- Hello everyone, my name is Mandi Lynn.
I'm the author of the fantasy novels, Essence,
I am Mercy, and thriller novel, She's Not Here,
as well as the creator of AuthorTube Academy.
Today I have a special guest, Brittany Wang.
Would you like to introduce yourself?
- Yes, hi guys, I'm Brittany Wang.
I am an author of an upcoming YA fairy fantasy series,
and I also have an AuthorTube channel and I also host
a Facebook group called The Plotter Life Writers
Facebook Group.
We have about 300 members and it's been so fun
to collaborate there.
So thanks for having me on your channel.
- Oh absolutely, and she also has an awesome Instagram
that you should check out as well.
- Thank you.
- So today we discovered that I'm a pantser
and she's a plotter, so we've been doing some fun interviews
so if you wanna hear an interview of her asking me
all these questions about being a pantser,
head over to her channel.
I will have a link to that video down below.
But today, I'm gonna be interviewing Brittany
about how she is a plotter and how that may work.
Because I don't know what that life is like.
(intense music)
So for those of you who don't know, a plotter is someone
who sits back and plots the whole novel
before they start writing.
A pantser is just someone who just goes for it,
which is what I do.
(laughing)
So, Brittany, why do you plot your book?
- Ah, okay, well I'm a person who love,
we were talking about this on the other video,
but like I love to have a plan.
I just feel more secure (laughing) having a plan,
but I also really love studying story structure
and really understanding why stories work.
And with that, I really also enjoy just like
the story of transformation, which is a lotta stories,
and when I'm thinking about where I wanna take a story
or even like the theme of a story,
I wanna be like really purposeful about that.
And you can definitely do that while you're pantsing
as well, but it's hard for me to do that without a plan.
So I love to like sort of use story beats
and just like a basic outline to figure out
okay where am I going, even if that changes later,
I love to at least have a direction.
And then when I feel like I have that direction,
I feel like I can sort of just fill in the holes from there
and do that.
- How do you plot your novel technique-wise?
Like do you have a certain way you go about
plotting your novel?
- I've tried a bunch of different ways and I don't know
that I have a specific way yet, and again this is
my first novel, so as we were talking about before,
it could change from book to book.
But right now I've tried Scrivener,
but I really just like using a Word document.
I love sort of writing down all my ideas,
maybe I'll do that first on a piece of paper,
but then I'll start seeing connections and I'll start
seeing those story beats sorta pop up,
like oh this is the inciting incident or this is the ending
or this is the midpoint.
And then I'll start organizing that on like a Word document.
And then I also really loved when I started using
a story bible or a novel bible, series bible,
whatever you wanna call it, and I have a video about that.
But it just sorta takes each character profile,
and I'm doing fantasy, so that's a whole nother thing
where you're trying to do the world-building,
and I love to wrap the world-building into the story,
make that really purposeful, so I love brainstorming
within that, even if it's not in story form,
within like those templates and then figuring out
how do these things mesh into the story.
So between the outline and the series bible,
those are like my main forms of plotting right now.
- I love the series bible, by the way.
- Oh good.
- Almost part of me wants to do it,
even though I'm not a plotter. (laughing)
- You could it for editing too.
- That's true, that's true.
- Yeah yeah yeah. - You can do that for editing.
- Right so you could even, whatever part of the process.
- Now we have Catio - Yes.
- Okay so since you're a plotter, do you feel like
the quality of the first draft is better?
- Again I have nothing to compare it to personally,
but I will say that when I've shown the first few chapters
to some of my CPs, and they have said,
hey, this actually feels more like a third draft
or second or third draft, and I, yeah I think
that it's because I'm already like setting things up,
I'm already able to like foreshadow certain things.
That being said, that particular draft was like,
I did like a really rough like,
I think for Camp NaNo, and that was like terrible.
(laughing) So I wouldn't show any of that to anyone.
But it was just like I would speed through
with the basic outline and then I was like, okay,
now I'm gonna go back through.
So yeah, but they said that it felt like pretty strong,
and I'm really happy with it, but there are also
some drawbacks to that which we'll talk,
I'm sure we'll talk about. (laughing)
- Now if you didn't write fantasy,
do you feel like you would still need like
that plotted outline?
- Yeah, I feel like yeah, with fantasy,
you do have like a lot of world-building
that you're trying to do, but I feel like with any story
I would tell, even if it's contemporary,
like I would wanna do research about if it's a real place
or if I'm doing like a sci-fi or dystopian,
like I'd wanna figure out like where am I (laughing)
generally you know and try to pull some of those things in.
So I think for me, I might do a little less plotting,
but I think generally naturally
I would still go for some plotting. (laughing)
- You would need to.
- I would have fun with it, I can't help it.
The only other thing I would add is that doing like
the plotting, and not just the plotting,
but like research, so I didn't get to ask you this
in the other video, but like about how much research
do you do, because even for like She's Not Here,
I know like you have some knowledge already
previous to like where you work,
but also do, did you do a lot of research?
And for me I feel like I learn a lot during the research
and it instructs my plotting.
- Right.
- So I don't know if you wanted to add anything from that,
but I just felt like that was,
(laughing)
it's helpful for my plotting.
- Yeah, so working off the last question,
do you feel like you have an easier time with draft two
when it comes to the editing process?
Do you reference your outline
when you're doing draft two?
- Yes, I reference the outline and the draft.
Right now I'm taking, I did a fast read-through
of the first draft, and I took notes,
even though I had an outline, there will still things
that I pantsed as I was going.
So it's not like I'm plotting every single scene
or every single moment or piece of dialogue.
It's more just getting that picture and like
that progression and any specific things
I know I want in it, but then like yeah,
there were definitely areas where I pantsed and I was like,
oh I found out about this character,
I found out more about this part of the world.
And so now I'm taking those like little markings
in the draft and putting them into a Word document
(laughing) which I just showed on my Instagram Stories,
I might do another video about, but where I'm then
transferring all of those notes and that will then
change the outline.
- Right.
- Right now, so here's one of the downsides,
is that I think there are certain critical things
in my last outline that will change based on
this first draft, based on some of the pantsing
that did happen, and some of the things that like didn't,
like I didn't write as well as I thought I would,
like I'm not completely happy with the ending
that I plotted, even though it sounded really strong
in the outline, it didn't end up being super strong, hi.
(laughing)
And so with that, like you can be as prepared as you can,
but you can still end up having to trash a lot
or having to rewrite a lot.
For me I still feel better about having the plotting
ahead of time, but that can be the downside.
- Just laughing. (laughing)
Okay is this what we're doing now?
(laughing)
- She likes the book, no he.
- He. - I'm sorry,
he likes the books too. (laughing)
Oh really likes the book.
(laughing)
- Little destructive, okay, you can sit there, why not.
All right, just get a little cat booty in the video.
(book thumping)
Oh thanks.
- I want him, I want the attention.
- You can be the star now I guess.
(laughing)
Okay, (laughing)
would you be able to pants a novel if you had to?
Do you think you could do it?
- You mean if I had like a gun to my head?
(laughing)
- If I told you,
you have to write this novel but you're not allowed
to outline it, would you be able to?
- I think I'd be able to.
You know I've definitely done like some microfiction,
like we were talking about flash fiction earlier,
and I feel like yeah I could, I could probably do it
in shorter spurts.
But I feel like it would be really hard
(laughing) to like, I would get into like
a certain amount of chapters, then I would be like,
ooh and then this thing and then, I sorta wanna
write this down and like chronicle a little bit
and like brainstorm a little bit to get there.
But if I had to, (laughing) I would,
it would probably just take me awhile.
- Yeah. (laughing)
If you had a gun to your head.
- Right, all right, which plotting still takes awhile,
like I was plotting for months before I even
wrote any like real words or any real pages.
So that's another downside, like sometimes you might
get out like a full draft like sooner
than like a plotter would.
- Right.
- So yeah, there's that.
- So that was one of my next questions was how long
it did take to plot a novel.
But with that said, since you kinda sorta answered it,
feel free to digest more if you'd like.
But with that in mind, once you have the novel plotted,
how long does it take to actually write it?
- Okay, well, so the current story that I'm working on,
the seedling of the idea I like to say started
in like middle school.
So I wrote like a 7,000 word, which actually,
I might have pantsed that a little bit, I have,
I can't remember.
But it was a complete story, and then,
now that I'm like sorta getting really back into writing
and like have this like trajectory of like
I'm gonna publish this book, I really started
getting serious about it like in January,
and then I was plotting up until like the first Camp NaNo.
So that was like April.
And then I tried to write the first like really messy draft
(laughing) and I didn't, I reached the end,
but there were so many scenes that I didn't even write
because I was like I don't even know what's going on here.
And then I did more plotting between then
and the next Camp NaNo and I tried to write the next draft,
which I only got like 25,000 words,
but it was something.
(laughing)
And then I had a goal throughout the summer
to get the first real draft done by the end of August,
which I did.
So that's sort of the timeline, but even before then,
there was more like plotting even before January
that was like sprinkled.
But once I got serious, it did take, what is that,
like four or five months, somewhere around there,
to get to a place where I was like okay,
I feel comfortable diving in now.
(laughing)
- Is there anything else you would like to add?
- I would just say that if you have pantsed
your whole life and you really haven't done any
kind of plotting, I would just say to like try,
just like you know there's so many videos out there,
especially if you're struggling.
If you're not struggling, why mess up something
that isn't broken, right?
But if you're having some struggles with it,
there's so many different forms of plotting,
there's so many different forms of outlining
or approaches, and some of them are like really general
and simple and you could do really quickly
and some of them like take forever,
like my process. (laughing)
So yeah, so I would just say that it's something,
especially to strengthen your idea
or understanding of story structure to study that
a little bit and even if you just have it in your head,
then that helps produce I think a stronger story
from the beginning.
- Thank you for joining us today in this discussion
of plotting a novel.
Thank you to Brittany Wang for joining.
Be sure to check out her video down below
so you can see her interview me on pantsing.
Which one is superior?
Let us know in the comments down below.
Give us your vote and say what you are
and which one you think is better.
Otherwise, that is it for today's video.
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