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This is Couples Court With The Cutlers.
This is the case of Nickerson v. Nickerson.
You all met when you were in middle school. Is that right?
Yes, Sir.
Yes, Your Honor.
All right, you've been married for three years.
Uh, you were separated but you've been back together now
for the last year.
Yes, Your Honor.
Yes.
All right, Mr. Nickerson, why have you brought your wife to Couples Court?
To find out if my wife have an affair with another man
or giving my time to someone else.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
JUDGE KEITH: Okay.
JERALD: First off, Your Honor,
since we've been back together for the past last year,
she'd been having private calls,
phone been on priority mode,
and a lot of things just ain't seem right.
So for the last year, just... Something's just not right.
JERALD: Yes, Your Honor.
You think she is cheating.
Or conversating with somebody, giving my time to somebody else.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
JUDGE KEITH: Okay.
It don't make me feel good at all, Your Honor.
APRIL: How am I giving my time to somebody else, Your Honor?
I have seven children at home. I work a job. I work a eight-to-three shift.
And when I come home, I have food cooked for him.
I have the children in order.
I have food on the stove for them also.
They're also fed, ready for bath, ready for, you know, family time.
So how do I have enough time to do anything?
So since you've been back together,
you have been covering all those bases?
I've been covering everything.
Sometimes, the bills, too.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMS)
All right, so she gets the title "Super Woman".
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS, APPLAUDS)
Excuse me, Your Honor.
But I have a question.
If it's all that, why her phone is set on priority mode?
From the time you get home from work till it's time for you to go to work.
Excuse me, Your Honor, I have dropped my phone,
I don't know how many times, and that phone have a mind of its own.
Couple days ago, we sittin' on the couch. I stayed up a little later.
Two private calls come through.
You said you don't know who it is.
But somebody constantly calling your phone private.
What time of day did those calls take place?
It was like 12 or something at night,
and usually, I'm sleeping.
So I'm wondering, if I'm sleeping,
she conversating with somebody, wanna meet somebody.
I don't know.
So who's calling you at midnight?
APRIL: I have no idea.
I don't know who that is.
So all of this is causing you to have some concerns about what your wife is doing.
Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE KEITH: And this has really put your marriage on the line?
Yes, sir, it do.
JUDGE KEITH: I can see that these priority calls are really bothering you.
Was there a time in your relationship
when you felt you were the priority?
When we first... when we first got married,
'Cause I'mma be truthful, Your Honor, she proposed to me.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
JUDGES: All right.
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
And made me feel like I was the priority there,
'cause I had never had a woman propose to me like that
or do the things she was doing.
In the relationship where I came from,
I was tired of being hurt, so...
And I guess I do, I will.
Aww.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
JUDGE DANA: So tell me about this.
So what made you decide to make that move?
We got together, when I seen him, you know.
I told my friends, I was like, "That's gonna be my husband."
I used to say to them, I was like, "That's gonna be my husband."
"That's gonna be my husband." And when we first met,
he was coming home from football practice,
I was walking to go and meet my little cousin at her school.
And I seen him, he was with his shirt off.
Then I was like...
I say, "Girl, who is that?"
She said, "Oh, that's my bro."
I said, "Oh, good, he ain't your man."
Go tell him I say "Hey."
"Hey." You know.
Well, Mr. Cutler, I can kinda remember back in the day
when you would come off the basketball court, and I'd be grinning and...
you be grinning and...
Flexing my muscles.
Well, yeah, yeah.
But I just remembered those...
Those were the good old days, right there.
That's before I got the dad bod, right?
Well, you still got a cute little worker, you still got...
Okay, well, you know, the dad bod, that's in. That's the thing right now.
I didn't know that.
You better get...
You better recognize.
Oh, okay.
All right, all right.
(CHUCKLING)
All right, you told us about the private calls that she's gotten.
Uh, what else do you have?
There's got to be more than that to make you think that's she's cheating now.
JERALD: It's the private calls, the priority mode.
You receive pictures...
from other male... body parts.
Okay, wait a minute, what?
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
Have you received pictures of men's body parts?
I did, Your Honor, and it was, um,
after the fact that when I moved to Houston.
Well, we were supposed to be moving to Houston. I took a job offer.
And it was working seven days on, seven days off.
So every day that I was in Houston,
I would call his phone, call his phone.
He wouldn't answer his phone.
I have six screenshot pages
of him conversating with females.
"Oh, you look good in that little black dress last night at the club."
"Ooh, you was looking good."
"Ooh, can we finish what we started long time ago?"
"Ooh, you're looking nice."
"Hey, what's up, shorty? Don't be no stranger.
"Say hey back sometimes."
Wait, wait, wait. Hold up.
We asked you a very specific question.
APRIL: Mmm-hmm.
And that question was,
"How did you have a man's male part on your phone?"
Because I was conversating with someone when I was in Houston
after I figured that I was single 'cause I was getting no response.
So how did you find out about this picture, Mr. Nickerson?
See, we had the same, exact two phones.
APRIL: He opened the phone.
And...
when the phone went off, we had the same ring tone.
I slid down on the phone, and there's a picture.
But it wasn't your phone. it was her phone.
JERALD: It was her phone.
'Cause I know no male should be sending me
no picture of no private part.
JUDGE DANA: Right, right.
And it wasn't your private part?
JERALD: It wasn't mine.
Okay.
I'm like, "So,
"so who this is?"
"I don't know."
"How you don't know?
"It's your phone that he sending this picture."
Then he send a picture of his face.
So I asked her who...
"I don't know who that is."
I honestly didn't know who it was, you know.
I don't know the number, I didn't save nobody's number.
I was just conversating with random people, Your Honor. I was hurt.
I was torn, I was distraught,
and he just hurt me to the core.
It was so much this man done to me.
JUDGE DANA: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
I understand if somebody sends you just a private part,
you may or may not be able to identify it.
But when they... I mean, I don't know.
But when they sent you a picture of their face,
you still didn't know who it was?
APRIL: I still didn't know, Your Honor.
Apparently, it was somebody I was conversating with.
You said you understand what it's like to get a random picture
of somebody's private part? What...
I was talking about in the general, like,
I can understand if you got that and you didn't know.
Okay.
'Cause you didn't know that particular person.
So... So how do you understand?
Is this from personal experience?
Not at all, Mr. Cutler.
you haven't been getting any random phone calls
from random people with random body parts?
No.
JUDGE DANA: No, no.
You're talking generally and not specifically?
Yeah, we're talking generally.
Very general.
Okay, all right.
Extremely general. Okay.
All right. Okay.
Whoo, you're about to get me in trouble.
I'm sorry, Your Honor.
Whoo, you're about to get me in trouble.
I'm sorry, Your Honor.
And, Your Honor, another reason why
I've had a feeling she was doing something.
So I get a job at the furniture store, delivering furniture.
We delivered come lunchtime.
So I go home.
I have a house key to the house.
I pulled on the screen door. It's locked.
So why you have my screen door locked?
Well, it could be for safety reasons, right?
They enough locks on the door inside.
JUDGE KEITH: Okay.
You bangin' on the door, I go immediately to the door,
opened the curtain and tell you to hold on.
And I also see the man standing behind you,
so I reached right down, I grabbed my moo-moo.
I put my moo-moo on,
and I opened the door immediately.
And y'all both walked through the house.
Did y'all see anybody?
Did y'all smell any candles burning?
Actually, he didn't even come in.
No, you didn't see none of that.
Actually, he didn't come in.
JUDGE DANA: I have to ask you this.
Yes, Your Honor.
Have you ever cheated?
Not while we were together.
Okay...
When I found out the incident when I was in Houston,
yes, I did sleep with someone.
Yes, I did tell him before I moved back home.
I gave him a decision
where he still wanted to pursue our marriage or not.
He said we were going to work it out because he wanted to.
I said, "Now, do you have anything that you need to tell me?"
He looked me in my face and he told me no. And that was a bold-faced lie.
He's cheated on me before.
I found messages, I found pictures, I found all of this.
JUDGE DANA: Wait, wait, wait. Let me understand.
There was a period of separation
where you were living separate from him.
It was a period, yes.
JUDGE DANA: And during that period is when you...
had relations with someone else?
Yes, sir.
I mean, yes, Ma'am.
How many folks?
APRIL: It was two.
Okay.
And then you all get back together and you tell him,
"I was with these two men."
APRIL: I sure did.
'Cause you're trying to clear the air.
Exactly, and I did it because I was hurt.
JUDGE KEITH: And then you all moved forward?
All right, so...
First off, Your Honor...
Do you believe there were more than two?
Yes, sir, the reason why I say that,
'cause when we moved to our hometown,
I go to a gas station one day.
Her and her sister talk about everything.
So I ran into her sister at the gas station.
So we start talking and all this.
Her sister come tell me,
"What, didn't she tell you she slept with Rollo?"
She told me a totally different name.
So, I'm like, "How long?"
Okay, so your understanding is when you all were separated,
she told you about one man and then she told you about another man.
She told me about one.
Her sister come tell me about another one,
then she told me about the other one.
So it become three.
He said we were going to work it out because he wanted to.
The court wants to get to the bottom of this.
We've got your side, we've got your side.
Now, we wanna hear the sister's side.
(EXHALES)
So, Ron, would you please escort the witness in?
RON: Yes, Your Honor.
Please come up and sit at the witness stand up here.
Okay.
How are you doing today?
Okay.
All right, would you state your name, please, for the court.
Tomica Shelton,
April Nickerson's oldest sister.
Did you know that your sister was seeing other men?
In Houston, yes.
You did know that?
Yes.
Okay, and how did you know that?
TOMICA: We talk. We talk a lot.
It's not like I was trying to tell on her, but it was like...
My thing is, ya'll squashed this from Houston.
So when y'all came to Louisiana,
that should have been left in Houston.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
He was telling me about April told him about the guy.
The guy in Houston.
"She didn't tell you about such-and-such?"
It was the wrong name.
Because all I could think about was Fred Sanford.
I know the name started, like, with an R or something.
So I'm like, "Rollo".
So, that's all I could do, is just give a name.
I was thinking about Sanford and Son when I said the name.
Well, that was one of my favorite shows,
and Rollo was a character, for sure.
Yeah.
JERALD: Excuse me, Your Honor.
I'm told from you was one name.
Then your sister tell me is another name.
APRIL: Okay, but excuse me, Your Honor.
Who can I believe?
He's not telling you about the girl
that started all of this.
Jerald, like, you're making the same, like,
"I just did you so wrong."
Like you forgotten that the girl text your phone, thinking I was you.
Taking 'bout, "Is your wife around? I miss you.
"I just wanna see you on your lunch break."
See, first off, Your Honor,
You told these women about me,
that's why I don't trust you.
I told her the woman...
You're making it seem like I'm just the bad person.
"Me and my wife are getting back together.
"Don't text or call from my phone no more."
So why is she saying she just wanna see you on your lunch break?
She just miss you so much and she don't care
that you have a new girl.
If I tell her don't call or text my phone anymore,
I can't do nothing about it.
JUDGE DANA: Okay, wait, wait, wait.
We can't hear both of you at the same time.
Here's my question.
Was this a woman you were involved with during the break?
JERALD: Yes, ma'am.
No, it was before. That's what led to the break.
JUDGES: Hold on. Let him finish.
That was during the break.
She was staying in Houston at the time when I met the woman.
(SCOFFS)
And that's your story, you're sticking to it?
That's the truth, that's not a story.
All right, why do you think it was before that point?
Because that's why he wasn't answering his phone,
'cause he was too busy involved with her.
This is the reason you all had to break?
Her and all of the 110 women that I've seen in his messages.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
That's why I went on break.
JUDGE KEITH: So, what we have here, Mr. Nickerson,
you believe that your wife is cheating.
JERALD: Yes, Your Honor.
And if you find out that she is cheating, you're gone?
I'm gone, Your Honor.
Right, well, the court has ordered a polygraph test on Ms. Nickerson,
and we have those results.
(AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING)
Ron, would you please escort former special FBI agent
and licensed private investigator,
Kendall Shull, into the courtroom.
RON: Yes, Your Honor.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
Mr. Shull, how are you today?
SHULL: Fine, thank you.
JUDGE DANA: Good morning.
Good morning.
You administered a polygraph examination
for Ms. Nickerson, is that correct?
Yes, I did, Your Honor.
JUDGE KEITH: All right, and you asked her
a series of questions.
I did.
Ms. Nickerson was asked,
"Since being married to Mr. Nickerson,
"other than the two men you've admitted to,
"have you had sexual intercourse
"with any other man?"
What was her response?
She said no.
What did the lie detector reveal?
The lie detector determined that she was being truthful.
(AUDIENCE CHEERING, APPLAUDING)
JUDGE DANA: There you go.
Look at that.
You left him some lipstick. (LAUGHING)
JUDGE DANA: It's all right.
He can remember me.
JUDGE DANA: Well, this is a good way for you...
Excuse me, Your Honor.
JUDGE DANA: Yes?
You ran my detector test,
but does Mr. Nickerson have any results? Does he have?
JUDGE KEITH: Well, under the court procedure,
we also had a polygraph examination
performed of Mr. Nickerson,
and we have those results as well.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
but does Mr. Nickerson have any results?
JUDGE DANA: Mr. Shull, you asked Mr. Nickerson,
"Since being married,
"other than the one girl your wife knows about,
"have you had sexual intercourse with any other woman?"
What was his response?
He said no.
What did the lie detector determine?
The lie detector determined
that he was being...
deceptive.
(AUDIENCE EXCLAIMING)
Oh, really?
Really, Mr. Nickerson?
But it was me the whole time, right?
I'm the stripper girlfriend, I'm the stripper wife, but...
JUDGE KEITH: Mr. Nickerson.
What were you doing?
Yes, Your Honor.
Who was this other woman or who were these other women?
It was one other woman.
I received...
APRIL: Oh, really?
Or maybe three or four or five.
I received...
oral sex from.
Okay, Mr. Nickerson, here's the problem I have with this.
First of all,
I think it was interesting you were pointing at her,
but our polygraph was very specific.
It said "sexual intercourse."
Exactly.
JUDGE DANA: Versus sexual contact.
This is the clean break point.
Right now, here today.
What is the story, sir?
APRIL: And if he can't tell the truth, Your Honor,
I don't wanna do it.
I had oral sex with a woman, and we had sex.
JUDGE DANA: That same woman?
The same woman.
APRIL: I'm hurt.
I'm honestly hurt.
My best friend hurt me.
Sorry.
APRIL: You can't be honest with me.
No matter how much I tried, no mater how much honesty I gave you.
You don't give it a return.
From the past. You still holdin' on to the past. Like, I asked you...
No, I'm not. I'm holdin' on to the present.
...how you holding on from the past, when we tryin' to get to the future?
Mr. Nickerson, do you want this to work?
Because it doesn't sound like you're apologizing,
you're kinda justifying what you're doing.
Do you want this to work?
Yes, Your Honor. I love my wife.
I grew up in a house without a dad,
so I'm willing to be there for mine.
I have four girls.
They can look up to me and say,
"Oh, mama is a mama figure, you know,
"but she keep letting daddy hurt her."
I have to be a prime example for my kids.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDING)
You all would have to figure this out.
This court has resources available for you,
for you to either work it out together
or figure out how to co-parent together.
We wish you the best.
And as we say in this court,
do not cheat yourself out of an opportunity
to have a warm, healthy relationship.
This court is adjourned.
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