Here I'm gonna be responding to a recent publication entitled "Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist"
from a YouTuber who pretends to be a man in her daily life, but then comes out as a female-to-transexual
person under the anonymous online pseudonym Yorick.
For those who are still getting their heads around Tumblrite terminologies
surrounding the concentious debate about gender
which is war inbetween feminists and trans activists
Most of whom are claiming to be feminists themselves.
Women, especially lesbians,
tend to get branded as "TERFs" when we "misgender" self-identifying trans or nonbinary people
or when we acknowledge that male/female reproductive sex differences exist.
Transexuals who have asribed to Yorick's views
- that only transexuals can be transgender -
tend to be branded as #TRUSCUM.
Although these terms, TERF and TRUSCUM
are both just thinly-guised prejudicial slurs prominently used to misrepresent lesbians like myself,
or transexuals like Yorick being exclusionary heretics.
Third wave liberal feminists and queer and trans activists
fully embrace their usage within the alphabet soup community.
As well as many main stream liberal feminist publications including "Everyday Feminism"
"The Trans Advocate", "The Guardian", tons of them.
But for the purposes of this response video,
it's important to make a special note
that only the term "TERF", but not the term "TRUSCUM"
has been adopted in anti-feminist circles which is where Yorick kinda rolls.
I except by at the end of my response
to Yorick, it'll be pretty obvious to all just why that is.
Yorick: Today I wanna talk to you about TERFs.
That is, Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists.
Magdalen: It's really not necessary to know what radical feminism is
or even to be a feminist
to get branded with this slur.
Milo Yiannopoulos [prominent alt-right activist and antifeminist]: I mean, this is the problem with the trans project.
It's profoundly sexist, and homphobic by the way -
I'm convinced of this -
the trans project is profoundly homophobic.
A woman who has expressed Milo's view would be branded a TERF.
Yorick: For those of you who don't know,
this is a subgroup of radical feminism
characterized by the belief that transwomen aren't real women
and that there are only 2 genders.
Magdalen: Many women, including myself,
learn about radical feminism after being branded with this slur.
Yorick: Right off the bat, they don't seem too bad, I mean.
Transwomen technically aren't real women since they aren't biologically female
and there are indeed only 2 genders, so -
Magdalen: Pretty much any female who refuses to pretend men are women
especially unapologetic lesbians,
is gonna get branded with this slur.
Yorick: What is my problem with this group?
Magdalen: If you want to see common examples to show that is really
is used as a slur, check out Terf is a Slur [link in description] or just look at the hashtag TERF
you'll see that it's used in a highly derogatory way.
Yorick: To start off, we're gonna need to go back at little bit
because you see, TERFs played an important role
in the withdrawl of healthcare access for trans people.
Magdalen: This is a really disingenuous claim.
I'm gonna go into why in a minute.
Just to make that clear now.
Yorick: And it starts with a women named Dr. Janis Raymond.
(sound effect of thunder and an evil witch cackling)
Raymond is an American author and TERF, known for her work against the violence and sexual exploitation of women.
Magdalen: I don't think this is how Raymond identifies herself.
"Author and TERF."
Do you? That's a very leading statement.
Yorick: Also for her strong opposition to transgender people.
Magdalen: Really?
Yorick: In 1979, Raymond published a book called "The Transsexual Empire: The Making of the She-Male."
Magdalen: Worth reading this book, actually.
I mean, obviously, the language has changed.
We're not allowed to use the term "transsexual" anymore, we have to use "transgender"
to be more inclusive of people who identify as being a member of the opposite sex
and have no intention of undergoing any kind of surgery. I think it's quite interesting
that that book was written so long ago.
It seems to have been re-issued with a new introduction of "transgender."
Yorick: And it examines the role of transsexualism in reinforcing traditional gender stereotypes.
Magdalen: Well, it [transsexualism] doesn't exactly challenge sterotypes. For a man to say that he's living as a woman
just because he's wearing a dress and makeup, does it?
Yorick: It argues that transgenderism stems from the patriarchy.
Magdalen: I'm going to assume that you don't believe that there is any such thing as a patriarchy,
and so I'm just gonna give you the definition here.
Patriarchy: "A system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it."
So that's the definition.
So obviously, if we look at the Abrahamic faiths,
Judaism, Christianity and Islam, without question [they reinforce patriarchy].
So let's look at government.
As you can see from this map, the vast majority of countries,
including America, are predominantly governed by men.
Given that the trend for gender self-declaration is emerging in nations
where over 30% of women are represented and gender self-declaration has the potential
to scew data on parity between the sexes
A closer look at the handful of nations where over 40%
of women are represented, may well end up with less female representation.
Law is another area where there's great amount of influence
if you take a case to the highest court of the land,
which in the US is the Supreme Court and in the UK
is judicial review, depending on how the case goes,
that can set up legal precedents so it matters who's taking the decisions in those cases.
Women make up just 34% of the US legal profession.
This fraction goes down the higher up the professional ladder you go,
with just 27.1% of women occupying federal and state judgeships.
Now, you can count how many women are supreme court judges
and tell me if you think that's fair.
So let's look at STEM.
This graph shows that a fraction of women are underrepresented in undergraduate STEM studies
in the US and shows that women are greatly underrepresented in my field, which is physics.
As well as engineering. Women are also fractionally overrepresented in biology
but note that all fields show a downward trend over the past decade.
Now I don't know why there is this downward decline
that's what it's showing, so..
That's interesting in itself.
And according to the National Science Foundation, women comprise of just 28% of all
workers in science and engineering occupations in 2010.
That, of course, includes social sciences.
Which, you know, some might debate aren't sciences.
They're certaintly not as well paid.
And that's the only STEM area where women are slightly overrepresented
that's gonna skew the data, that we're given a little bit.
So in light on the facts, no rational person can reasonably deny
men being given a majority in these institutions hold power in them,
especially if we take a global behavorial model of society.
Arguably, it's possible to contend the question
of whether women choose to be ruled by men,
but either way the fact remains that women are excluded.
And this means that we live under patriarchy.
Whether you want to accept this reality or not.
We live under patriarchy.
Yorick: She says that this is done in order to "colonize feminist identification, culture, politics, and sexuality."
Magdalen: I'm not quite sure how you don't recognize that what she's described all those decades ago
is actually happening now.
Yorick: She even goes as far as to say that, quote: "All transsexuals rape women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropiating this body for themselves."
Magdalen: Obviously the term "rape" is quite triggering for antifeminists.
So, the reason why Yorick has chosen this quote is to strike up
emotive support for her position.
Although it's obvious to me and anyone with an ounce of common sense that
the term "rape" is not being used in the literal or legal sense in this sentence.
Personally, I wouldn't use the term "rape" in that sentence,
for that aformentioned reason that it's triggering to antifeminists and they sort of shut down and stop listening when they hear it.
I also wouldn't make a generalization by saying "all" anything.
Because when you say "all x to y", you're essentially making a prediction with absolute certainty
and that is not possible in science.
But that's just a bit of pedantry, I mean, what does quoting this achieve for Yorick?
It just seems obvious that she's trying to strike up anger towards
this person, and therefore everyone who's associated with this person
by going for the "feminists say all men are rapists" trope.
Yorick: They nearly cut off the most obvious means of "invading women"
so it may seem noninvasive.
Magdalen: What she's saying in this second part, which Yorick hasn't quoted -
"Rape, although it is usually done by force, can also be accomplished by deception."
In UK law, if someone [a trans person] has sex with a person without telling them [of their trans status] that'd be a rape or a sexual assault.
Depending on how it was done.
At the moment, trans activists are pushing to change to change that legislation
to loosen and relax the laws on rape.
Cause when you talk about rape culture you're talking about practices that make rape more likely.
Yorick: "Because transsexuals have lost their physical 'members' does not mean that they have lost their ability to penetrate women -"
"women's mind, women's space, women's sexuality."
Magdalen: I really don't get why you're being sarcastic.
Have you actually heard the crap that liberal feminists are coming out with?
What she's predicted in 1979 is unfolding now.
Yorick: Basically, she hates trans women.
Magdalen: So you're claiming that she hates trans women because she recognizes they are not actually women
And therefore, doesn't want them to be in women's space?
That's what your argument is, which is exactly the same as liberal feminists.
And it's nonsense, because there's plenty of situations where you wouldn't want
to be around a member of the opposite sex.
Yorick: Most TERFs completely ignore the existence of trans men, but we'll come back to that.
Magdalen: I can't wait.
Yorick: She hates trans women.
Magdalen: A bit of repetition in there, just in case you weren't convinced.
Yorick: Because she thinks all men are rapists, and thus trans women are all rapists who are
pretending to be female in order to up their chances at decieving some poor lassy into bed.
Magdalen: I can't speak for Raymond, I have no idea what she thinks.
But those quotes did not say that.
So you just get to paraphrase people and put intent into their words
that isn't actually there.
Yorick: As fucking hilarious and delusional as Raymond and her book are,
Magdalen: This coming from someone who believes that they've become a man.
Radio host: They want to be a man.
Milo: But they're not a man!
Radio host: But they want to be one.
Milo: Tough. You're not a man!
Yorick: That's not why she's a cunt, you see.
Magdalen: Terming women as "cunt" kinda betrays your attitude.
Yorick: The National Center for Heath Care Technology used to inform the US government
on what was and was not medically effective.
And they asked this prominent TERF, Dr. Raymond.
Magdalen: "Prominent TERF."
(thunder and witch cackling)
Yorick: to write up her position of the effectiveness of trans medical care.
And Raymond called her paper "The Technology on the Social and Ethical Aspects of Transsexual Surgery."
Magdalen: A bunch of people and organizations were commisioned to
submit peer-reviewed research for the NCHCT report.
I don't think they were relying soley on Janice Raymond's opinion.
Yorick: This paper asserted that trans medical care was unethical and uneffective.
And declared that legislation should be put in place to completely block trans medical care.
Magdalen: Where's your source?
Because the paper that Janice Raymond submitted was not published.
The only quote published was the following:
"Some have held that it would be preferable to modify society's sex role expectations of men and women than to modify either the body or the mind of individuals to fit these expectations."
That was the only quote by Janice Raymond that was used.
Yorick: And instead suggested that trans people seek out counseling therapy.
Magdalen: What you're referring to now are the findings of the NCHCT's published report on a comphrensive
consultation they performed.
It's academically dishonest for you to be presenting that report as Raymond's work when it's not Raymond's work.
Yorick: The US government had acknowledged medical care for trans people.
Magdalen: You're trying to imply that trans people were denied something which the rest of the American population was able to access.
Yorick: -as necessary prior to Raymond's paper.
Magdalen: Where is the evidence to support this claim?
The science at that time could not reliably and reproducively
show that sex-reassignment surgery was beneficial.
Which, by the way, is still the case today.
Yorick: Thanks to the paper, the government reversed this position in 1981.
Magdalen: Your attribution to Raymond for this decision is false.
The NCHCT evaluated the evidence available to them
and presented their conclusions to the US government, who responded accordingly.
The NCHCT concluded that transsexual surgery should be considered experimental.
What this means is that there was not sufficient evidence at that time to demonstrate that the benefits
of providing sex-reassignment surgery out weighed the health risks.
Yorick: Trans people in America had their access to medically-necessary health care completely removed.
Magdalen: In your opinion it's medically necessary.
The NCHCT did not agree with your opinion.
And even today, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services that there is not sufficient evidence to
justify coverage for gender reassignment surgery.
They have chosen not to issue national coverage determination.
So you can try to blame Janice Raymond, but it hasn't changed.
Radical feminists simply do not have the level of influence within science and government that you're crediting them with.
Yorick: According to Dr. Raymond in her book,
"Transgenderism should be morally mandated out of existence."
Magdalen: Now I'm not gonna speak for Janice Raymond, she's written an explanation on her webpage
of what this says herself, so I'm just gonna quote her on that:
"What this means is that I want to eliminate the medical and social systems that support transsexualism and the reasons why in a gender-defined society,"
"persons find it necessary to change their bodies. Nowhere do I say 'transsexuals should be eradicated on moral grounds.'"
"And the words of those who echo this falsehood, has overtones of ethnic cleansing,"
"and make it sound like I want to eliminate transgenered persons from the face of the earth."
She's not talking about the individual people, she's talking about the phenomenon of transsexualism itself.
So that people don't have to feel like they need to have surgery, which, to me,
doesn't sound like hate. It actually sounds like she cares about those people and wants them to actually be supported.
Yorick: Other TERF writers have gone on to say things like transgender reassignment surgery is a "savage mutilation"
and if it were taking place in any other culture outside of our own, we would see it as such.
We would see it as a harmful cultural practice.
Magdalen: So now you're trying to pass of a quote from former Tory MP, Lord Normand Tebbit, as being a quote from a radical feminist?
When he's male and a conservative, I suppose that must mean you expect
us to believe that he hates trans women because he hates men as well, then?
Or maybe if you say it often enough, people might start to believe Milo's a man-hating radical feminist.
Milo: I very firmly believe that we will look back at this period in time
like we do now on Victorian electroshock therapy
and wonder how we could ever been so monstorously callous.
Just to allow these people who have mental illnesses to mutilate their bodies.
Yorick: Or refer to trans people as "Frankenstein."
Magdalen: Well, at least Mary Daly is a radical feminist, even if you are relying on a dodgy secondary source you probably haven't cited.
Yorick: Saying that "transsexualism is an example of male surgical siring."
Magdalen: Given that your claims so far has shown to be completely fabricated or simply gross distortions of the facts,
I'll be taking this one with a pinch of salt, if you don't mind.
What I'm more interested to know is why you're okay with antifeminist men openly mocking trans women.
(radio host making unitelligable noises) Milo: Stop it.
Radio host: It's like they're struggling with their face to try to make sounds with his mouth.
Or her mouth, whatever, look at this.
(Milo laughing in the background)
Milo: He looks quite good in the dress, frankly, but -
Radio host: What is that?
Milo: This is an insane person.
This is a person whose mind, he may need therapy and -
Magdalen: And yet you're so fixated on something a bit mean sounding
that a women may not have said several decades ago.
Cause that's not very reasonable.
Yorick: "...which seeks to invade the female world with substitutes."
Magdalen: You're just going off on one now, mate.
Yorick: [She] cannot think of a world without making females the center of it.
Magdalen: Feminists are interested in women's issues.
Yorick: They can't seem the idea that people will do things that wouldn't necessarily lead to rape.
Magdalen: Show me your case against women knowing that men are men and women are women.
Yorick: What's clear is that TERFs, like any other branch of third-wave radical feminism,
Magdalen: Radical feminism was a 2nd-wave movement.
Which is why 3rd-wave feminists no-platform radical feminists and censor them.
Yorick: Simply hate men.
Magdalen: I hear a lot of hate in your voice.
Yorick: They fucking hate them!
Magdalen: See that, there's more of it.
Yorick: And the only real difference between TERFs and tumblr feminists
Magdalen: You just sound angry.
Yorick: - is that TERFs specifically target trans women.
Magdalen: The only difference between you and a tumblr feminist is that they would call you "truscum."
But pretty much everything else you've got in common with them..
You both hate the same group of feminists.
Yorick: -while conveniently ignoring trans men for some reason.
Magdalen: I think they just see trans men are female.
So, it's like saying they ignore women... they obviously don't.
Yorick: Maybe because the existence of trans men completely debunks the idea that people only transition to sneak into women's bathrooms
and locker rooms with the intent to rape you.
Magdalen: If anything, the fact that your less noisy and demanding voice in a trans activist movement
only further proves that trans women are benefiting from male socialization.
Female trans men are centering the concerns of male trans women.
We're not seeing trans men accusing gay men of transphobia for not sleeping with them.
Why do you think we are seeing trans women doing that to lesbians?
Yorick: TERFs also like to piss on about the patriarchy, of course they do.
While dismissing any and all evidence that contradicts their assertions.
Magdalen: This big red feminist, this liberal feminist [depicted in Yorick's picture] uses terms like "cis" which I reject.
This is the sort of person that would call me a TERF, so I think it's really really dishonest
to use that popular meme, Big Red, to try to further your hateful cause.
Yorick: They conveniently ignore the facts, like -
Magdalen: What facts?
Yorick: The US Interagency on Homelessness estimates that of the chronically homeless 75% are male.
Magdalen: When feminists don't talk about men's issues
it's not because they're "ignoring the facts."
It's because they're interested in women's issues.
The clue is in the name.
Yorick: One third of those are veterans. And 97% of homeless vets are male.
Magdalen: Can you show me any evidence to suggest that men are more prone to poverty than women are?
Cause the obvious explanation for why there are more homeless men than there are homeless women
is that homeless women get picked up and pimped up and put in brothels.
Which is why feminists tend to focus on solving the issue of prostitution.
It's not because they don't care about homeless men,
it's an important issue. But it's not a feminist one.
Yorick: Or the fact that there a more women in education than men.
Magdalen: Are there really? Where? How come two thirds of the 774 million illiterate are female, then?
Yorick: So for the first time since the Census Bureau began collecting data from higher education attainment
Magdalen: Why are you making an generalization about education when you're referring to higher education in a specific country?
Which you haven't actually named.
What country are you even talking about?
Yorick: "Women are more likely to have a bachelor's degree than men."
Magdalen: So what? Assuming you're talking about the UK,
and if the US is anything like the UK,
anybody can get a degree in any old nonsense these days.
I'm just wondering what you think you're showing about women's place in wider society here.
In the US, women who are [college] graduates, earn nearly HALF of what men earn.
There might be more women graduates there, but it's still not being reflected in their salaries.
Yorick: Or what about all the studies that show that men are a grave risk in the workplace?
Magdalen: Again, men's issues. Nobody's denying this fact.
Why aren't men focusing on these issues?
Yorick: According to an analysis of official HSE data, between the years 2009 and 2014,
male worker within the UK had over 20 times higher fatality rates compared to females.
Magdalen: Where are the men? Why is it on the women to prioritize these issues for them?
Yorick: And this comes despite the fact the workplace ratio between men and women is relatively equal, with 47% of the UK workforce made up of women.
Magdalen: It's almost like you just don't know what feminism is.
Yorick: Or how about the fact that while women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted -
Magdalen: Yeah, they are!
Yorick: Men are far more likely to be MURDERED.
Magdalen: By who? Other men!
It's really not that feminists don't recognize that men are victims of male violence too,
it's that male violence against men is not a feminist issue.
It's a men's issue, since men are the victims as well as the perpetrators in those cases.
Men being violent to women is a women's issue.
Which is why feminists focus on that.
This is really not something that should need to be explained.
This whole argument that you're making is a complete straw men
cause it relies on the assumption that women are responsible for male violence.
Women are more likely to get murdered by a male sexual partner or ex-partner
than in any other scenario.
That's why solving the problem of domestic violence against women
is a big area of focus for feminists.
Given that men are significantly more likely to be murdered by other men,
and significantly less likely to be murdered by a female sexual partner or ex-partner,
you'd think that the men's right movement would focus on the former issue, wouldn't you?
Why not criticise the people who are actually responsible for ignoring male violence against men?
The men's rights movement. Instead of blaming feminists,
for being more concerned about the impact of male violence has on women.
Yorick: Or the large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution, averaging over 60%.
"Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges entirely."
"And are twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted."
Magdalen: There seems to be only one study which supports the claim that you're making.
And it was a study done on the justice system in the US, which holds 25% of the world's prison population.
Where 93.3% of those inmates are male.
Assuming the results of that study are reliable and reproducible,
let's consider the key difference the US and the rest of the west.
That is, the majority of American states permit the contracting of prison labor by private corporations.
Which obviously incentivises the incarceration of young, physically healthy males, especially given that men are
already significantly more to be caught breaking the law than women from the outset.
Yorick: Men are far more likely to go to prison than women for the same crimes.
Magdalen: Women are in a much weaker position to challenge the capitalist class system
under patriarchy, and feminists, being feminists,
are already busy trying to change that.
So if you do truly want to solve this problem for men in the US,
I'd advise you to take the issue up with other men who are profiting from their exploitation
at the expense of tax payer subsidies.
This really is not a feminist issue.
I can't emphasise that enough.
Yorick: If we are living in a patriarchy,
we're doing a really shite job at it, aren't we?
Magdalen: I think this might just be the first honest and true statement you have made in your entire presentation.
We are doing a shite job at it.
In case you haven't noticed, we're constantly at war.
How about actually listening to feminists instead of trying to brand them "TERFS", "witches",
and "man-haters"?
Yorick: So it's pretty obvious at this point that radical feminists like ignoring facts.
Magdalen: The only thing that's obvious here is you like twisting facts,
setting up straw men arguments, and smearing people who disagree with you.
By people, I mean women.
Because the slur "TERF" refers to women. Men who express a similar opinion do not, on the whole, tend to get branded with this slur.
Milo: She's had all the surgery, all the hormones, living as a women, can almost "pass"
....Nobody. Believes. It's. A. Women.
Magdalen: And Milo's right. But the difference is that Milo gets to say that stuff, and women don't.
Yorick: And their trans-exclusionary counterparts are no different.
They claim that trans women are just men in drag who are trying to infiltrate female spaces to assault and rape real women, right?
Magdalen: What women are saying is that men are not women.
Stop trying to twist reality.
Yorick: Well, I find to try and find evidence for this.
For this video. I couldn't find a single story
of a trans women who, after going through medical transition,
went on to raping.
Magdalen: Nowadays, most crimes which are perpetrated by trans women
whether it's pre or post operative, are reported as if they are crimes done by women.
The idea that you would be able to easily research this by googling is just another way of manipulating things to suit your narrative.
The fact is, whilst there's some evidence to show that castration might decrease the likelihood a sexual offender will reoffend,
this is still a widely contencious question with a lot of variables.
And the fact is, that in the UK, a gender recognition certificate can be obtained without having undergone bottom surgery.
Moreover, trans activists are lobbying across the western world
for a legislative model which has already been adopted in Argentina
and that model permits gender self-declaration, without medical consultation.
Thus allowing men, whether or not they have undergone surgery,
and whether or not they are taking hormones,
to declare themselves to be women and enter female sex-segregated spaces.
Such as prisons, changing rooms, and even support groups of male sexual violence.
Dr. James Barrett, president of the British Association of Gender Identity Specialists,
submitted a response to a recent consultation by the UK government on legislation concerning transgender people.
He had this to say about transgender prison inmates:
"The converse is the ever-increasing tide of referrals of patients in prison serving long or indeterminate sentences for serious sexual offences."
"These vastly outnumber the number of prisoners incarcerated for more ordinary, non-sexual offences."
"It has been rather naively suggested that nobody would seek to pretend transsexual status in prison if this were not actually the case."
"There are, to those of us who actually interview the prisoners, in fact very many reasons why people might pretend this."
Yorick: Do you know what I did find?
"Transgender woman raped in Orleans Parish jail with guard absent for over an hour."
Magdalen: Who raped him? Was it another man?
Yeah, it was another man.
Yorick: "Trans women raped and burned to death in Turkey."
Magdalen: Who raped him and burnt him to death?
Was it a man?
Yorick: "Transgender woman 'raped 2,000 times in all-male prison".
Magdalen: Men do get raped in prison by other men.
This does happen. Men raped this trans women.
Yorick: "Transgender Woman Raped in Stonewall Inn Bathroom."
Magdalen: A man raped that trans women.
Yorick: "Two transwomen raped".
Magdalen: Men raped them.
Yorick: Transwoman raped -
Magdalen: By a man!
Yorick: Trans women raped -
Magdalen: Men will continue to rape other men until something is done to address the fact that men rape.
Which is something, by the way, that feminists are trying to resolve.
How are these so-called "TERFs" responsible for these rapes?
Yorick: - but hate.Trans women are all just deevy predators, right?
Magdalen: No. But they are male.
And the fact is that male people are significantly more likely
to commit a sexual offence than female people.
Facts don't care about your feelings, mate.
And that is the fact.
Yorick: So, TERFs, keep doing your thing.
Exclude trans women all you want from your little cult or community or whatever you want to call it.
Magdalen: I'd call it "the women's movement."
Women's spaces.
And lesbianism.
None of those things are cults.
So, just, you know, calm down.
It's not unreasonable for women to want space away from men.
Yorick: Because the truth is, any self-respecting trans women would never want to join you in the first place.
Magdalen: There are some male trans women, unfortunately in the minority,
who do have respect for the fact that women need space.
And so in that sense, yeah, self-respecting trans women wouldn't want to intrude.
Yorick: But, funnily enough,
I don't agree with a lot of the abuse that TERFs get.
Magdalen: Oh, isn't that big of you?
Yorick: For example, Germaine Greer, like all of us, has a right to her opinions and as most people by this point already know,
after voicing her opinion that trans women are not real women,
she has subject to an apalling of abuse. Ironically, mostly from other feminists who accused her of being a transphobe.
Magdalen: I've seen the conversations in the NUS LGBT Facebook group
before I got banned from it, being branded a "TERF."
The no-platform campaign to censor Germaine Greer
was started by a few gay men and trans women.
And then passed on to the women's officer of Bristol University
who just did what she was told.
Like the figurehead that she was.
And Germaine Greer herself has made very plain that
the rape and death threats came from trans activists, not feminists.
So, this is another distortion of the truth.
Yorick: I was one of the people who felt a need to defend Greer.
Not because I agree with or support her views,
but because I support and will defend her right to freedom of speech.
Magdalen: When you use this term [TERF], you side with people
who silence women, so stop pretending to be on the side of free speech.
Yorick: And I extend the exact same courtesy to all radical feminists, including TERFs, as long as they don't attempt
to take from trans people their right to transition.
Magdalen: Firstly, freedom of speech doesn't have conditions like that in it.
You either support it or you don't.
Secondly, you've got one example of someone supposedly trying to do that,
and it's fabricated.
And there's no evidence to support your claim otherwise.
Thirdly, most feminists are too busy trying to defend women's rights
from this assualt that the trans activists launching,
and children's rights too.
What you're claiming is a straw man. It's not happening.
Nobody is campaigning to stop adults from transitioning.
Really, your whole straw man is just a way of justifying your desire
to silence this group of people
Yorick: I don't, however, approve of feminists who attack theirr own and send death threats to people.
Magdalen: I've received death threats.
Yorick: For example, like Erin Pizzey, because she had the audacity
to say that men can be victims of domestic violence as well.
Magdalen: Uh, a fine example issue with men calling themselves feminists.
They do stupid things like this. Every rule has an exception, but I can almost guarantee that
those death threats came from men.
Yorick: Because when you strip away all the bullshit,
third-wave radical feminists -
Magdalen: Radical feminism is a form of feminism from the second wave.
Yorick: Whether they exclude or support trans people,
are really just a bunch of angry, hateful people who cling onto their imaginary victimhood like a fucking lifeline.
Magdalen: I really think you're projecting here, because you are angry, and you are clinging onto your imaginary victimhood.
Yorick: So go ahead, TERFs.
Prove to me that the patriarchy exists.
Magdalen: I think you should prove to me that it doesn't,
because you just sound like a conspiracy theorist, to be honest.
Yorick: Show me the evidence that trans women are all just deviant threats that want to rape you.
Magdalen: No. Because I haven't made that claim.
Yorick: Tell me that your trans-exclusionary movement has the best of intentions in mind,
because from where I'm sitting,
you just look like a man-hating, trans women-hating, fact-twisting cult.
Magdalen: From where I'm sitting,
you just look like a liar who doesn't care who the trans lobby hurts
as long as your precious identity gets validated.
Can't respect that. I hope that you don't go anywhere near research,
cause you're a disgrace. Stop lying.
Put your identity aside,
and wake up to what the trans lobby are doing and what it has the potential to mean for the future.
When you've got legislation that is protecting someone' subjective sense of their identity,
you pretty much can brand anything hate speech.
What happens when having money becomes a protected characteristic?
And it becomes hate speech to criticise the rich?
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