Welcome back to our channel Make Poland Great Again
we bust fake news about Poland;
with me in the Go Against the Tide TV studio are Marian Kowalski
- Good evening. - and Pastor Paweł Chojecki, good evening.
Good evening.
Today we will talk about Lech Wałęsa,
whether he is a hero or a traitor.
I also recommend our previous episode about the government reshuffle in Poland,
why the government was reshuffled
and what the dismissal of its best minister,
Defense Minister Antoni Macierewicz
means for Poland`s strategic alliance with the U.S.;
we think it weakens this alliance.
Today on our channel we, Polish patriots, will respond
to an article in the Wall Street Journal, slanderous to Poland,
which was handed out at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
The headline says: "Poland's New Nationalist Rulers Are Erasing Lech Walesa From History".
Let`s begin with the fundamental question:
Who is Lech Wałęsa?
The Institute of National Remembrance has established
that Lech Wałęsa was a Communist secret agent from December 1970,
code-named Bolek.
The surviving original documents include
his pledge to work for the Communist secret police,
acknowledgment letters for receipt of money,
and his denunciation reports.
All these are in the Personnel Files
of the secret agent code-named Bolek,
with genuine signatures of Lech Wałęsa.
At around that time, in December 1970,
Lech Wałęsa becomes one of the strike leaders
in the Gdańsk shipyard -
member of the strike committee,
and later on, as we know, becomes the legendary Solidarity leader.
We`ve known all that in Poland for years,
why doesn`t the world know about it?
People in the West typically
aren`t very conversant with Polish politics,
and Lech Wałęsa has been publicized
worldwide for more than 30 years.
His name is a kind of Poland`s export brand,
without regard to his actual political decisions
as Poland`s president,
and no matter which political forces backed him.
And, obviously, the fact that he won the Nobel Peace Prize plays a role.
That was at the time when the United States was one of the few countries
that opposed the imposition of martial law in Poland, meant to crush Solidarity.
At that time many European governments and the Canadian government
didn`t bother to impose any sanctions on Communist Poland,
only Ronald Reagan`s United States cared.
Personally, I was Lech Wałęsa`s supporter until June 4, 1992,
when Wałęsa as Polish president
toppled the first Polish anti-Communist government of Jan Olszewski.
And the reason why Lech Wałęsa orchestrated to overthrow,
at night,
the first anti –Communist government was...
a government elected in a free and democratic election…
In that government was also Antoni Macierewicz as interior minister.
This was when the parliament authorized Minister Macierewicz to reveal
the agents of Communist secret police
who were active in Polish politics at the time.
Some MPs were involved,
and it turned out Wałęsa himself was on the list of agents.
- Exactly - That is the President of Poland.
That`s right, Lech Wałęsa orchestrated the overthrow of the government
because it revealed Communist informants at Parliament`s request.
Another reason was that this government
proposed that Poland should join NATO.
The then Defense Minister Jan Parys,
who proposed that Poland should join NATO,
was earlier pushed out of the government.
President Lech Wałęsa was against withdrawing Russian troops from Poland.
And in the Russian bases
he wanted some kind of extraterritorial Russian-controlled business enterprises.
And that`s not all.
He had this idea that Russia should join NATO,
to form the so-called NATO 2, with everybody in it,
which would make NATO entirely pointless.
These were the policies of President Lech Wałęsa.
So this supposedly anti-Communist leader
pursued pro-Communist policies.
Well, to put it briefly, to say who Lech Wałęsa is,
Poles today know that Lech Wałęsa is
is one big Communist fraud.
To use today`s language,
he is fake news.
Poles realized it very early on,
and I will give you Wałęsa`s election results.
He wins his first presidential election with overwhelming support;
everybody thinks he is the savior of Poland. - This was in 1990.
He won over 70 percent of the vote,
and soon afterward he toppled the anti-Communist government,
supported the left wing at home,
and sided with Russia in international politics.
After that the Poles never trusted him again.
He lost his next presidential election,
and a political party he founded took only 6 percent of the vote in a general election.
-Below 6%. -Below 6%.
Poles realized Lech Wałęsa was a huge Communist fraud.
In 2000 he tries again....
Lech Wałęsa runs for president and takes one percent of the vote.
One percent. This shows those of you outside Poland
that Poles realized some 20 years ago who Wałęsa really was,
they realized Wałęsa betrayed the Polish cause,
served Communists and represented Russian interests in Poland.
Why did Communists use him?
Well, when Moscow lost the arms race with the U.S under Ronald Reagan,
Communists realized they needed to get rebranded.
And to succeed
they had to persuade the West that Communism was gone,
that Communism was no more,
and that there was a new Russia.
So the Solidarity movement revolution was
actually provoked by Communists,
and today we know
they pulled the strings from behind the scenes
and controlled the leader of that strike.
Well, according to the Wall Street Journal,
Wałęsa is "the most famous Polish dissident.
The revolution led by Mr. Wałęsa in 1989
opened the way to uniting most of Europe
under liberal democracy,
globalization and the expanding European Union."
Well, we know in Poland he was a Communist secret police agent,
but perhaps we can credit him with that
through this freedom revolution, we got rid of Communism
and it was a bloodless revolution.
Maybe we got rid of Communism, but we didn`t get rid of Communists
and their dominant position in the state and society.
Wałęsa was a famous face,
a kind of pop culture icon
with his moustache and a pin of the Virgin Mary in his lapel,
and with the 'Pope pen'.
He was like an advertising gadget.
But
the real decision-makers were more important.
For example, Leszek Balcerowicz,
who carried out economic reforms when Lech Wałęsa was President.
Well, Leszek Balcerowicz
was a Communist economist in the 1970s.
At the time when Communism
showed no clear signs of crisis in Poland,
he worked with a panel of Communist economists
who anticipated the bankruptcy of the system.
Until 1980 he was a Communist economist,
and in the summer of 1980,
when the Solidarity strikes began,
he immediately became economic advisor to the unionists.
Just like the Communist criminal Gen. Wojciech Jaruzelski
was the last president of Communist Poland
and the first president of the so called free Poland.
Over the entire 1980s,
when the Solidarity movement began, and then there was martial law,
and then Communist-ruled Poland couldn`t recover,
after Solidarity was crushed,
they realized the system was bankrupt,
so they devised a golden parachute for themselves.
Leszek Balcerowicz was the economic mastermind of the plan,
and Lech Wałęsa was the figurehead
to mislead the man on the street in Poland and elsewhere.
He got the Nobel Prize and was shown on Communist TV.
Back then there was just one Communist TV channel,
and I remember it once showed Lech Wałęsa coming out of a church
and some plainclothesmen were checking his ID card.
They were building his legend.
If I didn`t see him on TV,
I wouldn`t know who he was, since I lived in Lublin, not in Gdansk.
We owe Lech Wałęsa that we don`t have Communism anymore,
we have liberal democracy instead,
and the transition was bloodless,
that`s what the West is saying,
what would you say to that?
Obviously, that`s another lie that Poland got rid of Communism.
To see the difference
take Communist Germany,
the so-called GDR,
after the collapse of the Brezhnev-era Communism,
to be succeeded by the new Communism,
represented by Putin today.
Well, this Communist German republic
was merged with West Germany,
and what happened there?
A complete decommunization.
All the people who perpetrated Communist crimes,
or who collaborated with the Russian regime
were removed from public roles,
at universities, schools, the police,
administration, political parties, and also courts.
Judges are a good example.
When that Communist German republic
was merged with West Germany,
80 percent of German judges were kicked out
because they were Communists.
In Poland not even one judge was fired for Communism,
and the judges who were Communist criminals,
who sentenced real patriots and opposition activists,
to this day are either professionally active
or are retired with pensions many times higher
than what the average Pole gets.
They are even in the Supreme Court today.
That`s right. So to say today that Communists stopped ruling Poland is a lie,
and we are now struggling with the legacy of Lech Wałęsa.
He provided them with a smooth transition
from the system called Communism to what is now referred to as liberal democracy.
But in reality it`s a system effectively controlled
by Communists or their children.
Now, about Lech Wałęsa,
just to show you how much he suffered from Communists,
I`ll give you just one example.
When the Communist criminal Jaruzelski introduced martial law in Poland,
the opposition activists and patriots
were arrested and put in jails called internment camps.
Lech Wałęsa was also arrested,
but soon afterward was transferred to a luxurious hotel
for Communist officials in the Polish mountains,
in Arłamowo,
where he spent five months.
You will now see a slide showing
how much he drank with his many visitors in that period.
These are declassified secret police files
which demonstrate how badly persecuted Lech Wałęsa was.
Let me just read some items:
289 bottles of vodka, 239 bottles of champagne,
1,115 bottles of beer,
158 bottles of wine, and so on so on…
And all that in 150 days.
Right.
He was a bogus workers` leader,
cooked up by Communists,
and we believed it, thanks to the Catholic Church,
well, Marian mentioned these gadgets
he had a pin of the Virgin Mary in his lapel,
and a gigantic pen with the image of John Paul II.
We thought he was the real leader of free Poles.
Only later did we learn the truth.
I first heard about Lech Wałęsa
in 1980 when I started high school.
One of our teachers showed us some newspaper article
with Lech Wałęsa mentioned in it.
This was how I learned about Lech Wałęsa.
What`s interesting, when later on martial law was imposed,
that teacher was appointed military commissar,
which was above the principal.
Clearly, he was an agent provocateur.
He peddled the fake anti-Communist opposition leader.
Let me just tell our viewers here that at the time when Lech Walesa was partying with his guests,
drinking all that vodka, champagne, and brandy,
more than 100 people were killed by Communists in Poland during martial law.
Real patriots were being killed
when he and his Commie buddies were having their drinking spree in Arłamowo.
The real Polish patriots were beaten and kept in terrible prison conditions.
Over a hundred people were killed.
Let us remind that when Lech Wałęsa becomes a Communist conspirator in 1970,
during the December 1970 riots
Communists kill 45 people and wound nearly 1,200.
Indeed, it was a particularly disgraceful episode in his life.
Our viewers are probably not aware of what Communists did in 1970.
Every 10 years or so Communists provoked riots,
partly to let the people vent their frustrations,
and partly to induce leadership change.
So in 1970 party boss Gomulka was about to be replaced with comrade Gierek,
who was meant to be more pro-Western.
Food price hikes provoked riots in Gdansk and other cities in Poland,
and what Communists did was just heinous.
-The Communist state media announced… -The same media that promoted Lech Wałęsa...
I`m talking now about 1970, he was promoted in 1980 and 1981 and so on.
But in 1970, when Wałęsa became a secret police agent,
according to the files revealed by the Polish government,
the Communist media told the workers the riots were over
and that they should go back to work in the shipyard the next morning.
So the workers got on the commuter train to start work at 6 AM.
At the same time the Communist army deployed troops with machine guns by the shipyard`s gate,
and when the workers were getting off the commuter train they opened fire from machine guns and tanks.
Dozens of defenseless people were killed and a thousand or more wounded.
This was a massacre.
At exactly that time, during that slaughter, this man started to work for the Communist secret police.
The files have been made public.
Lech Wałęsa now denies that he was an agent of the Communist secret police,
but in 2011, on a TV show hosted by Monika Olejnik,
he was asked if he had worked for the secret police,
and he said that since everybody signed, he signed too,
but never played for the other side, he just outsmarted Communist this way.
Would you believe him?
We know Lech Wałęsa was paid for his work,
he also received perks, he admitted it himself,
he asked for an apartment and they gave him apartment.
He received substantial amounts of money; he claimed he won the lottery.
That`s how he explained it to his wife.
To win just once is rare, and to win again and again is virtually impossible.
We can see Lech Wałęsa could no longer flatly deny his work for the Communist secret police,
he now says it was a kind of game and he won that game.
And indeed, as a private individual he is the winner
but he was a planted false leader, and he is responsible for the fact
that the U.S. ally status of Poland isn`t yet clear.
When did the first American troops arrive in Poland?
-Last year. -Last year, when the government
with Antoni Macierewicz as defense minister was in power.
Lech Wałęsa refers to him as his greatest enemy.
He first pushed Antoni Macierewicz out of office in 1992,
and now a few weeks ago he was very happy Antoni Macierewicz was dismissed again.
Marian Kowalski just said Lech Wałęsa is the winner,
he is wealthy and he is famous, not in Poland,
but unfortunately he is still a legend around the world.
Did Poland benefit from Lech Wałęsa`s success?
No, Poland lost from it because no act of historical justice
took place in Poland after Communism,
the way it was done in Hitlerite Germany at the Nuremberg trial.
To a certain degree it cleansed Germany, not entirely of course,
but the new generations of Germans grew up with the awareness
that Hitlerism was genocide, a horrible crime;
major Hitlerite criminals were executed.
As for the Communist crimes, which were far greater than the Hitlerite crimes,
no Communist criminal was sentenced to even one day in prison.
Not one top Communist official paid for the sea of blood, for the backwardness of Poland.
This was on the one hand thanks to Lech Wałęsa
who ensured safe passage for Communists with no Nuremberg for them,
and on the other hand thanks to the Catholic bishops
who announced the policy of wiping the slate clean,
that we should forgive Communists because we are Christians.
So the bishops told us their lies,
and Lech Wałęsa told us his.
I mentioned Leszek Balcerowicz, the economist,
but there were also Communist intelligence officers like Marian Zacharski,
who spied in the United States in the 1970s,
or Andrzej Olechowski, also involved in espionage.
Marian Zacharski was one of the people in charge of the intelligence agency
which replaced the Communist secret service.
The man who spied for Communists in the United States
built the intelligence agency in the supposedly democratic Poland.
Andrzej Olechowski, who also spied in the West, was later the founder of Civic Platform.
He was Lech Wałęsa`s close confidant.
Wałęsa made him foreign minister, and later finance minister.
During Wałęsa`s presidency the people who had acted
against the United States and the West came to power,
and they were supposed to build a new democratic Poland.
According to the Institute of National Remembrance at least 24 people
fell victim to Lech Wałęsa`s denunciations.
They were persecuted and bullied by Communists.
This counters the supposedly benign role of Lech Wałęsa.
The role of this famous man was initially to eliminate competition -
the real workers` leaders, any independence movement leaders,
and then when he came to power
his task was to promote the kind of people I`ve just mentioned.
General Czeslaw Kiszczak and General Wojciech Jaruzelski,
both of them Communist criminals,
who were responsible for imposing martial law in Poland in 1981
did not spend even one day in jail in the so-called free Poland.
Let`s recall that more than 100 people were killed during martial law.
Pawel mentioned the conciliatory role of Catholic bishops
who made sure Communists didn`t get hurt in the process.
The Round Table deal was struck,
and it was the bishops who organized the negotiations.
Selected activists were invited, with Lech Wałęsa at the top of the list.
It`s interesting why the bishops were so eager to come to an agreement with Communists,
they are usually portrayed as… - Anti-Communists
As the only anti-Communist organization in Communist Poland.
The reason was that the Catholic Church is a hierarchical organization
and the head of the Catholic Church in Poland was Józef Glemp,
once the assistant of Primate Wyszyński.
Throughout the 1980s and into the 1990s he pursued a policy of appeasement;
he arranged the Round Table talks,
and before that Wałęsa's meetings with Wojciech Jaruzelski, the Russian viceroy in Poland.
Why was Józef Glemp appointed Primate of Poland,
head of the Church in Poland?
Because Pope John Paul II appointed him.
And why did that happen?
Because Lech Wałęsa asked him to do so
in a special letter he wrote to the pope
while he was in "jail" during martial law.
There are many threads in the story, including the Catholic Church.
We will show you some photos of the talks Communists
held with the so called opposition leaders and Catholic bishops,
first in the village of Magdalenka, and later at the Round Table.
Clearly, they loved their liquor.
Pastor Paweł Chojecki.
The reason why people in the West don`t know about Wałęsa`s treason
and the feigned fall of Communism in Poland
was that the media that now effectively controls
the flow of English language news from Poland
was founded at that hard-drinking round table.
Let`s show the editor-in-chief of Gazeta Wyborcza daily.
We can see the editor of Gazeta Wyborcza drinking with Communist criminals.
With Czesław Kiszczak.
Adam Michnik later became the editor of the daily
whose journalists now provide the West with the news from Poland.
He won`t tell you the truth about Wałęsa the agent because,
as you can see in the pictures, the two were good drinking buddies.
That`s why the public opinion in the West is virtually cut off from the real news from Poland.
What`s more, the Catholic bishops –
in other photos we can see them partying with them as well–
they were behind that deal with the Communists.
Will they tell you the truth about the man they advertised
as the super-Catholic man of the moment?
So the lies about Lech Wałęsa come from the Catholic Church
as well as from the Communist-designed media in Poland.
As recently as two years ago even the Polish ambassador to the U.S
peddled Lech Wałęsa as Polish patriot.
When Communists designed today`s Poland
they made sure that the Catholic leadership, journalists
and also diplomats were involved in a conspiracy of silence
about what really happened in Poland in 1981 and the real Lech Wałęsa.
I think we`ll come back to the Round Table and make a separate episode about it.
Just now the last question about Lech Wałęsa.
I think we can agree that we don`t have too many heroes
who are famous all over the world.
Perhaps we should leave Lech Wałęsa alone.
Well, okay, he worked for Communists, but at least he is globally recognizable.
Why is it so important for us, Polish patriots,
that the world should know the truth about Lech Wałęsa?
Why do we need to break this convenient myth?
I think all people deserve to know the truth.
Especially the people in the U.S. and in other countries
who don`t know too many details about Poland`s history,
or the region that has long been in the Russian or Soviet sphere of influence.
The truth about those people and their careers.
Lech Wałęsa was not chosen by the Polish people.
He was created by the Communist secret police, first as a union leader,
then as opposition leader, and then he was promoted by the media.
Without media backing you stood no chance of winning elections.
And there is another thing.
Many politicians had to give up their careers
because they got their reputations tarnished by scandals in their private lives or by some business issues.
But with Lech Wałęsa we have to realize
that at the time when he was lionized as a union leader,
he was by no means an exemplary husband and father of his many children.
Quite the contrary.
If we look at his children and grandchildren, who grew up in luxury,
we see very clearly it`s a dysfunctional family.
Take his son who is a European MP
or his daughter who used to be a celebrity
his family was marred by suicide and sex scandals;
his children caused traffic accidents with complete impunity.
It`s a dysfunctional and demoralized family.
Even though they lived a wealthy and privileged life.
Can this man pose as the conscience of the nation?
He couldn`t even raise decent children!
Why is it so important for Poland and its position in the world
to tell the truth about Lech Wałęsa and debunk this false myth?
Many people in Poland have been convinced that it`s better not to shatter this legend,
since the West thinks he was the leader of the Solidarity freedom movement
so we`d better leave it as it is.
Even Donald Tramp mentioned Lech Wałęsa in his speech in Poland.
Unfortunately he did, but if you watch it you`ll see he was booed for it.
The Poles whistled and booed when Wałęsa the traitor was mentioned.
It only shows what kind of fruit is borne by hiding the truth.
It is wrong to say: "let`s hide the truth for the sake of truth."
It will never work.
Jesus said that only the truth will set us free.
He said: (John 7:24) "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment."
We have to judge with right judgment.
We shouldn`t be thinking about political consequences but judge with right judgment.
The truth should have been told the Poles back then,
the truth should have been told the world.
Today, what we can see is happening in Davos shows
that the world`s media is using the Communist agent, code-named Bolek,
against Poland because 20 or 30 years ago we didn`t tell the world the truth about Wałęsa.
There are also real dramas of real people.
You mentioned his derailed family,
but there are also real Polish leaders who did not collaborate with the Communists,
who built civic awareness, who built patriotic awareness;
they fought against Communism.
One of them is the real strike leader in Gdańsk, Krzysztof Wyszkowski.
Last year you could watch a dramatic scene,
when he was invited to a TV show and talked about yet another lawsuit
he had just lost with Wałęsa.
He lost it because he was telling the truth about Wałęsa.
He showed plenty of evidence,
but Communist judges keep siding with Wałęsa.
And then this real hero of Polish Solidarity, Krzysztof Wyszkowski,
asked with breaking voice – he is old and sick -
"How many years more will I continue to be persecuted?
I was persecuted in the Communist era,
and how many years more will they be dragging me through the courts
and intimidating me with gigantic libel compensation claims
for telling the truth in Poland?"
It didn`t happen 30 years ago,
, it took place last year before millions of viewers
on the largest TV channel in Poland.
Thank you for watching us,
today we talked about Poland`s fake anti-Communist legend Lech Wałęsa
who was created by Communists.
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-Thank you -Thank you. And Pastor Paweł Chojecki
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We've been broadcasting since 2008 in Polish.
For the last two years, we've been transmitting live with thirty thousand viewers per day.
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We will expose fake news about Poland
We will tell you who is who in our country, and we will work hard to make Poland great again.
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One of the most popular online political commentators in Poland.
He is a fiercely anti-communist, patriotic conservative,
who ran for presidency in Poland in 2015.
All his life he has been fighting against political correctness.
He now opposes the idea of the New Silk Road,
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The founder and editor-in-chief of Go Against the Tide TV.
He is well known for combining the message of the Bible with patriotism politics and economy.
A reformer and a politician.
He is hated by those who hate the gospel of Jesus Christ
but he isn't bothered by that at all.
These two are an explosive blend.
This is the first project of this kind in Poland since the times of the Reformation in the 16th century.
We want to put Christianity back into politics.
Our motto is: "God, Honor, Fatherland"
I need to add here that they both supported Donald Trump and believed in his victory
despite the fact that almost noone in Poland believed in Donald Trump's success.
We believe that Donald Trump will make America great again
And with God's help we aim to make Poland great again too.
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