Welcome to the show.
-It's lovely to be here. -It's so amazing having you,
especially on your birthday.
-Happy birthday. -On my birthday!
-(cheering) -Happy birthday.
Thank you. Thank you for the cake.
Yeah? What did you want? If you had, like, one wish,
what would you have for your birthday?
Mm, I can't tell you.
(laughter)
You just got it, huh?
I know, I know exactly what it is.
I feel like it's someone leaving office?
That's probably what... that's what I'll get.
Uh, no. Um, let's talk about the book,
let's talk about your career.
Um, so, I first knew you from the White House briefings.
-Yes. -I think many people in America
started knowing April Ryan from those White House briefings
-Before this administration. -that happened... Yes.
Before this administration. People go,
"Oh, there's April Ryan. She asks the questions."
You were... you were, you know, part of the crew.
You were asking questions of different leaders.
-Under Trump, though... -Mm.
it feels like you have a different role,
and you speak about that in the book.
Under Fire. Do you consider yourself under fire?
Yes. I'm warred upon.
W-A-R-R-E-D upon.
Um, I don't have a different role.
It's the same role. It's just this administration
looks at what I ask in a different way.
Trevor, I have... asked questions
from Bill Clinton to now,
and I think I'm an equal opportunity offender.
I've had people tell me, "Remember when the NAACP
didn't like you?"
"Remember when the Congressional Black Caucus didn't like you?"
"Remember when the Obama administration didn't like you?"
"Remember when the George W. Bush administration
-didn't like you?" -Right.
"Remember when the Bill Clinton administration didn't like you?"
I ask questions for answers and for truth,
and this administration, for some strange reason, you know,
they're lumped into the same boat as the others who said,
"Oh, she might be asking questions that we don't like,"
but they've taken it to another degree.
-In what way? -Trying to discredit me,
trying to kill my career,
trying to make me look as if I'm someone that I'm not.
-Right. -I am a journalist.
I'm not an activist-journalist.
I'm just a journalist who's activist...
who is an activist for truth,
who is activating the freedom of the press,
-Right. -and walking in that.
Because if we don't ask those questions,
you're not gonna find out what's happening.
And it's about us being in that room
able to freely and independently
ask the President of the United States questions
for the American public to get answers.
And John McCain was absolutely right, Trevor Noah.
If, um-- and I gave you your whole government name...
(laughter)
So John McCain was absolutely right.
He said, you know, if the press is suppressed or oppressed,
it begins dictatorship.
And I'm-I'm really questioning what's happening now.
Are we a democracy or are we going down another path?
Do you feel like you're getting answers, though?
Because I watch those briefings--
You spend all your time asking so many questions.
I see how vexed you get as reporters
and as journalists together--
Do you feel like that room has a purpose now under Trump?
The room always has a purpose.
It's about transparency.
And do we get answers?
We get the answers that they want to give us.
It may not necessarily be the truth.
It could be spin.
Um, they're insulting our intelligence a lot of times,
particularly, right now, with Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
I think of something, just-- I heard the crowd. (laughs)
Um... -(laughter and applause)
My dear friend Sarah and her pie. Yes.
Um, no. Particularly with Sarah, sometimes I wonder:
Does she really know what's going on?
And then is she spinning?
You know, I think about-- there's one example
that really sticks out to me, and it was recent--
where the president went to a rally, and he said,
"You know when-when you go to the grocery store
and you need your I.D. card."
-And we were like, "What?" -Right, right, right.
And then the next day, Sarah had to "pres-splain."
-You know mansplaining? -Mm-hmm.
"You know, he said this, but this is what he meant."
I mean, seriously, that's what's happening.
And she said, "Well, you know, when the president said that,
he was talking about beer and wine."
And we were like, "No, that's not what he said."
He said when you go to a grocery store you need your I.D. card.
So it's a time for us to use critical thinking,
and really see what's going on
because we're at a critical time.
We're at a time of crisis, political crisis.
We're at a national security crisis.
There's so much on the table, but this president smiles
and acts like it's okay, and it's not.
It's-- There's no denying that America's press
for a very long time, especially the mainstream press,
has had a particularly white male-dominated skew, right?
And so, in the press room, you have a unique position,
and you talk about this in the book.
You're in a position where you are a journalist,
but you cannot deny where you come from.
You cannot deny who you are as a person.
Do you think that maybe some of their retaliatory feelings
towards you is that it feels like you're doing something
that's oppositional because you're a black woman?
It feels like-- mm. I would say,
if you can taste it, smell it, touch it, it is what it is.
Um... (laughs)
(cheering and applause)
-It's the truth. -Right.
Washington has been, and still is,
a white male-dominated town.
Even when Barack Obama was president of the United States,
it was still a white male-dominated town.
And for-for many, they don't want to relinquish
what has been tradition or history.
I just happen to be a black woman who is a journalist,
who asks questions on everything.
You know, I asked about Russia,
and Sean Spicer told me to stop shaking my head.
I asked about the NFL,
and I'm called a name from the podium. I'm called rude.
Um, and I asked the president of the United States, you know,
"Mr. President, are you a racist?
Now I'm on a blacklist.
You know, but what's happened to me has not happened
to many of the other reporters in that room.
And I'm-a give you another example.
Charlottesville was a watershed moment
-for this president. -Mm-hmm.
That weekend that Charlottesville happened,
I was in New Orleans
receiving the Journalist of the Year Award for 2017.
And that weekend, that-- I got it that Saturday--
that Sunday morning, that next day,
there was this-this campaign ad for President Trump
talking about the reporters who are trying to thwart his agenda.
-Right. -The only reporter in that video was me,
a White House correspondent.
I was the only White House correspondent in that ad.
The rest happened to be news anchors:
Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon,
-Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer. -Right, right, right.
I'm the only one. The weekend of Charlottesville.
They put a target on my head.
Not one other journalist until recently
has had that happen to them.
Why? Because I ask questions?
So if you ask me, "Is it about race?"
that's a lot of... to stir up the pot
for-for his base.
It's interesting that you tried--
and you talk about this in the book--
you tried to reach out to Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
-I did. I did. -You said, "Let's-let's squash this beef.
-Let's..." -I did.
Which-which I found admirable
and-and at the same time, I-I want to say a little naive.
Because I only have the image of her as Sarah,
so I go like, "Why would you think
that anything good would come of it?"
But you genuinely believe
that if you could sit down with her and have dinner,
that a human being would meet you on the other side?
(laughs)
Um, you know, some people may think
she's an alien, but I don't.
-Even in the midst of all that's happened to me. -Right.
Um, you know, Sarah is a person like I'm a person.
She's a mother. I'm a mother.
And when we had dinner, we broke bread, it was...
We tried to come together on the commonality.
Um, we talked about church. We talked about ourselves.
We talked about our death threats, you know.
She with her death threats
-and mine, you know, were on the table. -Right.
But what could not happen is a continuance
of a friendly adversarial relationship.
And that's what I had been working with for years,
for two decades before she came in.
Now, mind you, I started the job at the White House
when she was in high school in Arkansas, okay?
So that's saying a lot. I'm older than she is,
and the lack of respect
for someone who understands Washington
is evident in that briefing room.
But anyway, so, she said to me one day
after the piegate thing that I really started as a joke--
-it was just a joke. -Right.
And I didn't realize the influence I had
on social media, and I... and it just blew up.
And she said, "Where did we go wrong?"
And I said, "Let's do dinner." We said, "Let's do dinner."
She's like, "Yes, great."
And I thought that was a great moment.
But the reason why we could never move past
all of this animosity
is because she's playing to her boss,
the president of the United States of America,
who clearly tells her he does not like me,
who clearly says things,
-you know, "Treat her this way." -Wow.
But, you know, this is not the...
the traditional political game of politics,
the "whereas, thus, thus thou art."
-Right. -You know, "therefores."
This is a street gutter game.
Street peep street.
Damn.
(laughter)
Damn.
Thank you so much for being on the show.
-Thank you, Trevor. -Happy birthday.
Thank you, Trevor.
Under Fire. Fascinating. Blunt.
April Ryan.
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