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>> IAN: TONIGHT, WE LOOK AT THE
ISSUE OF SPEECH IN CANADIAN
UNIVERSITY CLASSROOMS.
WHERE SOME PEOPLE THINK SOME
IDEAS ARE TOO DANGEROUS.
>> ANDREW: THE PRIME MINISTER
APOLOGIZES TO THOSE IN
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR WHO
EXPERIENCED THE HORROR OF
RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS.
>> IAN: WE BEGIN WITH A MASS
KILLING AT AN EGYPTIAN MOSQUE.
IN A COUNTRY THAT HAS SEEN SO
MUCH VIOLENCE, TODAY'S ATTACK
WAS ONE OF THE WORST.
IT STARTED WITH AN EXPLOSION ON
FRIDAY PRAYERS THAT SHOOK THE
MOSQUE FULL OF PEOPLE.
AND SENT THEM RUNNING FOR THEIR
LIVES.
IMAGINE THEIR HORROR AS THEY
CAME RIGHT INTO THE PATH OF
DOZENS OF MILITANTS WAITING FOR
THEM WITH GUNS POINTED STRAIGHT
AT THEM.
AT LEAST 235 PEOPLE WERE KILLED.
MORE THAN 100 WERE INJURED.
THEY CAME FROM OUTSIDE, SAID
THIS MAN, WOUNDED BY THE
GUNFIRE.
THEY DESTROYED EVERYTHING.
HOSPITALS STILL SO OVERWHELMED
TONIGHT, SOME OF THE INJURED
HAVE BEEN LEFT TO WAIT OUTSIDE
UNTIL THEY CAN BE TREATED BY
DOCTORS.
>>> THE TOWN WHERE THIS HAPPENED
IS MORE THAN 200 KILOMETRES FROM
CAIRO.
BIR al-ABD IS IN NORTHERN SINAI.
THE TARGET OF OTHER TERROR
ATTACKS WHERE JOURNALISTS HAVE
NOT BEEN ALLOWED IN FOR YEARS.
THE WORLD RELIES ON WITNESSES.
ONE MAN HORRIFIED BY THE SCENE
SAID HE HELPED GATHER
THE BODIES OF AT LEAST 25
CHILDREN.
THE CBC'S
NAHLAH AYED HAS MORE ON THE
ATTACK AND THE RESPONSE.
>> REPORTER: IT IS ONE OF
EGYPT'S DEADLIEST ATTACKS IN
RECENT MEMORY.
THE HUSH OF A MOSQUE FULL OF
PEOPLE GATHERED FOR FRIDAY
PRAYERS SHATTERED, FIRST BY AN
EXPLOSION, ACCORDING TO
WITNESSES, AND THEN AS PEOPLE
TRIED TO GET AWAY, ATTACKERS IN
MILITARY UNIFORM OPENED FIRE AND
AGAIN, IT WAS WITNESSES WHO
REPORTED THE USE OF AUTOMATIC
WEAPONS AND EVEN ON THE
AMBULANCES THERE TO HELP.
EVERYONE WAS BUMPING INTO ONE
ANOTHER, BUT I WAS ABLE TO MAKE
OUT MASKED MEN WEARING MILITARY
CLOTHING, HE SAID.
IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT THE
AUTHORITIES HAVE BARRED MEDIA
FROM THE AREA.
AT THE SAME TIME
IT HAS SEEN A GROWING NUMBER OF
MILITANT ATTACKS IN YEARS.
THE FEW IMAGES AND INFORMATION
ON THIS LATEST ATTACK CAME
EITHER FROM OFFICIAL SOURCES OR
LOCAL WITNESSES AND SOCIAL
MEDIA.
FOR YEARS, THE EGYPTIAN FORCES
HAVE STRUGGLED TO CONTAIN AN
INSURGENCY IN THE AREA INVOLVING
SEVERAL MILITANT GROUP.
-- GROUPS.
ONE ISIS AFFILIATE IN PARTICULAR
HAS
CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR
SEVERAL ATTACKS.
MOSTLY ON SECURITY FORCES.
THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THE
ATTACK WAS ON A MOSQUE.
WE HAVE SEEN MILITANTS TARGET
CHURCHES IN EGYPT, BUT RARELY
MOSQUES.
IT IS NOT CLEAR WHY THIS MOSQUE,
ALTHOUGH
SOME SPECULATE IT IS BECAUSE
WORSHIPERS BELONG TO AN ORDER OF
ISLAM WHICH SOME EXTREMISTS VIEW
AS...
IN A SPEECH TO THE NATION
EL-SISSI PROMISED REVENGE.
WE WILL RESPOND WITH BRUTAL
STRENGTH TO RETALIATE AGAINST
THE TERRORIST EXTREMISTS, HE
SAID.
SHORTLY AFTERWARD, THE SECURITY
FORCES CONDUCTED AIR STRIKES IN
THE AREA.
THEY ALSO STEPPED UP SECURITY,
INCLUDING AT THE CAIRO AIRPORT.
THE COUNTRY NOW OBSERVES THREE
DAYS OF MOURNING.
NAHLAH AYED, CBC NEWS, BEIRUT.
>> IAN: SOME CANADIANS KNOW THIS
PART OF THE SINAI WELL.
IT IS WHERE CANADA HAS HAD
THE LARGEST PEACEKEEPING FORCE.
INVOLVING 68 CANADIAN SOLDIERS.
THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY ATTACKS
BY THE ISLAMIC STATE IN THE
REGION, THE CANADIAN COMMANDER
HAD TO MOVE MUCH OF THE
OPERATION FURTHER SOUTH.
NOT ALL OF IT, THOUGH.
AND DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY CBC
SHOW THE SINAI MISSION STILL
WORRIES CANADIAN COMMANDERS.
HERE IS WHY.
THERE IS A FULL SCALE
INSURGENCY SINCE 2013.
AND EGYPT CANNOT REALLY CONTROL
IT.
ONE GROUP IS PARTICULARLY
VICIOUS THERE.
SINAI PROVINCE, AFFILIATED WITH
ISIS.
THAT IS THE GROUP THAT SAYS IT
BROUGHT DOWN A RUSSIAN PLANE
IN 2015
WITH MORE THAN 200 TOURISTS
ONBOARD.
TIPLY -- TYPICALLY,
IT WENT AFTER EGYPTIAN POLICE
AND MILITARY, KILLING HUNDREDS
OF THEM.
WORSHIPPING MUSLIMS, SUFIS COULD
BE TARGETED MAYBE SHOULD NOT
SURPRISE.
EXTREMIST GROUPS LIKE ISIS AND
AL-QAEDA ACCUSE SUFIS OF
BEING IDOL WORSHIPERS, NOT REAL
MUSLIMS.
IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, IN AN
ISIS MAGAZINE, THERE WAS AN
ELABORATE PLOT TO ERADICATE
SUFIS IN THE SINAI.
CALLING THEM A DISEASE.
THAT IS THE MOSQUE ATTACK TODAY.
IT WAS FULL OF WORKERS FROM A
SALT PROCESSING COMPANY AND
LOCAL POLICE OFFICERS IN THE
MIDDLE OF FRIDAY PRAYERS.
FOR A VILLAGE OF LESS THAN 1,000
PEOPLE, NO HOME WILL HAVE BEEN
SPARED.
SUPPORT FOR EGYPT IS COMING IN
FROM AROUND THE WORLD.
CANADA CONDEMNS THIS ATTACK AND
STANDS SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH
THE PEOPLE OF EGYPT IN THIS
DIFFICULT TIME, THE PRIME
MINISTER SAID IN A STATEMENT.
THE EIFFEL TOWER TURNED THE
LIGHTS OFF TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THE
VICTIMS.
AND FOR THE MAYOR OF TEL AVIV,
CONDOLENCES TO OUR FRIENDS
ACROSS THE BORDER HE SAID WITH
THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING LIT UP
LIKE THE EGYPTIAN FLAG.
>>> AGAIN, ANDREW, IT BEARS
REPEATING THE DEATH TOLL AT THIS
POINT AND OF COURSE IT MAY WELL
GO UP, 235 PEOPLE.
>> ANDREW: STAGGERING NUMBER.
THE MEANTIME, THE BIG STORY HERE
IN THIS COUNTRY, JUSTIN TRUDEAU
APOLOGIZED TODAY FOR DECADES OF
ABUSE AND ISOLATION SUFFERED BY
INDIGENOUS PEOPLE IN
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR.
AS CHILDREN, THEY WERE TORN FROM
THEIR FAMILIES AND FORCED TO
LIVE IN RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS.
>> PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN
TRUDEAU: IT IS MY HOPE THAT IN
APOLOGIZING TODAY, IN
ACKNOWLEDGING THE PAST, AND
ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS THAT AS A
COUNTRY, WE WILL CONTINUE TO
ADVANCE ON THE PATH OF
RECONCILIATION TOGETHER.
>> ANDREW: CANADA HAS ALREADY
APOLOGIZED TO RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL
SURVIVORS.
BUT WHEN STEPHEN HARPER DID SO
IN 2008, HE DELIBERATELY LEFT
OUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE FROM
NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR.
SCHOOLS THERE HAD ALREADY BEEN
ESTABLISHED BEFORE THEY WERE
EVEN A PART OF CANADA.
YET, EVEN NOW, SOME REJECT
TRUDEAU'S GESTURE.
YESTERDAY, THE INNU NATION SAID
IT WOULD NOT BE TAKING PART IN
THE CEREMONY AND STILL OTHERS
STRUGGLED TO DECIDE IS SORRY
REALLY ENOUGH ALL THESE YEARS
LATER.
HERE IS DAVID COCHRANE WITH THE
HEART OF THE STORY.
>> EVERYTHING
HAPPENED TO LITTLE CHILDREN.
THEY WERE EVIL.
WE ARE GOING TO MAKE YOU WHITE.
OKAY.
LET'S DO IT.
>> ARE YOU ALL RIGHT?
>> YEAH.
I HAVE TO DO IT.
>> WHAT IS GOING THROUGH YOUR
MIND?
>> JUST BAD MEMORIES.
>> Reporter: JIMMY TWOTALK WAS
BROUGHT
TO NORTHWEST RIVER IN 1969 WHEN
HE WAS JUST 9 YEARS OLD.
HE RAN AWAY BY THE TIME HE WAS
11.
>> INTERVIEW: I GOT TIRED OF
SEEING THE ABUSE, BEING ABUSED
ON A WEEKLY BASIS, YOU KNOW,
THEY
KEEP YOU QUIET IN THE BATHROOM,
PUT THE DAMP WET FACE CLOTH IN
YOUR MOUTH.
YOU COULDN'T SCREAM.
>> REPORTER: HE IS READY TO
ACCEPT THE PRIME MINISTER'S
APOLOGY.
TO HEAL.
TO MOVE ON.
BUT NOT EVERYONE IS.
TOBY OBED SPEARHEADED THE FIGHT
FOR THE APOLOGY AND TWO DAYS
BEFORE THE PRIME MINISTER WOULD
APOLOGIZE FROM THIS STAGE, HE
DID NOT KNOW IF HE WOULD ACCEPT
IT.
>> I WILL BE WALKING OUT THE
DOOR.
>> YOU WOULD WALK OUT?
IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT HE SAID?
>> YEAH.
I WILL WALK OUT THAT DOOR.
>> REPORTER: OBED WAS TAKEN TO
THAT SCHOOL IN NORTHWEST RIVER
WHEN HE WAS JUST 3 YEARS OLD.
BY THE AGE OF 6, HE WAS FENDING
OFF ABUSERS AND MOLESTERS.
>> INTERVIEW: EMOTIONAL ABUSE,
MENTAL ABUSE, SEXUAL ABUSE.
I HAVE BEEN LIVING WITH ALL
THAT, ALL THAT GARBAGE FOR ALL
THESE YEARS.
>> REPORTER: AFTER RESIDENTIAL
SCHOOL, OBED WENT THROUGH A
STRING OF FOSTER HOMES.
BY 16, HE WAS AN ALCOHOLIC.
IN HIS 20S, HE PASSED OUT ON A
MINUS 50 NIGHT AND LOST BOTH
FEET AND HIS LEFT HAND TO
FROSTBITE.
HE STILL DRINKS.
HE TRIED TO STOP.
HE SAID HE CAN'T.
>> Interview: I WILL QUIT WHEN I
AM READY.
UNTIL THEN, I WILL KEEP
DRINKING.
>> REPORTER: TOBY'S SUPPORTERS
INCLUDE INUIT NATIONAL LEADER
NATAN
OBED.
NATAN AND TOBY ARE COUSINS.
NATAN IS THE OTHER OLDER BOY IN
THIS PICTURE.
NATAN'S FATHER IS ONE OF MORE
THAN 100 RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL
SURVIVORS WHO DIED WITHOUT
EVER
HEARING ANYBODY SAY THEY WERE
SORRY.
ANOTHER OF MANY BROKEN THINGS
LEFT IN NEED OF REPAIR.
>> INTERVIEW: NOTHING CAN BRING
BACK HIS CHILDHOOD.
NOTHING WILL TAKE AWAY THE
MEMORIES OF ABUSE OR THE -- I
THINK THE RESTLESSNESS THAT HE
HAD THROUGHOUT HIS WHOLE LIFE
WHO HE WAS AND HOW HE FIT INTO
HIS COMMUNITY OR EVEN INTO
SOCIETY.
BUT AN APOLOGY TO SAY THAT IT
WAS WRONG, THAT HE COULD
INTERNALIZE AND IDENTIFY WITH, I
THINK WOULD HAVE BEEN
VERY
MEANINGFUL.
>> OH, MY GOD.
>> AMAZING.
>> REPORTER: FINALLY THE DAY IS
HERE.
TOBY HAS MADE IT.
THAT IS A GOOD SIGN.
BUT IN THE MINUTES LEADING UP TO
THE CEREMONY, HE LEAVES THE
AUDITORIUM.
HE IS NOT STORMING OUT.
HE IS HEADED BACKSTAGE TO A
NARROW HALLWAY FOR A PRIVATE
MEETING.
EXCLUDED BY ONE PRIME MINISTER,
EMBRACED BY ANOTHER.
>> WE ARE HERE TOGETHER.
>> YEP.
IT IS REAL.
>> PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN
TRUDEAU: YEAH.
>> IT IS REALLY, REALLY
HAPPENING.
>> PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN
TRUDEAU: IT IS REALLY HAPPENING.
>> REPORTER: FINALLY THE
CEREMONY BEGINS AND THE HUNDREDS
OF OTHER SURVIVORS IN THE
AUDITORIUM GET THEIR MOMENT OF
APOLOGY.
>> PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN
TRUDEAU: WE ARE SORRY FOR NOT
APOLOGIZING SOONER.
FOR NOT RIGHTING THIS WRONG
BEFORE NOW.
>> REPORTER: THAT MOMENT
UNLOCKED YEARS OF SADNESS BEFORE
UNLEASHING CELEBRATION.
THEN, IT WAS TOBY OBED'S MOMENT
OF TRIUMPH.
>> WE DID IT.
>> REPORTER: DANCING ON
PROSTHETIC FEET, HIS FIGHT OVER.
HIS DOUBT GONE.
>> BECAUSE I COME -- I ACCEPT
THE APOLOGY FROM THE GOVERNMENT
OF CANADA.
WE GOT OUR APOLOGY.
>> REPORTER: FROM THE AUDIENCE,
JIMMY SOAKS IT IN.
46 YEARS AFTER RUNNING AWAY FROM
THAT SCHOOL.
HE HAS FOUND PEACE AND A HOME.
>> I AM PROUD TO BE INUIT.
LABRADOR INUIT.
AND JUST AS PROUD TO BE A
CANADIAN.
>> Andrew: TOBY OBED WAS PART OF
THE $50 MILLION CLASS
ACTION SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATED
WITH THE GOVERNMENT LAST YEAR
AND IT INCLUDED GRIM
CALCULATIONS.
A PERSON'S PAYOUT CHANGED
DEPENDING HOW OFTEN ABUSED AND
HOW BADLY.
OBED RECEIVED THE MAXIMUM
COMPENSATION FOR ABUSE.
$200,000.
>> IAN: ARE THERE SOME TOPICS
TOO SENSITIVE FOR UNIVERSITY
CLASSROOM?
WHO GETS TO DECIDE?
THE QUESTIONS FOCUSSED ATTENTION
ON A UNIVERSITY IN WATERLOO,
ONTARIO.
ECHOING AN ISSUE ON CAMPUSS
HEARD ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THE LATEST FLASH POINT IN THE
DEBATE OVER FREE SPEECH.
>> IT IS A HORRIBLE SHAME TO SEE
THE UNIVERSITY DESCEND INTO
CENSOR SHIP AND PETTY POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS.
>> IAN: PEOPLE RALLIED IN
SUPPORT OF LINDSAY SHEPARD.
THE TEACHING ASSIST ANTS AT THE
CENTER OF
CONTROVERSY AT WILFRID LAURIER.
SHE SAID SHE NEVER CONSIDERED
HERSELF AN
ADVOCATE FOR FREE SPEECH UNTIL
NOW.
WE WILL HEAR FROM HER IN A
MOMENT.
FIRST
A LOOK HOW SHE WAS THRUST INTO
THE SPOTLIGHT FIRST.
SHEPHERD USED CLIPS OF THE
DEBATE FROM THE TV ONTARIO ABOUT
GENDER NEUTRAL PRONOUNS.
IT WAS PART OF A FIRST YEAR
COMMUNICATIONS CLASS.
AND IT INCLUDED CONTROVERSIAL
UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO PROFESSOR
JORDAN PETERSON.
>> I DON'T LIKE THE MADE UP
WORDS, ZE AND ZER.
AND THAT SORT OF THING.
>> THEY ARE NOT ALL MADE UP
WORDS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEY IS ONE OF
THEM.
>> WE CANNOT DISPENSE WITH
THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN
SINGULAR AND PLURAL.
>> IAN: A STUDENT COMPLAINED
ABOUT SHEPARD'S USE OF THE VIDEO
AND
WAS ACCUSED OF VIOLATING POLICY.
SHE MET WITH A SUPERVISOR AND A
ANOTHER PROFESSOR WHERE AMONG
OTHER THINGS, THE USE OF THE
VIDEO
IS COMPARED TO AIRING NAZI
PROPAGANDA...
>> Ian: SHEPHERD RECORDED THE
MEDIA AND RELEASED
AUDIO AND THE STORY BECAME
NATIONAL NEWS.
ON TUESDAY, THE SCHOOL'S
PRESIDENT APOLOGIZED TO HER
SAYING...
>>> THE UNIVERSITY CONTINUES TO
INVESTIGATE THIS, THAT IS NOT
ENOUGH FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE
WHO ATTENDED THAT RALLY TODAY.
RON CHARLES HEARD FROM THEM AND
SPOKE TO OTHERS WHO SAID THEIR
VOICES HAVE BEEN DROWNED OUT.
>> REPORTER: ON ONE SIDE OF THE
STREET NEXT TO WILFRID LAURIER,
THE FREE SPEECH RALLY IN SUPPORT
OF LINDSAY SHEPHERD.
>> ATTACK ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH
NEEDS TO GET OUT OF THE
CLASSROOMS AT LAURIER.
>> REPORTER: ON THE OTHER SIDE,
A LINE OF SILENT COUNTER
PROTESTERS WHO CALL THE DEBATE
SHEPHERD BROUGHT INTO HER
CLASSROOM AN ATTACK ON THEIR
VERY EXISTENCE.
>> INTERVIEW: WITHOUT
AUTOMATICALLY COMING TO ATTACK
US.
>> REPORTER: FOR THE LAURIER
STUDENT, THAT EXISTENCE IS BEING
IDENTIFIED BY THE GENDER NEUTRAL
PRONOUN THEY AND THEM INSTEAD OF
HE OR SHE.
>> YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE
DEFENSIVE, DEFENDING ON WHO WE
ARE AS PEOPLE.
WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE PEOPLE.
WHETHER WE EXIST.
IT IS VERY UPSETTING.
>> REPORTER: ACROSS THE STREET,
THE FREE SPEECH RALLY, SOMETIMES
BEING UPSET BY WHAT IS SAID IS
THE PRICE OF ACADEMIC FREEDOM
AND LEARNING ABOUT A DIVERSITY
OF VIEWS.
>> IT IS CLEAR THAT THE CULTURE
OF CODLING AND COMFORTING
STUDENTS HAS GONE TOO FAR.
>> REPORTER: ON THIS SIDE OF THE
STREET, A LONE TRANSGENDER
STUDENT CAME OUT IN SUPPORT OF
SHEPHERD.
>> WE NEED TO USE FREE SPEECH TO
SHOW OTHER PEOPLE AND DISCUSS
OPENLY WITH THEM,
REPRESENTFULLY.
I BELONG IN THE SOCIETY AS MUCH
AS YOU DO.
WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT OR
AGREE TO DISAGREE.
>> REPORTER: BUT TODAY, THE TWO
SIDES REMAINED SEPARATED BY THE
BUSY STREET.
RON CHARLES, CBC NEWS, WATERLOO,
ONTARIO.
>> IAN: AND LINDSAY SHEPHERD
JOINS US NOW.
IT IS A COUPLE OF WEEKS SINCE
THE STORY BROKE.
HOW HAS IT BEEN FOR YOU?
>> INTERVIEW: IT HAS BEEN
OVERWHELMING, BUT ALL HAS BEEN
WORTH IT.
>> IAN: A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO
CLAIM YOU AS THEIR'S.
SUPPORT FOR THEIR POINT OF VIEW.
YOU SAID EARLIER, YOU DON'T WANT
TO SEE
THIS AS A LEFT WING OR RIGHT
WING ISSUE.
HOW SHOULD WE LOOK AT THIS?
>> INTERVIEW: WE SHOULD SEE IT
AS FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION.
WHETHER ON A CAMPUS OR OTHERWISE
IS EVERYONE'S ISSUE.
I DON'T THINK EITHER SIDE OF A
POLITICAL SPECTRUM SHOULD BE
ABLE TO CLAIM IT FOR THEMSELVES.
>> IAN: WHEN YOU MADE THE
DECISION AS A TEACHING ASSISTANT
AND YOU ARE A MASTER STUDENT,
TO PLAY THE CLIP FROM TV
ONTARIO,
DID YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT IT
WOULD TURN INTO SUCH A
CONTENTIOUS THING.
>> INTERVIEW: I DID NOT.
YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE
DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD IN THE
CLASS, IT WAS SO INTELLIGENT AND
REFLECTIVE AND MATURE.
BUT I WAS SO SURPRISED TO KNOW
THAT ACTUALLY SOMEONE HAD A
SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH IT.
>> IAN: SOMEBODY, AT LEAST ONE
PERSON IN THAT CLASSROOM
COMPLAINED TO THE UNIVERSITY,
SAYING YOU VIOLATED THE POLICIES
AT THE UNIVERSITY.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE
ACCUSER AND THE ACCUSATION?
>> INTERVIEW: I KNOW ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE
COMPLAINED.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS SOMETHING
SPECIFIC THAT I SAID OR
SOMETHING IN THE CLIP OR
SOMETHING MAYBE THAT EVEN
SOMEONE IN THE CLASS SAID.
AND YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY, THE
RAINBOW CENTRE AT WILFRID
LAURIER UNIVERSITY IS DEMANDING
AN APOLOGY FROM ME.
BUT FIRST I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO
KNOW WHAT AM I APOLOGIZING FOR.
>> IAN: WHAT -- I MEAN YOU HAD A
LOT OF TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY WANT YOU
TO APOLOGIZE FOR?
>> INTERVIEW: I THINK IT IS JUST
THE FACT THAT A FIGURE, JORDAN
PETERSON, WAS IN THE CLIP AND IT
IS BY PROXY OF ME BRINGING THAT
FIGURE INTO THE CLASSROOM.
EVEN THOUGH OBVIOUSLY ALL OF US
HAVE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF US
THAT ARE MAYBE THINGS THAT SOME
PEOPLE AGREE WITH AND SOME
PEOPLE DON'T.
YOU KNOW, TO THINK THAT ONE
PERSON IS JUST POLARIZING NO
MATTER WHAT AND YOU HAVE TO BE
BANNED
FROM THE CLASSROOM IS
OUTRAGEOUS.
>> Ian: YOU MADE THE DECISION TO
TAPE THE MEETING YOU HAD WITH A
PROFESSOR AND SOMEONE ELSE ON
THE FACULTY AND THAT
IS WHAT CREATED SO MUCH
ATTENTION HERE.
IT IS A REMARKABLE, 45 MINUTE
MEETING TO LISTEN TO.
AND IN THAT MEETING YOU WERE
ACCUSED OF A LOT OF THINGS,
INCLUDING VIOLATING THE
CANADIAN HUMAN RIGHTS CODE, YOU
KIND OF STOOD YOUR GROUND.
IT WAS EMOTIONAL AT TIMES IN
THERE.
AND NOW THE UNIVERSITY HAS
APOLOGIZED TO YOU.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE
APOLOGY?
>> INTERVIEW: I DO APPRECIATE
THEIR APOLOGY.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THEY WERE
ON A ROUTE TO SELF DESTRUCTION
AND THEIR ONLY OPTION WAS TO
APOLOGIZE.
AND YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THE
APOLOGY, ALTHOUGH IT IS A STEP
IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, THEY
WERE KIND OF MAKING IT SEEM THAT
THIS WAS AN ISSUE OF MENTORSHIP
OR MAYBE I HAD NOT BEEN TRAINED
PROPERLY.
WHEN THAT IS SUCH A DISTRACTION
FROM THE REAL ISSUE.
WHICH IS THAT THIS WAS, YOU
KNOW, A 42 MINUTE MEETING BASED
ON THEM TELLING ME THAT I AM NOT
ALLOWED TO LET STUDENTS HAVE
CERTAIN VIEWS.
AND IT IS JUST OPPRESSION.
IT IS SILENCING.
>> IAN: YOU ARE A MASTERS
STUDENT IN YOUR EARLY 20S.
WHAT IS THE LESSON HERE FOR
INSTRUCTORS AND PROFESSORS AT
UNIVERSITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY?
>> INTERVIEW: IT IS THAT PEOPLE
REALLY CARE ABOUT FREEDOM OF
EXPRESSION AND FREEDOM OF
SPEECH.
AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE TOLD
WHAT TO THINK.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME TO
THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS.
THEY WANT TO CRITICALLY THINK.
AND ESPECIALLY STUDENTS WHO ARE
IN A UNIVERSITY AND THIS IS
THEIR TIME FOR PERSONAL AND
INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENT.
WE SHOULD LET THEM FIGURE OUT
THEIR OWN WAY.
>> IAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>> AS WE MENTIONED, LAURIER IS
NOT ALONE.
SOME ARGUE AT MANY UNIVERSITIES,
IT HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY
DIFFICULT FOR CERTAIN VIEWPOINTS
TO BE HEARD AT ALL.
>> THIS IS WHERE WE DRAW THE
LINE!
>> Ian: JORDAN PETERSON IN
PARTICULAR
HAS BEEN A DIVISIVE FIGURE.
SHOUTED DOWN BY PROTESTERS AT
MCMASTER UNIVERSITY.
>> IT WAS ABOUT 100 PEOPLE AND
THERE WERE ONLY ABOUT THREE
ABORIGINAL...
THERE IS A SHOCK.
>> Ian: SOMEONE
PULLED THE FIRE ALARM WHEN THEY
SPOKE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
TORONTO.
LAURIER CANCELLED AN APPEARANCE
BY ROBITAILLE, ONE OF THE
LAWYERS THAT REPRESENTED
GHOMESHI.
A STUDENT GROUP SAID HER
PRESENCE WOULD BE THREATENING
FOR SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS AND
THEY INTENDED TO DISRUPT THE
SPEECH.
IN VERMONT, STUDENTS TURNED
THEIR BACKS ON CONTROVERSIAL
AUTHOR CHARLES MURRAY, DROWNING
OUT THE PLANNED DEBATE.
AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN
CALIFORNIA WHEN A BURKELY
STUDENT GROUP INVITED AN ALT
RIGHT FIGURE TO SPEAK.
THERE IS PUSH BACK AND IT IS
CONTROVERSIAL.
THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO NOW
WARNING FRESHTHEN THAT THEY WILL
HEAR DEBATES AND VIEWPOINTS THAT
MAY CHALLENGE THEM AND EVEN
CAUSE DISCOMFORT.
ADDING THE SCHOOL DOES NOT
SUPPORT...
>> ANDREW: STILL AHEAD TONIGHT
ON THE NATIONAL, DONALD TRUMP'S
CONNECTIONS TO THE RUSSIA.
THEY GO BACK DECADES.
WE WILL TAKE IT THROUGH IT ALL
WITH A FORMER CORRESPONDENT WHO
IS BANNED FROM MOSCOW.
>> IAN: THE CROCODILE IS SWORN
IN AS THE NEW PRESIDENT OF
ZIMBABWE.
WITH PROMISES OF CHANGE.
>> THE ARGOS ARE READY TO TAKE
ON THE STAMPS.
IN THE SUNDAY GREY CUP.
THE CFL COMMISSIONER HAD THE
OFFENSIVE LINE DAY.
>> NO ONE WILL DISPUTE THAT
CONCUSSIONS ARE NOT GOOD FOR THE
PLAYERS.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION
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>> IT MAKES YOU WANT TO SING.
DOESN'T DID?
THAT IS THE ROUGHRIDER BAND
GETTING FOOTBALL FANS IN THE
SPIRIT FOR GREY CUP WEEKEND.
OTTAWA'S TEAM THE REDBLACKS ARE
NOT IN IT.
THEY ARE HOSTING.
THE CITY IS BRIMMING WITH
EXCITEMENT.
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM ACROSS
THE COUNTRY MAKING THEIR WAY TO
THE NATION'S CAPITAL.
AHEAD OF THE MATCH UP.
BETWEEN THE CALGARY STAMPEDERS
AND THE TORONTO ARGONAUTS.
AND SURE ENOUGH, THE GREY CUP
ITSELF HAS BEEN MAKING THE
ROUNDS AT PARTIES ACROSS THE
CITY AND TEASING FANS, STOKING
RIVALRIES.
DAVID COMMON IS IN OTTAWA FOR US
TONIGHT AND JOINS US FROM THE
GREY CUP FESTIVAL GROUNDS.
DAVID, FOR ALL OF US WHO CAN'T
BE THERE, PAINT US A PICTURE.
WHAT IS IT LIKE?
>> REPORTER: WELL, IT IS A BIT
CHILLY.
I WILL TELL YOU HAVING SAID
THAT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
PEOPLE, MAYBE ONE OR TWO WHO
SEEM TO HAVE A BEER IN THEIR
HAND AT THE PARTY OUTSIDE TD
PLACE IN OTTAWA.
YOU KNOW,
ANDREW, THIS SHOULD BE A BANNER
YEAR FOR THE CFL.
THE GREY CUP HAS BEEN SOLD OUT
FOR WEEKS.
TV RATINGS ARE UP.
ATTENDANCE IS UP.
BREAKING RECORDS IN THE PLAYOFF
GAME.
YOU KNOW,
THERE IS EVEN A GROUP OF
INVESTORS TALKING ABOUT
EXPANDING A TEAM, EXPANDING OUT
TO HALIFAX.
>> ANDREW: I FEEL LIKE THERE IS
A BUT COMING, THOUGH...
>> REPORTER: INDEED THERE IS.
IT IS ALL ABOUT THOSE HARD HITS
TO THE HEAD AND THE LEGACY THEY
LEAVE.
>> THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS
THE QUESTION ON CONCUSSIONS.
CONCUSSIONS ARE IN FACT AN
INJURY.
IT IS A BRAIN TRAUMA.
>> REPORTER: THAT IS AS FAR AS
THE CFL WILL GO.
WHAT THE COMMISSIONER WON'T SAY,
THE LONG-TERM IMPACTS OF
REPEATED BLOWS TO THE HEAD ARE
CONNECTED TO DEVASTATING BRAIN
DISEASE.
>> THE CAUSE AND EFFECT IS
UNCLEAR.
IT SIMPLY IS.
WE WILL RELY ON THE SCIENCE.
>> YOU TALK ABOUT CONCUSSIONS...
>> REPORTER: IT LED TO A
REMARKABLE INTERACTION.
ONE OF THE CFL'S BIGGEST STARS,
NIK LEWIS CONFRONTING THE
COMMISSIONER MID-NEWS
CONFERENCE.
>> WHEN WILL WE STOP SELLING
SAFE WHEN WE KNOW THERE IS
NOTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THE
GAME SAFER?
>> IT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
>> REPORTER: NOT ONE EASILY
ANSWERED.
THE LEAGUE IS FACING A MASSIVE
LAWSUIT FROM FORMER PLAYERS.
NIK LEWIS MAY WANT THE CFL TO
SAY FOOTBALL CAN LEAD TO BRAIN
INJURY, IF IT DOES, THE
LIABILITY COULD KILL THE LEAGUE.
>> IF THEY COME OUT AND SAY,
YES, FOOTBALL IS DANGEROUS.
THEY ARE LIABLE TO PAST PLAYERS
AND THEN YOU RISK GETTING SUED
AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
IT IS A CATCH-22.
WHAT CAN THEY DO TO TURN THE
CORNER WITHOUT LEAVING THEMSELF
OPEN FOR LAWSUITS?
>> REPORTER: SO THERE HAVE BEEN
BABY STEPS.
EVEN AT TODAY'S PRACTICES, FULL
CONTACT IS GONE.
DISCONTINUED ABRUPTLY THIS
SEASON IN THE NAME OF SAFETY.
ONLY METRES AWAY FROM PRACTICE,
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA,
THEY ARE WORKING TO BETTER
UNDERSTAND HARD HITS ON THE
PLAYERS' BRAIN.
BUT THERE IS NO DOUBT, THERE IS
A CONNECTION.
IS IT RIGHT TO SAY THERE IS NO
LINK?
>> INTERVIEW: I THINK THE
SCIENCE IS ESTABLISHED, THERE IS
A LINK BETWEEN HEAD IMPACTS AND
TRAUMA AND ASSOCIATED
NEUROLOGICAL DISEASE.
IF YOU IGNORE THAT OR TURN A
BLIND EYE TO IT, IT WILL NOT GET
BETTER.
THESE ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.
IT WILL GET WORSE.
>> HE IS INSIDE...
>> REPORTER: THE NFL HAS STARTED
TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND SOME OF
THE BIGGEST NAMES IN SPORTS
BROADCASTING.
>> THE REALITY IS THAT THIS GAME
DESTROYS PEOPLE'S BRAINS.
NOT EVERYONE.
A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER.
IT IS NOT A SMALL NUMBER.
IT IS A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER.
IT DESTROYS THEIR BRAINS.
>> REPORTER: AND SO WE ASKED
RANDY AMBROSIE IF HE IS NOT
WORRIED ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF
BEING IN DENIAL?
>> INTERVIEW: I HOPE NOT.
I MEAN MY -- I HAVE SAID WHEN I
TOOK THE JOB FIVE MONTHS AGO
THAT I WOULD PURSUE THE TRUTH.
I WOULD READ AND INVESTIGATE AND
EDUCATE MYSELF.
I AM DOING THAT.
>> REPORTER: IT IS A TOUGH
POSITION FOR THE LEAGUE AND FOR
FOOTBALL IN GENERAL.
HOW DO YOU MAKE A GAME THAT IS
BUILT ON HEAVY CONTACT SAFER?
>> ANDREW: RIGHT.
DAVID,
A TOUGH POSITION AS YOU LEARNED,
THE LEAGUE IS WORRIED ABOUT
LIABILITY.
BUT WE ARE SEEING THAT PLAY OUT
WITH THE NFL.
>> REPORTER: WE ARE.
IT IS A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF
LEAGUE WITH A LOT MORE MONEY.
AND PART OF THE REASON THAT THEY
ARE RECONCILING THIS IS BECAUSE
THEY HAVE SETTLED A BILLION
DOLLAR LAWSUIT WITH FORMER
PLAYERS WHICH MEANT THEY HAD TO
COME TO SOME KIND OF IDEA,
RECONCILIATION AROUND THE IDEA
OF HARD HITS AND BRAIN INJURY.
>> ANDREW: DAVID COMMON IN
OTTAWA.
THANK YOU.
>> THEY KNEW THEY WERE IN
DANGER.
THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM KNEW THEY
KNEW THEY WERE IN DANGER.
WHAT DID WE DO ABOUT THAT
DANGER?
HOW DID WE TRY TO CONTAIN IT?
CLEARLY WE DID NOT CONTAIN IT AT
THE END OF THE DAY.
>> TOUGH QUESTIONS TONIGHT ABOUT
SUPPORT FOR VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE.
A TRIPLE MURDER TRIAL IN OTTAWA
COMES TO AN END.
CONVICTED OF TWO COUNTS OF FIRST
DEGREE MURDER AND ONE COUNT OF
SECOND DEGREE MURDER OF THREE
WOMEN IN 2015.
ALL THREE WERE KILLED ON THE
SAME DAY.
ALL OF THEM HAD PAST
RELATIONSHIPS WITH BORUTSKI.
TWO HAD REPORTED HIM TO POLICE
EARLIER FOR ASSAULT AND UTTERING
THREATS.
>>> ANIMAL ACTIVISTS IN
VANCOUVER ARE LOOKING FOR
ANSWERS AFTER THE DEATH OF A
KILLER WHALE AT THE AQUARIUM.
CHESTER WAS RESCUED OFF THE
COAST OF VANCOUVER ISLAND IN
2014.
HE WAS IN BAD SHAPE WHEN HE
ARRIVED AT THE AQUARIUM.
THE OFFICIALS SAID WHILE HE DID
IMPROVE, HE NEVER FULLY
RECOVERED.
IT IS NOT TOTALLY CLEAR HOW HE
DIED.
WE ARE TOLD HE DID START
BEHAVING STRANGELY ON WEDNESDAY.
HIS DEATH IS THE FOURTH OF ITS
KIND AT THE VANCOUVER AQUARIUM.
JUST IN THE LAST YEAR.
LAST NOVEMBER, TWO BELUGA WHALES
DIED IN THE SPAN OF TWO WEEKS.
AND IN JUNE A HARBOUR PORPOISE
DIED.
>>> TONIGHT, JOB CUTS AT
CANADA'S SECOND LARGEST GROCERY
CHAIN.
SOBEYS ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT IT
IS CUTTING 800 OFFICE JOBS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND THAT IS A BIG NUMBER.
IT IS ABOUT 20% OF THE COMPANY'S
OFFICE STAFF.
WHY IS IT HAPPENING.
TRADITIONAL GROCERY CHAINS ARE
STRUGGLING TO COMPETE.
THE SHIFT TO ONLINE RETAIL HAS
CHANGED THE SHOPPING LANDSCAPE.
AND FOR ITS PART, THE COMPANY
SAID THIS IS A MOVE TO SAVE
MONEY AND TO REORGANIZE.
>> IAN: WE HAVE A LOT AHEAD HERE
ON "THE NATIONAL."
ZIMBABWE HAS A NEW PRESIDENT.
A CHANGE AT THE TOP, WHAT WILL
IT REALLY MEAN FOR THE PEOPLE ON
THE GROUND?
>> ANDREW: COULD DONALD TRUMP
TIES TO RUSSIA TRIGGER A CRISIS
FOR THE PRESIDENT?
>> I WOULDN'T SAY THE
[*]
>> IAN: LAWYERS FOR DONALD TRUMP
FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR
MICHAEL FLYNN
HAVE REPORTEDLY STOPPED
COOPERATING WITH THE PRESIDENT'S
LAWYERS.
THAT LED TO SPECULATION FLYNN
MAY BE PREPARING TO MAKE A DEAL
WITH INVESTIGATORS IN THE RUSSIA
PROBE.
HIS SHORT STINT IN THE WHITE
HOUSE WAS DOGGED BY QUESTIONS
ABOUT HIS COMMUNICATION WITH
RUSSIAN OFFICIALS BEFORE HIS
RESIGNATION IN FEBRUARY.
A PLEA DEAL WOULD BRING THE
RUSSIA PROBE EVEN CLOSER TO THE
PRESIDENT.
HOW CLOSE IS IT GOING TO GET?
IN HIS NEW BOOK, HOW
RUSSIA HELPED TRUMP WIN THE
WHITE HOUSE, THE INVESTIGATIVE
JOURNALIST DETAILS THE
EXTENSIVE AND CONCERNING TIES TO
RUSSIA OVER DECADES.
WE SAT DOWN WITH MCKENNA TO TALK
ABOUT WHY TRUMP IS THE PERFECT
TARGET FOR RUSSIA INTELLIGENCE.
>> REPORTER: HIS LAST TWO WEEKS
-- BOOKS
HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO MAJOR
HOLLYWOOD FILMS.
THE FIFTH ESTATE ABOUT WIKILEAKS
JULIAN ASSANGE.
>> HE WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
>> REPORTER: OLIVER STONE'S
MOVIE ABOUT EDWARD SNOWDEN.
>> THE NSA IS REALLY TRACKING
EVERY CELLPHONE IN THE WORLD.
>> REPORTER: PARTING WITH THE
LONG TIME LAW SCHOOL
CORRESPONDENT FOR THE GUARDIAN
UNTIL EXPELLED FROM RUSSIA.
IN 2011.
HE THINKS THE BUSINESS DEALS
OF DONALD TRUMP WITH RUSSIA SHOW
EVERY SIGN OF MANIPULATION BY
RUSSIA
INTELLIGENCE SERVICES.
>> THE KGB SENT OUT A SECRET
MEMO IN THE 1980S, EXPLAINING
WHAT THEY WANTED IN A TARGET,
THEY WANTED SOMEONE NARCISSISTIC
AND THEY WANTED SOMEONE WHO
LIKED MONEY AND SOMEONE WHO IS A
LOUSY ANALYST.
AND IF YOU CHECK DOWN THE LIST,
TRUMP TICKS EVERY BOX.
THIS IS ABOUT 1985.
AND DONALD TRUMP MAKES HIS FIRST
VISIT TO MOSCOW THE SUMMER OF
1987.
>> REPORTER: ON THE FIRST VISIT
TO RUSSIA WITH HIS THEN WIFE IN
1987, DONALD TRUMP BEGAN TO
NEGOTIATE TO BUILD A TRUMP HOTEL
COMPLEX.
A LUCRATIVE DEAL THAT WOULD BE
DANGLED IN FRONT OF HIM FOR THE
NEXT 30 YEARS.
>> WHEN TRUMP WENT TO MOSCOW, HE
WOULD HAVE BEEN -- BY THE KGB.
NOT BECAUSE I AM A CONSPIRACY
THEORIST.
THAT IS WHAT THEY DID.
AND HE WAS INVITED BY THE
GOVERNMENT.
IT WAS EXPENSIVE PAY.
THE OTHER THING
WE CAN SAY THAT TRUMP'S HOTEL
ROOM IN MOSCOW IN 1987 WOULD
HAVE BEEN BUGGED.
LIKE ANY KIND OF RICH AMERICAN,
HE WOULD BE UNDER TECHNICAL
SURVEILLANCE.
ALL THIS STUFF WOULD HAVE BEEN
PUT IN A DOSSIER.
>> Reporter: HARDING SAID THE
KGB
WOULD HAVE FOCUSSED ON TRUMP'S
NOTORIOUS WOMANIZING OVER THE
YEAR.
>> THE PERSONALITY
QUESTIONNAIRES, ONE OF THE FIRST
QUESTIONS THEY ASK, DOES HE HAVE
AFFAIRS ON THE SIDE.
WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IS
SOMETHING THEY CAN EXPLOIT.
>> DONALD TRUMP COMES OUT
SWINGING.
SLAMMING THE CIRCULATION OF
UNVERIFIED ALLEGATIONS AGAINST
HIM.
>> PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: A
DISGRACE.
>> REPORTER: DONALD TRUMP'S 30
YEAR BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH
RUSSIA AND EXPLOSIVE ALLEGATIONS
ABOUT HIS SEXUAL ACTIVITY THERE
HIT THE HEADLINES LAST JANUARY.
>> THE PRESIDENT-ELECT AND
RUSSIA.
>> REPORTER: THE REVELATION OF A
PRIVATE INTELLIGENCE DOSSIER
ABOUT HIM.
>> IT IS ALL FAKE NEWS.
IT IS PHONY STUFF.
>> REPORTER: THE DOSSIER
ALLEGING COLLUSION BETWEEN THE
TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA WAS
THE
WORK OF A SMALL SECURITY COMPANY
HERE IN LONDON.
ALL THE BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE
HAS THE GOOD REPUTATION IN THE
SECURITY BUSINESS.
IT IS CO-OWNED BY THE FORMER
BRITISH INTELLIGENCE OFFER
CHRISTOPHER STEELE, THE AUTHOR
OF THE EXPLOSIVE DOSSIER.
>> I WILL NOT MAKE FURTHER
STATEMENTS OR COMMENTS AT THIS
TIME.
>> REPORTER: STEELE HAS REFUSED
ALL INTERVIEW REQUESTS.
HE SPOKE TO LUKE HARDING.
>> HE IS ENGAGED WITH RUSSIA.
HE WAS THERE AS A YOUNG SPY IN
THE 1990S.
BUT HE HAS BEEN DOING THIS STUFF
FOR 30 YEARS.
SINCE 2008 IN PRIVATE
INTELLIGENCE.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE IN WESTERN
INTELLIGENCE THINK THE DOSSIER
IS BROADLY CORRECT AND STILL --
ASSESSMENT ACCORDING TO WHAT HIS
FRIENDS SAY IT IS BETWEEN 70 AND
90% CORRECT.
IT IS NOT PERFECT.
IT IS RAW INTELLIGENCE.
NOR IS IT FAKE.
>> WELCOME BACK TO MISS UNIVERSE
2013.
COMING AT YOU FROM MOSCOW.
>> REPORTER: THE SENSATIONAL
PART OF THE DOSSIER CONCERNS THE
2013 MISS UNIVERSE CONTEST THAT
DONALD TRUMP STAGED IN MOSCOW.
>> THE BIG MAN, DONALD TRUMP.
>> REPORTER: STEELE SOURCES
REPORTED THAT TRUMP HOSTED
MULTIPLE PROSTITUTES IN THE
PRESIDENTIAL SUITE AT THE RITZ
CARLTON HOTEL IN MOSCOW.
AND HE HAD THEM PERFORM
PERVERTED SEXUAL ACTS, SECRETLY
FILMED TO PROVIDE INTELLIGENCE
WITH COMPROMISING MATERIAL THAT
COULD BE LATER USED TO BLACKMAIL
HIM.
TRUMP ABSOLUTELY DENIED IT.
>> DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE
THAT STORY?
I AM VERY MUCH OF A GERMAPHOBE.
BY THE WAY.
BELIEVE ME.
>> REPORTER: IN RECENT DAYS,
TRUMP'S BODYGUARD TESTIFIED THAT
AN OFFER WAS MADE TO PROVIDE
MULTIPLE PROSTITUTES TO TRUMP'S
SUITE.
TRUMP LAUGHED IT OFF.
WHEN GUARDIAN CORRESPONDENT TEN
YEARS AGO, THE FSB LET HIM KNOW
HE WAS MONITORED EVEN IN HIS
BEDROOM.
>> WHAT DID TRUMP DO IN 2013
WHEN HE FLEW INTO MOSCOW FOR THE
MISS UNIVERSE PAGEANT?
DID HE GO TO BED EARLY WITH A
CUP OF HOT CHOCOLATE OR WATCH AN
ENTERTAINING SHOW IN HIS
BEDROOM.
NOW, WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
WHAT WE CAN SAY, 100%, IS THE
THEY WOULD HAVE VIEWED
EVERYTHING.
THIS IS WHAT THEY DO.
THEY DID IT TO ME.
>> REPORTER: MUCH OF THE STEELE
DOSSIER HAS BEEN PROVEN TRUE.
ESPECIALLY CONCERNING SOME VERY
SHADY CHARACTERS WHO WERE
WORKING INSIDE THE TRUMP
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
IN MARCH 2016, DONALD TRUMP
NAMED CARTER PAGE AS ONE OF THE
KEY FOREIGN POLICY ADVISORS.
PAGE IS AN ACADEMIC AND PRO
RUSSIAN ZEALOT.
WILL HE WAS SUSPECTED AS A
RUSSIAN AGENT.
BACK IN 2015, THE F.B.I.
WIRETAPPED TWO RUSSIAN SPIES
WORKING UNDER COVER IN NEW YORK
CITY FOR THE RUSSIAN VEB BANK.
CONSIDERED A FRONT FOR RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE.
THE SPIES WERE TALKING ABOUT
RECRUITING PAGE IDENTIFIED IN
THE 2015 INDICTMENT AS MALE
NUMBER ONE.
THE SPY SUGGESTED AN APPROACH TO
PAGE...
IT APPEARS THE RUSSIANS WANTED
TO BRIBE CARTER PAGE AND
BLACKMAIL HIM ABOUT BEING
BRIBED.
>> IT SEEMS WITTINGLY OR
UNWITTINGLY HE IS A RUSSIAN
ASSET.
>> REPORTER: ANOTHER TRUMP
ORGANIZATION CONNECTION TO
MOSCOW IS FELIX SADER, A RUSSIAN
AMERICAN CONVICTED CRIMINAL
WHOSE FATHER WAS A RUSSIAN MAFIA
FIGURE.
HE WAS IDENTIFIED AS A KEY
NEGOTIATOR FOR THE PROPOSED
TRUMP TOWER IN MOSCOW.
HE HAD ARRANGED FINANCING
THROUGH THE RUSSIAN VTB BANK.
THE VTB IS CLOSE TO THE FSB.
THE SPY AGENCY, THE HEAD OF
VTB IS A FORMER KGB GUY.
HE DENIES THAT.
THAT IS UNDERSTOOD BY EVERYBODY.
THE SUMS OF THE TWO CHIEFS.
THEY WENT TO VTB.
THERE IS A STRONG CONNECTION
BETWEEN RUSSIAN ESPIONAGE AND
THE BANK
THAT WAS GOING TO FUND TRUMP
TOWER.
>> REPORTER: IN 2015, SATER
WROTE TO MICHAEL COWAN, TRUMP'S
LAWYER AND IDENTIFIED AS A KEY
PLAYER IN THE STEELE DOSSIER.
SATER SAID THAT THE RUSSIAN
GOVERNMENT SUPPORT WAS KEY TO
TRUMP'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN...
IN JANUARY 2016, IN THE MIDDLE
OF TRUMP'S PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN, TRUMP LAWYER COHEN
WROTE TO PUTIN'S OFFICE
REQUESTING HELP WITH THE MOSCOW
TRUMP TOWER PROJECT.
TRUMP CONTINUED TO DENY BUSINESS
DEALINGS WITH RUSSIA.
HE TWEETED...
NOW TRUMP'S QUESTIONABLE
STATEMENTS AND THE STEELE
COLLUSION DOSSIER ARE IN THE
HANDS OF THE U.S. SPECIAL
COUNCIL ROBERT MUELLER AND LUKE
HARDING HAS NO DOUBT THERE IS
BIG TROUBLE COMING FOR DONALD
TRUMP AND THE U.S. POLITICAL
SYSTEM.
>> INTERVIEW: I THINK THE
INVESTIGATION IS MOVING
AGGRESSIVELY FORWARD.
I THINK THE FLAMES ARE KIND
OF -- I WOULDN'T SAY THE WHITE
HOUSE IS ON FIRE.
THE SHRUBBERY IS ON FIRE AND THE
GARDEN IS LOOKING ORANGE.
AND THEY ARE HEADING TOWARD THE
WHITE HOUSE.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT WILL TRUMP
DO?
WILL TRUMP STAND AND WATCH OR
FIGHT?
I THINK MY BEST GUESS IS THAT
TRUMP WILL -- WE HAVE A KIND OF
POLITICAL AND A CONSTITUTIONAL
CRISIS.
WILL TRUMP BE IMPEACHED, I DON'T
KNOW.
IS HE THE MOST SCANDALOUS
PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY.
YES.
HE CROSSED THE LINE AND IS
HEADING OFF SOMEWHERE OVER
THERE.
>> IAN: WHEN WE COME BACK,
INAUGURATION DAY IN ZIMBABWE.
>> I FEEL LIKE HE HAS SO MANY
PEOPLE BELIEVING IN HIM.
HE HAS TO LIVE UP TO IT SOMEHOW.
>>...
PRESIDENT OF ZIMBABWE, I
SOLEMNLY PROMISE THAT I SHALL TO
THE BEST OF MY ABILITY SERVE
EVERYONE, EVERYONE WHO CALLS AND
CONSIDERS ZIMBABWE THEIR HOME.
>> IAN: IT WAS THREE WEEKS AGO
THAT EMMERSON MNANGAGWA FLED
ZIMBABWE.
HIS POLITICAL FUTURE AND
PERSONAL SAFETY UNCERTAIN.
TONIGHT, HE IS THE NEW
PRESIDENT.
>>> THE KNACK FOR SURVIVAL WILL
COME IN HANDY AT A PLACE PLAGUED
BY PROBLEMS.
AS MARGARET EVANS EXPLAINS, THE
FIRST CHALLENGE IS EARNING THE
PEOPLE'S TRUST.
>> REPORTER: IF YOU BUILD, THEY
WILL COME.
A NEW ZIMBABWE TO RISE FROM THE
ASHES IS A PROMISE LONG DENIED.
THAT IS HOW HIGH EXPECTATIONS
ARE AMONGST ZIMBABWE ON
INAUGURATION TODAY.
-- DAY.
>> WE ARE HAPPY.
WE REMOVED THE PRESIDENT
MUGABE.
>> REPORTER: IT IS THE FIRST
TIME THEY HAD A NEW LEADER IN 37
YEARS, AND THEY SAY IT CHANGES
EVERYTHING.
EVEN THOUGH, THE MAN SEEKING
OFFICE IS NICKNAMED THE
CROCODILE.
FOR THE CUNNING HE SHOWED AS
ROBERT MUGABE'S INTELLIGENCE
CHIEF.
>> I EMMERSON MNANGAGWA...
>> REPORTER: IN FRONT OF 60,000
PEOPLE, HE THANKED THE DEPOSED
MUGABE FOR HIS ROLE AS A
LIBERATION HERO.
BUT SAID IT WAS TIME TO RIGHT
THE WRONGS OF THE PAST AND
PLEDGED TO SERVE OLD ZIMBABWE.
THE MESSAGE SO FAR FROM THE NEW
ADMINISTRATION IS THAT THEY WANT
THE OUTSIDE WORLD TO COME BACK
TO ZIMBABWE AND HELP IT GET UP
ON ITS FEET AGAIN.
>> WE ASK THOSE WHO HAVE
PUNISHED US IN THE PAST TO
RECONSIDER THE ECONOMIC AND THE
POLITICAL SANCTIONS AGAINST US.
>> REPORTER: HE PROMISED AN END
TO CORRUPTION AND CORROSIVE
POLITICS AND TO COMPENSATE WHITE
FARMERS WHOSE LAND WAS TAKEN
FROM THEM IN THE 2000S.
>> I FEEL HE HAS SO MANY PEOPLE
BELIEVING IN HIM, HE HAS TO LIVE
UP TO IT SOMEHOW.
>> REPORTER: THERE ARE THOSE WHO
WORRY THAT WHAT HAS ESSENTIALLY
BEEN A SHIFT OF POWER IN THE
RULING ZANU-PF PARTY WILL NOT
TRANSLATE TO CHANGES ON THE
GROUND FOR ORDINARY PEOPLE.
OFFERING THAT CHANGE WILL BE THE
REAL TEST.
>> INTERVIEW: ZIMBABWE IS NOT
WORRIED ABOUT WHO IS IN CHARGE
AS THEY ARE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT
THE ECONOMY IS WORKING.
>> REPORTER: THESE TWO MEN ARE
MAKING EXTRA CASH SELLING
CROCODILE T-SHIRTS AND GIVING
THE ANY PRESIDENT THE BENEFIT OF
-- NEW PRESIDENT THE BENEFIT OF
THE DOUBT.
>> WE ARE NOT SAYING IT IS THE
BEST OPTION.
IT IS A GOOD OPTION.
IT IS WORTH TRYING.
>> IF YOU ARE GIVEN TROUSERS
WITH TWO HOLES, IT IS BETTER
THAN THE ONE WITH FIVE HOLES.
>> REPORTER: LET THE BUILDING
BEGIN.
MARGARET EVANS, CBC NEWS,
HARARE.
>> IAN: WE WILL GO DEEPER ON THE
STORIES OF THE DAY EARLIER IN
THE DAY, YOU
CAN SUBSCRIBE TO OUR NEWSLETTER
AT CBC.CA/THENATIONAL.
THE NATIONAL GOES INSIDE OUR
>> Announcer:
Rick Mercer Report,
Tuesdays at 8:00 on CBC.
[*]
>> SCREAMING, AND A HERD OF
PEOPLE -- LIKE THEY WERE BEING
MOWED DOWN.
PEOPLE TRIPPING OVER EACH OTHER.
LIKE DROPPING THEIR BAGS.
>> Andrew: YOU CAN GET A SENSE
OF THE TENSION IN LONDON TODAY
AFTER WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE A
FALSE ALARM.
IT UNFOLDED ON OXFORD STREET.
THE PEOPLE WERE OUT DOING BLACK
FRIDAY SHOPPING, WHEN RUMOURS
SPREAD ABOUT GUNFIRE.
THAT SENT PEOPLE RUNNING.
FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, THE NEARBY
SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS WERE
LOCKED DOWN.
THE POLICE SAID THEY RESPONDED
AS IF IT WAS A TERRORIST
INCIDENTS.
ULTIMATELY, THEY SAID THEY FOUND
NO EVIDENCE OF GUNFIRE.
>>> THE PRESIDENT OF ARGENTINA
PROMISING TODAY TO KEEP UP THE
SEARCH FOR A MISSING NAVY
SUBMARINE.
HOPE IS FADING THAT ANYONE WILL
BE FOUND ALIVE.
THERE WERE 44 PEOPLE ONBOARD.
IT IS NOW NINE DAYS SINCE THE
SUBSIDIES APPEARED.
A WEEK'S WORTH OF OXYGEN.
WHAT'S MORE, WE LEARNED
YESTERDAY THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF
EXPLOSION DETECTED NEAR WHERE IT
WENT MISSING LAST WEEK.
ARGENTINA'S PRESIDENT PROMISED A
FULL INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT
HAPPENED.
>>> SHIFTING GEARS TO SOMETHING
GETTING A LOT OF REACTION ONLINE
TONIGHT.
I WILL SPOIL THE SURPRISE NOW,
IT IS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP ON
TWITTER.
JUST A WHILE AGO, HE WROTE...
NOW, THAT SPARKED A LOT OF
REACTION ON TWITTER.
MOST NOTABLY FROM TIME MAGAZINE
ITSELF.
AND THEY SAID IT DIDN'T QUITE
HAPPEN THAT WAY.
THEY SAID THE PRESIDENT IS
INCORRECT.
TIME DOES NOT COMMENT ON OUR
CHOICE UNTIL PUBLICATION.
WHICH IS DECEMBER 6TH.
>>> AND IAN, I WILL BE HONEST, I
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF ALL
THAT.
>> Ian: WELL, A COUPLE OF
THINGS, I THINK.
FIRST OF ALL THAT TIME MAGAZINE
IS HAPPY AS A MAGAZINE TO BE
RELEVANT AND HAVE PEOPLE TALKING
ABOUT THEM.
AND ALSO I THINK THEY WOULD
POINT THAT PERSON OF THE YEAR
DOES NOT MEAN BEST PERSON OF THE
YEAR, JUST THE NEWS MAKER OF THE
YEAR.
>> FAIR ENOUGH.
ALL GOOD POINTS.
THAT IS THE NATIONAL FOR
NOVEMBER 24TH.
GOOD NIGHT.
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