JUDGE LAKE: You may be seated.
RON: Hello, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Hello.
This case of Kryger Lee v. Dittmer.
JUDGE LAKE: Thank you, Ron. Good day everyone.
AUDIENCE: Good day.
Ms. Kryger, you say that your mother's ex-boyfriend,
Mr. Dittmer has denied that you're his daughter
for much of the past 34 years,
due to his anger over paying child support.
Now, you and your mother have brought him here to prove
that he is your biological father, is that correct?
Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Dittmer, you say you accidentally agreed
to pay child support for Ms. Kryger
and you claim that you never believed
she was your daughter,
because her mother, Ms. Lee cheated on you
throughout your 12-year relationship.
Is that correct?
Yes, Your Honor.
I got duped into paying child support, Your Honor.
They sent certified mail to my mother's house,
and I wasn't there, I was in Colorado.
And when the certified mail came,
my stepdad signed it.
So they held court without me,
and found me in default because I wasn't there.
Well, anyways,
when I came back from Colorado,
it was something I was running from the law from...
I paid my bond to get out of jail,
and after I paid my bond to get out of jail,
they said, you ain't going nowhere,
'cause a friend of the court has a hold on you.
And so I had to pay three more $100 to get out of jail,
and when I went and talked to the court clerk,
the court clerk told me that by paying the $300,
that I admitted guilt.
And I got stuck paying child support
for the rest of Jamie's life, yes.
And you don't believe she's your biological child?
DITTMER: I do have my doubts.
Your Honor, I have pictures right here
that will prove without a doubt...
Let me see that evidence, please, Ron.
Yes, ma'am.
Thank you.
These are pictures of...
Jamie as a baby.
Jamie as a little girl...
Yes.
The next picture is?
LEE: Mr. Dittmer as a boy.
Mr. Dittmer.
And you believe they look exactly alike?
LEE: Look at them, yeah.
How can he deny her?
Do you see the similarity?
Not really, Your Honor.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
Ms. Lee, were you intimate with anyone else?
Yes, I was.
But at that time, I was not.
I was very close to his family,
I met him when I was 14, Your Honor.
His family was my family.
It's okay, take your time.
Everybody, when their baby's born,
compare and say how much they look like me
and my dad's family also.
So, how could they look like me,
if I have a different dad,
and that's from my dad's side of the family.
Your Honor, the older two children
have blue eyes and blonde hair,
Jamie's always had darker hair with a hazel brown...
And you never claim them
or paid child support on them, why?
Well, because you didn't...
Tag them and you never had me...
If you were a man and responsible,
you would have signed the birth certificate.
I didn't want the children in the first place.
She was the one that wanted marriage and babies,
marriage and babies.
Yeah, I did.
She stop taking the pill
and got pregnant, Your Honor...
And had the first child.
Yes, I did.
I sure did.
She tricked me.
Again.
She's been tricking me my whole life, I think.
KRYGER: My mom's parents died when she was two,
her grandma got sick and passed away
and that's how my older sister came along.
She felt she needed something...
Closer to her,
and so she admits to tricking him
but she was also very young.
Very, very young.
And I've been on my own, since I was pregnant. (SNIFFS)
How long did this relationship go on?
Twelve years, 13 years, I don't know.
JUDGE LAKE: You have two older children.
LEE: Yes.
But you're denying Jamie, Ms. Kryger?
She's the one that looks different
than the older children.
The older children have blonde hair, blue eyes,
Jamie has dark hair, hazel brown eyes.
The older children are more athletic...
JUDGE LAKE: Well, every child is different.
Well, why would she trick me
into paying child support like that, Your Honor?
I mean, I wasn't even at the hospital
when Jamie was born.
You most certainly were.
No, I wasn't.
Oh, my God, really?
No, I was not.
That upsets you Ms. Lee, you don't...
Because he doesn't...
He's lying, Your Honor.
No, I'm not.
Is he on her birth certificate?
No, he's not.
He took me to the hospital.
I don't remember that, Your Honor.
You don't remember?
I don't recall that.
When I was younger, I did do a lot of drinking,
but I still don't recall that.
I don't remember her.
And why would she trick me into paying child support?
Why would she send certified mail to my mother's house,
when she knows I'm in Colorado?
I didn't do it.
The State did it.
'Cause I had to get help raising my three kids alone.
Well, I just know it happened.
Ms. Kryger, when did you find out that
Mr. Dittmer was denying he was your biological father?
Um... In 2007,
I stayed with him for a month before I got my place.
At first, it was just all of a sudden
I was hearing all this, how I wasn't his kid and I just
kind of backed off, but...
I have always been raised with him as my father.
Before he moved to Monroe, he used to occasionally come by
and visit us outside,
'cause he wasn't allowed in the house...
Because of my stepdad.
DITTMER: No, Your Honor.
I fought for two years
to get visitation to see these children,
I went through referees,
I went through mediators,
she kept saying that I would kidnap the kids,
that she'd never see them again.
It took me two years to get visitation.
And then they gave me supervised visitations...
No. It was your drinking, like you said earlier.
Yeah.
I wasn't gonna let my little children
go with you drunk,
and have you driving with them drunk.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
So, Mr. Dittmer,
if you didn't think
Ms. Kryger was your biological child,
why the visits?
Well, Your Honor, it was just doubts.
Because her mother
was messing around with another fella
about the time that Jamie was conceived.
I believe, a couple of fellas.
No, I was not, Your Honor.
Yes, you were.
I had been going to church, Your Honor, with his mother,
and I had given my life to the Lord
and that is how it happened,
'cause I went off the pill, I said I'm not getting...
I'm not having sex again until I'm married.
He knew this.
He knew I was not on protection.
She's acting like a born again virgin or something.
That's not true, Your Honor.
No.
Tell me what happened?
You all were together, but...
She's always slept with other people, Your Honor.
There was a couple of people that I know for sure,
her best friend...
You have as well.
Her best friend's folks told me
she was messing around with this guy,
about the time that Jamie was conceived.
So, yes, she was messing around.
That's a lie.
No, it's not.
JUDGE LAKE: Now, this is unfortunate, Ms. Kryger,
Jamie, that you have to hear any of it.
KRYGER: From what I hear,
my mom's admitted it was,
but it was the sister before me
but he doesn't deny her
and he always gripes about
how he had to pay child support on me.
JUDGE LAKE: And that leads you to believe that it's about the money?
Yes, that why...
DITTMER: Your Honor, the child support's been paid.
I've got the final payment right here,
I'd like to present it to the court...
JUDGE LAKE: I'd like to see that.
I ended up talking to the attorney
for the friend of the court,
and I settled with him.
They said I owed $13,000 at that time,
and he said that only $3000 was owed in child support,
that the rest of it was administrative fees,
interest...
And surcharges.
Yes.
And we settled for half of that
and so I paid it off to get it off my back,
so they'd leave me alone.
So you pay the amount of $6500...
Yes, ma'am.
To settle your child support debt...
Yes, ma'am.
JUDGE LAKE: Because you had so many arrears,
a $3000 child support debt...
Well, they kept chasing me down,
they want to throw me in jail all the time,
and they kept threatening me.
Every time I'd get a job, they'd want money, you know.
They hounded me forever.
As you can see, that's back in '07
that I finished paying it off.
So it's been a while.
As far as I'm concerned,
I've always treated Jamie like my own,
always treated her as my daughter,
I go down there, I cut her grass,
whatever she asks me to do.
She came to me one time, she wanted a car.
I helped her buy a car.
She said, "Dad, I'll pay you back."
She sold the car, I never seen a dime.
You know, I mean...
JUDGE LAKE: So Ms. Kryger, I see when you listen to this,
you look emotional.
Yeah, there has been so many instances that...
He's helped me some,
but he's also gripe the whole way though.
He told my daughters that I wasn't his,
and I had to hear about it, which is pretty embarrassing.
No, I never told her...
JUDGE LAKE: What happened?
He told my middle child's dad.
You guys were drinking,
yes, but still...
If you said it then you feel it
and you shouldn't be telling my people
that are my friends and stuff.
If it's one thing to say it to me.
Say it to somebody else, that's just...
Disrespecting, belittling to me,
makes me feel less welcome.
I got in a bad car accident, lost my job.
I did a lot of struggling,
he did help me for a couple of years,
when I had my middle child,
I thought for Christmas, maybe I'll get $100,
20 bucks, like I usually get.
I gave her money every year for Christmas, Your Honor.
She comes over...
$20, she just said it.
No, more than that.
I got $25.
JUDGE LAKE: Well, I mean the fact that he's giving you something.
I mean, let's be honest.
You all are accusing him of being about the money,
the fact that he had to pay money for child support.
I mean, he's paid the child support,
he's even paid it off.
The fact that he's even
also giving you money on top of that,
seems to be...
KRYGER: He didn't, though, right away.
Like, when I was little, I asked...
I even gave her daughter money for Christmas,
to my granddaughter.
But isn't this about more than money, really?
I mean, how did you feel?
Did you feel like you were his biological child,
or did you feel like he treated you differently?
KRYGER: I always...
I mean, I always did for the longest time,
but then as I became an adult then he's telling all this.
My mom cheated on him,
probably his cousins.
He's telling me this and that...
Wait, he said you might be his cousin's child?
Yeah, he told me that
my mom cheated on him with one of his cousins
and he didn't start doing things for me
for Christmas till way later.
Like I found out the gifts
that I did receive when I was a child,
like, he did pay for it, but it was my grandma,
the moti... Was the motivation driving force.
He wouldn't even file his taxes,
'cause he didn't want my mom getting money.
He always was griping,
he didn't want her having the money.
So, beyond money,
I feel like that's all we're talking about today.
Money, money.
Your Honor...
It's because her mother is greedy.
I mean, when Jamie lived with a lady
on the next street, behind her mother,
the child support check went to the next street over
and her mother got upset.
JUDGE LAKE: What I'm trying to get at, Ms. Kryger,
beyond the money,
I mean, this has had to affect you.
And I see the tears in your eyes.
As if she had so much in her heart to say,
but she's almost been like
brainwashed, hypnotized, programmed.
Anything that comes out of her mouth,
was how much money?
And this isn't about money.
A child has no clue about money,
and they shouldn't.
That's not what you should be concerned with.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
When you were younger,
did you feel like you were treated differently?
He never denied my other sisters,
but he never paid a dime on them.
So that's why it seems like it's kind of money.
And then when he did help me...
He'd always be griping.
"I don't even know if I'm yours but I just gave you $20
"to help you buys some diapers and..."
So, it got to the point where
why ask him for help, I mean,
he's just got it in the back of his mind,
I'm not his kid.
It makes me feel worthless and like...
It's a lot of emotional abuse,
and that's what sticks with you and that's what stays.
That's what I wanted you to be able to say out loud.
And you don't have to feel ashamed,
to say to two adult people.
And you're an adult now.
It's embarrassing when...
Somebody comes at the house,
oh yeah, your dad said he ain't even your dad.
Of course it is.
I mean, I know he said he's had his doubts,
but to go tell other people?
And then, my daughter's dad at that.
I mean, come on.
And now I think you've just had a moment
to be able to verbalize
how that's affected you.
When was the first time you ever even got wind of this?
Your Honor, that was my fault.
I was drinking one time,
and I was mad, 'cause I was paying support
and I told Jamie that she may not be my child.
How old was she?
I think it was around the time he was settling child support,
because I moved by him in 2007.
When he said he was drinking
and he said he realizes he shouldn't have said that.
But he says,
"I'm not even your father. I'm not..."
What was your response?
I was pretty shocked
the first time I heard it.
Did you ask your mom about it?
I think the first person I called,
was my grandma.
DITTMER: Which is my mother.
She was my rock, she meant a lot to me.
You know, somebody asked me,
"What if he wasn't your father?"
My grandma was my everything, you know.
And you feel like if he's not
your biological father, in a way,
you lose the connection you felt
like you had with your grandmother?
Yes. A lot to deal with.
It's an emotional...
Little roller coaster.
This is very emotional.
(KRYGER SNIFFLES)
This is deep-seated.
You're 34 years old now.
KRYGER: Yeah.
You know, I'm so
thankful that you had the courage
to come in here today.
Because what you've spoken about is not easy.
This is your day in court.
When people have their day in court,
it's just time to lay it on the line.
So I think the only way
that we can truly move forward in this moment,
is to get the results. Are you ready?
Yeah.
Thank you.
Ron, I'm ready for the result.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
These results were prepared by DNA Diagnostics
and they read as follows.
In the case of Kryger Lee v. Dittmer,
when it comes to...
34-year-old, Jamie Kryger,
it has been determined by this court...
JUDGE LAKE: Mr. Dittmer...
You are her father.
(AUDIENCE APPLAUDS)
Oh...
How do you feel now that you know for sure,
he's your biological father?
I never had any doubts.
It's just been dealing with all this.
And Mr. Dittmer,
how do you feel?
I feel kind of relieved, Your Honor,
I'm glad that she is,
but her mother put such a doubt on my mind back then,
she was always messing around, you know. I mean...
No, I was not, during conception.
Oh, yes, you were.
I was not.
I was going to church at the time.
Yeah, I know, a born again virgin.
And dedicated all three girls
to Christ at that point.
Okay, so I can see that you all need some counseling.
And that's a fact.
(SOBBING)
I say it to people,
"The truth is our starting point,
"it's a seed planted
"and you gotta water with communication
"and forgiveness, love, respect."
I will give you this Mr. Dittmer,
I mean, I've been a family attorney for many, many years.
And...
What a man goes through
as he struggles to pay child support,
can be a very difficult road.
And I should be clear, not just men pay child support,
women do too.
And to do all of that,
without knowing for certain, in your mind and heart,
that this is your biological child,
because you were named the father by default,
is a very real burden to carry.
But, boy, she had to live
with a lot of turmoil because of this,
for no reason, 'cause she is your daughter.
So we have counseling and resources for you all.
We want you to take advantage of it.
I wish you all the very best of luck.
Court is adjourned.
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