Ramzi Nablus
You can see that we are surrounded
and we cannot...
and even if we go out 10km away
they will stop you at checkpoints
A soldier can stop you
and send you back home
by the force of a gun
You can't go to Jerusalem
They are making everything very difficult
and sometimes they give you a very tiny space
and then they lock it up again
Thank you
What is occupation?
Mahmoud Bethlehem
It's when a country is occupied
and when we are not allowed to enter Jerusalem to pray
and when we are not living in freedom in this country
What else can I say?
Give me an example of a freedom that you would want?
that you don't have
Because of occupation? - Yes
Ibrahim Bethlehem
The occupation does not allow us to go to al Aqsa mosque and pray
What is occupation?
Fatma Bethlehem
It is when someone takes something that is not their right
For example, if they took my purse
it's not theirs
It is not their right
It is my property
and it is not their right to take my property
What is occupation for you?
Hussein Jilazun refugee camp
That they took our land
they killed our children they killed our...
Israel
our mothers and our brothers
took Jerusalem
they occupied Jerusalem
the holy land
the holy places in Palestine
that they take everything in Palestine
that they occupy Palestine
water and all other things in Palestine
He means also the 1948 lands, right?
Does he mean the 1948 lands (Israel) as well?
Yes, he is talking about Israel as well
Israel and its partners
The lands like Haifa and Jaffa does he mean that too?
Yes, Haifa, Jaffa, Akko, Tiberius
Jerusalem, Lod
al Abasiya (Yehud), Rantia, Safad
Where are you from?
I am from Beit Nabala
Where is that?
Beit Nabala from back then (in pre-1948 Israel)
He is from Beit Nabala
a village that was occupied in 1948
How do you define occupation? What is occupation?
Yasmeen Nablus
They are (against) the freedom for everyone
against the freedom for everyone
There is no dignity under the occupation
She is trying to think? - Yes
I can cut this part, not a problem (cutting a few seconds didn't work in editing)
Is there any
legal definition?
is there any absolute or objective definition for occupation?
For example, yesterday
the Jews came to Joseph's Tomb (in Nablus)
and they started shooting everyone around this happened yesterday
That's true - What?
I saw a video, I never saw that
and there were people there who were wounded
and injured
by weapons, rubber bullets
This is the occupation
It makes people sad
What is occupation?
No politics
Taqi Nablus
It's like jail
How? Explain
You can't travel without permission from them (Israel)
Travel to where?
Inside the West Bank
You want to go to Ramallah
You go through Zaatara Have you been to Zaatara?
Yes
You don't need permission to go
They will stop you
you will feel the same as a Palestinian
You will feel the same they will capture you, take you to jail
You go to Jerusalem
Hold on
When you are traveling to Ramallah or Jerusalem
Jerusalem is different
You are traveling in the West Bank - Why is it different?
It is the West Bank
Jerusalem is the West Bank
You said the West Bank so let's... - It is the West Bank
1967 (lands), it is the West Bank
It was occupied after 1967
Two different things
but anyways, let's go on you ask the questions
So...
...checkpoints, you feel like you are in jail
your freedom is confiscated
You have no
you can't do anything that you like
I mean, if you want to go to...
Is your business affected by occupation?
Sure
How is your business affected?
Before, Nablus was the centre of the West Bank
People came from everywhere
With the occupation
freedom to...
they cannot come to Nablus freely
so I have less customers
Do you have family in Israel? on the other side?
No, no
So how would your business and life change without occupation?
Practically
There are two occupations
The occupation of 1948 (Israel)
and 1967
1948 already effected us a long time ago
All my family is in Syria
I can't see them and Lebanon
1967, my brother is in Jordan and I am here
So we have two different
periods
If we ended occupation today Tomorrow, no occupation
How would your life change? How would your business change?
He reminded me
I had a factory
We used to...
Fabric, for furniture
We used to have... We were number one in all Palestine
The Israelis closed it for us
They closed the factory
Now we are broke
Now I sell this (baked goods)
What do you mean "Israelis closed it"?
In the first intifada
they didn't allow us to import
fabric
the cloth
No, the fabric for the...
Samer Ramallah
It's a confiscation of lands
Hands on resources
water
very important, basic
resources
you know, what it means land and water
When you talk about lands do you mean 1948 or 1967 lands?
Well, let's say 1967
because we are living on 20% of the 1967 lands
If we are talking about 1967
so we live on 20%
water resources
we have a lot of water resources
that are controlled by the Israeli authorities
Also, in addition to the different restrictions
by checkpoints, blockage
detainees
attacks, shocks
demolitions
Shocks?
Like attacking people
violently
by the Israeli authorities
Also
it means
restriction on movement
characterized by the checkpoints
The checkpoints going into Israel?
Checkpoints in the West Bank
Not into Israel In the West Bank
I am from Ramallah
I live in Ramallah
I am from Jenin
The northern West Bank
On weekends we go visit family
and on my way
my way to Zabadeh
a small village in the north West Bank
I have to cross two checkpoints
Two checkpoints
Zaatarah checkpoint and Hawarah checkpoint
I go through Hawarah all the time and there is never any (soldiers)
For example, this morning
Zatarah was closed
Zatarah I don't know
but Hawarah I am there every two weeks
and I have never seen a checkpoint
Yes, that is fine
There is one but usually it is open
Usually it is open there are no soldiers
Sometimes there are soldiers
but they don't do anything
and you just pass
It is a checkpoint, there are soldiers
There are soldiers there
They can show up anytime
That's the point
Ok, this is common
How often do you estimate that there are soldiers there?
percentage wise
In the last month? - whatever, year
20% I think
Because I am there every three weeks and I have never seen a soldier
How long have you been here?
Six years
Six years?
and every two weeks you pass through Hawara?
No, sometimes I don't come for a month or two
not always Hawara but there are other ones
Or I see the soldiers standing there (I am referring to Container Checkpiont)
and not doing anything - You are lucky
Maybe
Because Palestinians tell me that I am lying
but I don't see them
You're right, you're right - yes, sometimes they are not there
They exist at the checkpoint
but do not respect your movement
and other times they stop you
and inspect the car
Sometimes
I had the flying checkpoints not at those (locations)
where they were looking for somebody
so they would look at a picture and look at you. No, go
Flying checkpoints
That I had
But I never had Hawara
Flying checkpoints I think I saw twice
in the six years
You faced it twice? - Yes
So we face many flying checkpoints
during the second intifada
Many, many
Yes, that was also a time of war
Disrespecting people, humiliating people
and sometimes arresting people
I don't know why
Fahmi Nablus
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