- Hello, hello, I'm here today with my friend Jaxx Garcia
(ding)
AKA Andro Gin, and today she is going to...
Turn me into a drag king.
- Now, my type of drag king.
That mask, it's not gonna be suit and tie.
- Yes.
- It's definitely gonna be more like,
in the Halloween spectrum of things.
- We, yeah, we need to do a little B-roll
of like, all your performances.
I'm excited. (laughs) - Yeah.
("When You're Evil" by Voltaire)
♪ And it's so easy when you're evil ♪
♪ This is the life, you see ♪
The devil tips his hat to me
I do it all because I'm evil
And I do it all for free
(audience cheering)
♪ Your tears are all the pay I'll ever need ♪
(audience clapping and cheering)
♪ I am his ♪
♪ forever ♪
♪ More ♪
(dramatic, surging music)
(audience applauding and cheering)
- [Annie] So, what I wanted to ask you was,
what does drag mean to you?
- For me, and I mean this is just my definition,
everyone's gonna have their own definition of it,
some are more right than others,
but, can you look this way?
- Okay.
- [Jaxx] Drag for me, is the art form
of the expression of gender, be it whatever
that means for whomever is doing it.
It's such a wide definition, and when people try
to make it more strict, like, oh,
"It's just a man in a woman's dress",
that's not at all what, how it started,
that's not at all what it means.
So, the best way I can describe it is that,
it's the art form of gender expression.
- Yeah, I think, um...
I think one time I tried to describe drag,
what it meant for me, was just like,
gender, but theatrical.
- [Jaxx] Yes, yes. - Someone who is
gender nonbinary was like,
oh, "I don't like the idea of a drag theme,
because drag means, like, the opposite binary gender",
and so my opposition to that was,
but it doesn't have to be, um, that.
It doesn't have to be binary or opposite.
- [Jaxx] No.
- It could be whatever gender you want it to be,
and just like, a theatrical version of it.
- Yeah, the art form of drag has, you know,
it's always evolving, always ever-changing.
I mean, when club kids first came around,
you know, now it's cool, but back then
it was like, "This isn't a drag, that's not
what it's about!", you know, so there's always
gonna be, like any art movement,
that's gonna challenge the norms.
So, I'm not inventing the wheel.
I'm not saying what I'm doing is that different,
but there's a lot of people that are very challenged
by what I'm doing, and I implore discussion, I like it.
There's a lot of people that just don't get it,
and I'm like, how is it that you can get it in October?
You can get what I do in one month of the year,
but you don't get it any other time?
- [Annie] So how do you explain that,
how do you tell them what you do?
- I go, "Okay, so what's your favorite Disney character?"
And all the time, they're like, "Maleficent!"
And they always tell me all these things,
and I'm like, well, that's literally
what I'm inspired by.
I'm inspired by Disney villains,
'cause a lot of the time they were often queer coded.
- [Annie] Mmm hmm.
- Like, Scar was fucking gay, and all these people
were very fem, and I know that was cinema's way
of depicting gay as negative, but to queer people,
we're like, that's ours now, and that's just
what I gravitated to as a kid.
So, that's kind of like what Andro Gin is,
it's a cartoon villain.
[Jaxx] So I'm like-- [Annie] I love it!
- "If you like Rasputin and Hades
and all these people, then how can you not like me?"
is pretty much what I tell them.
(Annie laughs)
and they're like, "Tea, okay."
- Oh my gosh, I love it.
- Yeah, even HIM, like how was it
that every gay person can like HIM,
from Powerpuff Girls,
(Annie gasps)
but you can't get what I do?
- [Annie] Oh my gosh.
(Jaxx stammers)
- He was the scariest villain, and
motherfuck--, sorry, (laughs) - Yeah. (laughs)
- wore stripper heels and a tutu,
but that's cool, that's fine.
- Oh my gosh.
- And of course, you know, now, by today's standards,
that wouldn't fly, but back then
that was like, revolutionary, almost.
- Why wouldn't that fly to--? I don't understand.
- Because, I mean, the idea of a gay person being
a demon, that would be like--
- Mmm, right, right, right, right, right.
- It wouldn't-- - I didn't see it,
I didn't see it like that, for some reason.
I was like, yeah, we need to stop demonizing
gay people. - Alright, close your eyes.
Right, but back then, the fact that there were
no queer cartoon characters like that,
even though he wasn't explicitly queer, we all knew.
- [Annie] Mmm hmm.
- It was still like,
pretty forward for the time. - Yeah.
- So that's where I draw my inspiration from,
where those characters that, you know,
cinema wanted us to hate, but we ended up loving.
- [Annie] Mmm hmm.
- [Jaxx] 'Cause it was like, you know what,
you want us to be mad by this, I get it,
but we're not going to be,
(Annie laughs) is kind of what
the consensus was.
- Well, there has to be just, a balance, of representation.
Like, I think, we have that disabled villain trope,
too, which is like, - Yeah.
- if they, you know, have a deformity,
or they have an eye patch, or Captain Hook,
who's got a hook for a hand. - Right!
I didn't even think about it like that.
- It's like, if they're disabled,
then they're a villain, but like,
I think disabled villains are cool.
- Yeah
- But, they can't be all the representation that we have.
- Right.
- Anybody who's like, not living in a diverse community,
the only experience they have is through media.
- Right.
- So, if they constantly see us as like,
scary monsters, then they're gonna think
we really are scary
monsters all the time. - I'm gonna be problematic
and say, I love it.
(Annie laughs)
- Just do it. - No, honestly--
- Be afraid, be afraid of me. (laughs)
(Jaxx laughing)
- No, it's just, I love Halloween.
So, no, I get it, that for the masses,
that shouldn't be the only thing,
but as someone who loved spooky shit as a kid,
I was like, "How is every movie me as a villain?
I love this!"
(Annie laughs)
I was getting me in every Disney movie.
'Cause I always wanted to be the bad guy.
It wasn't fun being the Simbas.
- Right.
- I wanted to frickin' have an army of hyenas.
(Annie laughs)
That's what I wanted.
I wanted to cast curses. - Oh my god.
- And, you know, do all that shit.
Like, I just, that was always my aesthetic.
So, I'm just the worst person. (laughs)
- And now you're living the dream.
- Literally like, but that's the beauty of drag.
It's the quote of living your fantasy.
You can take that to the nth degree.
It's literally living your fantasy.
Like, I wanted to be that as a kid,
and now I get to do that on a stage and perform it.
- It's beautiful.
- That's the beauty of drag.
- [Annie] What are your least favorite
misconceptions about being a drag king?
- There are several, but to touch on a few,
I think some of the ones that really irk me
are that, we're boring, or that we don't belong,
when drag kings have been around since the late 1800s.
But, so there's people that simultaneously think
masculine, masculine drag is boring,
but then they come to me saying,
why aren't you masculine enough?
So, it's like, nothing drag kings do is right,
or correct, and we're always faced under--
um, put under, rather...
a harsher microscope, and like,
I have to be three times as good to get half as far.
Like, the only reason why I get the credit I do,
is because people think I'm a cis man out of drag,
which at first made me feel good,
but then there's that immediate response
I feel after that's like, "Wait, hold on, why?
'cause you don't think a woman is as entertaining,
or a trans man isn't as entertaining, on stage?"
AFAB bodies are so, like, critiqued and just not
as welcome in queer spaces, when we've
always occupied them, we've always been around,
and I'm just glad to be part of a movement
of kings that are demanding that space,
and forcing people to like us, 'cause our art is that good.
(Spooky Time instrumental music plays)
- [Ducky] Just wait till you see how bad I am at this.
(Annie laughs)
- That's great, I love me a good
hand cam, I love me a good shaky cam,
I love me a good 90s cam, some like,
Blair Witch Project cam (laughs).
- You put a disclaimer that Ducky
was behind the camera, everything
will make sense. - Yes, I'm gonna do
Ducky Cam. - Yeah.
- In the little corner. - Yeah.
(Annie laughs)
- What else should I add, babe?
(Annie laughs)
- [Ducky] Yeah.
- It's a voluminous now, and it was in a knot,
so it's gonna be wavy.
(fun, eerie music)
[Annie] So dark!
- What hinges creak, - Oh my God, yes, please.
in doorless chambers, - Ohhh.
- and strange and frightening sounds
echo through the halls.
- (gasps) Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, the neck.
oh my God, yes.
- I'm glad you like it.
- Oh my God.
Alright, so we're gonna take some pictures of this,
so you can see the whole thing, but it looks so amazing.
I feel so good.
Jaxx is amazing.
Please let people know where they can follow you.
- Yeah, so on Instagram you can follow me
at androginking, which is A-N-D-R-O-G-I-N,
I don't know how to spell my own name,
- K-I-N-G, and Tumblr at jaxxgarcia.tumblr.com,
and Twitter at jaxxgarcia, and yeah.
- Yeah, oh my God, okay, yeah,
I'm gonna link them in the description, anyways,
so you guys - Awesome.
- don't have to memorize that,
and I'll probably edit it in the text,
don't worry about it.
- Sure.
- And that's it, thank you so much
for everything! - Anytime, thank you
for having me here. - It was so fun!
Alright, and I will see you all, eventually.
Bye!
(Jaxx imitates kisses)
(upbeat rock music)
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