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>> Ian: ON THIS SUNDAY NIGHT,
FOR THE FIRST TIME ONE OF THE
DANFORTH VICTIMS IS SPEAKING
PUBLICLY ABOUT THE NIGHT THAT
EVERYTHING CHANGED WHEN SHE CAME
FACE-TO-FACE WITH A GUNMAN.
>> IT WAS VERY SURREAL, BECAUSE
WHEN I MADE EYE CONTACT WITH HIM
HE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE HE WAS A
SHOOTER.
>> Ian: DANIELLE KANE MAY NEVER
WALK AGAIN BUT SHE'S RESILIENT
AND DETERMINED.
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>> Ian: DANIELLE KANE MAY NEVER
WALK AGAIN BUT SHE'S RESILIENT
AND DETERMINED.
HER STORY OF RECOVERY AND THE
REMARKABLE
EMPATHY FOR THE MAN WHO SHOT
HER.
>>> ALSO TONIGHT THE DEBATE
AFTER THE SHOCKING UPSET AT THE
U.S. OPEN.
WAS SERENA WILLIAMS THE VICTIM
OF SEXISM?
>>> AND HITTING BACK AT DONALD
TRUMP.
WHY STORMY DANIELS' LAWYER
THINKS THAT HE IS THE GUY THAT
COULD TAKE
DOWN THE PRESIDENT IN 2020.
A CANADIAN EXCLUSIVE WITH
MICHAEL AVENATTI.
THIS IS "THE NATIONAL."
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>>> SEVEN WEEKS AGO TONIGHT IT
WAS A WARM SUMMER EVENING HERE
IN TORONTO.
ON THE DANFORTH PEOPLE WERE OUT
ENJOYING DINNER, TAKING A
STROLL, WHEN SHOTS RANG OUT.
THE GUNMAN BY ALL ACCOUNTS
WALKING CALMLY, METHODICALLY,
FIRING INTO RESTAURANTS AND INTO
GROUPS OF PEOPLE.
HIS MOTIVE IS STILL NOT CLEAR
BUT WE KNOW THE PANIC HE CAUSED,
THE TWO PEOPLE THAT HE MURDERED
AND THE 13 OTHERS THAT HE
WOUNDED.
DANIELLE KANE IS ONE OF THEM.
SHE WAS STRUCK BY A BULLET AFTER
RUNNING OUT OF A RESTAURANT WITH
HER BOYFRIEND TO HELP ANOTHER
VICTIM.
IN HER FIRST PUBLIC COMMENTS SHE
TALKS ABOUT THAT MOMENT THAT SHE
SAW THE GUNMAN, A CHANCE
ENCOUNTER THAT HAS FOREVER
ALTERED HER LIFE.
>> NO ONE EXPECTS TO, LIKE, GO
OUT ON A SUNDAY NIGHT AND THEN,
LIKE, HAVE THEIR LIFE COMPLETELY
TURNED UPSIDE DOWN.
LIKE, NO ONE EXPECTS THAT.
LIKE, IT WAS -- IT WAS JUST AN
ORDINARY DAY REALLY AND, LIKE,
WE HADN'T PLANNED TO GO THERE,
LIKE, A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME.
IT WAS JUST -- WE LITERALLY
PLANNED LIKE HOURS BEFORE --
LIKE BEFORE THE INCIDENT -- TO
GO TO THAT RESTAURANT FOR MY
FRIEND'S BIRTHDAY.
(gunshots).
YOU DON'T THINK WHEN YOU HEAR
SOUNDS LIKE THAT THAT THEY'RE
ANYTHING OTHER THAN FIREWORKS.
LIKE, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS
FIREWORKS.
BASICALLY AS SOON AS WE STEPPED
OUT I MADE EYE CONTACT WITH WHO
I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL MOMENTS
LATER WAS THE SHOOTER BECAUSE HE
IMMEDIATELY STARTED SHOOTING AT
US.
AND THAT'S WHEN I -- ONCE I SAW
THE SHOTS, LIKE I TURNED AND I
FELT, LIKE I FELT THE SHOTS,
LIKE, AND IMMEDIATELY MY LEGS
LIKE BUCKLED UNDER ME.
>> Ian: I DON'T WANT TO DWELL ON
THAT NIGHT.
>> YEAH.
>> Ian: BUT IF I CAN I WANT TO
ASK YOU A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS
ABOUT THAT NIGHT.
>> FOR SURE.
>> Ian: ONE IS, LIKE, SEEING THE
GUNMAN FACE-TO-FACE.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS -- IT
WAS A BIT SURREAL BECAUSE WHEN I
MADE EYE CONTACT WITH HIM, I
MEAN, HE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE HE WAS
A SHOOTER.
HE WAS STANDING CALMLY, HE WAS
LOOKING IN OUR DIRECTION AND
IMMEDIATELY LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE
HIS HANDS CAME UP AND HE WAS
SHOOTING AT US.
>> Ian: KANE SPENT DAYS IN
INTENSIVE CARE AT ST. MICHAEL'S
HOSPITAL HEAVILY SEDATED.
THE BULLET HIT HER SPINE BEFORE
HER STOMACH BEFORE EXITING HER
BODY.
SOMEBODY HAS TO COME IN THAT
ROOM AND TELL YOU THE EXTENT OF
YOUR INJURIES INCLUDING THE
POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MAY NOT
WALK AGAIN.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT MOMENT?
>> YEAH, THAT WAS A HARD DAY.
THAT WAS -- BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY,
YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE INCIDENT,
LIKE I HAD ALL OF THESE IDEAS
LIKE WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO WITH
MY LIFE AND WHAT THE NEXT FIVE,
10 YEARS WERE GOING TO BE.
IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
>> Ian: A LOT OF PEOPLE
UNDERSTANDABLY HAVE EXPRESSED
THEIR ANGER AT THE SHOOTER BUT
YOU MAY BE SURPRISED TO HEAR HOW
KANE FEELS ABOUT HIM.
>> I'VE, UM, LIKE I GUESS THAT I
FEEL COMFORTABLE DISCLOSING
THIS.
LIKE, I HAVE HAD A HISTORY OF
DEPRESSION SO I CAN RELATE TO
THE FEELING THAT YOU DON'T, LIKE
YOU DON'T FEEL THAT YOU CONNECT
TO OTHER PEOPLE OR YOU FEEL LIKE
-- LIKE THE WORLD DOESN'T
UNDERSTAND YOU.
OR, LIKE, FEELING LIKE A LOT OF
PAIN AND NOT KNOWING WHERE TO
GO.
OR FEELING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE
ANYONE TO TALK TO.
I DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY THAT
THE SHOOTER DID THIS.
LIKE, I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM AND
I
WISH PERHAPS THEY HAD THE HELP
THAT THEY NEEDED.
>> Ian: YOU DIDN'T GO THROUGH A
TIME WHEN YOU WERE ANGRY AT HIM?
>> I'VE HAD MOMENTS, ABSOLUTELY,
WHERE I DID.
BUT I THINK THAT'S NORMAL.
AND I DO -- I THINK THAT'S
NORMAL.
>> Ian: AFTER THE DANFORTH
SHOOTING AND SO MUCH OTHER GUN
CRIME IN TORONTO THIS YEAR, THE
MAYOR JOHN TORY HAS CALLED FOR A
BAN ON HANDGUNS WHICH KANE
SUPPORTS.%MAYOR JOHN TORY HAS CALLED FOR A
BAN ON HANDGUNS WHICH KANE
SUPPORTS.
>> I DON'T THINK THAT THE
GENERAL PUBLIC NEEDS TO HAVE
WEAPONS.
I MEAN, LIKE IN THE HANDS OF LAW
ENFORCEMENT I THINK THAT'S
DIFFERENT, BUT IN THE HANDS OF,
YOU KNOW, LAY PEOPLE, I DON'T
THINK THAT WE'RE A WAR STATE.
SO I'D LIKE IT SEE THEM OFF THE
STREETS.
>> Ian: I ASKED KANE ABOUT WHAT
SEEMS LIKE ONE OF HER MOST
REMARKABLE TRAITS, HOW CALM AND
ACCEPTING SHE IS ABOUT WHAT'S
HAPPENED TO HER.
>> IT'S NOT JUST A MASK THAT I'M
WEARING OR ANYTHING.
LIKE, I MEAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE
HAVE SAID TO ME THEY CAN'T
BELIEVE HOW WELL I'M TAKING
EVERYTHING.
BUT TO ME I'VE ALREADY SUFFERED
ENOUGH.
I HAVE SUFFERED A LOT, YOU KNOW,
WHY MAKE THINGS WORSE BY
DECIDING TO BE UNHAPPY AND
DECIDING TO BE -- TO FEEL LIKE I
WAS CHEATED OUT OF A LIFE.
DECIDING TO BE -- TO FEEL LIKE I
WAS CHEATED OUT OF A LIFE.
LIKE THIS OTHER KIND OF LIFE
LIKE AN ABLE-BODIED LIFE.
I'M NOT.
NOTHING HAS BEEN GUARANTEED TO
US.
>> Ian: THERE IS A LOT OF WORK
AHEAD.
TWO MORE MONTHS IN THIS REHAB
FACILITY, EVENTUALLY CONTINUING
HER STUDIES AS A NURSE.
NOT EXACTLY THE LIFE SHE WAS
LIVING TWO MONTHS AGO.
BUT AS CLOSE, SHE VOWS, AS SHE
CAN MAKE IT.
KANE AND HER BOYFRIEND ARE
DEALING WITH A LOT OF CHANGE, OF
COURSE, AND THEY'RE
GRATEFUL FOR DONATIONS THEY'VE
RECEIVED FROM FAMILY AND FRIENDS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT ALSO
FROM COMPLETE STRANGERS.
SUPPORT SHE SAYS WHICH ALLOWS
HER NOW TO FOCUS ON HER
RECOVERY.
>>> HERE'S A LOOK AT SOME OF THE
OTHER STORIES WE'RE LOOKING AT
TONIGHT ON "THE NATIONAL"...
>>> SERENA WILLIAMS SAID THAT IT
WAS A CASE OF SEXISM.
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE
CONTROVERSIAL CALL THAT MAY HAVE
COST HER THE U.S. OPEN.
>>> AND THE TOP BOSS AT CBS IS
STEPPING DOWN AFTER NEW
ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN A HEFTY
SEVERANCE PAYOUT WILL FOLLOW.
>>> FIRST THOUGH THE
INVESTIGATION CONTINUES INSIDE
OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
SENIOR MEMBERS OF DONALD TRUMP'S
INNER CIRCLE KEEP INSISTING THEY
DIDN'T WRITE THE ANONYMOUS OP-ED
IN THE "THE NEW YORK TIMES."
AS PAUL HUNTER TELLS US, ONE
ACTUALLY SAID TODAY THAT THE
CRISIS HAS BROUGHT THEM CLOSER
TOGETHER.
>> Reporter: SOMEWHERE INSIDE
OF THAT PLACE RIGHT NOW DONALD
TRUMP IS STILL WONDERING WHO CAN
HE NO LONGER TRUST, WHO DID IT,
WHO WROTE IT?
THAT STUNNER OF AN OP-ED IN THE
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" BY AN
ANONYMOUS TRUMP INSIDER,
BRANDING HIM "AMORAL AND
DANGEROUSLY UNFIT FOR THE JOB."
>> YOU THINK THAT YOU KNOW WHO
ANONYMOUS IS?
>> I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD
RESIGN AND LEAVE THIS
ADMINISTRATION.
>> Reporter: TRUMP'S VICE
PRESIDENT IS AMONG A LONG LIST
OF CONFIDANTS NOW REPEATEDLY
DENYING THEY DID IT.
TODAY PENCE WENT A STEP FURTHER.
>> Reporter: SHOULD ALL TOP
OFFICIALS TAKE A LIE DETECTOR
TEST AND WOULD YOU AGREE TO TAKE
ONE?
>> I WOULD AGREE TO TAKE IT IN A
HEARTBEAT.
>> President Donald Trump: THE
LATEST ACT OF RESISTANCE IS THE
OP-ED PUBLISHED IN THE FAILING
"NEW YORK TIMES."
>> Reporter: TRUMP HAS
SUGGESTED THAT THE OP-ED MAY BE
TREASONOUS, BUT TODAY TRUMP
ADVISOR KELLYANNE CONWAY
EMPHASIZED THAT
INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE THE
EFFECT HAS BEEN BONDING.
>> I'LL TELL WHAT YOU HAPPENED
THIS WEEK -- THE TEAM TIGHTENED
UP EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF THIS.
FOLKS WHO DON'T EVEN WORK
TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY DEAL WITH
DIFFERENT PORTFOLIOS AND
DIFFERENT ISSUES, WE ARE TIGHTER
THIS WEEK BECAUSE WE'RE SO
JOINED IN OUR OUTRAGE.
>> Reporter: BUT THERE'S A
CLEAR PATTERN IN THE TRUMP WHITE
HOUSE.
FROM EARLY NEWS REPORTS TRUMP'S
FIRST
SECRETARY OF STATE HAD CALLED
HIM "A MORON" TO BESTSELLING
BOOKS LABELLING THE PRESIDENT AS
"ILL-INFORMED AND POSSIBLY
DERANGED," THIS WEEK BRINGS A
NEW ONE BY JOURNALIST BOB
WOODWARD, HE OF WATERGATE FAME.
THAT'S HIM ON THE RIGHT IN THE
EARLY 1970s.
EXCERPTS DESCRIBE A WHITE HOUSE
IN UTTER CHAOS.
TODAY WOODWARD GAVE A SOBERING
ASSESSMENT OF HIS NEW BOOK...
>> THIS ONE WAS IN THE BELLY OF
THE BEAST.
>> Reporter: WHAT DID YOU
CONCLUDE ABOUT THE BEAST?
>> THAT PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP TO
WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> Reporter: THE BOOK WITH ITS
TRUMP INSIDERS CALLING HIM "A
RECKLESS, LYING IDIOT," IS OUT
TUESDAY.
PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS,
WASHINGTON.
>> Ian: MORE FALLOUT FOR SERENA
WILLIAMS TODAY.
AFTER LOSING YESTERDAY'S U.S.
OPEN FINAL NOW SHE'S FINED
$17,000 FOR HER CONDUCT DURING
THAT MATCH.
IT WAS AN UPSET WITH WILLIAMS
LOSING TO A 20-YEAR-OLD FROM
JAPAN.
AND CALLING THE UMPIRE'S
PENALTIES AGAINST HER "SEXIST."
SO WAS SHE RIGHT?
AS NATALIE KALATA REPORTS, IT
DEPENDS WHO YOU ASK.
>> Reporter: SERENA WILLIAMS
IS CALLING FOUL.
IN YESTERDAY'S U.S. OPEN FINAL
WILLIAMS WAS HIT WITH THREE
COSTLY PENALTIES, ALL FROM
UMPIRE CARLOS RAMOS.
THE FIRST WAS FOR GETTING A
SIGNAL FROM HER COACH.
NOT ALLOWED.
THE SECOND FOR BREAKING HER
RACKET.
AND THE THIRD FOR THIS.
FOR THAT OUTBURST SHE GOT A GAME
PENALTY.
>> FOR ME TO SAY "THIEF" AND FOR
THEM TO TAKE A GAME?
IT MADE ME FEEL THAT IT WAS A
SEXIST REMARK.
I MEAN, LIKE HE'S NEVER TOOK A
GAME FROM A MAN BECAUSE THEY
SAID "THIEF."
FOR ME IT IS BLOWING MY MIND!
FOR ME IT IS BLOWING MY MIND!
>> Reporter: WILLIAMS IS
GETTING SOME HIGH-PROFILE
SUPPORT.
TENNIS GREAT BILLIE JEAN KING
TWEETED... WHEN A WOMAN IS
EMOTIONAL, SHE'S HYSTERICAL AND
PENALIZED FOR IT.
WHEN A MAN DOES THE SAME HE'S
"OUTSPOKEN" AND THERE ARE NO
REPERCUSSIONS.
AND TENNIS STAR ANDY RODDICK
WROTE THIS, "I'VE REGRETTABLY
SAID WORSE AND I'VE NEVER GOTTEN
A GAME PENALTY."
HOWEVER, RAMOS IS KNOWN AS A
STICKLER OF AN UMPIRE.
AT LAST YEAR'S FRENCH OPEN HE
GAVE NOVAK DJOKOVIC A PENALTY
FOR TIME VIOLATION AND ANOTHER
FOR YELLING AT HIM.
>> THE WAY THAT THE SCALE WORKS,
HOW THEY SORT OF ADJUTEICATE,
YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME YOU GET
A
WARNING AND THE NEXT IS A POINT
PENALTY AND THE NEXT TIME YOU
GET A GAME.
SHE GOT TO THAT THIRD STAGE AND
ALL HECK BROKE LOOSE.
>> Reporter: WILLIAMS LOST THE
MATCH TO THE 20-YEAR-OLD NAOMI
OSAKA, HER VICTORY MARRED BY
THE CONTROVERSY AND BOOS FROM
THE CROWD.
>> BOO!
>> CONGRATULATIONS, NAOMI.
NO MORE BOOING.
>> Reporter: A CLASSY GESTURE
AFTER AN UGLY MATCH BUT WILLIAMS
SAYS THAT SHE'S GOING TO KEEP
SPEAKING OUT.
>> I'M HERE FIGHTING FOR WOMEN'S3
AFTER AN UGLY MATCH BUT WILLIAMS
SAYS THAT SHE'S GOING TO KEEP
SPEAKING OUT.
>> I'M HERE FIGHTING FOR WOMEN'S
RIGHTS AND FOR WOMEN'S EQUALITY,
AND FOR ALL KINDS OF STUFF.
>> Reporter: NATALIE KALATA,
CBC NEWS, TORONTO.
>> Ian: WILLIAMS' $17,000 FINE
BREAKS DOWN LIKE THIS, $4,000
FOR THE COACHING VIOLATION AND
$3,000 FOR WHAT IS CALLED RACKET
ABUSE.
AND $10,000 FOR VERBAL ABUSE.
A SMALL FRACTION OF WHAT SHE
MADE FOR COMING SECOND
YESTERDAY, $1.85 MILLION.
>>> NOW TO A DEVELOPING STORY,
CBS HAS REACHED AN EXIT DEAL
WITH THE EMBATTLED C.E.O. LES
MOONVES ON THE SAME DAY THAT HE
WAS HIT WITH MORE SEXUAL
MISCONDUCT ALLEGATIONS.
ANOTHER SIX WOMEN HAVE COME
FORWARD IN A "NEW YORKER"
ARTICLE PUBLISHED TODAY.
AND THAT BRINGS HIS TOTAL NUMBER
OF ACCUSERS TO 12.
IT ALSO BRINGS HIM TO THE END OF
HIS LONG RUN AT THE NETWORK.
RENÉE FILIPPONE WATCHES THE
DEVELOPING STORIES FOR US ON
SUNDAY HERE ON "THE NATIONAL."
RENEE, WHAT MORE CAN YOU TELL US
ABOUT THIS TONIGHT?
>> Reporter: WELL UNTIL TODAY,
IAN, MOONVES WAS ONE OF THE MOST
POWERFUL EXECUTIVES.
AT THE HELM OF CBS FOR 20 YEARS,
AND NOW THE FIRST C.E.O. OF A
FORTUNE 500 COMPANY FORCED OUT
OF HIS JOB FOLLOWING THESE
ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL
MISCONDUCT.
NOW IN TODAY'S NEW ARTICLE BY
RONAN FAR ROW, ANOTHER SIX
WOMEN MADE CLAIMS ABOUT MOONVES
GOING BACK TO THE 1980s.
SOME ALLEGE THAT HE'S EXPOSED
HIMSELF WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT.
OTHERS SAID HE FORCED THEM TO
PERFORM ORAL SEX.
OTHERS WHO SPOKE TO FARROW SAID
IF THEY TURNED MOONVES DOWN HE
ACTIVELY WORKED
TO DAMAGE THEIR CAREERS.
MOONVES SAID HE HAD CONSENSUAL
RELATIONSHIPS WITH SOME OF THE
WOMEN, BUT IN A STATEMENT LATE
TONIGHT ANNOUNCING HIS DEPARTURE
WOMEN, BUT IN A STATEMENT LATE
TONIGHT ANNOUNCING HIS DEPARTURE
CBS SAYS THAT IT WILL DONATE
$20 MILLION TO ONE OR MORE
ORGINISATIONS THAT SUPPORTS THE
"ME TOO" MOVEMENT AND EQUALITY
FOR WOMEN IN THE WORKPLACE.
THE DONATION, WHICH WILL BE MADE
IMMEDIATELY, HAS BEEN DEDUCTED
FROM ANY SEVERANCE BENEFITS THAT
MAY BE DUE TO MOONVES.
>> Ian: RENEE, $20 MILLION IS A
LOT OF MONEY BUT THERE WERE
REPORTS EARLIER THIS WEEK THAT
MOONVES COULD WALK AWAY WITH
$100 MILLION IN SEVERANCE?
>> Reporter: YEAH, WELL, THAT
WAS THE TALK BEFORE THE LATEST
ALLEGATIONS SURFACED.
NOW IT APPEARS
THAT ANY SEVERANCE WILL DEPEND
ON THE OUTCOME OF AN ONGOING
INVESTIGATION INTO THOSE
ALLEGATIONS.
SO THEORETICALLY AT LEAST HE
COULD WALK AWAY WITH NOTHING.
IAN, WE SHOULD NOTE THAT MOONVES
HAS BEEN LOCKED IN A POWER
BATTLE FOR
CONTROL OF THE COMPANY WITH ONE
OF ITS MAIN SHAREHOLDERS, ONE
THAT HE'S NOW CLEARLY LOST.
>> Ian: RENEE, THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> Ian: RENEE, THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> Ian: NOW LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT
SOME OF THE OTHER STORIES WE'RE
WATCHING TONIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL."
NFL STAR COLIN
KAEPERNICK IS SALUTING TWO MIAMI
DOLPHINS FOR KNEELING DURING THE
NATIONAL ANTHEM TODAY.
KAEPERNICK SAID, "MY BROTHERS
CONTINUE TO SHOW THEIR
UNWAVERING STRENGTH BY FIGHTING
FOR THE OPPRESSED."
WIDE RECEIVERS, KENNY STILLS AND
ALBERT WILSON WERE THE ONLY
PLAYERS IN
THE LEAGUE TO TAKE A KNEE ON
THIS FIRST SUNDAY OF THE NEW NFL
SEASON.
>> JUST GET PREPARED.
PREPARE FOR THE WORST AND HOPE
FOR THE BEST.
>> Ian: OFFICIALS WARN PEOPLE TO
BE READY WHEN HURRICANE FLORENCE
HITS LATER THIS WEEK.
THEY SAY WHILE IT MAY BE MOVING
SLOWLY, IT'S ONLY GETTING
STRONGER AS IT MAKES ITS WAY TO
THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES.
GENERATORS AND WATER AND PLYWOOD
AND POPULAR ITEMS IN THE STORES
IN GEORGIA.
AND IN SOUTH CAROLINA CITIES ARE
OFFERING
FREE SANDBAGS.
FLORENCE COULD BE AS STRONG AS A
CATEGORY 4 BY THE TIME IT MAKES
LANDFALL ON THURSDAY.
>>> SOME TRAVELLERS ARE FEELING
THE CONSEQUENCES OF FLORENCE.
A NORWEGIAN CRUISE SHIP BOUND
FOR BERMUDA WAS REROUTED TO THE
MARITIMES BECAUSE OF THE STORM.
SO NOT EXACTLY THE WHITE SANDY
SO NOT EXACTLY THE WHITE SANDY
BEACHES AND THE WARM WEATHER
THAT PEOPLE MAY HAVE BEEN
EXPECTING BUT PASSENGERS TOLD US
THAT THEY'RE DOING THEIR BEST TO
STAY POSITIVE ABOUT THE DETOUR.
>> IT'S NOT BERMUDA, IT'S
HALIFAX.
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>> THEY'RE HOPING FOR A REALLY
NICE WEATHER BUT INSTEAD WE HAVE
THE SAME WEATHER AS WE DO AT
HOME.
>> I WANT TO BE SOMEWHERE WARM,
NOT SOMEWHERE COLD, AND IT IS
WHAT IT IS.
AND MY HUSBAND IS HELPING ME TO
BE BETTER WITH IT, AS YOU CAN
SEE.
>> IT WORKS FOR ME.
WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T PAY TO GO
NORTH BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WE'RE MAKING THE MOST OF IT.
>> I THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE
ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT THIS IS
WHERE THEY HAD TO BE.
>> WE ALREADY SIGNED UP FOR THE
DOUBLE-DECKER BUS TOUR.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GET TO
THE CITADEL AND SEE THE
GRAVESITE OF THE TITANIC
VICTIMS.
>> WE'RE ON VACATION AND NOT
DOING DISHES OR LAUNDRY OR GOING
TO WORK SO WE'LL JUST GO WITH
IT.
>> Ian: THE NEXT STOP FOR THE
CRUISE LINE IS TOMORROW IN
SYDNEY, NOVA SCOTIA, WHERE IT'S
EXPECTED TO BE A LITTLE WARMER
THAN HALIFAX, A HIGH OF 19°.
>>> AHEAD TONIGHT ON "THE
NATIONAL," THE SEARCH FOR NICOLE
FROM LAST NIGHT.
HOW A NIGHT OUT AT A BAR OR A
WRONG NUMBER IN A MASS EMAIL IN
THE UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY
BROUGHT TOGETHER A GROUP OF
WOMEN IN THE NAME OF LOVE.
>>> FIRST THOUGH WE'LL HAVE A
"GO PUBLIC" INVESTIGATION.
IT'S ONE OF THE LAST TIES THAT
SHE HAD TO HER LATE HUSBAND.
WHY AN HONOURABLE WIDOW WAS TOLD
THAT SHE'D HAVE TO HIRE A LAWYER
TO KEEP HIS OLD CAR.
>> LATER, AN IN-DEPTH INTERVIEW
WITH MICHAEL AVENATTI.
ROSIE WILL SIT DOWN WITH STORMY
DANIELS' LAWYER TO TALK ABOUT
TRUMP AND WHY HE'S CONSIDERING A
RUN FOR THE WHITE HOUSE.
AS TO WHETHER THIS IS ABOUT MY
EGO OR SOLVING THE DUMPSTER FIRE
OF A PRESIDENCY THAT THREATENS
NOT ONLY THE UNITED STATES BUT
THE REST OF THE WORLD PERHAPS.
>> Ian: FIRST, A LOOK AT SPECIAL
COVERAGE THAT YOU WILL SEE HERE
STARTING TOMORROW NIGHT.
ADRIENNE IS IN COLOMBIA TONIGHT,
A COUNTRY GRAPPLING WITH A
CRISIS NEXT DOOR.
>> Adrienne: THIS IS BAD AND
THE NUMBERS ARE DEVASTATING.
SO MANY MILLIONS WALKING OUT OF
A CRUMBLING VENEZUELA THAT THE
U.N. WARNS WHAT'S HAPPENING
RIGHT HERE IS ON THE VERGE OF
SURPASSING THE EXODUS OUT OF
SYRIA.
THOSE WHO CAN'T GET OUT THROUGH
OFFICIAL BORDERS JUST FIND
ANOTHER WAY.
DESPERATION INTERCEPTING WITH
INGENUITY.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S COME TO.
THE MORE THAT THE AUTHORITIES
IAC DOWN ON THE SMUGGLING
ROUTES AND THE MORE THE
VENEZUELANS TRY TO STOP PEOPLE
FROM TAKING OUT ANYTHING THEY
CAN TO TRY TO EARN A BIT OF
MONEY, THE MORE THESE UNOFFICIAL
AND PRETTY DANGEROUS ROUTES JUST
OPEN UP.
THE WORLD THEY ALL WALK INTO IS
CHAOS.
A COLOMBIA UNDER SERIOUS STRAIN.
THERE'S ONLY SCATTERED POCKETS
OF ORGANIZED GENEROSITY.
AND THOSE WHO MADE IT THIS FAR
NOW HAVE TO RELY ON THEIR WITS.
SOME CAN'T WAIT FOR HELP AND
JUST KEEP WALKING.
WHERE TO?
OFTEN THEY HAVE NO IDEA.
WHAT THEY'VE LEFT IS NOT WAR BUT
THERE'S NO MISTAKING THEY ARE
RUNNING FOR THEIR LIVES.
BUT THE U.N. MEETING TOMORROW TO
DISCUSS WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS TO
DO TO HELP THESE PEOPLE AND THE
COUNTRIES TAKING THEM IN, WE'RE
WITH THOSE ON THE MOVE.
A SERIES OF STORIES STARTING
TOMORROW AS WE BRING YOU "THE
NATIONAL" FROM COLOMBIA.
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>> Ian: AN OTTAWA WIDOW IS
"GOING
PUBLIC" AFTER SHE WAS LEFT WITH
A CAR SHE COULDN'T DRIVE, SELL
OR EVEN GIVE AWAY.
LEGAL FEES WOULD HAVE COST MORE
THAN THE CAR WAS WORTH SO SHE
TURNED TO ROSA MARCHITELLI AND
THE "GO PUBLIC" TEAM FOR HELP.
>> Reporter: THE CAR ISN'T
WORTH MUCH, LESS THAN A GRAND IF
SHE SOLD IT, BUT FOR WIDOW
MARGARET McARTHUR IT'S ONE OF
THE LAST TIES SHE HAS TO JOHN,
HER HUSBAND OF 56 YEARS.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'D DO
WITHOUT IT.
WOULD BE LIKE TAKING
ANOTHER PART OF HIM AWAY FROM
ME.
>> Reporter: ON PAPER HER
HUSBAND OWNED THE CAR.
MARGARET WAS THE ONE WHO DROVE
IT.
THE G
ANOTHER PART OF HIM AWAY FROM
ME.
>> Reporter: ON PAPER HER
HUSBAND OWNED THE CAR.
MARGARET WAS THE ONE WHO DROVE
IT.
THE COUPLE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT.
THEY RENTED THEIR HOME AND THEY
HAD A FEW INVESTMENTS.
THEY DID HAVE THIS CAR.
JOHN DIDN'T HAVE A WILL.
>> WHERE WE COME FROM WE DON'T
HAVE WILLS.
LIKE, IF I DIE HE GETS IT.
AND IF HE DIES, I GET IT.
>> Reporter: BOTH SERVICE
ONTARIO AND THE MINISTRY OF
TRANSPORTATION TOLD
MARGARET THAT WITHOUT A WILL
THAT SHE'D HAVE TO HIRE A LAWYER
TO GET THE DOCUMENTS THAT SHE
NEEDED TO TRANSFER OWNERSHIP.
>> AND WE START AT $1,500 FOR A
14-YEAR-OLD CAR.
WHY DON'T THEY JUST GIVE ME THE
DARNED CAR?
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
>> Reporter: SHE EVEN TRIED TO
GIVE IT AWAY.
>> I CAN'T EVEN DONATE IT AND I
CAN'T SELL IT, I CAN'T SCRAP IT.
WHERE DO I PUT IT?
>> Reporter: FOR A YEAR A LOT
OF PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES
HAVE LOOKED AT MAKING THE
PROCESS OF SETTLING SMALL
ESTATES LIKE THE MacARTHUR'S
EASIER AND LESS EXPENSIVE, BUT
VERY FEW HAVE DONE IT.
THOSE WHO HAVE DONE IT MAKE
SIMPLE RULES FOR ESTATES BETWEEN
$5,000 AND $35,000, DEPENDING ON
THE JURISDICTIONS.
>> WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT
THINGS ARE NOT EQUAL ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
>> Reporter: THIS SENIORS'
ADVOCATE SAYS THAT HAVING A WILL
IS
THE BEST SITUATION AVAILABLE BUT
EVEN IN SITUATIONS WITH ONE SHE
SEES WIDOWS OVERWHELMED ON A
REGULAR BASIS.
>> WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO QUITE
EFFECTIVELY AND WITHOUT TOO MUCH
RED TAPE TO GO THROUGH THE
PROCESS AT A TIME WHEN THEY'RE
GRIEVING.
SO IT'S EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TO
MANAGE.
>> Reporter: FOR MARGARET, THE
CAR IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT NOW
THAT SHE'S A WIDOW.
SHE SAYS THAT IT'S HER LIFELINE
TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD.
>> I'M TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD
AND I DO IT, BUT MY WORST TIME
IS 3:00 ON SITTING HERE WITH NO
ONE TO TALK TO.
IT'S HARD.
>> Reporter: AFTER "GO PUBLIC"
CONTACTED THE MINISTRY OF
TRANSPORTATION IT OFFERED TO
HELP MARGARET MacARTHUR IN
CHANGING THE CAR'S OWNERSHIP,
FIVE MONTHS AFTER HER HUSBAND'S
DEATH SHE NOW OFFICIALLY OWNS
THE CAR.
>> Ian: ROSA IS JOINING US FROM
CALGARY.
IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S A DANGER
HERE, ROSA, IN ASSUMING THAT
WHEN YOUR PARTNER DIES YOU
SIMPLY WILL GET WHAT THEY OWN.
WHAT ELSE SHOULD PEOPLE KNOW?
>> Reporter: YOU KNOW, THE
BEST ADVICE IS TO HAVE THAT WILL
AND AN ESTATE PLAN.
IT WILL MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR
YOU.
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD A LAWYER TO
DO THAT LOOK INTO THE FREE
CLINICS THAT ARE SOMETIMES HELD
BY LAW SCHOOLS.
ALSO DO NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS LIKE
TRYING TO AVOID THE COST OF
PROBATE WHEN THE WILL IS
VALIDATED BY THE COURT.
IT INVOLVES LEGAL FEES.
WE'RE SEEING THAT SOMETIMES
PEOPLE PUT ASSETS IN JOINT NAMES
AND PUTTING THEIR KIDS MAYBE OR
THEIR SIBLINGS ON PROPERTY
TITLES, FOR EXAMPLE, SO THEY'RE
NOT PART OF THE WILL.
WELL, APPARENTLY THAT IS A BAD
IDEA.
IT COULD LEAD TO PROBLEMS IF THE
ORIGINAL OWNER'S RIGHTS AREN'T
RESPECTED.
>> Ian: SO THESE COMPLEX
SYSTEMS, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO
AFFECT CANADIANS GOING FORWARD?
>> Reporter: THEY'LL BE A
BIGGER PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, WITH
THE POPULATION AGING, WE ALL
KNOW THAT, MORE THAN 100,000
CANADIANS ARE WIDOWED EVERY
YEAR.
THAT NUMBER IS ALSO GROWING.
SO MORE PEOPLE, MORE PROBLEMS
TYPICALLY.
WHICH MAKES
THE PUSH FOR THE CHANGES EVEN
MORE IMPORTANT AND EVEN MORE
TIMELY.
>> Ian: THANKS, ROSA.
IF YOU HAVE A STORY FOR ROSA AND
THE "GO PUBLIC" TEAM YOU CAN
SEND THEM AN EMAIL
GOPUBLIC@CBC.CA.
>>> NEXT ON "THE NATIONAL," THE
SUNDAY INTERVIEW WITH MICHAEL
AVENATTI.
HE'S READY TO TAKE ON DONALD
TRUMP IN COURT AND POSSIBLY AT
THE POLLS.
>> I THINK THAT HE WOULD NOT,
DOES NOT, WANT TO FACE SOMEONE
LIKE ME IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
>> Rosemary: UM-HMM.
YOU SAID THAT THE RUN FOR THE
PRESIDENCY WOULDN'T BE ABOUT
YOUR EGO, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR
>> IF ALL OF THAT IS BELIEVABLE,
THEN WHY DID MR. COHN DRAFT AN
AGREEMENT WITH A SIGNATURE LINE
FOR DONALD TRUMP?
>> WHAT I FEAR FOR THIS
DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT I LOVE SO
MUCH IS THAT WE HAVE A TENDENCY
TO BRING NAIL CLIPPERS TO A GUN
FIGHT.
>> COVER-UP SHOULD ALWAYS MATTER
TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
>> ARE YOU TRYING TO WIN A CASE
OR TAKE DOWN A PRESIDENT?
>> Ian: CONSIDERING THE TONE OF
MICHAEL AVENATTI'S RECENT PUBLIC
APPEARANCES THE ANSWER IS
PROBABLY BOTH.
AT LEAST WHILE THE LAWYER FOR
STORMY DANIELS GAUGES THE
POLITICAL WIND.
AVENATTI'S PUBLIC PROFILE HAS
RISEN QUICKLY FROM LITTLE KNOWN
L.A. LAWYER AND PART-TIME RACE
CAR DRIVER TO OUTSPOKEN
PRESIDENTIAL CRITIC AND POSSIBLE
DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE.
BRASH AND COCKY, AVENATTI SAYS
THAT THE KEY TO BEATING TRUMP IN
2020 IS TO BEAT HIM AT HIS OWN
GAME.
ROSEMARY'S CONVERSATION WITH
MICHAEL AVENATTI IN A MOMENT
BUT, FIRST, A LITTLE
BACKGROUND...
(*)
>> Rosemary: MICHAEL AVENATTI
ROSE TO FAME AS THE LAWYER TO
STORMY DANIELS, REAL NAME
STEPHANIE CLIFFORD.
SHE'S THE ADULT FILM STAR AT THE
CENTRE OF A PRESIDENTIAL
CONTROVERSY.
DID DONALD TRUMP AND HIS LAWYER
PAY HER HUSH MONEY TO STAY
SILENT ON AN ALLEGED AFFAIR?
>> THIS IS A COVER-UP.
>> Rosemary: AVENATTI DEFENDED
HER EVERY CHANCE HE GOT.
>> I THINK THAT IT'S PRETTY
CLEAR THAT MY CLIENT IS
VERY, VERY CREDIBLE.
IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THEY'VE BEEN
LIED TO BY MR. COHN AND IT'S
PRETTY CLEAR THAT DONALD TRUMP
IS COVERING THIS UP.
>> THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS
LIKE!
>> Rosemary: SUDDENLY IN A
POLARIZED AMERICA, HE'S BECOME
KNOWN AS A KIND OF ANTI-TRUMP, A
ROLE THAT HE SEEMS TO WEAR
EASILY, TALKING A BIG GAME ABOUT
HOW THE DEMOCRATS NEED TO FIGHT
TO BEAT THE PRESIDENT AND NOW
HE'S WILLING TO DO IT
TRUMP-STYLE.
>> WE MUST LEAVE IT ALL ON THE
FIELD, EVERY DAY, AND TO FIGHT
FOR IT.
>> Rosemary: USING TWITTER AS
A POLITICAL TOOL HE'S EVEN GOT
HIS OWN #BASTA, ITALIAN FOR
"ENOUGH."
>> IT IS TIME TO MAKE AMERICA
INDEPENDENT AGAIN.
[Cheers and Applause]
>> Rosemary: NOW THERE'S TALK
OF A POTENTIAL 2020 PRESIDENTIAL
RUN, AN UNCONVENTIONAL OPPONENT
FOR AN UNCONVENTIONAL INCUMBENT.
I MET UP WITH MICHAEL AVENATTI
IN LOS ANGELES TO TALK ABOUT HOW
FAR HE'LL GO IN TAKING ON TRUMP.
AT WHAT POINT DOES THIS BECOME
LESS ABOUT THE LAWSUIT AND MORE
ABOUT ENDING THE PRESIDENCY?
OR TRYING TO BRING DOWN A
PRESIDENT?
>> WELL, MY NUMBER ONE FOCUS IS
RESOLVING THIS LAWSUIT TO THE
BENEFIT OF MY CLIENT.
>> Rosemary: BUT THAT'S NOT
THE ONLY FOCUS.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE HERE, YOU
KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT I
FOLLOWED YOU ON TWITTER SIX
MONTHS AGO AND NOW YOU'VE GOT
700,000 FOLLOWERS.
YOU ARE PART OF A NATIONAL
CONVERSATION IN A WAY THAT YOU
WEREN'T BEFORE.
SO IT'S NOT -- AT WHAT POINT DID
IT NO LONGER BECOME THE ONLY
THING THAT YOU WERE THINKING
ABOUT AND SUDDENLY YOU REALISED
THAT YOU WERE MAYBE DOING
SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST BEING A
LAWYER?
>> I DO BELIEVE THAT PART OF MY
JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
FACTS AND THE EVIDENCE ARE LAID
BARE FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC AND
THE REST OF THE WORLD AND
ULTIMATELY THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
WILL DECIDE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER
AS TO THE
CONSEQUENCES, IF ANY, THAT
RESULT FROM THE COVER-UP AND THE
POTENTIAL CRIMINAL CONDUCT
ASSOCIATED WITH THIS $130,000
PAYMENT.
>> Rosemary: SURE.
BUT YOU'RE NOW DOING THINGS THAT
ARE NOT ABOUT THAT, THAT ARE
MORE ABOUT PUSHING BACK ON
POLICY DECISIONS THAT HE'S MADE,
WHETHER IT BE MIGRANT CHILDREN
OR OTHER THINGS.
YOU'RE TRAVELLING THE COUNTRY.
YOU'RE MEETING WITH DEMOCRATS.
SO THIS ONLY WENT TO ANOTHER
LEVEL AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU
REALISED, HEY, I CAN MAYBE TURN
THIS INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO START EVEN
THINKING ABOUT THAT?
>> YEAH, IT REALLY WASN'T ABOUT
ME TURNING IT INTO SOMETHING
ELSE BECAUSE I HAVE A GOOD LIFE.
AND MY LIFE WOULD BE MUCH EASIER
IF I DID NOT ENTER THE POLITICAL
REALM, FRANKLY.
AND I HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT I'M
GOING TO DO.
AND PEOPLE KIND OF LOOK AT ME
SKEPTICALLY WHEN I SAY THAT BUT
THAT'S THE HONEST TO GOD TRUTH.
AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW I DON'T
KNOW WHETHER I'M GOING TO RUN OR
I'M
NOT GOING TO RUN.
>> Rosemary: BUT YOU'RE
CESSING THINGS OUT?
>> I'M ABSOLUTELY DOING MY
HOMEWORK AND GOING AROUND THE
COUNTRY AND TRYING TO RAISE
MONEY FOR THE DEMOCRATS IN
CONNECTION WITH THE MIDTERMS AND
AT THE SAME TIME I'M GAUGING
REACTION FOR A POTENTIAL RUN,
TALKING TO VOTERS, AND LEARNING
ABOUT ISSUES.
AND I'M BEING VERY THOROUGH IN
MY APPROACH.
AND THE REASON THAT I AM EVEN
CONSIDERING IT IS BECAUSE I AM
VERY CONCERNED THAT THE
DEMOCRATS MAY NOMINATE SOMEBODY
THAT CANNOT BEAT THIS GUY IN
2020.
AND THE UNITED STATES -- AND I
WOULD ALSO VENTURE TO SAY THE
REST OF THE WORLD -- INCLUDING
OUR FINE NEIGHBOUR TO THE NORTH,
CANNOT AFFORD SIX MORE YEARS OF
THIS PRESIDENT.
I THINK THAT THE CONSEQUENCES
WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT AND I THINK
THAT IT WOULD BE DISASTROUS.
AND I FRANKLY BELIEVE THAT THE
FUTURE OF THE REPUBLIC HINGES ON
THE OUTCOME OF THE 2020
ELECTION.
>> Rosemary: SO WHEN YOU'RE
MEETING WITH PEOPLE LIKE DAVID
AXLEROD AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO
KNOW HOW TO DO THIS, ARE THEY
TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY?
>> VERY.
IN FACT, I HAVE BEEN -- I HAVE
BEEN SURPRISED AT THE AMOUNT OF
POSITIVE FEEDBACK AND
ENCOURAGEMENT THAT I HAVE
RECEIVED FROM SENIOR INDIVIDUALS
WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND
PEOPLE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
>> Rosemary: SO YOU HAVE
ALMOST NO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE?
>> NOT JUST HERE IN CALIFORNIA
BUT IN FLORIDA AND IN IOWA AND
NEW YORK AND NEW HAMPSHIRE AND
TWO TRIPS TO OHIO AND ELSEWHERE.
AND, LOOK, THIS IS A UNIQUE
SITUATION.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BEAT DONALD
TRUMP BY NOMINATING AN
EXPERIENCED HIGHLY KNOWLEDGEABLE
TYPICAL POLITICIAN THAT CAN'T
HOLD A STAGE WITH HIM AND THAT
CANNOT COMPETE WITH HIM WITHIN
THE MEDIA REALM THAT WE FIND
OURSELVES IN.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
HE'S BEAT 16 TO 17 OF THOSE
INDIVIDUALS ALREADY AND THE
DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING
THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER
AGAIN AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT
RESULT.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING TO
HAPPEN.
UNLESS THE DEMOCRATS NOMINATE
THE APPROPRIATE CANDIDATE IN
2020.
AND, BY THE WAY, I DON'T BELIEVE
THAT I'M THE ONLY INDIVIDUAL
THAT CAN DO THAT.
I THINK THAT THERE'S A FEW
OTHERS THAT CAN DO IT.
AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER THEY
DECIDE TO RUN OR NOT.
>> Rosemary: YOU SAID IN ONE
OF THESE SPEECHES THAT YOU HAVE
BEEN GIVING THAT WHEN THEY GO
LOW WE HIT HARDER.
>> WE MUST BE THE PARTY THAT
MARTIALS THE POWER OF LAW AND
GOVERNMENT TO STRIKE BACK AT
THOSE THAT STRIKE OUR CHEEK AND
TO BRING THOSE TO JUSTICE.
WHEN THEY GO LOW, I SAY, WE HIT
HARDER.
[Applause]
>> Rosemary: WHY IS THAT THE
RIGHT ANSWER FOR PUBLIC
DISCOURSE IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT
NOW?
BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU
GUYS CAN GO MUCH LOWER OR
HARDER.
>> WELL, THE DEMOCRATS CERTAINLY
CAN GO HARDER.
I MEAN, THE DEMOCRATS HAVE
BEEN OUT OF THIS FOR TOO LONG
AND THEY'VE BEEN OUTPLAYED AND
OUTBEATEN BY THE REPUBLICANS FOR
A VERY LONG TIME.
>> Rosemary: RIGHT, BUT I'M
NOT SURE THAT GOING HARDER AND A
CANDIDATE THAT IS GOING TO
EMBRACE THE SOCIAL MEDIA IN THE
SAME WAY AS DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE
IN SOME WAYS YOU KNOW HOW TO
MOVE THE SOCIAL MEDIA THE SAME
WAY THAT HE DOES.
HOW DOES THAT MAKE THINGS BETTER
FOR THIS COUNTRY WHEN YOU ALL
END UP PLAYING ON THE SAME LEVEL
LEVEL?
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
I'M WONDERING HOW THAT IMPROVES
POLITICS AND IMPROVES PEOPLE'S
LIVES AND IMPROVES DEMOCRACY?
>> THIS IS ABOUT WINNING.
IF YOU DON'T WIN IN 2020 YOU
WILL NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO
IMPLEMENT POLICIES THAT AFFECT
PEOPLE'S LIVES.
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A CHANCE TO
UNIFY THIS
COUNTRY ON RACE OR OTHERWISE.
YOU'RE JUST NOT.
SO ANYBODY THAT CLAIMS
OTHERWISE IN MY VIEW IS JUST
WRONG.
SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOW ONE IS
GOING TO GOVERN, THIS IS ABOUT
HOW ONE IS GOING TO GET THE
OPPORTUNITY TO GOVERN.
DONALD TRUMP IS INEPT AT A LOT
OF THINGS.
HE'S ALSO BRILLIANT AT A NUMBER
OF THINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S
BRILLIANT ABOUT IS HIS USE OF
SOCIAL MEDIA AND HIS USE OF
TWITTER.
HE'S AN EXPERT CAMPAIGNER.
AND HE KNOWS HOW TO MOTIVATE HIS
BASE.
HE KNOWS HOW TO DELIVER BRANDING
AND MESSAGING.
TOO MANY PEOPLE HAVE
UNDERESTIMATED THIS GUY.
AND I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT
OTHERS MAY ALSO LOOK TO
UNDERESTIMATE HIM IN 2020 AND
HE'S NOT TO BE UNDERESTIMATED.
THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS A SHOT
OF BEATING THIS GUY IS SOMEBODY
WITH A BIG PERSONALITY THAT
KNOWS HOW TO HIT BACK.
>> Rosemary: THE QUESTION THAT
I'D HAVE FOR YOU ABOUT THE
DISADVANTAGE WOULD BE THAT
DONALD TRUMP ARRIVED ON THE
SCENE AND HE WAS A KNOWN
COMMODITY TO AMERICANS, RIGHT?
I MEAN, HE HAD SORT OF BEEN IN
THEIR LIVING ROOMS AND HE HAD
BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH MONEY.
YOU ARE NOT AS WELL KNOWN.
PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO GET TO
KNOW YOU BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE
SAME KIND OF BRAND THAT HE DID
WHEN HE GOT INTO IT.
WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT
YOU'D REFLECT ON?
DO YOU THINK THAT YOU COULD
STILL TAKE HIM ON GIVEN THE FACT
THAT HE HAS THIS REPUTATION,
LOVE HIM OR HATE HIM?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
DO YOU THINK THAT DONALD TRUMP
WANTS TO FACE ME ON A DEBATE
STAGE?
I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK THAT THE DICHOTOMY
BETWEEN ME AND DONALD TRUMP ON
THE DEBATE STAGE WOULD BE
SHOCKING, FRANKLY.
THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY VIEW THAT
I HAVE THE PRESENCE TO DO THAT.
THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY VIEW THAT
I CERTAINLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO
GO TOE-TO-TOE WITH HIM OR BEYOND
FROM AN INTELLIGENCE AND INCITE
STANDPOINT, FRANKLY.
AND I THINK THAT HE WOULD NOT,
DOES NOT, WANT TO FACE SOMEONE
LIKE ME IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
>> Rosemary: UM-HMM.
YOU SAID THAT THE RUN FOR
PRESIDENCY WOULDN'T BE ABOUT
YOUR EGO.
THERE HAS TO BE A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT YOUR EGO?
>> WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE EGO --
>> Rosemary: YOU SOUND PRETTY
CONFIDENT.
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EGO TO
RUN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, OF COURSE.
FRANKLY -- LOOK, HERE'S THE TEST
AS IT RELATES TO WHETHER THIS IS
ABOUT MY EGO -- IF DONALD TRUMP
DOES NOT RUN AND IF MIKE PENCE
DOES NOT RUN, I WILL NOT SEEK
THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT.
AND I'LL PROBABLY NEVER SEEK THE
OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY.
SO THAT IS THE TEST, FRANKLY, AS
TO WHETHER THIS IS ABOUT MY EGO
OR WHETHER THIS IS ABOUT SOLVING
A DUMPSTER FIRE OF A PRESIDENCY
THAT THREATENS NOT ONLY THE
UNITED STATES, BUT THE REST OF
THE WORLD PERHAPS.
>> Rosemary: SO WHEN DO YOU
MAKE A DECISION THEN?
HOW DOES THIS UNFOLD?
YOU'LL KEEP TALKING TO PEOPLE?
>> I'LL KEEP TALKING TO PEOPLE.
I HONESTLY DO NOT --
>> Rosemary: SEE HOW THE
MIDTERMS GO?
>> CORRECT.
I HONESTLY DO NOT HAVE A
TIMELINE FOR THIS.
I'LL CONTINUE TO TRAVEL AROUND
THE COUNTRY.
>> Rosemary: ARE YOU BUILDING
A TEAM?
>> I'M CONSULTING WITH PEOPLE,
I'M IN THE PROCESS OF
CONTEMPLATING BRINGING PEOPLE ON
TO HELP ME IN THE PROCESS.
>> Rosemary: HAVE YOU TALKED
TO FORMER PRESIDENTS?
>> AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO GET
INTO WHO I HAVE TALKED TO OR WHO
I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ABOUT THIS.
BUT, LOOK, I DIDN'T BUILD MY
LIFE AROUND TRYING TO TAKE A
SHOT AT THIS, I DIDN'T.
I WOULD HAVE DONE A LOT OF
THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT I
DID DO THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE
DONE.
AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS
THAT I DIDN'T DO THAT I SHOULD
HAVE DONE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS
AND THAT'S THE HONEST TO GOD
TRUTH.
I'M 47 YEARS OF AGE AND I DIDN'T
EXPECT TO BE PUT IN THIS
POSITION.
BUT THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS
PROBLEM FACING THE UNITED STATES
AND OTHERS.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO
SOLVE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THAT GUY
YET.
>> Rosemary: WHAT IS WITH
"BASTA"?
WITH THE TWEETS THERE'S BEEN
"BASTA."
>> SO "BASTA" IS A WORD THAT I
FIRST CAME TO KNOW FROM MY
GRANDMOTHER ON MY FATHER'S SIDE,
SHE WAS ITALIAN AND SHE USED TO
SAY TO ME "BASTA" GROWING UP AS
IN "ENOUGH."
SO WHEN I FIRST GOT INVOLVED IN
THIS CASE I THOUGHT IT WAS
RATHER APROPOS
UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES SO I
STARTED USING #BASTA AND IT
CAUGHT ON.
>> Rosemary: SO THE ANTI-TRUMP
MONICER THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING
TO GIVE YOU AND MAYBE THAT
YOU'RE EMBRACING, I'M UNSURE,
IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME HERE.
YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT?
>> THAT I'M THE ANTI-TRUMP?
>> Rosemary: YEAH.
>> I THINK THAT UNDER THE
CIRCUMSTANCES I CAN THINK OF FEW
THINGS
THAT WOULD BE AS COMPLIMENTARY.
>> Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME.
VERY NICE TO MEET YOU.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
>> Ian: UP NEXT ON "THE
NATIONAL," YOU WILL MEET A YOUNG
MAN IN MONTRÉAL FIGHTING TO BE
SEEN AND HEARD.
THE FOUNDER OF CANADA'S FIRST
ALL-TRANS RECORD LABEL.
(*)
* PUT YOUR HANDS UP
PUT YOUR HANDS UP *
(*)
>> I WANT TO BE RECOGNISED AS A
HUMAN AND I WANT PEOPLE LIKE ME
TO BE RECOGNISED AS HUMAN BEINGS
TOO.
>> Ian: FIRST THOUGH WE WANT TO
TELL YOU ABOUT A STORY THAT
YOU'LL SEE HERE TOMORROW NIGHT
ON "THE NATIONAL."
YOU WILL HEAR FROM TWO SURVIVORS
FROM THE VAN ATTACK.
IOANNA ROUMELIOTIS SPOKE TO THEM
ABOUT THE HORROR OF THAT DAY AND
THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAVE
FACED SINCE THEN AND HOW THEIR
LIVES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME.
HERE'S A PREVIEW...
>> Reporter: IT WAS THE FIRST
WARM DAY OF SPRING.
(*)
A RETIRED LIBRARIAN AND AVID
READER, SMITH WAS ON HER WAY TO
THE PUBLIC LIBRARY NEAR HER
CONDO WHEN THE VAN STRUCK HER
AND HURDLED ON.
IT HAD ALREADY LEFT A TRAIL OF
BROKEN BODIES AND INTERSECTING
LIVES.
HEADING TO THE SAME LIBRARY,
UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO STUDENT
SORA AND HER BEST FRIEND SOHI.
IT WAS SO NICE OUT, THEY HAD
DECIDED TO WALK THE THREE BLOCKS
FROM THE APARTMENT THEY SHARED.
>> THERE WAS BLOOD EVERYWHERE ON
MY BODY AND I FELT SEVERE PAIN
AROUND MY FACE AREA.
AND THEN I WAS LOOKING AROUND TO
FIGURE OUT AND THEN I SAW SOBI
LYING ON THE GROUND BESIDE ME.
HER CLOTHES AND HER FACE AND
EVERYTHING SEEMED SO FINE, BUT
SHE WAS JUST UNCONSCIOUS SO I
THOUGHT THAT SHE DIDN'T, LIKE --
IT'S, LIKE, I THOUGHT THAT IT'S
JUST TAKING A BIT OF MORE TIME
FOR HER TO WAKE UP.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW, LIKE
(*)
>> Ian: ON OUR SERIES "SEEN AND
HEARD" WE TAKE AN INTIMATE LOOK
AT YOUNG PEOPLE GRAPPLING WITH
EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES.
LUCAS CHARLIE ROSE IS A
TRANSGENDER HIP-HOP ARTIST
LIVING IN MONTRÉAL.
HE KNOWS THE PRESSURES AND
DANGERS THAT CAN COME WITH BEING
A TRANS PERSON OF COLOUR AND HE
TRIES TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR
HIS COMMUNITY.
FOR MORE THAN A YEAR ROSE HAS
BEEN TAKING TESTOSTERONE
INJECTIONS AS PART OF HIS
TRANSITION AND THAT'S WHERE
TONIGHT'S STORY BEGINS.
(*)
(*)
(*)
>> WHEN I GREW UP I DIDN'T KNOW
THIS EXISTED.
SO FOR ME IT'S LIKE I HAD ALL OF
THESE THOUGHTS IN MY HEAD, LIKE
I HAVE A CRUSH ON THIS GIRL.
AND I FEEL LIKE I'M A GUY OR
WHATEVER.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW -- I THOUGHT
THAT I WAS SICK.
AND ALL OF THE MOMENTS IN MY
LIFE THAT I DIDN'T REALLY
UNDERSTAND WENT BACK IN FRONT OF
MY
EYES I AM LIKE, SHIT, YEAH,
ACTUALLY I'M TRANS.
TODAY I'M ONE WEEK ON... TODAY
I'M
I'M FOUR MONTHS... AND TODAY I'M
ONE YEAR.
>> HORMONES MAKE ME FEEL GOOD.
WHEN I DON'T HAVE HORMONES I'M
NOT MYSELF.
I HAVE THEM, LIKE, YEAH... I
DON'T WANT TO GO BACK.
(*)
* YEAH I WORK
(*)
YEAH, IF I CAN'T BE AROUND
PEOPLE
WHO MAKE ME FEEL VALIDATED AND
ACTUALLY SEE ME FOR WHO I AM,
THEN I DON'T EXIST.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT'S A
NATURAL THING FOR HUMAN BEINGS
TO WANT TO BE SURROUNDED FOR
PEOPLE WHO ACCEPT THEM FOR WHO
THEY ARE AND ACTUALLY RESPECT
THEIR IDENTITIES AND SEE THEM AS
HUMAN BEINGS.
* I'M WORKING I'M WORKING
* I'M WORKING
* I'M LIVING AND SEEING HOW
YOU'RE MAKING IT *
BEING A BLACK TRANS PERSON IN
THIS WORLD CAN BE REALLY, REALLY
BE LONELY, RIGHT?
BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T SEE YOU AND
PEOPLE DON'T SEE YOU WHEN THEY
SEE YOU, AND THEY SEE YOU AS --
THEY JUST DON'T SEE YOU WHO YOU
ARE AND THEY SEE YOU AS
SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT?
PEOPLE WOULD MAKE FUN OF ME
BECAUSE I DIDN'T DRESS LIKE THE
OTHER GIRLS.
BUT YOU'RE SUCH A BOY OR
WHATEVER.
AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, YEAH,
PEOPLE BULLIED ME ALL THE TIME.
IN MONTRÉAL, I HAVE FRIENDS, I
HAVE SUPPORT, I HAVE FANS AND
IT'S NOT
JUST EVEN IN MONTRÉAL THAT I
HAVE THAT, BUT IT'S THANKS TO
MONTRÉAL THAT I HAVE THAT.
AND IN MONTRÉAL THAT'S WHERE I
LEARNED HOW TO BE MYSELF.
THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE SAW ME FOR
THE FIRST TIME.
* THEY DON'T KNOW WHO I AM
* YET THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ME
* TRYING TO BURDEN ME
* BUT I WON'T
LET THEM DO IT *
* I'M TOO LOUD AND TOO PROUD
I STARTED A NON-PROFIT RECORD
LABEL CALLED TRANSGENDERS AND
FOR ME IT'S A PROJECT SO THAT
PEOPLE CAN SEE THEMSELVES.
>> * THIS IS WHAT TRANS LOOKS
LIKE *
AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN SEE US.
* I'M THE BOSS
* MAYBE I'M THE BOSS
AND IT'S ALSO GOOD MUSIC AND WE
CAN DO WHATEVER PEOPLE CAN DO,
YOU KNOW, AND IF NOT BETTER,
BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SO
UNDERRATED SO WE HAVE TO WORK
HARDER THAN OTHER PEOPLE.
* I'M THE BOSS
(*)
I KNOW HOW TO WORK WITHOUT, AND
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I
CAN SHOW TO MY COMMUNITY.
>> * BABY IT'S YOURS
* SCORES
>> I JUST REALLY WANT
TRANS PEOPLE'S NARRATIVES TO BE
PART OF THE INDUSTRY.
YOU ACTUALLY CAN BE QUEER AND
YOU CAN BE HAPPY AND IT DOESN'T
HAVE TO BE THIS TERRIBLE THING
THAT EVERYBODY IS LIKE BULLYING
YOU ABOUT AND TELLING YOU THAT
YOU'RE SUCH A TERRIBLE PERSON.
(*)
>> PUT YOUR HANDS UP *
* PUT YOUR HANDS UP
>> I WANT TO BE RECOGNISED AS A
HUMAN AND I WANT PEOPLE LIKE ME
TO BE RECOGNISED AS HUMANS TOO.
PEOPLE SEE ME AND JUST, YEAH,
NOT LOOK AT ME LIKE I'M A FREAK
OR I'M DANGEROUS OR I'M ALL OF
THESE THINGS.
NO, I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE ME FOR
ME.
LIKE I'M ACTUALLY -- I'M JUST
SOMEBODY WHO IS TRYING TO LIVE
LIFE AND SURVIVE AND SEE MY
PEOPLE DO IT TOO.
>> Ian: OUR SERIES "SEEN AND
HEARD" CONTINUES NEXT SUNDAY
WITH THE STORY OF AN INUIT POP
ICON.
(*)
25-YEAR-OLD KELLY FRASER ROSE TO
FAME ACROSS THE CANADIAN ARCTIC
BY SINGING THE SONG "DIAMONDS"
IN HER LANGUAGE.
FRASER HAS DEALT WITH TRAGEDY IN
HER YOUNG LIFE AND DRAWS ON THAT
TO SPREAD A MESSAGE OF HEALING
AND RESILIENCE FOR INUIT YOUTH.
HER STORY IS NEXT SUNDAY ON "THE
NATIONAL."
(*)
(*)
>> Ian: HERE ARE SOME OF THE
STORIES THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING
THIS WEEK ON "THE NATIONAL"...
>>> THE CITY OF TORONTO WILL
LEARN THE RESULTS OF ITS LEGAL
CHALLENGE AGAINST THE ONTARIO
GOVERNMENT ON MONDAY.
IT'S FIGHTING PREMIER DOUG
FORD'S PLAN TO CUT THE SIZE OF
CITY COUNCIL FROM 47 TO 25.
CITY LAWYERS ARGUED THAT THE
CHANGE
WOULD VIOLATE THE CHARTER RIGHTS
OF VOTERS AND CANDIDATES.
>>> THE HUMBOLDT BRONCOS RETURN
TO THE ICE ON WEDNESDAY FOR
THEIR SEASON OPENER.
IT'S THEIR FIRST HOME GAME SINCE
THE BUS CRASH LAST APRIL THAT
KILLED 16 AND LEFT OTHERS WITH
LIFE-LONG INJURIES.
THEY'LL FACE THE HAWKS, THE SAME
TEAM THAT THE BRONCOS WERE
TRAVELLING TO PLAY THE NIGHT OF
THE CRASH.
>>> JUSTIN TRUDEAU AND JAGMEET
SINGH ARE BOTH MEETING WITH
THEIR CAUCUSES THIS WEEK.
THE N.D.P. RETREAT WILL BEGIN IN
SURREY, BRITISH COLUMBIA, WHILE
THE LIBERALS MEET IN SASKATOON.
BOTH PARTIES WILL BE DISCUSSING
PLATFORM ISSUES THAT WILL TAKE
THEM INTO THE FEDERAL ELECTION A
LITTLE OVER A YEAR AWAY.
>>> IT'S NOT OFTEN A WRONG PHONE
NUMBER BRINGS LOTS OF
PEOPLE TOGETHER BUT A MISSED
CONNECTION AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALGARY HAS DONE JUST THAT.
HERE'S THE BACKGROUND... CARLOS
ZATINA MET A YOUNG WOMAN NAMED
NICOLE AT A BAR AND ASKED FOR
HER NUMBER.
LATER HE DISCOVERED THAT NUMBER
DIDN'T WORK.
HE WAS DETERMINED THOUGH AND HE
EMAILED EVERY NICOLE WITH THE U
OF C EMAIL.
UNFORTUNATELY, "THE" NICOLE
DIDN'T GET THE ANSWERS BUT THE
OTHERS SURE DID AND "THE
NICOLES" HAVE
OUR "MOMENT OF THE DAY" UPON.
>> WE CREATED A FACEBOOK GROUP
CALLED "NICOLE FROM LAST NIGHT."
>> Ian: AND THEY CALL IT A
BONDING EXPERIENCE, ALL OF THE
NICOLES AND NIKKIS AND
NICOLETTES THAT YOU
WOULD SEE, 246 OF THEM,
STRANGERS REALLY WERE INVITED TO
MEET UP AT A LOCAL BAR AND A
BUNCH DID.
>> WHEN THE EMAIL STARTED
ROLLING THROUGH I WAS SO EXCITED
AND IT MADE ME FEEL LESS LONELY
ON CAMPUS.
>> TO BE THROWN TOGETHER WITH
240ISH NEAT UNIVERSITY OF
CALGARY STUDENTS WHO SHARE MY
NAME OR DERIVATIVES OF MY NAME
HAS BEEN GREAT.
>> Ian: IT TURNS OUT THEY HAVE
MORE IN COMMON THAN JUST THEIR
NAME AND THEY'LL TRY TO MEET UP
ONCE A MONTH.
AND THE KICKER?
WHILE THE NICOLES WERE HANGING
OUT "THE" NICOLE GOT IN TOUCH.
TURNS OUT
SHE DIDN'T MEAN TO GIVE CARLOS
THE WRONG NUMBER.
>> THEN WE WERE LIKE WE GOT SO
EXCITED BECAUSE WE HAD HIS
NUMBER FROM THE EMAIL THAT HE
SENT TO 250 WOMEN.
WE CONNECTED THEM.
>> Ian: SO THE NICOLES, THEY
PLAYED MATCHMAKER.
CARLOS AND "THE" NICOLE WILL
MEET UP, AT LEAST AS FRIENDS.
SO WHAT "THE" NICOLE DID NOT
HAVE AN EMAIL THAT CARLOS COULD
FIND BUT AS I MENTIONED THEY
WILL GET TOGETHER AND "THE"
NICOLE TALKED TO OUR COLLEAGUES
AT CBC CALGARY AND DIDN'T WANT
HER VOICE USED PUBLICLY BUT SHE
DID TELL CBC CALGARY THAT SHE
WANTS TO MEET AS FRIENDS.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT CARLOS IS
HOPING FOR BUT AT LEAST THEY'LL
GET TOGETHER AND WE'LL STAY ON
TOP OF THIS DEVELOPING STORY FOR
YOU.
THAT IS "THE NATIONAL" FOR
SEPTEMBER 9th.
GOODNIGHT.
(*)
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