When you say that biblical theism is the only worldview that passes the four tests
You have shown us
Or that you can prove the existence of God
How is that different from proving God's existence by unaided?
reason
Remember up on the board today
It's blank because I expect you all to know them by now whenever someone offers an argument
You want to know if the argument will fly. So what's the checklist you're going to look for?
Secondly thirdly
Or flee I
Love you, I wish I could take you home. That's right. Now somebody says
Now somebody says but those four things those tests that you have
Isn't that the same as trying to prove the Bible by unaided reason?
That is haven't I gone to the unbeliever and suggested you be neutral
I'll be neutral and here these four tests that we all want to accept and
we'll use these four tests to decide who's right and who's wrong and
I'm not sure if the question or understood this may be so but you see there's such a subtlety and depth to this I want
You to appreciate?
first of all
This is not the answer to the question directly, but you have to understand as Christians we do Appeal to Reason
Christians use reason to defend the faith
But there's a great difference between our view of reason and what non-christians view as reason
and
Here's the difference to put it very simply. We see reason as a tool
God has given us tools
he's given us hands, right and with these hands we can play tennis and we can slice zucchini and do all sorts of really
Important and joyful things in this world. These are tools
Let's say tools for Dominion, right?
but God has also given us other tools and one of those tools is our intellectual ability our
Thinking ability what we call our reasoning
Just how well would you get along in this world if you couldn't reason?
Okay
You're standing on the railroad tracks. You perceive a train coming toward you at 120 miles per hour and you?
Reason
Trains weighing as they do and going at that speed
Would make a person of my size and density a puddle
Today I'm not interested in being a puddle and therefore I'd better move
Reasoning is a tool by which we get around in this world. Hopefully don't get hit by trains and can do other more important things
But the unbeliever doesn't think reason is a tool the unbeliever thinks reason is the ultimate authority
That reason stands on its own if you will and that all men live subject to the God of reason
Now whenever things are presented in this way Christians if you don't stop and think about it
It's easy to fall into one of two errors. You can say
Oh, I guess we're gonna use reason we have to make it our ultimate God and authority then because that's what the unbeliever says
That's one mistake or the others to say. Well since we don't see reason as they do then we'll just say we don't use reason
Yeah, you have your reason we have our faith. That's not the answer we
Do use reason they try to use reason but for them reasons their ultimate authority for us its subordinate to the authority of God
If any of you were here two years ago when the dialog
That I had with George Smith was passed out the tape of that radio
Dialogue, you may remember this George Smith this well-known atheist wrote
You know the case against God and so forth as all the arguments down blah blah blah
He came in and he argued that he couldn't hold the Christianity or to any other
belief in God because you have to do it on faith and
He believes in following reason
He says Christians actually say that we're reason let's offer ends then faith begins
and he says and I'm not willing to go with them past reason into
And my response to him in essence was George you're wrong
We don't believe that reason takes you so far than faith takes over. We believe that without faith. You can't reason at all
And he was devastated
I guess he'd never heard that kind of thing
Said we believe in order to understand our faith is in order to use reason and if you don't have faith
reason finally disintegrates
It runs into its own problems
now the reason
The purpose for all of this is to tell you that the four things I've put up here on the board are not
independent
ultimate authority of reason
Considerations they are in fact and here's the subtlety. They are in fact a reflection of the Christian worldview
That's what I'm telling people is
if you want to judge anything, you have to judge it by the Christian worldview because that's the ultimate authority or
You know God in His revelation, which we have now called the the Christian worldview. That's our ultimate authority
One more time the application of these four things is simply an application of the Christian worldview. It's not an
independent authority
Something separate from the Christian worldview and I can make that I think pretty obvious to you. We reject arbitrariness
Why do we reject arbitrariness because we say only God has the authority to speak for himself
so when other people come around and they say well
I think I think I think we said that's arbitrary. You're not God. You don't have the right to say that
But if you are an unbeliever
And you were being consistent and they aren't and that's why we can you know defend the faith of them
But if you were being a consistent
Analytical clear conceptually clear unbeliever, you'd say hey, everybody has the right to be arbitrary. There's no God. You can't say there's one truth
Now right a
Consistent unbeliever should never have let me use the standard of arbitrariness against him. He should have said I have the right to be arbitrary
Now what's going to happen when the in believer searched the right to be arbitrary he refutes himself doesn't he and
So I'm applying my Christian worldview to him and if he's really keen about this. He's clever
He's gonna say, oh no, I'm not gonna buy into that Authority. No
No, I get the right to be arbitrary and I say fine now. What's the consequence if you were arbitrary?
And then he says oh wait a minute
consequences saying
You Christians believe that we live in a universe where causes and effects are connected to each other
you believe therefore that consequences are a way of judging the things that bring about those consequences, but in my worldview
I'm not gonna buy into that. There is no order between anything and therefore there are no consequences. Everything is random and by chance
You see I was begging the question and here. I'm glad to do that
I'm proud of myself when I use consequences as a standard
I'm thinking as a Christian think jesus said you you know a tree by its fruit you look at the consequences
But the unbeliever doesn't think there are consequences. Whatever happens is just random. This world's a crapshoot
who knows what the dice are gonna bring out and
So if he were consistent the unbeliever would say I'm not going to accept consequences as a standard
That's what Christians would do and I don't want to be a Christian
Or what about inconsistencies?
Why is it that I insist that we are not allowed to have inconsistencies in our worldview
well because I believe in a sovereign God who doesn't lie as
Paul says our word to you is not yes, and no and God speaks
He doesn't contradict himself and therefore we're not allowed to contradict ourselves when we reason
But if you were an unbeliever and you took seriously your unbelieving worldview you'd say hey
You can't use inconsistencies that assumes that there's order that there's some absolute abstract Universal
System of thinking that reflects God I guess
But I don't believe in God so I don't believe in logic
What happens to the person who doesn't believe in logic?
and you say well, I guess you do because since you don't believe in logic
Contradictions are acceptable and so I can contradict you and you can't rule that out
so over no again what you see is that what I've put up here on the board is
Ultimately a reflection of a Christian view of thinking no arbitrariness
No, inconsistencies consider the consequences and then finally, what are the preconditions of intelligibility?
Somebody says well, but you Christians when you talk about when you argue about the preconditions of intelligibility
are
Assuming your answer to the question
To which we say, of course
If we didn't assume
that God is the precondition of
intelligibility while we're arguing with people about the precondition of intelligibility then God would not in fact be the
precondition of intelligibility winning
We're not saying that God is the precondition of intelligibility everywhere except when you talk about God in His authority
Which is to say his being the precondition of intelligibility, so it's all within your reasoning in a circle
We don't allow that well by now. This has become old hat - you say well when you're talking about ultimate authorities, what's the alternative?
You either assume your ultimate authority is ultimate or it's not your ultimate authority. Of course, we reason in our circle and so do you
by the way, when people argue in favor of logic
Don't you think they assumed the laws of logic while they're arguing about the laws of logic?
Yeah, they do
When people try to demonstrate the reliability of the human eye, do you think they do that with their eyes closed?
No, they use the human eye even while they're trying to demonstrate the usefulness of the human eye
Which is just to say they assume the very thing that's in question
That must always be the case now does Christianity provide the preconditions of intelligibility?
Does God have self a testing authority?
Well, of course on the Christian story he does
Our ultimate Authority is the personal God speaking to us in his word
What does God appeal to to show his authority? He says you accept it because I said it
Perfectly consistent and he says and if you do not your reasoning will be reduced to foolishness
1st Corinthians 1 verse 20 here's Paul's apologetic. Where is the wise?
Where is the scribe where is the debater of the world hasn't God made foolish the wisdom of this world
Bring the wisest most academically competent most
intellectual unbeliever you want in Paul says God makes foolish the wisdom of this world because
We have the preconditions of intelligibility
We can explain in terms of our view of the world man God and so forth wide there's dignity to human life
Why logic is necessary why the scientific method is workable so forth and so on why there are moral absolutes
But the unbeliever no matter what his options are cannot provide the preconditions of intelligibility
Now since that's true when I put preconditions of intelligibility down on the checklist a
Really sharp, unbeliever ought to say, oh, I'm not falling for that. I know where that's gone
Because I don't have the preconditions of intelligibility
And you Christians do I'm not going to let you use that it's a standard because then you'll be begging the question
Well, he's right I am begging the question. But now what's the alternative?
So what he says I reject
Preconditions of intelligibility what he's saying is I don't care whether what I'm saying is making sense or anything
it doesn't have to be intelligent or
intelligible
okay, so I have taken longer on this than others because I want you to understand these four things that I put up on the
board are merely a reflection of my Christian worldview and
you can use them because
Unbelievers don't want to be unreasonable
Arbitrary and so forth, but if they were consistent, they'd say, oh well
We're not going to use those standards because we don't want to be Christians
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