my guest today is a graduate in English literature he ran a construction
business led sort of what's often described is in the wail side in the
sixties a fan of the Beatles hang-gliding BMW and motorways today he
heads the Isha Foundation an international organization with hundreds
of thousands of followers dedicated deeply and committed to social work and
social welfare projects but most significantly he's a teacher a
philosopher embodying the highest aspirations of several Indian traditions
I I suppose that the Hindu tradition pre-eminently I'm delighted to welcome
Deb guru vaselov tell me sir that you described as dragon guru what is who is
a jagadguru oh do you describe yourself as one people describe me as a Sat guru
uh-huh Sadhguru means an uneducated guru in the sense that one does not come from
the scriptures or study of spirituality but one who comes from inner experience
all I have is what I know within myself nice literally read is that a title that
you're comfortable with it's not a title it's more eruption it's more a kind of
description so that people don't expect the way those arrow punishes or whatever
else when they come and sit with you there's only one thing I know I know
this piece of life absolutely and that's all I know and that's more than enough
what about the Guru aspect the teacher or what is a guru but what role do you
see yourself how do you have you seen your work as a guru what does it mean to
be one what Israel to be one the word guru literal
means GU means darkness rule means dispeller one do you see dispelling
darkness whose darkness what kind of blackness when you when you say darkness
it's not in terms of light and darkness as we you know physically it's in terms
of bringing clarity when there is no clarity or in darkness so bringing
clarity of vision bringing clarity of perception what I'm teaching is
fundamentally simple methods a technology to enhance your perception
because what you perceive is all you know what you do not perceive if you
hear from somebody it's just a fairy tale and fairy tales don't transform you
it's only your perception just someone like you pursue happiness Crandall Mitty
well you're enlightened but a person was sort of aspiring to be like you say to
be is it legitimate to pursue happiness from oneself what is happiness they once
you're joyful by your own nature your life will become an expression of you
joining no more in pursuit of happiness if you look back on your own life and
see most of the life maybe in pursuit of happiness but a few moments are an
expression of your joy they are the most significant and beautiful moments in
your life take us in a beauty you know the semantics of it joy bless ecstasy
happiness what is the aspiration so these are not
semantics this is living experience for people we can say if your body becomes
very pleasant we generally call this health and pleasure if your mind becomes
very pleasant we call this peace and joy if your emotions become very pleasant we
call this love and compassion if your energies become very pleasant we call
this bliss and ecstasy so they are not really semantics they are living
experiences for people when you attain enlightenment and what will come to your
II your experience of enlightenment but you never get do you ever get implied
emotions do you feel you know the pain of others of the the suffering of others
is that or is that a response to that pleasant unpleasant or water or a third
emotion maybe I'm simplifying it because I have a limited vocabulary what happens
you know you worked with the victims of tsunami and your people rushed there
immediately you go there and you see the suffering of people what what do you
feel as opposed to you know a mundane stupid person like me you know just sort
of fails confusion why is this happening what is this divine play why must people
suffer what do you feel when you see that see if things were happening
consciously within you if your mind if your emotion was happening consciously
if you see another person separate suffering empathy will happen compassion
will happen suffering will not happen you can shed tears of compassion you can
shed tears of empathy but they need not be tears of pain and if pain comes
naturally bitterness will follow so one cannot be in pain and avoid bitterness
if bitterness comes all kinds of negative actions will follow so the
beauty of life is your inner experience because the seat of experience is within
you you can 100% determine how you experience this life maybe you cannot
100% determine what situations you may face what kind of situations you may be
placed in whether they're Pleasant or unpleasant you may not be able to decide
that but what happens within you is 100% in your control because inside there's
only one ingredient which is you outside there are million ingredients which
nobody has total mastery over we can control them and manage them to some
extent but never 100% but this one what's happening within can be created
100% the way you want it if things within your happening exactly the way
you want it would you be creating bliss or pleasantness or unpleasantness
definitely pleasantness that no matter especially if you're
placed in unpleasant situations is it not all the more important that at least
you keep your insights Pleasant you're watching a conversation with Sadhguru
Jaggi Vasudev we'll be right back after a short break
welcome back to a continuing conversation with Satoru
Jaggi Vasudev we were talking about gurus and there are so many gurus in the
marketplace of spirituality why are the yardsticks what do you know what are the
criteria that as an aspirant when when when when uses to evaluate and and and
work or surrender or buy whatever you want to use and respond to learn from a
guru so how to choose your good yes if you happen to go and sit with somebody
who claims to be a guru if you feel terribly uncomfortable with
him you don't want to be there for a moment but you can't get up and go but
you keep going back again and again everything all reason tells you not to
go there but something within you doesn't helplessly goes there that's
your good if you like him he's not your
is the surrender or relationship with a guru is it important to keep one's
critical faculties alive they are if it's only if only we are following the
path of bhakti surrender becomes a thing surrender is not something that you can
do it is just that if you're overwhelmed by something far larger than you a
certain surrender happens nobody can surrender consciously I have surrendered
he's a horrible statement to make you cannot surrender if a presence which
is far larger than you overwhelms you in such a big way a certain surrender
happens that is not full people surrender in installments so when it
comes to me I am not demanding any kind of surrender all I'm asking a sense you
want to work with something you can only work with what you are you can only work
with what you have on your hands you can't work with that which you don't
have you talk about surrender devotion God and this and that these things you
can't work with because you don't have them in your hands what you have is your
body your mind your emotion your energy you start working with that and as it
works for you you will tend to go further and further naturally surrender
is not always necessarily a must it is see right now whether you like it or not
we have surrender to this planet because it's we are going wherever it goes isn't
it so it is an unconscious surrender so
whether you like it or you don't like it your whole life the very way your body
throbs right now the very way the life and it has happened he is being
controlled by a million things around you so unconsciously we have surrender
to it tell us about about your journey your your your your enlightenment what
was you know you're conducting courses you have people who initiate aspirants
students you had a guru you learnt your guy you had she learnt pranayama and you
said sort of seeking perfection of the mind and the body and and the
enlightenment happened to you did you cultivate it did you seek it was it as
spontaneous you know several hours that you'd undiscovered was a much longer
period of time I did not seek it nor did I cultivate it it's just by
chance I came in touch with yoga when I was just 11 years of age was the yoga a
preparation for this you think in some ways definitely I would like to tell you
how I came in touch with yoga when I was a kid when I was just 11 years along
with my you know a few friends and others it was a sport for us to jump
into your well which was just about eight feet in diameter dropping about 70
80 feet into the water so it is dangerous if you go the wrong way your
brains will become a smear on the wall and to climb
I'm up again because there's no steps or ladders or anything to climb the rock
it's a difficult thing to do it's something that we want to do the boys
we're doing this and I'm good at it then over a man comes with over 70 years of
age and he jumps in without a word and he climbs up faster than me I didn't
like it so I asked okay how he said come under yoga that's how I got into yoga
I'm saying this to you because it doesn't matter how you get into it it
still works because it's a technology it is not a philosophy it is a technology
if you employ the method properly it will naturally lead you on to a certain
possibility so the assumption of technologies of input-output so are you
am i right and understanding that if if those inputs of yoga and pranayama that
you went through that if any individual which we engage in those practices they
would have similar experiences to what you had at age whatever after so many
years is doing that because the minute you call it technology you're using a
certain empiricism you do X and you get Y at a metaphysical level we start
talking about karma and things yes in a much larger context and it ends up when
you're looking at techniques saying that you know you do so many minutes of prana
a movie seven minutes of yoga and you do XYZ and this is what's going to happen
it happened to me is that what you're saying Yoga has a physical dimension to
it and a subjective dimension to it if you deliver the yoga without the
subjective then you go on doing it your back ache will go you become strong and
this that but the other aspects will not come if Yoga has been received not
learnt if it's been received with the necessary subjectivity it is bound to
happen there is no other way so this is the reason why what we are doing right
now is subjective so the training processes are very long and rigorous to
train a simple teacher who has to teach this five-day program five evening
program we train them for four to five years
where intense training full-time because the
subjectivity doesn't happen just with the physicality of yoga it's still my
question then if this is at will it work for everybody and it's predictable is it
predictable that you do these inputs and this is what is going to happen now I
have hundreds and thousands of people who are enlightened as you are who have
experiences which are very high people ask me what's the mission
I tell them my mission is to plant undercover Yogi's now I have housewives
bank manager executive scientist tribal woman in very deep states of experience
very intense and blissful states of experience but have doing normal
activity but tell us about what happened to you when you experienced
enlightenment and and and what what followed so that I may in aspire to it
one day to what will happen may sound very logical and little crazy for people
but anyway you asking for it not only am I asking for it I'm saying
that one day I want to get there - uh-uh-uh-uh-uh I want to be enlightened
I was you know after I finished my education got into business and much
more successful than most people would have imagined in a short span of time
everything happening the way you want it when everything that you touch is
successful generally you get into this mode that the planet doesn't go around
the Sun it actually goes around you so I'm in a condition like that everything
that I do is success I'm dead sure of Who I am what I am all this one
afternoon I'm just sitting on a particular rock in chop you know I come
from my soul on this a hill called Chamundi my eyes are open I'm not doing
anything yoga car meditation all righty I'm just sitting with my eyes open till
that moment I always knew myself means this suddenly I did not know which
is me which is not me what was me was all over the place the
very rock on which I was sitting there that I was breathing that mas fear
everything was me that sounds learning isn't it what was me was just all over I
thought this experience lasted for about 5-10 minutes but when I came back to my
normal senses four and a half hours had passed i sat there at 3 o'clock I know
that very well into 7:30 in the evening my eyes are open
Sun has set I am fully conscious but it's just that time just slipped by like
that this left me drenched in a completely different kind of
blissfulness for the first time in my adult life tears were flowing tears and
me are impossible me and spirituality cannot be because even at the age of 4
or 5 I have questions if my parents cannot answer questions I will not enter
the temples that they're visiting I'll just hang around near the chapel stand
for many hours till they come out but I won't enter because the countenance of
my questions you're watching a conversation with Satguru chai giver so
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