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Are you still breastfeeding?
How long would you say it's normal to breastfeed?
Wow, haha
Maybe six, seven months. Yeah, something like that
Uh, about three..no...two. About two, three years?
Yes, just as long as possible
Do you mean little kids? Yeah
Uh.. maybe one and half to two years.
How long would you say it's normal to breastfeed?
Uhm...I'd say on average like 6 months maybe?
Six months to a year or something? Yeah, about that. Yeah.
I would say a year. A year?
I should know this I'm a woman. Haha
Ah, I know it starts to get very creepy around four or five years old
I think the normal would be about a year? A year?
How old are you guys? 12 going on 13
Are you still breastfeeding? NO! Yes! Kidding, haha
No. Hahah.
No. I don't think so. How old are you? I'm 64 years old. Ok
Would you say that you are still breastfeeding? Oh, no. Hahah
Do you drink milk or consume milk products?
Nah. Little. Little? Yeah, just a bit.
Yes. Yes.
No. Are you vegan or? No no.
Why don't you consume milk? I just think they taste bad. Yea ok.
I eat cheese and whipped cream maybe, but generally I don't consume milk products
Do you drink or consume any dairy? Some, but not very much
Ehm. Yes.
I drink, like, animal milk yeah. Yeah? Like cowsmilk
Would you say that if you drink milk and have milk products that you're breastfeeding, just from another animal?
Yes.
Yes. No. No? Nah, it depends. I drink it from the carton not...
I drink it straight from the cow, haha.
Cheese and cream are milk products...Would you say that if you eat that you are breastfeeding from another animal?
No, not really. You can't say that because there's been chemical changes in it since it came from the udders.
But it comes from the udders? Yes, it does.
Would you say that you're then breastfeeding from a cow? Yes.
We don't call udders breasts...
Oh, ok. So, you're udder feeding?
Ok. When I eat skyr or something I'm not thinking to myself, like...
oooh..straight from the udder, you know, just like my mothers'...
Do you consider that normal? No.
Are you then on your way to giving it up...? Yes. She's vegan and we're vegetarians but we're giving it up soon
You're on your way to becoming vegan? Yes. Ok, brilliant.
Do you think it's weird to still be breastfeeding...
...from another animal species?
Yes. It's very unique. It depends...it depends.
I mean, who would you think: "I'm going to drink milk from this animal"
You don't really think much about it...
Is there any other animal in nature that does this; drinks milk from another species?
Yea haha. Really? I haven't seen anything? I don't know.
You don't see a chimpanzee drinking milk from a cow, do you? Nah...
Don't you think it's a bit weird to, like, consume dairy and be breastfeeding from another animal?
Yes. I mean, I'm trying to cut dairy out. Yo, why's that?
Well, I'd like to go vegan eventually for the planet, haha. Sweet, sweet.
We're on the same side, aye! Yeah! Haha
I think it's, uhm, I mean the dairy industry is very bad environmentally, so...
So, that's why? Yeah, I try and drink more, now I'm trying to...
I still like cheese, milk and butter. Yeah it's hard to give up cheese right?
Yeah. But, uhm. I mostly drink hazelnut milk and almond milk
Why do you think the cow produces milk? Why? Wow, I've no idea.
Is it for the calf? Very likely. Nah, but she produces milk the whole year.
Yes, for the calf? Yes, partly.
...and we take the calf away so we can drink the milk? Do you think that's normal?
No, naturally the calf should get it. It's for him.
So, we shouldn't be drinking milk from cows?
Well, it's ok as long as she doesn't have a calf.
But, for her to produce milk she needs to be pregnant and then give birth to a calf
Yes, she needs to. But, then she milks a bit extra after that
Yea... for example, these milking cows aren't constantly giving birth to calves
Aren't they? No, no.
They usually give birth during spring, then they milk throughout the whole year.
Like humans when they have children? Nah, maybe not just like humans, but...
A tad bit different? Yes, quite different I'd say.
But, don't we have men artificially inseminating regularly to make the cow pregnant?
Yeah, yeah. But, they also do that in the human world.
Yes. But we're exploiting the cow?
Yeah, yeah. But, naturally, we don't do that in the human world?
No, no. But, they always say the animals were put here for us to eat them.
Do you think so? Yes, well I think meat tastes good. I'm not considering giving it up.
Do you think it justifies doing it just because everybody else is doing it?
But, what's wrong with doing it (consuming milk products)?
Eh, you have to exploit the cow. For a cow to make milk she has to give birth to a calf.
...and we take the calf away so that we can consume her milk.
Do you think that's good or bad? I think it's bad. Yes.
Knowing this, would you consider changing? Maybe drink soy or oat milk?
Yeah. I often drink that. Do you like it? Yes
Would you say that your taste buds are more important than an animal's life?
Hm, yes/no. Like I said. The animals were...they've always been around to eat
Animals in agriculture? Yes, they've always been around.
Always? Well, certainly for a very very long time.
Do you think that just because we've been doing something for a long time, do you think that justifies...?
No no, it doesn't. I'm not trying to justify it. I'm just saying that's how things are.
Would you say it's good or bad?
It probably has some positive results. But, there's also many bad things about it.
Yeah. What is bad about it?
How they raise animals on a large scale indoors. We (Iceland) still don't do that.
Would you say that, like, culture should dictate what's morally right?
Well, I think it does, by some norm. Yeah. I think, whether or not it should, it does.
What I'm trying to say is, like
Slavery was once culturally accepted and obviously we think that's horribly wrong, right?
So, we don't really think culture should dictate morality.
Eh, what I'm trying to get at is, in the dairy industry we treat animals really cruelly
We, like, forcibly impregnate dairy cows and take their calves away...
...just so we can consume their milk when we don't really have to. What do you guys think about that?
I actually, I do think about this quite often.
Uhm, because I'm basically vegan except I've not yet been able to sustainably live without youghurt
I'm just like addicted to youghurt. Haha.
So, in every other capacity I am vegan. Yea, and it's a point that I return to quite often.
and I'm still grappling with...
Why would you say that you're going towards being vegan?
Uh, I stopped eating meat when I was 10, I think. I just sort of put two and two together.
Where what was on the plate what coming from, and I think it was, I just got grossed out to be honest.
...to begin with. Then over time my taste for animal products has just decreased
Like, the less of it I eat, the less I want to eat, and now I can't even fathom...
So, you just connected with cruelty basically? Yeah
You don't have a problem with cows being raised and their calves taken away for us to drink their milk?
My grandpa was a farmer in Wisconsin. No, I have no problem with that.
So if we could live happily and healthfully without eating animal products would you say that's the way we should go?
We can do that. Yeah. I mean, I think it is very possible.
and it's more a matter of, you know, taste or pleasure or convenience or...
So you don't think those things are more important than an animals life then?
Ehm, I mean, I'm very sympathetic to the lives of animals
Why did you decide to go vegan? For the ANIMALS! and the environment, yeah.
...and for your health? Yes. More normal too. Haha.
So, you're against animal cruelty? Yes, very.
You're Icelandic? Yep.
Because I've. Ok, so I've actually done some research or searching. I'm half Icelandic, was raised in the US and,
The food industry in the United States is just, I mean, very troubling. Yeah.
The impression that I've gotten is that in Iceland animals are treated much more humanely
and, for instance, like the use of hormones in milk products or something
Definitely, I think it's less like hormones being injected into like cows and stuff here
But, we still treat animals as a product.
We still have like pigfarms where they're just crammed in there, like pigs, mother pigs lay on their side, can't move
And it's just horrible conditions and...
Basically, we're just treating animals like product here just like they do in the US
It's just on a much smaller scale but it's very similar to like anywhere I've seen
So yeah, but what you see like pictures of is maybe happy cows roaming around and...
and sheep, they definitely get to roam around here, but still at the end of the day we slit their throats when we don't really need to
I think that's cruel. I don't know about you guys, but yeah I think that's pretty cruel.
Yeah. What do you guys think about that?
Yeah, I...I think the way that like an industry has formed around it is really interesting and its, like
It's like pretty gross, the whole thing, uhm
It has made me lessen the amount of meat I eat and stuff, because I'm also aware of like the stuff they're putting in meat
And the whole industry is just to raise animals to then slaughter them. Yeah.
So I definitely think about it.
You don't like being cruel to animals when you don't have to, right? Yeah.
Most people would say that. Yeah. And I think most people are vegan in their heart <3
Like, I would say that. It sounds cheesy but it's, I think it's true. Yeah.
The last thing that I'll just say is, it's kind of a out of sight, out of mind type thing.
If a person was forced to see the cow or the sheep or the chicken or whatever it is...
...either abused or killed in front of them or something
It's very different from just walking into a grocery store and buying something that you can just sort of...
...forget where it came from.
Yeah. I think most people would probably stop me if I had a pig here and I would just slit its throat right in front of them.
People would like think I'm crazy. Yeah.
But...Don't do that! ...then they go and buy ribs somewhere else, right?
Man, I'm always running into vegans when conducting these interviews! Haha
Absolutely brilliant. But, good luck and thank you for the interview!
Yeah, thanks also.
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