As a solution to the conflict with the Palestinians
what do you think of the idea of a binational state?
Liora Tel Aviv
Problematic
Why?
Because I fear that in a binational state
that just like we aren't able to get along until today
we surely won't be able to get along in a shared territory
and at some point, the animosity
will take over
and we could find ourselves as a minority
What would happen if...
Palestinians say
if the Jews are a minority, it will be fine, don't worry
Experience proves that we can't trust such statements
Right?
The day that the country was created
the tendencies of the Arabs
even before that
the tendencies of the Arabs was to expel us from here in any way possible
So as long as they don't recognize our existence
why would I trust such a thing?
Ephraim Jerusalem
Would you support as a solution to the conflict with the Palestinians
a binational state?
I would tell you it would be a disaster
Why?
Because it is very hard to have a state
in which a large minority
of citizens, don't
identify with the goals of the state
the ethos of the state
and the raison d'etre of the state
A Palestinian would say
"we will become one people. Don't worry"
"it will be ok"
We'll become one people
That's absurd
Why? Give an example What do you mean by that?
What do I mean by that?
First of all
The last thing the Palestinians want
and the Israelis want
is to intermarry
Not that there aren't cases of intermarriage
there are some cases
but generally speaking
Israelis want to separate from the Palestinians
and Palestinians want to take over Israel
That's how I would sum up the current situation
Why can't we just live together as neighbours?
Why can't your neighbour above you be Palestinian
and the world goes on
That's the case today in places like Akko
places like Jerusalem
places like Haifa
That situation exists
Exactly
It can work
So therefore all the refugees...
No, no, no
It can work if the number of the minority
the size of the minority
is not close to half or more than half
Then the minority will want to change the ethos of the state
the constitution of the...
There is no constitution but
they would want to change the goals of the state
it would not be a Jewish state anymore
So what if it's just a state like the USA or Australia?
That's exactly the point
It's not a state like Australia or the USA
This is a Jewish state
established as a haven for the Jewish people
and help the Jewish people fulfill it's mission to the world
which is making the world a better place
So let's be clear about one thing
the problem is not Judea and Samaria (the West Bank)
The problem is 1948
This is the problem
in other words
I would say to you the following
the Zionist movement from it's beginning
has hoped that this conflict would be one over realestate
But for the Palestinians
from the beginning to this day
it has been a religious conflict
and this is the problem
According to Islam or certain versions of Islam
that many of them accept
there is no legitimacy to
a non-Arab, non-Muslim
entity, that has sovereignty
in the Islamic world
the Islamic expanse
That's why Israel has no legitimacy
and as far as they are concerned
what they want more than anything else
is the right of return
for all these so-called refugees
they are the only people in the world who are refugees third generation
no where else are there refugees third generation
and just numerically can take over Israel
and bye bye Israel bye bye Jewish state
that's their real dream
Opher Karkur
Would you accept a binational state?
Yes
with the right arrangements, yes
What does that mean?
That's a very big and general question
What's in your head?
I would say the two state solution
would be my preferred solution
but with the current situation
it's becoming harder and harder to get to a solution
and with everybody in the binational state
will have the same rights
the right to vote to the parliament
and the parliament, maybe it won't be anymore a...
So does this binational state include the West Bank and Gaza
well, that's the idea of a binational state
I am not sure about Gaza
but for sure about the West Bank
and the refugees outside
There are half a million refugees
sorry, 5 million refugees
outside of Israel
The refugees
problem is a very big problem
and it also needs to get to a solution somehow
maybe with
part of them having the right to come back to Israel
maybe part of them having some kind of
compensation
Like in other places that had the same solution
and I think it will be, has to be solved
because this is one of the core issues
in solving any conflict here
the refugee problem
The solution to the conflict with the Palestinians
Einat and Pitsi Raanana and Tel Aviv
a binational state
I agree
You (on the side) agree
Why, woman on the side who doesn't want to be filmed
I hate being filmed
and anyways, I just had my eyebrows done
But why do you agree?
Because I think it is the best for us
What do you think?
I agree
Which means...
Not because I love Arabs
I agree because I love us
we need to solve this conflict
and if things aren't good for them (Palestinians) there won't be a solution
so I want things to be good for them so we will have a solution
But the meaning is that
from the sea to the Jordan river it is one country
it isn't a Jewish country
That doesn't matter to me
Let me tell you
East Jerusalem should be for the Arabs
West Jerusalem ours...
No, that won't be, It will be one country
which means all Palestinians will... Binational
So the Palestinians... - No, why?
I want to separate from them
You want to separate?
So that isn't a binational state
No, we meant two states for two peoples
So they (Palestinians) would have a country
To give them a country
Because the significance is that all the refugees living in Syria
Jordan, that they would return here
to Jaffa...
No, two states for two peoples
Let me tell you
Her parents came from Iraq
I am three quarters from Lybia
Just like we are not returning to Lybia and Iraq
I don't know where her parents are from
So I support ...
Spain
We are not returning anywhere
so we simply need to split the country
Part for the Arabs, there is lots of room
most people don't know that
Near Afula for example, there is lots of room
In Jerusalem there is lots of room in Tel Aviv there is lots of room
people just don't know that
Arabs and Jews live there together
It's only politics
So the solution is two states
and let's live together
Look, we made peace with Egypt
There could be tourism
Tourism in Gaza
Even in Gaza?
We made peace with Egypt
We have a sort of peace with Jordan
I visited Jordan
I visited Egypt
They are also welcome to come here Why not?
Europe went through much worse wars than
the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
First and Second World wars and what?
do they not live together today?
Were the Germans and French or the English and Germans great friends? No
I am with her
She is with me
I am also with her
By chance we have the same views
and by chance we met
Do you guys know each other? - Yes
I was saying, in Jaffa (Arabs and Jews) can live together
Haifa, Nazareth, all sorts of places here
they are used to (living together)
But...
So why wouldn't it work if
Because if we take Holon for example they have a way of being
same in Rishon or Raanana or Kfar Saba
so why...
There are mixed cities and they should stay mixed
what is mixed, to give...
So it's the issue of changing things
Yes, it will create chaos
Itay Netanya
A binational state with Palestinians and Israelis
I don't
consider myself a person who can find a solution
to the Israeli-Palestinian problem
I would be happy if there would be a solution one day
but it's not something that I can see in the near future
So I am not willing to
If you had to choose a solution what would it be?
I think the two state solution is a better solution for us
Why?
Why not one state where everyone lives together equally?
Because it's not something that's going to happen
As long as we are going to have
religious Jews and religious Arabs
in the same country
the conflict is going to stay here
because it's a religious conflict
So maybe with a two state solution
each country is going to have to
take inside the local solutions
of their religious people and not the conflict of the two
different religions
There are people outside Israel who say the solution with Palestinians
that we create a binational state
Guy Bat Yam
That's the solution
That's the solution
Do you agree? - Yes
Yes
So it won't be a Jewish country
No (he doesn't agree)
That is what binational means
We have to give them part of the land
it's impossible to throw them all out
we can't throw them out they were here
That's the way it is
Does that mean two states
or what?
They want... They say the country has to be
not Jewish, not Arab for both peoples
together but not a Jewish state
No
it has to be under our (Israeli) sovereignty
We will be responsible for them
Would they have full rights?
Yes
But the population will be 50/50 we could have an Arab prime minister
They aleady vote they could vote for their leaders
they deserve a prime minister
He will be your prime minister
Exactly
You have no problem
They have to get rid of law of return (not sure if he means right of return)
They have to annihilate all of Hamas
No, this include the refugees
They say it isn't only Gaza and the West Bank
it is all Palestinians
No, I don't support all those terrorists who were here
The ones who were here and we threw out, I don't want them
So, can we say all those that aren't violent?
Those who aren't violent can be here
We can't erase them, they are here
They are here
They are here, in Jaffa there are Arabs in Haifa there are Arabs
nothing we can do
they are here
they are part of us
Asif (my nephew) Rishon Lezion
No
Why not?
because I think the differences between the two groups
the two peoples
are too big for that
I think neither group wants it
That's where the current government is headed
no solution will eventually lead to a binational state
but I don't think it is the right solution
because of the years of conflict
and the vastly different cultures
When you hear "binational state" what does it mean to you?
Who are the two nations?
are we talking about the West Bank, Gaza?
I think in territory
the Golan Heights to Eilat everything
if we are talking about a binational state
I don't think it is a good idea at all
I think it will lead to more tensions
Already binational states that are full democracies right now
like Belgium have a lot of tensions
But that is different than killing each other
I don't think
I don't think it is a solution to the conflict
because I think it would just lead to more problems
Give an example
I don't know, a prime minister that...
mostly differences
Give an example of a difference
Most Israelis are very liberal about civil rights
most Palestinians I think aren't
especially gay rights
I think in Palestine it is still a crime
while in Israel it is not
Can we pause this (for dinner)?
Is the solution
a binational state?
Yes, for sure yes
Idit Beer Sheva
That means the Palestinians return here
We can live together
in peace
like we once did
That means this isn't a Jewish country
A country for two peoples
with an understanding
of equal responsibilities
and rights
Totally
Which means there could be a Palestinian prime minister
that the refugees from Syria and Jordan return
No - Why?
Because
Here you have gone too far
I am speaking about those who were born here
who hold Israeli citizenship
No, I am talking about those in Ramallah
In Ramallah?
They also have an id...
Only someone who was born here
What is here? - Here
Here in Israel with citizenship?
Those who weren't born here has the opportunity to come
like we visit any country
He can apply
and if he is suitable, he will be accepted
like any other country in the world
So someone from Ramallah can come Where do you live?
Beer Sheva
Someone from Ramallah can move to Beer Sheva and be your neighbour
Totally, I have no problem with that
I lived in Morocco
not long ago
and both peoples live together there
When was this?
I am Israeli that moved to Morocco to live
Two peoples that live together no one says who lived there first
respect each other
Great
I have no problem
They say that all Palestinians and all Jews will live here
No problem
All Palestinians means those from Kuwait
Lebanon - No problem
No Problem
but full rights
No problem
I support it
As a solution to the conflict with the Palestinians
Lior Moshav Shoeva
would you support a binational state?
I don't know what...
I will explain it to you
It will be one country
the entire land, one country
Palestinians and Israelis
one country
He isn't laughing for no reason
What?
He isn't laughing for now reason because it is a big joke
A great joke
Ok, we will get to that
And all the Palestinian refugees would return
What do you all have to say about it? You can speak from the side
Sell me a popsicle, will a Palestinian state sell me a popsicle?
Which one? (popsicle)
Which Palestinian state?
I will tell you the truth
Shabbat starts soon I don't have time for this nonsense
Explain in one minute
Questions about the Gemmora I understand but this?
Where is he from?
He wants Arabs and Jews to live together
Where are you from?
I have a channel on Youtube
No, your accent
Canada
I will explain something to you
They don't want us to be here
The Arabs
They never wanted us here
Everywhere
They will do everything (to get rid of Jews)
they raise their children on it from when they are small
So how do you want us to get along with them?
You don't educate that way?
I don't educate for that God forbid
I don't say we should kill Arabs I don't say they shouldn't be here
You said "also we"
No, we truthfully
really want only Jews to be here
This is the Land of Israel not the Land of non-Jews
The land given to us by God
according to the Torah
But they have an interest that we won't be here
and they are willing to kill and be killed
They are raised that way
And you aren't?
I am not
Look for one book from the Ministry of Education
I am a teacher
Look for one book that says we should throw the Arabs in the sea
or anything like that
Ok?
That's the difference between us and them
Binational state is nonsense something that doesn't exist
like mixing meat and milk and still being kosher
It is a new invention
The Reform (Jews) could invent that
like Reform conversion It's not real
it is nonsense, tricking Jews
saying "go to the Land of Israel"
What do you think?
I say it is impossible to have that here
Explain why
If it was that simple, we wouldn't have a conflict, everything would be fine
there would be world peace
and all would be good
What could be bad about it?
You work here...
Why isn't there peace?
Why isn't there peace?
This is not about me
You work here with Muslims
you live with them - Exactly
I live with them I love them
Wait, I will ask you in a minute
So why is it impossible?
Because on all sides there are extremists
Extremists here and there
and it's impossible to connect with them
Not everyone is like me or like him (pointing to a Palestinian coworker)
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