't be any room for them
then we would have to kill them
What's happening is that we are breeding them into this life
they are not breeding themselves
they are here because we are breeding them
to eat them
so if we would stop eating them
which would probably happen slowly over time
then automatically we would stop breeding them
and there would be less and less of those animals
so they are never going to multiply and take over you know
No of course they won't take over
or just take over an area of land or something
that would never happen I know that
Does that make sense?
yes
Why should we take a life when we have another choice?
Because some like the taste of meat
and have grown up in it since birth
since ancient times or something
Then the question is
Is that a good justification for it?
I don't know, just
It's a hard question I know
It's pretty hard
I've thought a about it for a long time but haven't found a good justification for it
that's why I'm vegan
it's not a justification, we've just taken over the earth
humans
so we can just do what we want you know
some people don't see it that way, we should respect others
other animals
What do you think?
I just really don't care
That's ok people can think what they want
So you just don't care about what's happening
I don't care if people are vegan or meateaters
or vegetarian
just live your life I don't care
Should we not extend that attitude to animals?
let them live their life in peace?
I don't know
These are hard questions man
But I look at it like this
animals can suffer like us
have feelings just like us
feel love, happiness and everything
Then what right do we have to take their life from them?
when we have another choice
and why should we cause them suffering when we have another choice?
that's why we're here to try and raise awareness about this
I see it as we have taken over the earth and we can basically do what we want
So might makes right?
Yes
So the one that has the power should use it as he pleases?
Perhaps not as he pleases
we are not killing only just to kill
we are killing to eat
if you don't want to do that then you don't
if you don't want to support killing animals then you just don't eat meat
but I think meat is never going to stop existing
Do you think it will decrease?
I could believe that
because there is a lot of people going vegan
vegetarian and something
Would you say it's positive for the ethics of mankind, the earth and everything?
I just don't understand why there is protesting
just live your life like you want
and if there will be less meat then there just will be less meat
it's not an opinion in my opinion anyway
Thanks for the interview
Do you want some info to look at when you get home?
I have a card I can let you have
Is it just a website?
Yes a lot of sites and documentaries on netflix for example
yes sure
Dominionmovement.com
that's a new film
that explains in detail why we are doing what we are doing here
so you'll understand it completely
I'll look at it
Thanks for the interview man
I want to chat to one of the bbqers
this one has bacon
can I see
No I don't want bacon
Is there a bbqer that want's to chat?
I'm just asking why you are here?
Because they are protesting our food
then we are just fighting back
against them protesting us so we don't get food
meat
If they can eat the grass from my sheep
then I have the right to eat the meat from them
Is anybody eating grass?
Yes probably a lot of people
Really?! Who's eating grass?
I could believe them to do it
that's just my thing
Ye I mean everybody has their opinion
yesyesyes
But what they are trying to raise awareness for is
should we respect the opinion of the animals?
You know, they are voiceless to begin with
And defenseless?
Well defenseless and not defenseless...
It's all about how you think about it
Can sheep defend themselves in a slaughterhouse?
Then they are already dead
No before they are killed?
Yes sure they could defend themselves
there is just more power in people
So might makes right?
Yes for sure, I think so, I'm just a meateater
Yes I was a meateater before I just changed 7 years ago
I decided to change because I saw the animals side
that's why I'm asking people here...
Yes I understand
this is just my thing
ye I'm just ye
So you came here to bbq in front of the slaughterhouse
yes
really
Would you say you respect animals?
Me? I fully respect animals
I just think they are so delicious
that I just.. yes
Would you say it's respectful to bbq the actual animals in front of the slaughterhouse that they are killed in?
They don't know what's happening so...
and they are dead anyway so they don't feel it
But at some point they are alive before they are killed
it's a long time since this was alive you know
but we are just doing hotdogs so...
You also have bacon?
Ye that just arrived
I just
I want to ask you a lot of questions
do you want to answer them?
I have to go and do something else
What are you going to do?
Just cook more hotdogs
grilligrill
Thanks for the chat
I'll just continue, people seem to be up for this
Are you girls up for a chat?
Yes
Why are you here?
So, us meateaters we're not forcing you vegans to eat people
so we are protesting you for forcing us to stop eating meat
it's just our way
and if you just to your thing in peace and we do our thing in peace
then these protests wouldn't be happening
Are vegans actually forcing people to eat...
Yes just like all this
always shaming meateaters
saying they are killing life
never thinking that chickens would never live the winter unless there were farmers who keep them alive
So vegans are forcing meateaters to?
Not everbody
but there are extremists
That are physically forcing others?
Not physically more like emotionally
like oppression
Oppression?
So just criticizing meateaters?
Yes
And that should not be acceptable?
No
No criticisms in society.
No
But should we look at the animals point of view?
How?
Would you say that animals want to live their life?
Maybe not all
just like not all humans want to live their life
if you want to compare that
So if an animal is depressed?
That can happen that an animal is depressed
Are all animals depressed?
Not all
What would you say about the animals that are not depressed?
should we respect their right?
This is just the way of life
that all children and all people were taught when they were little
everyone lives and everyone dies
Have we always through out history been doing the right thing, mankind?
Why is this wrong necessarily?
if you are saying that
I'm speaking for the opinion of the people across the street
and we are looking at this from the animals perspective
because they have the ability to suffer
and want to live their life because they avoid dying
they avoid all pain and all that
But what about for example wool clothes are not ok for you guys
but sheep they don't like it when the wool gets to be too much and they are overheating
in farms
is it wrong then to comb our dogs or take our horses out to let them move
so they don't die from obesity
Ok let's talk about us killing animals
why kill them?
Ye it isn't just about that
But what if we only talk about that?
I know there are a lot of issues to cover
and many places to look
but can we talk about just the act of killing, taking someones life against their will
when we have another choice
There isn't always another choice for example
let's say an animal gets injured out in the field
and has no chance of living without suffering
is it then ok to let it live and suffer forever instead of ...
So it's ok to easy the suffering of others?
Yes if that's the better option
What about when we are slaughtering animals that are perfectly healthy? How can we justify that?
Because animals don't all live in nature
they are raised to be farm animals
and they can't live in nature so you can't say that the farm life is always bad for them
But I'm just talking about when we kill them
Ye but there is just so much more then just that
Ok but how do you justify killing them?
I was saying it
if they are sick or injured
should we just let them live in suffering all their life
Ye but that's just easing somebodies suffering
I think we should just agree to disagree.
ok that's ok but you didn't answer the question
Which was what justifies?
How can you justify killing an animal that wants to live?
You don't know if they want to live
So is it because we don't know that they want to live then it's ok to kill them?
I mean I was raised on a farm from birth
Me too.
There is question about it you know
we don't have endless space
but we also don't want to throw them outside and let them die in the cold
But what if we just stop breeding them into this life?
So just let them go extinct?
What good is that for the planet to let all animals go extinct because you don't want farmers....?
care for them and grow them
Well all animals wouldn't go extinct
How would you justify pets, cats and dogs?
The vegan perspective on that is
that we shouldn't be breeding animals for our entertainment or use
but we can save animals that are in need
It's never fun to kill my animals you know
Why is that?
Because they are precious to me
but I'm not going to cry myself to sleep
But why isn't it fun to kill animals, aren't we predators?
Yes but that doesn't mean we think it's fun
we just do it to live.
Have you never done anything that you don't think is fun?
Many things but
Exactly that answered your question on it's own
But I don't do anything I don't think is fun if it's causing direct suffering onto someone else
Have you never hurt anyone else in you life?
Have I never?
hurt anyone else in your life?
then you are causing them suffering.
But I'm not killing someone unnecessarily.
Have you never killed a bug?
Accidentally
Do you do that accidentally?
I don't know where this conversation has gone but...
My question was that
How can we justify taking somebodies life that doesn't want to die? when we have another choice
But you don't have much other choice
What about vegans?
If you would just be vegan in peace then this protest would've never happened
What about the animals?
What do you mean the animals?
Should they not be able to be in peace?
They are not harassed on farms
horses are not harassed when they are out in the field where they get food all year and water
Ok I think this conversation is over, that was full on
There they are on the other side
just standing and not being loud
There is the grill
This one is strong
I'm just a meateater
You are a meateater
I'm a meateater
True meateaters
What makes you into true meateaters?
We like eating meat
Why are you here? Is it just because you like eating meat?
Ye and to support them
Are you here to protest?
Not really
Are you against vegans?
Not really against them but we don't support them
Why?
I think it's a ridiculous idea
What's ridiculous about it?
Many things are ridiculous and many things make sense
Yes and I'm just trying to figure out what is ridiculous?
People have eaten meat since we can remember
and all of a sudden people are changing it and don't want to eat it
Just because we've done something for a long time
is that an automatic justification for something?
No not like that no
It's just never going to change
unless something magical happens
Like more people would turn vegan?
yes
How can we justify killing another animal that wants to live?
That's a good question
Do you have an answer?
Noooo not this second
Maybe Sigurður has it
How do we justify killing another animal that want's to live?
Kill another animal that want's to live?
I can answer this question with the foundations of agriculture
as I am brought up on a farm I've seen that many animals just die if we don't care for them
like if you don't milk your cows like they are fighting against over there
then they just die
full of germs and other things
Yes, the sheep they can suffocate if you don't sheer them
then we wouldn't have wool sweaters, we would be so cold if we wouldn't have wool sweaters
Why are the cows milking?
Why are the cows milking?
To feed their children
I'm going to have a hotdog, have a good day
ye you too
What are you doing here?
Eating a hotdog
Free hotdogs?
Yes
Are you protesting here?
Yes
I'm just against it
if we don't keep things running like we do then it will just go extinct
Would you say that the life they are bred into
having to go to a slaughterhouse and things
is that a life you would want?
That we would want to live?
That's not the same
But would you want it?
Yes sure if somebody would want to eat me
if I was tasty
then I wouldn't care
So you would want to be sent to a slaughterhouse and killed?
If I was tasty then I would understand it
Ok that's really interesting
Personally I wouldn't want to be killed just because somebody else wants to eat me
I would rather want to live my life in peace
Yes but aren't the farmers caring for the animals
isn't the farmer giving you food
The farmer is giving you food
I don't eat animals
Yes but if you are a sheep
and you are going to live outside
then you would just die in the end
but if you are in a farm where the farmer can take care of you
then he is doing something for you so why can't he get something in return?
So you have to pay with your life if he gives you food?
Yes
Is that something you would want someones else to do to you?
What?
If someone takes care of you
Lets say you're a lamb and you are outside in all seasons
Summertime
Where are you going to be if the farmers isn't going to keep you inside?
Don't sheep go inside in winter?
But what if no one takes them in?
If no one take care of them?
It's isn't natural for sheep to be here
and we breed them into this life
what did you say
we breed them into the life that they are in
I just think it's ridiculous that people just stopped eating meat 1,2 and bingo
why not just, just this is how we are
and this is how we're raised
and why should we stop this
that's just my opinion and your opinion could be different
it's really ok to have a different opinion
I'm not attacking you here
No I understand that perfectly
But would you say it's better for the animals to stop breeding them into this life and killing them?
What did you say?
Would you say it's better for the animals, the planet and maybe us
if we would stop raising these animals into this life just to kill them?
I don't understand this question
Me neither
Ok the life that they are bred into
yes being with a farmer?
they are in a semi prison
yes
and then they are sent to a slaughterhouse
where they are shot in the head and have their throat slit
would you say it's better for the animals
to skip breeding them or is it better for them to be bred into that life?
They would just be extinct if we don't breed them
What do you want to say to sheepfarmers whom are breeding sheep?
We want to say that we don't hate farmers
we just want farmers to change into growing plants
instead of breeding animals
because we don't have to eat animals anymore
to live a healthy life
that's why we should just skip it because animals feel pain like us
and why cause somebody else suffering when we have another choice?
Also with farmers, they are often in really hard working conditions
they have to work long days
it's not the best job and you have to sacrifice a lot for it
so it would also be better for them not having to work like that
What about us that love Icelandic lambmeat
Plantfood can be just as tasty
as the food people are used to
I cook really good redwine marinated oumph
which is soy based meat
most meateaters really happy with that
What about the fish in the sea?
It's been shown that they feel pain just like all other animals
and it's just the same with them, why kill them and eat when we have another choice?
We probably treat them the worst of all animals
probably not a good way to die being dragged up and suffocating very slowly
Are you going to protest that?
That's not out of the picture, this is an animal save
it's for all animals that are used for humans
What message do you have for those that eat animal products?
It's to educate yourself about other choices
for example go to VeganÍsland on facebook
or you can do a challenge
on www.challenge22.com
where you just try to be vegan for 22 days
and you'll get help from dietitians and mentors that will make it as easy for people as possible
and ye it's just about informing yourself
Be open, open for something new
we don't need to do it if we don't want to
and most people like animals
most people don't want to inflict pain on them or for them to die unnecessarily
nobody would want to do that to a dog
Nice good luck
Thank you
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