This is Couples Court With The Cutlers.
This is the case of King v. Johnson.
You've been dating for two years and living together.
Your love and relationship, however, is in jeopardy,
because you believe Mr. Johnson is cheating. Is that correct?
Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE DANA: We're gonna talk about that,
but I wanna know how y'all met.
Me and Mr. Johnson met in 2015 at his brother's barber shop.
He came in from work, I was getting my eyebrows waxed,
and I saw a young man who was handsome.
(LAUGHS)
So, I had approached him, like, "Can I have your number?"
JUDGE DANA: Did you really?
KING: So, he gave me his number,
and we started communicating within two weeks later...
And we were... Just best friends.
And we started getting serious to the point... I left everything I had
to move to Little Rock, Arkansas for him.
And everything was... just perfect.
It was, it was like I was his queen, and he was my king.
AUDIENCE: Aw!
And it was perfect!
(AUDIENCE CLAPPING)
(STAMMERS) Like, couldn't nothing tear us apart.
Like, we were just Bonnie and Clyde, we were perfect.
AUDIENCE: Aw.
KING: Perfect.
JUDGE KEITH: I know you went in to the barber shop
for maybe, you know, a line up, or a fade or something.
JOHNSON: Yes, sir.
You came up with more than what you bargained for.
KING: Yes, sir. She... Yes, sir.
JUDGE KEITH: Okay.
Yes, sir.
Who knew the barber shop was the next pickup place? Who knew?
JUDGE DANA: Who knew.
So, my question is this.
You're saying it was perfect.
What did you think when you met her?
It was, it was lovely to meet, you know...
Uh, I like a lady who knows what she wants.
So, actually, I was the guy, you know, the chemistry was just there.
So, you know, it was just something that happened
and I went with the flow with it.
JUDGE DANA: All right, so things are perfect.
So how have you ended up here
talking about, "Mr. Johnson is cheating"?
KING: Okay, I decided that I wanna go through his phone, one day.
And I see, well, uh...
"I'm at your house, I'm in your bed, waiting on you."
I wanna...
I'm like...
(AUDIENCE CLAMORING)
I'm like...
"Hold on! Really?"
I wasn't...
I wanted her to be...
JUDGE KEITH: Okay, Ms. King, um,
you submitted to the court
your recollection of what that text message was.
Yes.
And it was from Mr. Johnson
to another woman, and it says,
"I'm waiting in your bed."
KING: Yes.
JUDGE DANA: And you were concerned about that, I presume?
I was.
JUDGE DANA: So, did you talk to him about it?
I did.
All right, I can't wait to hear
what that conversation is like.
Yeah.
So, when I approached him about it, he was taking a bath,
and he jumped out of the tub, and, like, "What are you talking about?"
and I'm like, "You know what I'm talking about."
So he's like...
Okay...
"Okay, baby, it wasn't nothing like that I apologize."
We had actually got in a big conflict, and I had left.
So, I had left.
JUDGE DANA: All right, Mr. Johnson, I'm waiting...
I'm waiting for your explanation.
The text message wasn't saying I was in her bed...
Yes, it was.
I was at her house.
JUDGE DANA: Timeout.
So...
Wait a minute. Hold on, love.
You got this?
I got this.
You got this?
Uh-huh.
Okay.
(KING LAUGHS)
JUDGE DANA: So, here's the deal.
I'm a woman.
She's a woman.
I misread stuff.
I'm not gonna make the mistake,
if I find a message in Mr. Cutler's phone
that says,"I'm at your house", versus, "I'm in your bed, waiting."
JOHNSON: Yeah.
That is a big difference.
Yeah, but...
JUDGE DANA: "I'm on her couch."
The text message
must've been misread.
Versus "I'm on her bed."
No, ma'am. I'm sorry.
No, go ahead.
I'm trying to...
What you got?
I'm just... I'm just saying.
The text message was misread.
But, I was at her house,
but I was not in her bed.
Yeah, it said...
JUDGE DANA: Did you end up in her bed?
No, I never ended up in her bed.
KING: That's false.
Is that your only concern? Regarding that particular woman?
No.
JUDGE KEITH: Because you think this text message...
No.
JUDGE KEITH: Means something.
"I'm waiting in your bed."
It means something, 'cause a month later,
I'm calling him, like, "Where are you at?"
He's like, "I'm with some home boys."
So, he's telling me to meet him at his house.
So, I meet him there and I call him, like "Where are you at?"
He's like, "I'm over here at Fillmore
"with my homeboys."
And I'm like, "Okay."
So, as we're talking, and actually getting into it,
I hear the same woman that he was texting
in his background,
Honestly, I think he put the phone on speakerphone,
and he was like
"Hey, this girl trying to tell me I ain't with y'all, my home boys."
And so, when he said that,
the woman, was like,
"Shawnta,
"you need to leave that boy alone."
I was with my homeboys.
So, I'm like...
JUDGE KEITH: This other woman called you by name?
Yeah, she knows me personally.
(AUDIENCE GASPS)
So, when I pull up,
she was sitting in the chair, he was standing over the top of her,
hugging and kissing her, and I jumped out the car and I immediately went crazy,
like, I turned into the devil.
You heard me, I turned into the devil.
Okay, when you say, "hugging and kissing,"
I just wanna be clear,
was it a peck on the cheek, or was he kissing her...
He was kissing her.
JUDGE DANA: Like, a real " Happy Birthday" birthday kiss?
Yes. Like... (SMOOCHING) Type.
Yes, he was kissing her.
That's false. That's false.
KING: No, it's not.
JUDGE DANA: Okay, were you...
She says that she saw you kissing this woman.
Hey, is it another one of those things
that woman know the difference between a peck on the cheek and a kiss?
I mean, if she saw it, she's not gonna mix that up.
Is that...
You're being funny?
(KING LAUGHS)
JUDGE KEITH: I'm confirming.
No.
JUDGE DANA: Yes, that...
I wanna...
JUDGE KEITH: Because you said
you find a text in your man's phone
that says you're waiting in bed...
JUDGE DANA: Yes.
JUDGE KEITH: You're not gonna misread that.
JUDGE DANA: No.
JUDGE KEITH: Similarly...
JUDGE DANA: Similarly...
If you roll up, and your man is kissing some woman,
you're not gonna mistake
a peck on the cheek for something more.
No, I'm not.
Okay, I'm just... I'm confirming that.
Yes, no. You're confirming it exactly so.
JUDGE DANA: Mr. Johnson.
Yes, ma'am.
Ms. King is saying she saw you
kissing another woman.
JOHNSON: Okay.
Hugging and kissing her... For her birthday?
KING AND JOHNSON: Yeah.
JUDGE DANA: For her birthday.
JUDGE KEITH: And this is the same woman,
this is the same woman that sent this text?
I understand, Mr. Cutler.
I understand what you're saying.
This is
the same woman he sent this text to.
What she seen is
I kissed her on the cheek, and I gave her a hug.
Her head just turned, like, 12:00, so...
So, now you're admitting it. Now.
So, she's saying, like, we was French kissing or something.
But you told me you didn't kiss her at all.
I just hugged her and kissed her...
I did admit that.
You didn't.
Yes, I did.
You said you didn't kiss her at all.
JUDGE KEITH: Mr. Johnson, you said...
Just like you do for any one of your friends, or anybody.
You know, you just... (SMOOCHING)
"Happy Birthday." You know what I'm sayin'?
That's all it was.
KING: Okay, Your Honor.
JUDGE KEITH: (SMOOCHING) "Happy Birthday."
Your Honor, so why does he... Why does he...
JUDGE KEITH: At that exact moment,
the exact moment that you...
You know, it's ironic.
JUDGE KEITH: So, you're the unluckiest man in the world.
JUDGE DANA: It's more than ironic.
So, you're saying you never had sex with this woman.
JOHNSON: No.
KING: False.
No.
So why do you, when you get mad...
That's the first place you run,
when you get mad.
You run there when you get mad. Why?
Like, I just go there just to blow off some steam, you know...
(KING LAUGHS)
There's nothing sexual going on or nothing like that.
You say you goin' over there to blow off steam.
JOHNSON: Yes, 'cause...
You know what that means?
JUDGE KEITH: Yeah. What does... What does that look like?
Okay, well, you know, I just go over to her, just to chill out, you know.
You know what chilling out...
You know what chilling out means too.
I've known her for a very long time.
A very long time. So...
So, is this a woman that you have been intimate with before?
Yeah, like in high school.
But that was like...
JUDGE DANA: Okay. Let me just tell you,
Way before I even knew her.
JUDGE DANA: All right. However this pans out,
if you're lucky enough to convince her to stay with you...
Mmm-hmm.
Leave her alone.
JOHNSON: Yes, ma'am.
JUDGE DANA: Blow steam elsewhere.
Ms. King, are there any other women that you're concerned about?
Any other women you caught him with?
Yes, Your Honor, it is.
We had gotten into a conflict,
we were in two different households,
and I had caught him, and I was like, you know,
"What are you doing? I'm on my way to the house."
He was like, "Well, I'm with my ex-friend and my kids
"at the playground."
So...
I'm like, "Okay, well, I'll be there."
So, when I pull up, I put my key in the door,
and there's something blocking the door.
So I can't get in.
I look in the window, I'm like...
"The couch is blocking the door. Why is the couch blocking the door."
Is that where you normally keep the couch, in front of the door?
I'm just checking.
KING: No, ma'am.
No, I just wanna be sure.
(JUDGE KEITH STUTTERS)
JUDGE DANA: You look into the front door, you can't get in,
what do you do next?
I'm looking through the window, I'm calling his phone at the same time,
he's not answering my phone calls.
So now, at this point, I'm panicking.
So I walk around the house,
and he has that door blocked off, as well.
JUDGE DANA: How does he block that?
He has the chair underneath the doorknob.
So at this point, I'm pissed.
I go back to the front of the house, and I look,
and that's when I see a woman.
(AUDIENCE GASPS)
I instantly...
I instantly punch the window out.
And that's when I get to busting all the windows.
And when I got in the house, he had no shirt on,
he was tying up his pajama pants,
and I'm asking him what's going on,
and he's telling me the woman asked for a glass of water.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
She got to come into the house
for a glass of water?
JUDGE DANA: Okay, wait. Hold on.
Okay, so, did you know the woman?
KING: No.
JUDGE DANA: Was she clothed when you saw her?
I did... Yeah.
I did see her like that, but I, I've seen the woman...
You saw a woman. Once you saw a woman, it was game on.
It didn't matter if she had clothes on or not.
Well, I'm just trying to get, you know, what was going on in the chair.
All right, Mr. Johnson, I'm gonna sit back for this one.
'Cause this is gonna be...
I know this is gonna be real rich.
JOHNSON: All right, this is what happened, okay?
BOTH: What had happened was...
KING: Yeah.
JOHNSON: Okay.
On this particular day,
my home girl, she came, she was walking home,
she stopped by, she got a glass of water,
and she, she sat there for a minute, we were just talking.
Okay.
How far does your home girl live from you?
She lives quite some ways.
Okay, the woman is walking down the street
she's a long way from home.
Walking down the street.
Walking down the street, a long way from home.
A long way from home.
Now she stops by your house.
Does she stop by just to get a glass of water...
JOHNSON: Yeah.
Or does she drop by
to talk to you, and you offered her a glass of water at some point?
Yeah, she... (STUTTERS)
JUDGE KEITH: Which one of those?
She just got a glass, she asked for a glass of water.
It was hot that day.
JUDGE KEITH: Okay.
(KING LAUGHS)
JUDGE DANA: (TAPS ON TABLE) "Who's there?"
"Hey, look, um, can I get a glass of water?
"I'm a long way from home, can I get a glass of water?"
(AUDIENCE LAUGHS)
"Yeah, hold on, let me move this couch."
(KING LAUGHS)
JOHNSON: It wasn't like that.
I know, had I let Ms. King come in, she...
You know, it would've looked...
JUDGE DANA: Bad?
Funny either way.
JUDGE KEITH: You think?
JUDGE DANA: Okay, let's cut it down to the brass tacks.
Did that woman get more than water?
No, ma'am.
JUDGE DANA: Did she come over and have sex with you?
JOHNSON: No, ma'am.
JUDGE DANA: You're telling this court...
Yeah.
You barricaded your house up
to give a woman a glass of water,
and you did not have sex with her?
I did not have sex with her.
JUDGE KEITH: You weren't blowing off any steam?
I did it
in order for
her not to get beat up by Ms, King.
But it's my house she's in. Why not?
So, it was worth her breaking how many windows?
KING: Five.
(AUDIENCE GASPING)
JUDGE DANA: You broke five windows.
Yes.
JUDGE KEITH: Were you trying to get in to save him
or get in to get at the woman?
I was trying to get her.
I was trying to get her.
Was she in the house when you got in the house?
She was sliding out, he was sliding her out the back door
by the time I made it in.
So, he was sliding her out the back.
JUDGE DANA: Here's a question I have for you, Ms. King.
You are here for answers, right?
KING: Yes, Ma'am.
If you get answers,
and those answers are that he has cheated,
what is at stake?
I'm leaving.
JUDGE DANA: So, you're done.
I'm done.
I'm done.
You understand that if it comes out
that you are, in fact, cheating...
Yeah, but I haven't cheated...
JUDGE DANA: Ms. King...
So, I'm not worried about it.
You have not slept with any of these women?
JOHNSON: That's correct.
JUDGE DANA: And you haven't slept with anyone since you've been with her.
No, ma'am.
JUDGE KEITH: And, Ms. King,
you don't believe him.
I don't believe him.
Well, I... (STUTTERS)
I don't believe him.
JUDGE DANA: It's a little hinky.
It's understandable.
JUDGE KEITH: Well,
to get to the bottom of these cheating allegations,
the court ordered a polygraph examination of Mr. Johnson,
and we have those results.
All right.
Ron, please escort certified polygraph examiner Michael Williams
into the courtroom.
RON: Yes, Your Honor.
Mr. Williams, how are you today?
WILLIAMS: Doing great. How are you doing, Judge?
It is good to see you.
How are you, Mr. Williams?
Would you state your credentials for the court, please?
Uh, I'm a certified polygraph examiner,
and have been for the last 25 years.
I have over 700 polygraphs to my credit.
Now, in this case you conducted a polygraph examination
of Mr. Johnson. Is that correct?
WILLIAMS: That's correct.
JUDGE DANA: And he was asked,
"The day Ms. King confronted you on your friend's front porch,
"did you have physical, sexual contact
"with that woman, on that day?"
What was his response?
He said, "No."
What did the lie detector determine?
WILLIAMS: The lie detector determined, that on this question,
the subject was being...
JUDGE DANA: What did the lie detector determine?
WILLIAMS: The lie detector determined
that on this question,
the subject was being deceptive.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
Mr. Johnson, what sexual contact did you have
with this woman on that day?
None. I haven't had sexual contact with her since high school.
Wow. (LAUGHS) Wow.
That's crazy, like.
JOHNSON: I mean...
JUDGE DANA: All right.
JUDGE KEITH: Mr. Williams,
Mr Johnson was asked, "On the day Ms. King confronted you
"at your home with another woman, and windows were broken,
"did you have physical, sexual contact with that woman?"
What was his response?
Your Honor, he said, "No."
JUDGE KEITH: What did the lie detector determine?
There was a significant physiological responses to this question,
which indicated he was being deceptive.
(AUDIENCE BOOING)
Wow. Okay.
JUDGE KEITH: Mr. Johnson...
JOHNSON: I'm... I...
I'm just as shocked as everybody here.
JUDGE DANA: I don't think anybody's shocked.
JUDGE KEITH: Nobody's shocked.
JUDGE DANA: Nobody's shocked.
JUDGE KEITH: You're the only one that's shocked.
JOHNSON: I haven't...
JOHNSON: What I'm telling you...
KING: No.
I haven't had sexual contact
with nobody else in two years,
except for one person.
And she knows about that. That's it.
What's gonna happen with your relationship with Mr. Johnson?
I'm done. There's nothing gonna happen. I'm completely done.
And I haven't cheated on her, or nothing.
I only slept with one other person in two years besides her.
JUDGE DANA: I know that you're like, "I'm done."
JUDGE DANA: So, Mr. Johnson.
Yeah.
JUDGE DANA: If you get another good woman,
you need to figure out how to stay out of the way of trouble.
Ms. King, I know the truth hurts.
I know this has been a painful experience for you.
This court has resources available to you as you move forward.
But as we say in this court,
don't cheat yourself out of a chance for a good relationship.
Court is adjourned.
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